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October 6, 2009

Open Thread

Posted by Van Helsing at October 6, 2009 7:43 AM

obama-coin.jpg
Compliments of Sal.

Comments

Perfect!

Posted by: Paul H at October 6, 2009 7:48 AM


No sense

Posted by: CT at October 6, 2009 8:10 AM


I thought he was at least worth two bits.

Posted by: GregZ at October 6, 2009 8:12 AM


2008????

Posted by: blue at October 6, 2009 8:15 AM


Question: I'm confused. If the government is conspiring with capitalists on wall street how can Obama be a socialist? Or are you saying Chris Dodd, a Democrat is a socialist for getting a sweet heart mortgage from the capitalist head of Countrywide? So actually all the banks that bailouts are socialist front organizations?

Explain.

Posted by: gus burlimah at October 6, 2009 8:18 AM


The government is not conspiring with capitalists. Business leaders who engage in cronyistic rent seeking behavior are NOT capitalists. Capitalism is an economic system based upon free, private control of the means of production.

When the means of production becomes cooperation from government cronies, or bailouts funded by the public, that is NOT capitalism.

Those who engage in cronyism with government are socialists. In their case, the means of production is the ability to curry favor with heavy handed bureaucrats and crooked politicians, without whose help production will not be possible. Government consent to commerce, when it becomes corrupt, discretionary, and cronyistic, is every bit as important to production as equipment or employees.

Therefore, the cronyists who hold favor with the Obama administration are de facto delegees of government power. Once you accept the fact that business is only possible with the discretionary consent of the government, then those who are delegated that "power" to engage in business are little different than government employees with performance bonuses and stock options.

Posted by: Anonymous Countermoonbat at October 6, 2009 8:24 AM


A three-dollar bill would be more appropriate.

  • "Crooked as a three-dollar bill"
  • "Queer as a three-dollar bill"

Maybe Louisville Slugger can start making football bats with the kenyan's name on them, too.

Posted by: MikeO at October 6, 2009 8:28 AM


Shouldn't that have an "S" mint mark for the San Fransisco Mint?

Posted by: TonyD95B at October 6, 2009 8:33 AM


Providing theres no penny candy anymore that penny isnt worth dropping in a wishing well

Posted by: SPURWING PLOVER at October 6, 2009 8:40 AM


Wonder which coin THIS
will go on!?

Posted by: TED at October 6, 2009 8:54 AM


Shouldn't that have an "S" mint mark for the San Fransisco Mint?

Posted by: TonyD95B at October 6, 2009 8:33 AM

C for chicago

Posted by: funkendunkel at October 6, 2009 9:01 AM


SCRUBBED: NY Times Scrubs Their Olympic FAIL Article (Hat tip: American Thinker.)

On AT, a commenter has this to say:

The media is more like Pravda and Izvestia every day, with factual news of note being scrubbed out, and photos being altered, now an easy task with Photoshop...

No, it's worse than Pravda and Izvestia. At least those Soviet propaganda outlets could say in their defense that they feared the gulags; the Marxstream Media of the U.S.A. are acting entirely of their volition, no fear of the authorities involved. Willing slaves, versus the Soviet Union's cooperators under duress.

Posted by: Conservigilant at October 6, 2009 9:02 AM


Anonymous, I like your reasoning but it makes it hard to turn this issue into a political right/left discussion since there has been no time in history where government and business didn't 'conspire' in some way to scratch each other's back. I think you assume politicians have all the power and businessmen have none. Businessmen have money to donate to politician's. To follow your definition to it's logical conclusion would mean that all lobbyists are socialists as are their clients.

Posted by: gus burlimah at October 6, 2009 9:06 AM


Wonder which coin THIS
will go on!?

Posted by: TED at October 6, 2009 8:54 AM

OMG, is that photochopped or is that real. That is to funny, or scarey.

Posted by: funkendunkel at October 6, 2009 9:07 AM


Posted by: mega at October 6, 2009 9:32 AM


Shouldn't that have an "S" mint mark for the San Fransisco Mint?

Posted by: TonyD95B at October 6, 2009 8:33 AM


C for chicago


You got it funkeldunkel..2008 was the year he was elected

Posted by: Sal at October 6, 2009 9:37 AM


If the government is conspiring with capitalists on wall street how can Obama be a socialist? Or are you saying Chris Dodd, a Democrat is a socialist for getting a sweet heart mortgage from the capitalist head of Countrywide? So actually all the banks that bailouts are socialist front organizations?

Yes. It's crony capitalism at best: government-big business working hand in glove to achieve state power over individuals. Kinda like Schicklgruber working hand in glove with Krupp and I.G. Farben. It's called national socialism (which doesn't necessarily include any racial crap; that was Hitler's addition). National socialism – socialism across all classes within one country - was invented by Mussolini as an alternative to international socialism (i.e., Marxist/Leninist socialism), socialism within the working class across all countries when he saw during WWI that nationalism bound people together better than class solidarity. Note that Mussolini's national socialism didn't have any more racial crap than...well...black leaders in the U.S. today.

So your argument fails on the merits.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 6, 2009 10:05 AM


mega [9:32], that is very, very disturbing. This should be on the front page of every newspaper. Imagine if this was the Bush administration doing this. The Left would jumping up and down all over the country.

No elected official of the United States government has the authority to make treaty or agreement that signs away our constitutional rights. They cannot change or void any part of the constitution except by amendment. Any President that attempts such a thing should be held accountable for breaking the Oath of Office.

Posted by: Kevin R. at October 6, 2009 10:06 AM


Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 6, 2009 10:13 AM


Sorry, that should have read: Naked Emperor News. PIMF.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 6, 2009 10:15 AM


You wonder why leftists sometimes defend "obviously guilty" people?

Sometimes racist cops shoot the wrong guy and conspire to cover it up. These ones failed to spot that they were being recorded.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/09/23/Family_Says_911_Tape_Caught_Cops_Planning_Cover-Up_After_Shooting.htm?=protectandserve

Posted by: hey you guys at October 6, 2009 10:30 AM


Gus, I agree with you that Big Business often has to conspire with crooked politicians in order to survive. If one of these big businesses decides to take a stand and do what is right, they are unable to compete with other businesses that sell out and embrace cronyism in big government.

That is not an indictment of the capitalist ideology. Capitalism works, and the best way to preserve the capitalist system and ensure maximum economic prosperity is to limit the role of government so that no firm can gain an edge by selling out and engaging in corrupt behavior.

One of the cornerstones of a free market system is that each business will succeed or fail on its own merits, not its ability to hire lobbyists to change policy and beat the competition through crooked dealings.

Neither business nor government holds power over the other in such a system. Corruption is a quid pro quo endeavor. Corrupt rent seeking businesses use their ill gotten gains to hire lobbyists and buy off politicians who exercise their power in a way favorable to their patrons. Both parties to this exchange hold power over the other. By aligning their interests, the power of each works to the benefit of the other, and the detriment of all of the rest of us who wish to have fair dealings.

Breaking the cycle requires eliminating either business or Big Government. We need business to provide the economic prosperity we depend on. The only solution is to implement limited government, so that no business has the opportunity to succeed on corruption instead of merit.

Limiting government also stops non-business entities from manipulating the system for their own gain. Doing this stops corruption in unions, special interests, and other lobbies.

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Our Founding Fathers understood this, which is why our Constitution was written to stop Big Government from accumulating absolute power. When small government grows big, it will be corrupted - it always has, and it always will. The only variable is the specific flavor of corruption engaged in by those holding power. When the ruling party changes, the flavor of corruption changes. The only constant is that Big Government will always be abused to further corrupt goals.

The only way to stop corruption is to return to the intent of the Constitution, and limit government to its Constitutional role, while simultaneously preferring local government over central government for those functions where government is necessary. In essence, the best government is the government which governs least, and exercises its power at the most local level possible for each necessary function.

Posted by: Anonymous Countermoonbat at October 6, 2009 10:33 AM


Shouldn't this be made out of aluminum?

Posted by: Dan at October 6, 2009 10:35 AM


In typical moonbat style, it should be made out of renewable hemp fiber. All metallic elements require that Gaia be raped by businesses attempting to oppress her by mining the minerals needed for modern civilization.

Posted by: Anonymous Countermoonbat at October 6, 2009 10:40 AM


It needs a cigarette hanging from the corner of his mouth with an ash about to fall. I think some half burned abandoned buildings with broken windows in the background would also fit or maybe just a pile of burning books. But I guess those images would be better topics for a painting--this coin is perfect.

Posted by: SnowSnake at October 6, 2009 10:42 AM


I need a roll of those.
Mint proof set?
We can do a whole line of New money.
Call em bamas instead of dollars.

Posted by: czuch at October 6, 2009 11:01 AM


Sounds like the common thread is big. This is why political labels fail. This is about powerful organizations vs. the individual citizen. There is a case before the supreme court right now where what is being debated is whether big business and big labor has the same fifth amendment rights as an individual citizen. Courts have already previously upheld that corporations are essentially 'people'. So Exxon or the UAW can spend as much money influencing political campaigns as they want because money has been found to be a form of "speech". That is not a left/right issue. It's a power issue. We let these organizations divide us among ourselves and media companies make money broadcasting talk shows that survive on the anger and confusion of the average citizen. Now no one will listen to news that comes from a source they deem 'liberal' or 'conservative'. I could imagine a day where people refuse to believe a hurricane was coming if it reported by the New York Times. I say anything that helps level the playing field be tween the powerful and the average citizen is not conservative or liberal, just common sense. Instead we get silly pictures of Obama on a coin.

Posted by: gus burlimah at October 6, 2009 11:27 AM


By the time Obambi is done, we will all be lucky to have two pennies to rub together.

SnowSnake: The burned, abadoned buildings are on the reverse side of the coin.

That reminds me, check out the cover photo of Slime magazine dated Oct. 5. It shows abandoned buldings with broken out windows. The photo was taken in Detroit. Now compare that photo with the Sports Illustrated Sept. 28 cover photo. It's a "chamber of commerce" photo of a packed to capacity Comerica Park, home to the Detroit Tigers. An outstanding photo, actually, great lighting, Detroit skyline and neat cloud formations, but the two photos show two different Detroits. The Tigers are in the playoffs. Detroit's unemployment rate hovers around 23 percent. But who cares? The Tigers are in the playoffs!

Posted by: Graycat at October 6, 2009 11:34 AM


Shouldn't this be made out of aluminum?

Posted by: Dan at October 6, 2009 10:35 AM

Tin.

Posted by: Tom at October 6, 2009 11:35 AM


gus, it's just a decoration for the open thread. Don't take it ALL so seriously.

Posted by: Karin at October 6, 2009 12:07 PM


Ears are waaay too small. Chocolate coin, right?

Posted by: Uncle Tom at October 6, 2009 12:20 PM


"Ears are waaay too small. Chocolate coin, right?"

And you wonder why conservatives get accused of racism?

Sorry for being too serious but all this ridiculous name calling and race baiting is just playing into the hands of the left.

Let's just assume the "Birther's" are right. What's the end game people? Obama resigns and the president is who? Biden. That's a cause worth fighting for.

Liberals spent all their time hating Bush while the Gucci-wearing lobbyists and their congressional patsys were bankrupting the country.

Very hard to convince the half of the country that voted for Obama of your point of view when you engage in this kind of adolescent name calling. Libtards, Nazis, Moonbats. Kind of ends the conversation pretty quickly. You've got a lot of serious, intelligent people to win over. I recommend you start acting like grown-ups.

Thanks for your time.

Posted by: gus burlimah at October 6, 2009 12:55 PM


And you wonder why conservatives get accused of racism?

Marxist troll.

What? What's that you're saying? Ah, you're brandishing your right-wing credentials, with a mortified tone and expression that such an accusation as mine could be leveled at you.

Look, pardner, I don't really care about your credentials. If authentic, then they are the mementos of a worthy past, which is nice; but in the here and now, of late 2009 with the American Right fighting to get the Hammer-and-Sickle of Damocles away from over America's head, there's one thing you should know:

A true right-winger doesn't utilize the vocabulary of the Left against other right-wingers. A true right-winger doesn't score own goals.

Which means, practically speaking: A true right-winger excises the word, "racism," and all its permutations, out of his or her vocabulary.

In addition, a true right-winger isn't so naive as to believe that

...all this ridiculous name calling and race baiting is just playing into the hands of the left.

Instead, he or she recognizes that the Race Card is something the Marxists pull out day after day, not because the Right is racist (here's a fact that's getting lost in the memory hole: MLK was a Republican) but because the Left just can't win on the evidence, reason and logic front.

Consequently, the true right-winger ignores the Race Card entirely, letting it becoming obsolete through over-use--something it's high time it got. Much less does the true right-winger use the Race Card against a fellow right-winger.

OK, you may not be a Marxist. Then you're a RINO, which is just as bad (who are Obama's enablers in Congress? RINOs, that's who). Either you do a Specter and go the whole Dem hog, or you leave all accusations of "race-baiting" against right-wingers and become a true patriot.

You've got a lot of serious, intelligent people to win over.

No, all we need is to wean people off the Kool-Aid. Only temporary insanity can explain how such a lot of serious, intelligent people put a Marxist in the White House at all.

I recommend you start acting like grown-ups.

On third thought, maybe you are a Marxist troll after all.

Posted by: Conservigilant at October 6, 2009 1:20 PM


I get your point Gus, but we don't have to "win" anybody over.

It will become very clear very soon what the progressives, liberals, Democrats (you name them, Gus) have done to this country.

When the Mayor of New Orleans called it "Chocolate Town" that was OK? You can't have it both ways son.

Posted by: Sylvia at October 6, 2009 1:25 PM


Posted by: Tom at October 6, 2009 11:35 AM

Wood.

Posted by: Dave at October 6, 2009 1:44 PM


Congressional leaders fight against posting bills online

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Congressional-leaders-fight-against-posting-bills-online-8340658-63557217.html

Transparency.

Posted by: J at October 6, 2009 1:49 PM


You've got a lot of serious, intelligent people to win over.


Posted by: gus burlimah at October 6, 2009 12:55 PM

Unfortunately you are not one of them.

Posted by: funkendunkel at October 6, 2009 1:58 PM


Who Really Brought Down Freddie and Fannie?

The “Bush Did It” mantra employed over and over by Obama, his henchmen, henchwomen, and media apologists to defend the administration’s screw-ups and ineptitude got old long ago yet they continue to beat its rotting corpse.

One early favorite ploy was to hang the albatross of the economic near-collapse on that mantra, a near-collapse prevented only by the superhuman efforts and expertise of Treasury Secretary Timmy Geithner and grand poobah of the National Economic Council Larry Summers.

The rest of the Obama economic dream team and, of course, the Democratic Party, did their bits to help give us a 9.8% unemployment rate, bailouts, clunkers, and an astronomical national debt.

Way to go, guys!

Little if any effort has been made to officially ascertain the root causes of the fiscal chaos which started with Lehman Bros., Freddie Mac, and Fannie Mae.

ACORN’s filthy hands in pressuring America’s lending institutions to grant sub-prime mortgages, that euphemism for giving money to people to buy homes even if those people didn’t have a pot to pee in and were bound to default, was irrelevant: See “Obama’s ACORN . . .” http://bit.ly/bAXpT

Also irrelevant were Democrat Sen. Chris Dodd and Democrat Barney Frank using their influence to be awarded sweetheart mortgage bribes and massive contributions from Fred and Fan.

Then, like the mangy political dogs that they are, they covered up their dirt and exacerbated the problem, all in the name of making it easier for unqualified borrowers to borrow more: http://bit.ly/K2M2B.

Meanwhile, they blocked George “Bush Did Its’ ” efforts to clean up the huge mess Democrats had created.

Selective memories are the stock in trade of the Democratic Party but pictures and videos of congressional hearings don’t lie.

Take Democrat Rep. Maxine Waters. (Please!)

She gained national fame decades ago when she attributed Blacks’ motivations for looting stores during the Watts riots to a desire to take care of their kids. She claimed that all the looters were after were disposable diapers for their babies.

They carried loads of diapers under one arm as they struggled with VCRs and stereos under the other.

In a video from 2004, when Republicans still controlled the House and were demanding greater responsibility and more regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the always-entertaining Maxine declared there was no crisis and repeatedly praised the “outstanding leadership” of Franklin Raines.

(Incidentally, after being ousted by Fannie for incompentence, Raines found another job, as an economic advisor to Obama.)

At the same hearing:

. Democrat Rep. Gregory Meeks said he was “pissed off” at government regulators and regulations since there was absolutely no “need” for such intrusions;

. Democrat Rep. Lacy Clay declared the whole hearing centered on the “political lynching of Franklin Raines” and the non-crisis will have no effect on “the markets;”

. Democrat Rep. Artur Davis chimed in with . . .

(Read the rest at http://genelalor.com)

Posted by: Berlet98 at October 6, 2009 2:26 PM


You wonder why leftists sometimes defend "obviously guilty" people?

No, not really. Anything to undermine America is good in their books. We know that.

Sometimes racist cops shoot the wrong guy and conspire to cover it up. These ones failed to spot that they were being recorded.

And the proof is that leftists aren't defending these guys, although they're obviously guilty.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 6, 2009 3:33 PM


TED, i dont think they could fit that on a coin...

Posted by: Deeter at October 6, 2009 3:43 PM


Shouldn't he be facing left?

Posted by: TonyD95B at October 6, 2009 4:46 PM


That coin would be fine since we only put dead presidents on our money.

Posted by: Anonymous at October 6, 2009 5:32 PM


To the right of the penny we should have a silver dollar with the image of George Soros facing Obama, giving him orders.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 6, 2009 5:44 PM


Some have wondered what such a coin should be made of: aluminum? wood? or chocolate? I suggest chicken feces mixed with epoxy/resin and compressed with very high pressure into a flat sheet which can be stamped into coins. They should be fine and valued as much as the rest of our money in about a year. Just don't get them wet.

Posted by: SnowSnake at October 6, 2009 7:04 PM


The wacko eco-libs will be thrilled when we replace soft Charmin TP with worthless US paper money in the bathroom.

We're already flushing our children's future down the toilet...we might as well wipe with $1's, $5's, $10's and $20's.

Posted by: Sylvia at October 6, 2009 10:34 PM


Posted by: BURNING HOT at October 6, 2009 10:48 PM


Posted by: BURNING HOT at October 6, 2009 11:06 PM


Obama Dithers, Our Military Withers

With no military experience, no international relations experience, no executive experience, it’s no wonder our naive president is dithering over yet another campaign pledge.

It would be comical if not for the fact that particular reneging is proving deadly to our troops.

It’s not in the same category as the president’s forestalling gay demands that he fulfill his promise to end Clinton’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy for the military; Obama knows his queer constituency will hang as tough as they can hang tough until he gets around to revamping that policy.

It’s not in the same category as reneging on his pledge to close GITMO in a year, either; aside from obamaniacs, everyone knew that was impossible and no state and no other country will agree to house any appreciable number of GITMO’s reprobates.

On the other hand, Obama’s stalling on General Stanley McChrystal’s request to provide him with more boots on the ground in Afghanistan to enable him and our forces there to do their jobs amounts to nothing more or less than an execution warrant for our troops.

Obama’s self-declared “war of necessity” as opposed to the Iraqi “war of choice,” is costing America dozens of valiant solders with many more casualties to come as the president weighs his options and consults his advisors.

One such military advisor is bumbling Joe Biden, his VP, the man who has never voiced a thought that wasn’t inane, who would cut and run full speed in retreat and screw the consequences.

Precisely who Obama’s other advisors are is unclear. Could one be Bill Ayers? That old buddy and unrepentent domestic terrorist hasn’t yet graced Obama’s White House, at least through the front door.

Or maybe his former spiritual advisor, Rev. Jeremiah “God Damn America” Wright is unavailable for comment and Obama needs his guidance?

To be generous, perhaps the president is wary of introducing more troops in fear that it will be called a “surge.” That tactic was employed by Bush to help accomplish the Iraq mission and was promptly condemned by Sen. Harry Reid before it was even implemented.

It infuriated the Left with prospects of the “V-word,” as in victory. That same Left would get their knickers in a wad again if it looks like we could win the Afghan war as well.

McChrystal isn’t playing games with Afghanistan. He knows that every day Obama dithers on sending more troops means more and more troops will die: “Eight American soldiers were killed last Saturday when tribal militia stormed two combat outposts in eastern Afghanistan, the worst U.S. loss in more than a year,” http://bit.ly/10NKCh.

Defense Secretary Gates is fully on board with the idea of more troops but will a president whose only combat experience was serving as a community organizer on the mean streets of Chicago listen to Gates or to his generals?

Fully cognizant of Gen. MacArthur’s remonstrance that, “There is no substitute for victory,” McChrystal . . .

(Read the rest at http://genelalor.com)

Posted by: Berlet98 at October 6, 2009 11:27 PM


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Posted by: BURNING HOT at October 7, 2009 12:57 AM


"Thanks for your time" says Gus. No thanks needed, gus, I spent no time on you. I read nor feed trolls.

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One of our trolls here called it "absurd." With a sniff, nose in the air, and his pinky sticking out from his teacup.

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