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November 4, 2009

Open Thread

Posted by Van Helsing at November 4, 2009 6:46 AM

Compliments of Byron.


It's funny... because it's true.

Posted by: Paul H at November 4, 2009 7:08 AM


Posted by: Mats at November 4, 2009 7:16 AM

Posted by: nancz at November 4, 2009 7:29 AM

Push harder!
Hey kids,
looks like we wont have wait till,,,,

Posted by: czuch at November 4, 2009 7:31 AM

Elections are racist, apparently. LOL

Posted by: SK at November 4, 2009 7:34 AM

New York 23....hello Conservatives? New York 23!!

The Republicans have held that district for quite some time haven't they? Oooops!

Posted by: Anonymous at November 4, 2009 7:43 AM

New york 23. An unknown candidate enters the election late, as a third party. The rino drops out 2 days before the election and still grabs 5% of the vote. The democrunt then wins by about 2%. This is supposed to show us what?

What the dems should be afraid of is the margins of victory in VA and NJ. I remember when the libturds were crowing that a 3% margin of victory was a mandate. What does a 17% margin of loss mean? A mandate for the other side?

Must suck to be on the losing side with a real loser shitstain as prez.

Posted by: Stephana at November 4, 2009 8:04 AM

Here's what Rush was still saying on his website this morning before it was clear that Hoffman had lost:

"(Democrats) want Republicans to stay moderate squishy because they know that's when Republicans lose.  So it was going exactly as the White House had hoped.  She was gonna lose.  But then up stepped this guy, this little accountant, Doug Hoffman, a conservative, and in stepped groups like the Club for Growth, conservative talk radio stepped in there, the tea party activists, citizens from across the country, the blogosphere.  Erick Erickson at has been all over this since it began.  And eventually some Republican politicians were forced to get in on this at the tail end and endorse Hoffman because of this wave of support that had blossomed for him.

This is where conservative Americans are drawing the line.  New York-23.  This is where we are fighting, this is where we will take a stand against both the liberal wing of the Republican Party and Obama and the Democrat Party....And should Hoffman win, as I think he will, his campaign is gonna give confidence and energy to scores of others across this country where momentum will grow right up to next year's election.  So that's the truth of New York-23."

Uh-huh. And guess what Rush. You lost. Conservatives lost. Needless to say, a delightful Rush spin is sure to follow.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 4, 2009 8:14 AM

Hey anonopussy, what about the governors. sure looks like you lost. See above post.

Posted by: Stephana at November 4, 2009 8:20 AM

You mean like the shameful spin already coming from a defeated White House over the solid losses of two key governorships?

A two point loss means nothing, especially with all the votes that went to the RINO anyway. Hoffman's loss is easily attributable to uninformed voters who didn't know about the controversy, voters who voted straight-R without realizing they need to make individual votes to include Hoffman, and ACORN absentee ballot fraud.

The Demonrat might have taken the house, but conservatism won the referendum.

Posted by: Anonymous Countermoonbat at November 4, 2009 8:20 AM

"This is supposed to show us what?", ummm...don't split your vote with such hatred. You gave up that seat for the first time in 100 years. It was also a repudiation of Pawlenty,Palin,teabaggers and others in the GOP who ran Scozzafava out. I will admit, I was fairly excited for Hoffman to win just to bring the crazies out,and watch you marginalize yourselves even more. Who's next on the "teabag" hit list? Crist?

Posted by: Anonymous at November 4, 2009 8:21 AM

The must-click link of the day:
11 new videos of schoolkids praising Obama
Trust me, you want to click this one.

Posted by: mega at November 4, 2009 8:28 AM

hey Anon, rather than get goaded into arguing about whether some district in upstate NY that just had a messy, convoluted election ranks up there with NJ and VA going Republican, I am simply going to point out that the real outcome of all of this is that ObamaCare has now gone from a 3 % chance of falling apart to around 40 %. Them Blue Dogs sitting in Republican districts hoping for long political careers had their eyes on Virginia last night. They saw that Obama's personal cult status has no sway for them. They saw purplish voters go full red in a revolt against Big Government. All that is needed is exactly ONE senator or another handful of house members to put Obamacare to sleep forever. That is what counts. If you want to prattle about NY23 feel free - it was meaningless. If anything, it was a nice low-cost way for real conservatives to fire a round over the bow of the Republican party and let them know we're out here, at little if any practical cost.

Posted by: mega at November 4, 2009 8:32 AM

Ah, yes, the childish "teabagger" epithet again. If we're "teabaggers", that makes anonypussy and his lefty friends the "teabag-ees"...

Open wide, anonymous... your friends in VA and NJ did...

Posted by: hiram at November 4, 2009 8:32 AM

Because, of course, we certainly do NOT want to talk about the implications of NY 23.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 4, 2009 8:32 AM

lets see, on the ballot a democrat, a republican(withdrawn but still on ballot), an independent.
so you have a democrat & an independent running & the the democrat wins by 2%

Now the democrat party & their ILK claim this is a major victory????

if this is the best they can do..........

Posted by: blue at November 4, 2009 8:48 AM

I love to read right wing spin in the morning. It sounds like...Victory!

Posted by: Anonymous at November 4, 2009 8:51 AM

Too bad for OBAMA but his arsnic pill is just too risky to take their just too poisonus and dangerous

Posted by: SPURWING PLOVER at November 4, 2009 8:58 AM

Funny how the Democrat "won" in the only race Obama didn't campaign in.

If all the left can crow about this morning is winning a seat where the opposition vote was split, it was overall a good night. Did you see what happened down-ticket in the ultra-blue state of New Jersey?

Republicans picked up one State Assembly seat, won control of the Monmouth County Board of Freeholders, and won Freeholder seats in Bergen, Passaic, and Cumberland counties.
Christie won in usually Democratic counties like Middlesex and Gloucester.

You know it had to be bad when MSDNC suspends election coverage at 10 PM.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 4, 2009 9:07 AM

It isn't spin. It's just the way it is. If ObamaCare fails, the entire Obama administration fails. he's staked nearly all of his political capital and credibility on health care reform. If they can't drive it through the house and Senate, he will be Carterized in full. Last night was not a mortal blow for Obamacare, but it was very, very, very damaging. Thus, this election has vast implications for Obama and his revolution, and there is no question that the results benefit conservatives and harm progressives deeply. That's the underlying strategic meaning of it all; the rest is just tactics, yelling, and positioning, all pretty much worth nothing.

Posted by: mega at November 4, 2009 9:09 AM

NY-23 is another good reason to implement runoff voting.

Remind me, again, why any candidate should be allowed to take office with less than 50% of the vote? A plurality of votes, as opposed to a majority, simply means that more people selected that name than any other name - it does not mean that candidate is the most favored among the people.

Third parties are not viable and will continue to regularly lose and split votes from the other party they most closely resemble as long as current election systems allow a non-majority candidate to take office.

Suppose that two independent conservatives run against a Democrat in a strongly conservative district. If each conservative gets 30% of the vote, the Democrat will get 40%. Does this mean that the people of that district preferred the Democrat?

Our nation is based on the idea that political power comes from the consent of the governed. Without a clear majority, how can a candidate claim clear consent?

Posted by: Anonymous Countermoonbat at November 4, 2009 9:10 AM

MSDNC had to suspend coverage at 10, since it was Olberdouche who was on deck. They could not stand the thought of all of the FCC fines if they turned him loose. Oh the hilarity of it all!

Posted by: Stephana at November 4, 2009 9:12 AM

Both Va. and NJ went democratic into Bush's first term, so was that a repudiation of Bush? Historically Va. always goes in the opposite direction of the party in power. This was no surprise. You also have to look at the firepower the far right put behind Hoffman. Hannity, Beck, Palin, Limbaugh, Steele, Boehner, and Pawlenty. What does this tell you? We may never know if the 5-6% of voters who voted for Scozzafava were confused, undecided, uninformed, or did not want either. You have to remember, most voters get angry with republicans for they are doing, and democrats for what they are not doing. Going bs crazy is something you guys are doing.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 4, 2009 9:19 AM

stephana, does "special coverage" mean anything to you? It was an election day. douche!

Posted by: Anonymous at November 4, 2009 9:21 AM

Hey annonopussy, remember the Olberdouche special election coverage from years gone by.

Posted by: Stephana at November 4, 2009 9:24 AM

Global Warming hysteria is now officially a religion in the UK. Not in a "look at the crazy moonbats" sense, but in an actual, legal sense, as in it now has the status of a religion.

Posted by: mega at November 4, 2009 9:26 AM

This pill is not meant to be swallowed, as with all Dr. B's scripts it is meant to be taken rectally. After the taxes go up enough it will actually fit.

Posted by: Frank W. at November 4, 2009 9:50 AM

Anonymous (who is probably Lao) is wrong that the seat has been "Republican for 100" years. In fact, that that area has flipped many times in the last 100 years, as recently as 1993, it was Democrat district.

Beware of trolls with Daily Kos talking points.

Posted by: V the K at November 4, 2009 10:38 AM

One year ago today, a majority of American voters, with their brains soaked in Kool-Aid, placed into the White House an inexpericed "community organizer" who campaigned on the promises of "hope and change" with close friends (translation: just a guy in the neighborhood) who are admitted Marxists, domestic terrorists, hate-filled ministers, and assorted other loonies. Said organizer has a total dork for a vice president who makes Walter Mondale look like a rocket surgeon, and cabinet members and czars with criminal tendencies (not paying taxes for example). Other friends responsible for getting him to the White House include, MSNBC, CNN, the alphabet network, the eye network and the peacock network along with a host of slick PR literature disguised as "news magazines" and "news" papers. For some voters, the adoration continues, others see the folly of their ways. Said community organizer plays golf when the going gets tough instead of meeting with military leaders, (who has time for that?). The nation'e economy continues to tailspin and the American governmnet is part owner of General Motors and Chrysler, like it or not. Banks continue to fail and close, and home foreclosures on pace for record levels in some states. Detroit is becoming a vast wasteland, with record low home prices, just for the sake of getting them sold. This is just a small sample of what "hope and change" have brought about since January 20, 2009. Oh, then there's government run health care that has been a total failure in other countries that is being shoved down our throats and the cap and trade bill passed by the House of Reps. Time will tell what will happen to it in the Senate. If it passes, energy costs will soar. By the way the House and Senate are controlled by the Dems. In Minnesota, they have a washed up talentless hack of a comedian who is now in Washington D.C.. Voter fraud courtesy of ACORN who has strong ties with this community organizer and intimidation from the Black Panthers existed at some voting polling places. Whouwouldofthunkit? For those who did vote for him, one question: How's that "hope and change" workin' out for ya?

Posted by: Graycat at November 4, 2009 10:43 AM

Posted on another thread: please, please Mr. Soetoro, come campaign for Boxer next year. We're desperate to get rid of the stupid bitch, and your support is obviously the kiss of death.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 4, 2009 11:37 AM

Just a small note from NY23. We had countless of the tiny local elections, and I just perused the results. A ton of R's and Cons's. Very few D's. Working Families Party ACORN trounced in every instance.

Idiot Lao thinks that Owens had a landslide.

Posted by: Karin at November 4, 2009 11:38 AM

Both Va. and NJ went democratic into Bush's first term, so was that a repudiation of Bush?


Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 4, 2009 12:07 PM

Today is also another anniversary--thirty years ago today, 66 American hostages were seized by militant students and held captive at the American embassy in Tehran. Then President Jimmuh Cahtah, acted much like President Post turtle is now acting toward the American military and war in Afghnistan, with snide indifference. Cahtah acted like a deer in the headlights, and fumbled around. There was a tragic rescue attempt in the spring of 1980 that took American lives that basically became Cahtah's very own "Bay of Pigs." After 444 days of captivity, on January 20, 1981 the American hostages were released shortly after a true patriot, Ronald Reagan took his first presidential oath of office.

For some reason on today's home page of Google, Big Bird's legs are forming two "l"s. According to Wikipedia, Sesame Street premiered on November 10, 1969, not November 4, 1969. So, once again, no solemn tribute whatsoever sigifying an important, yet somber day in American history, from the moonbats who run google. They ignored D-Day, and will probably ignore Veteran's day next week on the 11th. What a surprise.

Posted by: Graycat at November 4, 2009 12:14 PM

Posted by: Anonymous Countermoonbat at November 4, 2009 9:10 AM

I agree with you. Time for a runoff system.

While we're at it, I'd like to see every state pass laws putting the kibosh on open primaries. My logic tells me that the entire point of a primary is for a party's faithful to decide who will carry the banner, not for voters from the other side to come running over and throw sand in the gears. As likely happened with McCain - that's probably why we got him last year.

Posted by: Cylar at November 4, 2009 12:50 PM

Amen on both counts, Cylar.

Posted by: Karin at November 4, 2009 1:12 PM

Traditional marriage now 31-0

Voters in Maine have rejected an effort by lawmakers there to impose homosexual "marriage" in that state. Same-sex marriage has now lost in every single state -- 31 in all -- in which it has been put to a popular vote.


Analyzing GOP gubernatorial victories in VA, NJ

Republican candidates for the governors' seats in both Virginia and New Jersey emerged victorious Tuesday night, handily defeating opponents in states that just one year earlier went overwhelmingly for Barack Obama and the Democrats. GOP sweep: Big victories in Virginia, NJ (Associated Press)


Perspective: Who are you calling 'extremist'? - Michelle Malkin

The clear message of Tuesday's elections? Conservatives in America will no longer let their opponents define them as outside of the mainstream.

Posted by: SK at November 4, 2009 2:26 PM

Here Are A Few More Little Nasties In Pelosi's H.R. 3962.

We're not finished. It would be impossible to mention every egregious provision in Pelosi's 1,990 page bill, but here are a few more notables... just in case your blood isn't already boiling.

Page 110 - Section 222(e) requires the use of federal dollars to fund abortions through the government-run health plan--and, if the Hyde Amendment were ever not renewed, would require the plan to fund elective abortions.

Page 313 - Section 512 imposes an 8 percent "tax on jobs" for firms that cannot afford to purchase "bureaucrat-approved" health coverage; according to an analysis by Harvard Professor Kate Baicker, such a tax would place millions "at substantial risk of unemployment"--with minority workers losing their jobs at twice the rate of their white counterparts.

Page 336 - Section 551 imposes additional job-killing taxes, in the form of a half-trillion dollar "surcharge," more than half of which will hit small businesses; according to a model developed by President Obama's senior economic advisor, such taxes could cost up to 5.5 million jobs.

Page 520 - Section 1161 cuts more than 150 billion [dollars] from Medicare Advantage plans, potentially jeopardizing millions of seniors' existing coverage.

Page 733 - Section 1401 establishes a new Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research; the bill includes no provisions preventing the government-run health plan from using such research to deny access to life-saving treatments on cost grounds, similar to Britain's National Health Service, which denies patient treatments costing more than 35,000 [pounds].

And last, but certainly not least:

Page 1174 - Section 1802(b) includes provisions entitled 'Taxes On Certain Insurance Policies' to fund comparative effectiveness research, breaking Speaker Pelosi's promise that 'We will not be taxing [health] benefits in any bill that passes the House,' and the President's promise not to raise taxes on families with incomes under 250,000 [dollars].

Posted by: SK at November 4, 2009 2:33 PM

"The clear message of Tuesday's elections? Conservatives in America will no longer let their opponents define them as outside of the mainstream."

Even when every conservative media and political heavyweight comes out on the side of the conservative candidate in a Republican district and he STILL loses.

Posted by: Lao at November 4, 2009 2:48 PM

I would scarcely call New York a Republican district. It's been years since a Republican president picked up that state. Two tips for trolling:
1. Do it on one of your weed-smoking hippie sites
2. Try to make sense. Trolls don't seem to understand that.

Posted by: Some Guy at November 4, 2009 3:07 PM

Some Guy, please tell us all. When was the last time a Democrat held NY 23?

See if you can make sense of that question.

Posted by: Lao at November 4, 2009 3:11 PM

About the last time Democrats were still loyal Americans, I'll wager.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 4, 2009 3:21 PM

Ah, it's a great day to be an American. Not such a good day to be a liberal, and an even worse day to be a Muslim terrorist. Yogi and Booboo 1, Mohammed and Achmed 0.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 4, 2009 3:25 PM

I'll be back later. I am going to fap to Obama in his bathing suit pic for awhile.


Posted by: Lao at November 4, 2009 3:27 PM

The reason Owens won was because "Republican" candidate Scozzafava, who withdrew, still pulled 5.5% of the vote. Had this vote been consolidated around the one, true Republican candidate, Hoffman would have won. This is what happens when a few folks get together to choose a nominee. Have a full-blown primary, and let the voters decide. Had this occurred, Hoffman would soon be a congressman.

The loss also shows that the two major parties still lead in the organization department. Had Hoffman been the Republican nominee, he would have had the resources and organizational infrastructure of the party. Owens had the unions and ACORN backing him up. The Republican machine came in too late, and Hoffman was done.

The race does show that Republican voters have a set standard as to what they think a "Republican" candidate should represent. Scozzafava was not that candidate. In addition, the national party should still receive the same message regardless of whether Hoffman won or lost. He pulled enough votes combined with the Republican to have won. The message is that Republicans want and need conservatives as their candidates. When a solid conservative message is presented, Republicans win. Just look at New Jersey and Virginia. Great job!



Crow about your tiny 'victory' all you like. While we relish our ACTUAL victories and ill omens they hold for the Democrats in 2010, you may continue on stamping your feet and pretend that your Marxist Messiah's 'mandate' and your fellow Dhimmicrats won big last night.

We are enjoying the fact that our triumphs last night are the cause of such pathetic wailing & gnashing of teeth among you and other petulant trolls.

This is is just a taste of the comeuppance you Marxist fools have coming.

Posted by: SK at November 4, 2009 3:36 PM

Oh, and I forgot. A little piece of advice, Louse:
Stop being such a f@cking pussy-wimp crybaby.

Posted by: SK at November 4, 2009 3:38 PM

Hey Corzine and Deeds, when you get to "has been Heaven" tell Van Jones we said, "Hey."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 4, 2009 3:38 PM

Pregnant Decisions and Personal Reflections

. . . Let’s say you’re a woman who abandoned discretion, or a young girl who got carried away one steamy night with that month’s true love, or a college kid who conferred more benefits on her friend than either of you anticipated and as a result you got pregnant.

Where do you go? What do you do?

Ghostbusters are not an option since you haven’t conceived some phantom but a precious human child.

And, let’s say you have an innate antipathy toward the thought of murdering a sentient being who, by no choice of his or her own, happens to be comfortably nestled within your body.

What do you do?

Well, there’s always the latest craze, the “morning after” pill. Also termed “Plan B” or “Emergency Contraception,” it’s relatively inexpensive but must be prescribed by a doctor if you’re under 17.

However, Plan B is actually a two-step abortafacient, that is, an abortion remedy which will kill the tiny product of your indiscretion, your baby, and may cause severe short- and long-term emotional and physical repercussions.

Then there’s the more traditional method of killing your baby, . . .

(Read the rest at

Posted by: Berlet98 at November 4, 2009 3:45 PM

Owens won 50 to 45. You presume the 5% of votes that Scozzafava took would have all gone to Hoffman in a two person race.

A false assumption, given her politics.

Posted by: Lao at November 4, 2009 3:56 PM

And again, you can keep on pretending that the serious beating the Democrats were handed last night was any less than a shot across the bow of the Marxists (and RINO's) infesting Washington and the country at large, you're dreaming. :)

Stamp your feet some more. Your fractious behavior is so enjoyable!

Posted by: SK at November 4, 2009 4:02 PM

Posted by: Lao at November 4, 2009 3:56 PM

You are a dumbass. The dems spent millions trying to smear Hoffman and yet the dems one buys such a slim margin. What does that tell you, Laosy? Face it slick you guys are in deep shit and you know. The fear in your post tells all. You still are harping on something that is insignificant which says that you are a chickenshit. Look at the big picture or are you to afraid?

Posted by: Dave at November 4, 2009 4:07 PM

Dip shit libs are in denial and panic mode now. We told you so, idiots.

Posted by: Dave at November 4, 2009 4:09 PM

Comrade, no one gives a shit about the NY election. One lousy Congressman out of 435 (IIRC) - woohoo! And his term will run...11 months before he has to run for re-election. Double woohoo!

Meanwhile, two more governors - out of 50 - will now be pro-American. I'll take that trade every time.

C'mon, 2010...we've got a lot of housecleaning to do. Then in 2012...adios, President ACORN.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 4, 2009 4:22 PM

audentis fortuna iuvat

Gateway Pundit has some interesting video up of an Iranian protest where the protesters explicitly appear to be chanting "Obama, Obama, Are you with the regime or with us?"

The answer to that question is of course obvious to Americans. Interesting, because they're explicitly mentioning Obama, not "America" or "USA". I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this distinction is probably significant, and they understand that most Americans are pretty supportive of their desire to ditch the Mullocracy and the bad crazy leadership...Obama? well, not so much. He's stiff armed them once already, and seems perfectly willing to allow the regime to strengthen its hand even more with nuclear weapons.

My recommendation to the Iranian people would be to sit tight for another 3 years if they'd like any American help. Indeed, fortune does favor the bold, but the Obama administration isn't going to help you or even give you luke warm lip service, and may even actively work to hurt you if you get too bold. Hopes for Change placed on president "present" will go unrewarded. If you think you can pull this off on your own, then go for it. We'll be with you for moral support, and gladly post vids and descriptions of the effort for the world to see. But don't get unrealistic and overestimate your power and wind up crushed. That would suck for everyone (except Obama of course).

Posted by: SK at November 4, 2009 4:45 PM

SK says "But don't get unrealistic and overestimate your power and wind up crushed."

Good advice.

Posted by: Lao at November 4, 2009 4:54 PM

Yes, that was my advice to you and your fellow Marxists.

I am glad you have found wisdom in it and are now taking it to heart.

You're welcome. :)

Posted by: SK at November 4, 2009 5:19 PM

Oh, here is audio of Laos proving how totally not upset he and his butt buddies on the Left Wing are over the proverbial bitch slap the voters gave the Democrats last night.

Posted by: SK at November 4, 2009 5:34 PM

Posted by: SK at November 4, 2009 5:52 PM

You guys realize democrats had 8 victories to your 2 for republicans, right? You lost two congressional seats that were winnable.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 4, 2009 6:30 PM

You guys realize democrats had 8 victories to your 2 for republicans, right?

My nominee for stupidest comment of the month. Even in the liberal division.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 4, 2009 6:48 PM

Election '09: Change I can believe in! - Ann Coulter


Not only do conservatives not pick insane fights – such as staging a 2006 primary fight against a recent vice presidential candidate because he supported the war in Iraq – but conservatives are more popular than Republicans.

By contrast, liberals are less popular than Democrats. When conservatives take control of the Republican Party, Republicans win. When liberals take control of the Democratic Party, Democrats end up out of power for eight to 12 years.

Posted by: SK at November 4, 2009 7:00 PM

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