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September 15, 2009

1M Americans Choose Liberty over Tyranny

Mark Levin's Liberty and Tyranny has sold 1,000,000 copies.

That's 70,000 copies in moonbat math.

A philosophical manifesto by a reviled conservative radio host sells 1,000,000 copies with zero support from the mainstream media, zero publicity in the mainstream media, no interviews on the Today show or Good Morning America. Jonah Goldberg's extensively researched, heavily footnoted historical treatise Liberal Fascism was also a phenomenal best-seller.

But remember, conservatism is dying, and progressive socialism is in its ascendancy.

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Congratulations, Doctor Levin

Posted by Gregory of Yardale at September 15, 2009 11:11 AM

Comments

the great one. truly the msm is now the "past-tense media".

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 11:33 AM

has probibly outsold BILL CLINTONS book MY LIES in any market

Posted by: SPURWING PLOVER at September 15, 2009 11:34 AM

Add to it this: Most of us Conservative types are a sociable bunch, and we tend to pass these books around and discuss them, so the exposure is much higher than the number of books sold.

Another trait of many Conservatives is to be "fiscally responsible"; i.e. cheap, so we buy quite a few books second-hand on Amazon and eBay.

"That's 70,000 copies in moonbat math." HA!!!

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 11:35 AM

is this the part where i remind you that 1M copies represents less than 1/3 of 1% of the US population?

OOOOOOhhhh... the fringe is still the fringe. Aren't we all proud?

Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 11:37 AM

And you note the Moonbattery site meter to the right says 6,844,634.

In Moonbat Math that's what? 137?

Congrats to Van Helsing, too.

Posted by: Jimbo at September 15, 2009 11:38 AM

Anonymous at September 15, 2009 11:37 AM

And how many books have ALL liberal pundits combined sold, you marginalizing moron?

Posted by: Jimbo at September 15, 2009 11:41 AM

40% of Americans are conservative, 21% are liberal. Conservatives outnumber liberals in every state.

Pretty big "fringe."

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 11:43 AM

RE: Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 11:37 AM

And this sort of comment from the type of MoonBat Whackos that actually have a "Fringe Festival"??

http://pafringe.com/

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 11:43 AM

I already ordered my copy on Amazon.com and can't wait to start reading. Don't you love how artists from the left, no matter how erratic, dangerous and degenerate they may be, the MSM will give them all the publicity they ever need. Take conservatives, they thrive without the liberal media telling the people what to buy, what to eat and drive. If THAT is not an example of independance versus socialist mentality...

Posted by: Jay B. at September 15, 2009 11:47 AM

"is this the part where i remind you that 1M copies represents less than 1/3 of 1% of the US population?

OOOOOOhhhh... the fringe is still the fringe. Aren't we all proud?"

That's an uneducated comment at best. If one book was sold in a country for every single inhabitants it would be the biggest success of all times. Compare to other books, by sales and realize that a book can be read by several people. You can lend it, sell it, give it and has a long life. A hundred people can read it, eventually.

Posted by: Jay B. at September 15, 2009 11:50 AM

This is laughable. 1 million copies? Not that big of a deal. Once you review the amounts that Heritage, Town Hall, The National Review, and others purchase to give away with subscriptions and donations. This is also done with some liberal groups, it is common to boost book sales.Publishers sell off bulk to think tanks and PACS religiously.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at September 15, 2009 11:51 AM

This is also done with some liberal groups, it is common to boost book sales.
Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at September 15, 2009 11:51 AM

remind me which liberal book sold 1M copies, factor in "give-aways" and "bulk" purchases if it helps, take all the time you need.

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 11:54 AM

It's good that the far left is in denial.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 12:00 PM

Denial??? V I don't think that even comes close. That would imply that there is a likely alternative to the point, but that right there is blatant stupidity.

Pelousy didn't even reach 6 digit sales with her book...even WITH the freebies. Plus it never even sniffed #1 on the bestseller list.

Posted by: TMGinDFW at September 15, 2009 12:07 PM

i'll lend gow a hand, dunno if these count as "liberal" books but obama's books sold in the millions i think, the only statements of "philosophy" contained therein amount to:

From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names..'

From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction'

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 12:07 PM

Two liberal authors reached the No.1 spot on the List in 2009. Elizabeth Edwards’ “Resilience” was No.1 for just one week and Thomas Friedman’s “Hot, Flat, and Crowded” held that spot for two weeks.

But there was another book that hit No.1. In fact, it held the No.1 spot for 12 of 18 weeks, and has yet to fall under the No. 4 spot. (Also, at this writing, it ranked No. 24 on Amazon.com, and has enjoyed 186 days in Amazon’s Top 100.)

That book, “Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto,” by conservative political commentator and nationally syndicated radio-host Mark Levin, was by far the most successful book on the list – nothing even came close.
Conclusion

The networks showed a clear bias against conservative authors and their books. The news broadcasts completely ignored wildly successful books like Mark Levin’s “Liberty and Tyranny” while covering far less popular titles by liberals. When conservatives did appear, they faced skepticism at best and open hostility at worst.

http://www.cultureandmediainstitute.org/articles/2009/20090908115345.aspx


Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 12:33 PM

Wellstoned is like the band playing as the Titanic went down.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 12:39 PM

Oh thanks, that reminds me....I need to go order a couple of copies of Liberty and Tyranny.

Some friends & family have requested for Christmas.
(Wonder how they found out about it?)

Heh, heh, heh, heh.

Posted by: Jules at September 15, 2009 12:49 PM

"The networks showed a clear bias against conservative authors and their books. The news broadcasts completely ignored wildly successful books like Mark Levin’s “Liberty and Tyranny” while covering far less popular titles by liberals."

How does that math figure? The reason that nobody but FauxNews gives this crap any airtime is that in the markeplace of ideas, nobody who lives here on Earth actually reads that crap.

If there was some small chance that a sane person would read talking-head bloviation repackaged as literature, they would hype it. But THERE AREN'T ENOUGH OF YOU TO MATTER.

This is how a free market works, folks. If it were a profitable segment of the market to anyone but the lunatic fringe, it would be covered as such.

It isn't, and it isn't.

See how that works? (Aside - Beck has lost 50% of his advertisers and counting... more of the 'reality' imposing its will on the crazies)

If you like the free market (and I think we all know how you feel about anything that smacks of 'socialism') you have to take the stuff that you like, along with the stuff that pushes you to the margins where you belong.

Intellectual consistency, anyone?

Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 12:50 PM

"Intellectual consistency, anyone?"

We'd all appreciate some from you, "anonymous", but we're not holding our breath.

Posted by: Krieg at September 15, 2009 12:57 PM

RE: Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 12:50 PM

HAAAAAA!!!! Your rationalization and denial are LAUGHABLE!!!

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 1:00 PM

Conservative books still outsell liberal books anytime

Posted by: Flu-Bird at September 15, 2009 1:02 PM

Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 12:50 PM

This is the same mentality that tells us Rush Limbaugh has enjoyed unparalleled success in Talk Radio for over TWENTY YEARS, only because liberals tune in every day to laugh at him. It's impossible for the moonbats to accept that MILLIONS of Americans find their views repulsive.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 1:03 PM

How does that math figure?

There is no math to figure, except in counting books sold (that's where the "wildly successful" adjective comes into play, ya dig?). Then, the MSM ignores said "wildly successful" book, choosing instead to cover "far less popular titles." This all obvious fact, and you seem to have accepted it.

So, you can see how the free market is clearly functioning well. Lots of folks are buying Levin's book, making it "wildly successful." The MSM can continue to play pretend and act like the free market isn't speaking. They're dying a well-deserved, slow death because of it. Hell, even the lowest rated Fox show, who's host I've never even heard of, is rated higher than any show on any other major news outlet. Even the Daily Show outranks most of the MSM, which just smacks of tasty irony.

But do tell us more about how marginalized and fringey we are!

Posted by: cowlove at September 15, 2009 1:07 PM

"Liberty" here taking the meaning of "those unable to see that in a changing world, dogma from the dawn of time is valueless"?

"Tyranny" meaning "Those who are aware that America is not, in fact, perfect and above reproach, and can improve itself"?

I kinda thought so.

Shouting in a vacuum really doesn't have much effect - all 1M of those people already watch Hannity/Beck, carry multiple guns to church, and haven't spent more than a few years getting that lib'rul schoolin'.

So, the point here is.....?

Those same 1M people will be voting for the GOP even if the Justice Department releases pictures of Cheney eating human babies. Some people are just too dumb/old/whatever to see anything they haven't already been thinking forever.

A further thought: Since the average GOP voter reads FAR less than us edumicated 'liberal elites', it is hardly shocking that they all buy the same 1 book they will read this year. The smart people don't all buy the same book, because we read more than 1 per year.

More of that 'making sense' thing we do here in reality...

Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 1:09 PM

So wait, if Mark Levin has created a sociopolitical manifesto, does that make him the new Karl Marx?
Think about it.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 1:12 PM

Anonymous: Dude, that was fucking genius!

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 1:14 PM

I kinda thought so.

Wow, you mean the arguments and definitions that you made up in your head fully support the arguments and definitions that you made up in your head? I, for one, am super surprised.

The smart people don't all buy the same book, because we read more than 1 per year.

So clearly, "liberal reading material" should be absolutely dominating the charts. I mean, you geniuses read books all the time! There's a huge market to fill your hunger to read!

Instead, it turns out that free market you were so gung ho for just a few minutes ago has told you and yours to essentially go pound sound.

Don't be discouraged though. Keep going! I want to hear more about why conservatives dominate print, the airwaves, and the radiowaves. It probably has something to do with us being stupid and fringey and you guys are way smart, but I don't want to put words in your mouth. Your actual answer will probably be much better entertainment anyway!

Posted by: cowlove at September 15, 2009 1:19 PM

Moonbat Math! You crack me up! I think I'll start a sister blog by that name. There's plenty of material to work with.

Posted by: California Serf at September 15, 2009 1:20 PM

"A further thought: Since the average GOP voter reads FAR less than us edumicated 'liberal elites'"....

Really???? Are you serious? Show me one piece of proof that that statement is true. Just one...I'll wait right here.

The extent of your ignorance is astronomical...

Posted by: TMGinDFW at September 15, 2009 1:21 PM

"Even the Daily Show outranks most of the MSM, which just smacks of tasty irony."

Why is that? Stewart is actually the best one out there. Hits left and right; he just mocks the absurdity of it all. Which anyone possessed of a sense of humor finds delightful. (For those without a sense of humor... well, keep voting republican and making Stewart's job that much easier)

Watch last night's episode, in fact. Here it is, for those who are too lazy.

Hannity and Beck get kicked in the nuts WITH THEIR OWN WORDS. No spin, no punditry, just clip 1 of them saying something, clip 2 them saying the EXACT OPPOSITE, and the only difference is that now their team isn't in power.

This is why the Daily Show is a winner. They don't need vitriol to make a point (FauxNews take note). It is deadpan, and uses nothing but their own words to hang them.

Hilarious AND relevant... mmmm good times.

Posted by: Meh at September 15, 2009 1:28 PM

Two liberal authors reached the No.1 spot on the List in 2009. Elizabeth Edwards’ “Resilience” was No.1 for just one week and Thomas Friedman’s “Hot, Flat, and Crowded” held that spot for two weeks.

But there was another book that hit No.1. In fact, it held the No.1 spot for 12 of 18 weeks, and has yet to fall under the No. 4 spot. (Also, at this writing, it ranked No. 24 on Amazon.com, and has enjoyed 186 days in Amazon’s Top 100.)

That book, “Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto,” by conservative political commentator and nationally syndicated radio-host Mark Levin, was by far the most successful book on the list – nothing even came close.
Conclusion

The networks showed a clear bias against conservative authors and their books. The news broadcasts completely ignored wildly successful books like Mark Levin’s “Liberty and Tyranny” while covering far less popular titles by liberals. When conservatives did appear, they faced skepticism at best and open hostility at worst.

http://www.cultureandmediainstitute.org/articles/2009/20090908115345.aspx


Posted by: Sassy at September 15, 2009 1:33 PM

Meth opps I mean meh how do the ratings compare against eachother?

Posted by: Farmer Ted at September 15, 2009 1:33 PM

Oh, I'm sorry Meh. You apparently haven't kept up at all with, like, anything.

In the cable news show ratings, Fox fills the first 4 slots. Then comes someone from CNN (maybe two, can't remember) then the Daily Show, then anyone else you can think of.

I wish I had made that clear from the get-go so you could have saved yourself at least some embarrassment.

Posted by: cowlove at September 15, 2009 1:33 PM

"Show me one piece of proof that that statement is true"

Proof, huh? Let's use this very page as an example:

"has probibly outsold"

"...Don't you love how artists from the left, no matter how erratic, dangerous and degenerate they may be, the MSM..."

"would be the biggest success of all times. Compare to other books, by sales and realize that a book can be read by several people..."

Literate people do not have such trouble with verb tense agreement, or sentence structure, or SPELLING...

Look, not all conservatives are toothless hick morons. BUT, if you ARE a toothless hick moron, you are clearly voting GOP and commenting here...

Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 1:35 PM

Hahahaha we got us a prime one today. Let's see, first a million isn't that much (it is, especially when it isn't on oprah's list) then it means we all buy the same book, but nothing else. Can't have it both ways, sorry.

I don't have this book so far, and probably won't, because I have a strong suspicion I already agree with it all and wouldn't learn much. The thing is, I have this house packed with so many books, most read, many to read, that I have storage problems. I read a pantload, over a wide range of subjects. Must be a fringe thang.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at September 15, 2009 1:36 PM

Oh crap, I was way off.

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,212,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,644,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,544,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 1,968,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,705,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,067,000
MSNBC MADDOW 948,000
CNN BLITZER 889,000
CNN KING 875,000

So Fox gets the first five, and for some reason the Daily Show isn't listed this time. I'm sure you can dig up those numbers if you care to and they end up making your point carry.

And seriously, who is this Shep guy and why does he outrank the best that the other outlets have to offer? Oh, free market, more conservatives than liberals, yada yada, I'm sure you get the point by now.

Posted by: cowlove at September 15, 2009 1:37 PM

THE REASON LIBERALS DONT OUTSELL CONSERVATIVE BOOKS IS BECAUSE WE LIBERALS ARE ALL SO SMART AND DO NOT RESPECT PROPERTY RIGHTS I DOWNLOAD ALL OF MY BOOKS ONTO MY SMUG-POWERED KINDLE AND SPEND THE REST OF MY TIME MASTURBATING TO WAPANESE COMICS.

Posted by: ITS_NOT_JUST_A_RIVER_IN_EGYPT at September 15, 2009 1:37 PM

My point had nothing to do w/ Stewart's ratings level, cowlover. It was about the APPROACH, and the fact that someone apparently thought it ironic that a smart guy without the failings of the bloviating right wingers is popular OUTSIDE the lunatic-fringe echo chamber.

Who clicked the link and watched your heroes get kicked in the nuts by... themselves?

Whatever. Click the link, and DEFEND THAT SEGMENT. Do it. Why is it perfectly rational that your rulers would say something, then say LITERALLY THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

I am genuinely interested to see whether anyone is capable of that level of spin...

Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 1:41 PM

I want to hear more about why conservatives dominate print, the airwaves, and the radiowaves
Posted by: cowlove

Its because neary every conservative still lives in fucking 1937 and only a handful of you have discovered TV and even fewer have discovered the internet

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 1:42 PM

It was about the APPROACH, and the fact that someone apparently thought it ironic that a smart guy without the failings of the bloviating right wingers is popular OUTSIDE the lunatic-fringe echo chamber.

Sadly (for you) I was pointing to the delicious irony of a mock news show on a comedy channel outranking actual MSM news shows. Jump quick, because that one is sailing way over your head as you read this.

Its because neary every conservative still lives in fucking 1937 and only a handful of you have discovered TV and even fewer have discovered the internet

So the overwhelming domination in print, the airwaves, and the radiowaves in favor of conservatives is due to the fact that conservatives are technologically backwards. You folks are very advanced, so we're kicking your asses all over the place in the marketplace of ideas...

I get it, you're a parody. Don't worry, we get plenty of laughs here over lefty "thinking" without having to make them up.

Posted by: cowlove at September 15, 2009 1:48 PM

ITS_NOT_JUST_A_RIVER_IN_EGYPT:

Don't you dare attack japanese fiction and manga
Its infinitely more engaging and entertaining than some faggy book about the fictional plight of the 'oppressed conservative'.
You're all just unwilling to accept that Liberals control precisely jack-shit and that all of America's problems either only exist in your heads or you create them because of your own impotent rage.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 1:49 PM

Aquasnot your comment is a joke. Fox news has the first 5 highest rated shows. So much for not discovering TV and by the way how are we conversing right now? The internet? Damn your statement has to given the joke of the day award,keep'em coming.

Posted by: Farmer Ted at September 15, 2009 1:50 PM

Whatever. Click the link, and DEFEND THAT SEGMENT. Do it. Why is it perfectly rational that your rulers would say something, then say LITERALLY THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

Pretty funny, to say the least. I love the Daily Show. I don't get to watch it much since we cancelled Directv, but whatever. I've also never watched Hannity. I've watched Beck once. What does any of this have to do with the fact these idiot, bloviating right-wingers completely dominate any other news show offered up by competing MSM news outlets?

Oh, that's right, nothing at all. If anything, it makes the MSM's failure even more poignant. You can't even overcome a bloviating hypocrite! No wonder you folks come here to vent.

Posted by: cowlove at September 15, 2009 1:52 PM

Aqua, dude, take a pill. I'm so over TV, I don't even watch Fox, so I'm not in their numbers. I'm all internet all the time. It's obvious you're bitter that conservatives outsell your guys on whatever medium; just relax and live it. It's not going away.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at September 15, 2009 1:52 PM

You're all just unwilling to accept that Liberals control precisely jack-shit...

Except the White House, House of Representatives, and Senate, right?

Definitely a parody, this one.

Posted by: cowlove at September 15, 2009 1:53 PM

He's gonna work himself into a stroke if he keeps it up.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at September 15, 2009 1:55 PM

"Liberty" here taking the meaning of "those unable to see that in a changing world, dogma from the dawn of time is valueless"?

"Dogma from the dawn of time?" And what "dogma" would that be, Larry?

"Tyranny" meaning "Those who are aware that America is not, in fact, perfect and above reproach, and can improve itself"?

Err, no. "Tyranny" meaning "an insane attempt to massively grow the United States government far beyond the bounds of sanity."

You leftist drones always talk about "improvement," but your record in actually improving things is, well, lacking.

I kinda thought so.

So you're answering your own questions and taking that as evidence you are correct?

Shouting in a vacuum really doesn't have much effect - all 1M of those people already watch Hannity/Beck, carry multiple guns to church, and haven't spent more than a few years getting that lib'rul schoolin'.

You aren't arguing with us... you're arguing with your cartoonish ideas of what we believe. It wouldn't be a leftist rant without mentioning churches and guns and "Faux News." (Is there anyone who still thinks that's clever?)

Oh, and by the way, Hannity's and Beck's audiences are far larger than one million. FAR larger.

So, the point here is.....?

Oh, please tell us. After all, we've been waiting for you to come to some kind of point.

Those same 1M people will be voting for the GOP even if the Justice Department releases pictures of Cheney eating human babies.

I'm pretty sure in a nation of 300+ million, you can find a million people who will vote either Democrat or Republican without fail no matter what.

What you have offered absolutely no evidence of is whether it is the same one million.

Some people are just too dumb/old/whatever to see anything they haven't already been thinking forever.

And those people vote Republican, right? There aren't millions of dumb/old/whatever people who vote Democrat?

A further thought:

You can't say "further thought" until you've had a thought.

Since the average GOP voter reads FAR less than us edumicated 'liberal elites',

Evidence? Ah, yes, it's the standard issue point #112: anyone who disagrees with me is an uneducated idiot.

it is hardly shocking that they all buy the same 1 book they will read this year. The smart people don't all buy the same book, because we read more than 1 per year.

Coloring books don't count, Larry.

See? I can make snide comments too! And mine are funnier.

More of that 'making sense' thing we do here in reality...

This must be a new definition of 'making sense' that I wasn't previously aware of.

So you think you live in "reality?" Here's some reality for you: Levin's book is a runaway bestseller. So is Beck's. And so will be his next book. Beck is destroying the competition in the ratings, as is "Faux News." He, along with biggovernment.com and other conservatives are destroying Obama's allies and cronies one by one.

A freight train is heading towards you looters, and you are too busy sneering and laughing to pay attention to what's coming. You'll sneer and laugh at this, of course.

Anyway, I wrote something months ago that fits your comments. I repost it from time to time because it's amazing how consistent you leftist drones are. It's as if you have no ability to think anything different than other leftists. the same tired points, the same lies, the same boring cliches. You, Anonymous Larry, are just another in a long line of Obama cultists. You are interchangeable... there's no difference between you and Ghost of Wellstone or any of the other robots that drop in here.

Here's what I wrote:

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1) The leftist troll always believes himself to be smarter than his opponent. Always. No matter how idiotic his arguments, no matter how easily they are torn apart, he never wavers in this belief.

2) Similarly, the troll knows that he is better educated. Even if he is a high school freshman arguing against someone with multiple degrees, his opponent is an ignorant, illiterate boob with a third-grade education.

3) His opponents are racists. ALL of them. This is not even guilty-until-proven-innocent, since there is no way for the opponent to prove to the leftist that he isn't racist.

4) His opponents are fascists. The leftist troll doesn't even truly understand the meaning of the word, but nonetheless labels everyone who disagrees with him as fascists or Nazis.

5) The troll believes himself to be tolerant, yet shows no respect whatsoever for anyone's opinion that doesn't agree with his. He is perfectly willing to indulge in the vilest accusations and basest insults, all the while believing in his heart that he is a tolerant and open-minded person. Leftists HATE. They hate with a pure, single-minded passion that would impress a member of the KKK.

6) There is NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER in their political views. Quiz them on a subject, and you can always predict the answer they will give you. The trolls are interchangeable.

In the end, nothing we say matters to them. They don't care what we think, don't have any intention of listening to anything that casts doubts on their view that government (at least, when they are in charge of it) is the solution to all of life's problems. They're here to dazzle themselves with their own brilliance. Coming here and stirring up shit is just a form of masturbation to them, and we're the props in their sick fantasies.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 1:58 PM

It doesn't make any sense how conservativism, an ideology based around keeping society as it is or endlessly pining the passing of a time that never really happened, is now claiming to be ultra-progressive and certain that its main figureheads know the way out of a non-existent rut.
A rut, that incidentally always appeared in the 20th century after times of crises, such as the Wall Street Crash and in Germany after the First World War (and we all know what happened when people freaked out and voted far right in that situation...).

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 2:00 PM

I love it when a thread hits a raw leftist nerve.

Interesting how the trolls think selling a million books is no big deal. How many books has Goatse sold? Oh, right, he can't even get anyone to read his blog.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 2:01 PM

conservativism, an ideology based around keeping society as it is

No, dingus. Conservatism means embracing that which has proven to work, and rejecting that which has been shown to fail.

Progressive liberalism is the exact opposite.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 2:04 PM

RE: Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 2:00 PM

Keep thrashing, aquatarkus. You are almost comical.

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 2:06 PM

"A rut, that incidentally always appeared in the 20th century after times of crises, such as the Wall Street Crash and in Germany after the First World War (and we all know what happened when people freaked out and voted far right in that situation...)."
Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 2:00 PM


Actually, that was Far LEFT. National Socialism. Ever heard of it? Now go lay down before your head explodes.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 2:09 PM

It doesn't make any sense how conservativism, an ideology based around keeping society as it is

[BZZZT] Nope. Thanks for playing, and we have some lovely parting gifts for you.

Come back when you actually understand what conservatism is.

or endlessly pining the passing of a time that never really happened,

And what time would that be?

is now claiming to be ultra-progressive

"Ultra-progressive?" Nope again. Is there a single conservative claiming to be "ultra-progressive?"

and certain that its main figureheads know the way out of a non-existent rut.

"Rut?" What are even talking about?

A rut,

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

that incidentally always appeared in the 20th century after times of crises, such as the Wall Street Crash and in Germany after the First World War (and we all know what happened when people freaked out and voted far right in that situation...).

You don't even know how Hitler got into power. He didn't win an election, and the Nazis never had a majority until they had the power to eliminate their rivals. The German people didn't vote Hitler in.

Oh, and the Nazis were a leftist movement. Don't take my word for it... take Hitler's: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance."

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 2:12 PM

Hee hee, a smug-powered kindle, that's good. Can you imagine if smugness were a useable energy source? Berkeley could power the whole country!

But back to the issue of whether a book that sells a million copies is a blockbuster, I assure you, it is. Anyone who has ever written a book, published a book, or sold books for a living will confirm this. I am an independent bookstore owner, and typically, books that sell a million copies nationwide, are the books that sell themselves. All you have to do is stock them.

Posted by: Judith M. at September 15, 2009 2:16 PM

The leftist troll always believes himself to be smarter than his opponent. Always. No matter how idiotic his arguments, no matter how easily they are torn apart, he never wavers in this belief.
Posted by: Evil Otto

No, you've got it all wrong, us Liberals don't try to make ourselves look smarter than Conservatives.
What we do is we use human decency, kindness and the understanding that there is usually more than one answer to a problem to try to explain ourselves.
We accept that there are gray areas that can't be resolved with furious, table-thumping rhetoric and pushing the atomic shitstorm button.
Of course, you Conservatives always interpret that as meaning we are a bunch of pussies who are afraid to take action, when in reality its because we're trying to think of a peaceful solution.

In any case, you going to ignore everything I just said and call me a fag in the next comment.
We're trying to make the world a nicer place, but its impossible when bigoted man-children criticise your every word and keep letting their raging inferiority complexes take over their minds and turn them into bastards

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 2:19 PM

You fag. More than one answer to a problem? You mean maybe something other than growing government and it reach into our lives? Try again. When was the last time a liberal EVER recommended a reduction in the size of governement because, well, gosh darn it, they're just NOT DOING IT RIGHT, so maybe we should let the people that have to live their lives actually DO IT?

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at September 15, 2009 2:24 PM

By the way Evil Otto, Hitler did win the January 1933 elections and he only claimed to be socialist to get the working-class vote.

Of cousre if you'd read a book other Mark Levin's fascist wank-mag, you would know know these things.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 2:27 PM

God, I love it the way that PEOPLE FEEL THE NEED to write in capitals to GET THEIR POINT ACROSS.

Its nothing like the TABLE-THUMPING RHETORIC I JUST MENTIONED.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 2:30 PM

"By the way Evil Otto, Hitler did win the January 1933 elections and he only claimed to be socialist to get the working-class vote."

WRONG. His Nationalization of Industry, His banning of guns and his persecution of Christian Churches (According to William L. Shirer, not me),and his stated Opposition to Capitalism suggest he was an authentic Socialist. Not to mention that he repeatedly called himself a socialist.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 2:35 PM

aquatarkus :
Something tells me you knew all about Manga. Most likely from many hours "analyzing" it amongst the towers made of pizza boxes in your mom's basement (or your fortress of solitude, as you like to call it.) and the used kleenex you use to wipe the Cheeto crumbs off your penis after you've finished.

Get a life, you virgin twat.

Posted by: ITS_NOT_JUST_A_RIVER_IN_EGYPT at September 15, 2009 2:37 PM

RE: Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 2:30 PM

HAAA! The only person losing thier cool around here is YOU, aqua-torqued-off!!

Oh, and thanks - I had almost forgotten about ELP

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 2:38 PM

What we do is we use human decency, kindness and the understanding that there is usually more than one answer to a problem to try to explain ourselves.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 2:19 PM


LOL!!!!! What a lying, hypocritical nutjob!!!!!

HA!hahahahahah!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jimbo at September 15, 2009 2:40 PM

No, you've got it all wrong, us Liberals don't try to make ourselves look smarter than Conservatives.

Do you have a reading disability? That's not what I wrote. I wrote that you believe yourselves to be smarter. And there's plenty of evidence for that in this thread alone.

Trust me... I've been arguing with your ilk for years. It's a fact that the leftist always thinks that he is more intelligent than his opponent.

What we do is we use human decency, kindness and the understanding that there is usually more than one answer to a problem to try to explain ourselves.

No. That's not even remotely true. First of all, do you think you have a monopoly on "human decency and kindness?"

Your side only has one answer. And the answer your side ALWAYS comes up with is more spending. Spend more of other people's money to make a problem go away. Except the problem doesn't go away.

We accept that there are gray areas that can't be resolved with furious, table-thumping rhetoric and pushing the atomic shitstorm button.

Spare me. Look at the behavior of your fellow lefties on this blog and say that again. You trolls use the atomic shitstorm button ALL THE TIME.

Of course, you Conservatives always interpret that

We "always" do?

as meaning we are a bunch of pussies who are afraid to take action,

Again, you have NO CLUE what we believe. We'd actually like to stop you from taking action, because over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and frikkin' OVER again the actions you take make the problems worse.

when in reality its because we're trying to think of a peaceful solution.

To what? Health care? The deficit? Taxes? The economy?

In any case, you going to ignore everything I just said and call me a fag in the next comment.

Really? Have I ever used that word? Have I called anyone here a "fag?"

We're trying to make the world a nicer place,

I wish I could tattoo "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" backward on the forehead of every liberal, so they could understand the basic idea that just because you want to make the world a better place doesn't mean you will. Often, you make the world a worse place through your ill-conceived actions.

but its impossible when bigoted man-children

Are you trying to convince me I was wrong about you? Because you're proving my point for me. By labeling us "bigots" you set up a mental shield against listening to anything we have to say. After all, why listen to a "bigot?" It's a defense mechanism that prevents you from having to think about someone's argument.

I am someone who disagrees with you. I've argued with so many carbon-copy versions of you, aquatarkus, that I've lost count. You say the same things, you lash out with the same hate and rage when questioned, you sneer and insult and generally make asses of yourselves. And to what end? What do you and your fellow drones hope to accomplish?

criticise your every word and keep letting their raging inferiority complexes

In psychology, that's known as "projection." Aquatarkus, I don't have a "raging inferiority complex." If you don't understand that, well... I'll add it to the list of things you don't understand.

take over their minds and turn them into bastards

"Bastards?" (rolling eyes)

Now, are you done with your incoherent little rant? Good. Have a cookie, little leftist drone.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 2:43 PM

"A rut, that incidentally always appeared in the 20th century after times of crises, such as the Wall Street Crash and in Germany after the First World War (and we all know what happened when people freaked out and voted far right in that situation...)."
Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 2:00 PM


Actually, that was Far LEFT. National Socialism. Ever heard of it? Now go lay down before your head explodes.

...do you know anything? like...anything at all? The /idea/ of national socialism was far left before Hitler joined the party. The it changed after he joined. Are you so fucking stupid that you can change something that caused the /biggest fucking tragedy of all time/ into a way for you to rant about shit? It doesn't even make sense. If you knew what the hell you were talking about, you wouldn't have said that. Check your history, you fucking twat.

Let me guess; now i'm a liberal arse who doesn't know shit? Go ahead. I know i'm not as much of a fucking dick as you.

Enjoy your smugness. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 2:49 PM

By the way Evil Otto, Hitler did win the January 1933 elections

Idiot. Hitler was already CHANCELLOR OF GERMANY in the 1933 election. The Nazis suppressed the communist vote after the Reichstag fire, resulting in a victory, but it wasn't a real election. Saying Hitler won that election is like saying Castro wins every election he's ever run in.

and he only claimed to be socialist to get the working-class vote.

That quote I posted above? It's from 1927. And the Nazis were always socialists, from the very founding of their movement.

Of cousre if you'd read a book other Mark Levin's fascist wank-mag, you would know know these things.

I know far more about the subject than you ever will, drone. And I've read far more than you ever will.

Oh, and love that you've called Levin's book a "fascist wank-mag." One moment you're trying to convince me that you liberals are just trying to make the world a better place, the next you're calling an opponent a fascist. You really can't disguise your hatred for long, can you? Inevitably the mask slips and you expose your true selves... intolerant and hate-filled.

Thanks again for proving me right.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 2:52 PM

You fag. More than one answer to a problem? You mean maybe something other than growing government and it reach into our lives? Try again. When was the last time a liberal EVER recommended a reduction in the size of governement because, well, gosh darn it, they're just NOT DOING IT RIGHT, so maybe we should let the people that have to live their lives actually DO IT?

Dear Mr Evilwrench;
I love how you take one comment and attach it to a specific argument. It makes a lot of sense and is a good way to argue points.
from, The Joker.

by the way, that was *sarcasm*.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 2:53 PM

By the way Evil Otto, Hitler did win the January 1933 elections

Idiot. Hitler was already CHANCELLOR OF GERMANY in the 1933 election. The Nazis suppressed the communist vote after the Reichstag fire, resulting in a victory, but it wasn't a real election. Saying Hitler won that election is like saying Castro wins every election he's ever run in.

and he only claimed to be socialist to get the working-class vote.

That quote I posted above? It's from 1927. And the Nazis were always socialists, from the very founding of their movement.

Of cousre if you'd read a book other Mark Levin's fascist wank-mag, you would know know these things.

I know far more about the subject than you ever will, drone. And I've read far more than you ever will.

Oh, and love that you've called Levin's book a "fascist wank-mag." One moment you're trying to convince me that you liberals are just trying to make the world a better place, the next you're calling an opponent a fascist. You really can't disguise your hatred for long, can you? Inevitably the mask slips and you expose your true selves... intolerant and hate-filled.

Thanks again for proving me right.

...you know, really...I think all this proves is that you, like most other people on this site apart from people like aquatarkus and a certain Anonymous commenter above, are just complete cocks. Really. Just cocks.

By the way; i'm a woman. I'm curious to see what your point of view on women is.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 2:56 PM

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 2:49 PM

I can't understand a word this babbling asswipe posted after pasting my earlier comment. Can anyone else make sense of it?

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 2:56 PM

Do you have a reading disability?
Posted by: Evil Otto

Yes.
Yes I do.
Now whose the asshole?

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 3:00 PM

"and the used kleenex you use to wipe the Cheeto crumbs off your penis after you've finished."

LMAO!!! Too funny.

Posted by: Henry at September 15, 2009 3:02 PM

dear Lame-Joke-About-The-Nile-Username-Shithead

aquatarkus :
Something tells me you knew all about Manga. Most likely from many hours "analyzing" it amongst the towers made of pizza boxes in your mom's basement (or your fortress of solitude, as you like to call it.) and the used kleenex you use to wipe the Cheeto crumbs off your penis after you've finished.

Get a life, you virgin twat.

in response to your comment -

Manga is amazing. Just because you have made a pre-judgement on it doesn't mean that it isn't. ALso; I know aquatarkus in real life [yes, there is a whole world outside this crappy blog! oh my god!] and he is an incredibly eloquent, literate, kind-hearted human being. Although i suppose you wouldn't know much about those kinds of people, having probably never come into contact with someone akin to that yourself.

Just how old are you, anyway? Because you argue like a five year old.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:03 PM

Whatever, Joker. First of all, learn some basic HTML, or at least learn to use frikkin' quotation marks. You don't have to repost somone's entire comment unless you're tearing it apart piece-by-piece.

Second, your opinion is that we're "cocks?" Well, how can anyone argue against such a well-reasoned point? Touche', I guess. Compared to you, aquatarkus is practically Socrates.

And lastly, I believe in the equality of the sexes... women can be idiots too, as you are proving. Oh, and why are you "curious" about my point of view on women is? I'm guessing it's because you assume you already know it, because you think I'm bigoted towards women. Why even point out what gender you are? It makes no difference to me.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 3:05 PM

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 2:49 PM

I can't understand a word this babbling asswipe posted after pasting my earlier comment. Can anyone else make sense of it?

I called you a cock. you know - that thing you have that never gets any action? As in anything that comes out of you is nothing more than fucking jizz. it holds no value. and i care not for it.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:05 PM

RE: Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 2:56 PM

The Joker (Smoker? Miiidnight Toker?) cuts and pastes an Evil Otto post, and then ends it with:

"By the way; i'm a woman. I'm curious to see what your point of view on women is."

Women? Personally, I am quite partial to them.

The Letterman Loving loopy Loony Lying Lemming-Like LowLife Leftie Losers don't seem to be too partial to 'em, though - just ask Sarah Palin, her daughters, Ann Hart Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham, et al....

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 3:07 PM

It's such hypocrisy by Evil Otto that to prove that I'm smug, you proceed to pick apart my comments and call me a idiot like the smuggest twat in the universe

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 3:07 PM

RE: Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:05 PM

OMG!!! It's Alanis Morissette!!!

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 3:08 PM

Yes.
Yes I do.
Now whose the asshole?

Umm... you. And if you have a reading disability, you really shouldn't be here. Reading is required. But you've supposedly read so much more than I have, that should be obvious to you.

Now, little leftist drone, do you have anything interesting or useful to say? I tore you a new one a few minutes ago, and that's all you've got to say? Pathetic. Makes me wish Ghost of Wellstone and Anonymous would come back.

Wow, did I actually just write that?

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 3:09 PM

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 3:05 PM

I thin it's clear that I, in fact, do know basic HTML. Considering I can do italic and bold. Also; how I choose to show what comment I am replying to is my own choice.

I never said my point of calling you a cock was valid, or even something to argue with. I'm just voicing my opinion, much like you are on this site. But hell; why not be a hypocrite and tell me what i'm doing is not as valid as what you are doing just because of my political beliefs? Oh wait - you already did! You sir, are a crafty one. I take my hat off to you.

Fuck you very much, asswipe.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:10 PM

The Jackass,

I could care less that you prefer latex to real male organs. I suspect you must be Mommy to aquatookus, as evidenced by your knee-jerk defense of his lies. Was he conceived through anal sex or artificial insemination? I ask because you clearly hate Males and he's a turd.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 3:11 PM

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 3:07 PM

actually? I myself am quite partial to women. also; Alanis Morisette? Where are you from, the 90s? I'd at least be fucking Beth Ditto.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:12 PM

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 3:07 PM

actually? I myself am quite partial to women. also; Alanis Morisette? Where are you from, the 90s? I'd at least be fucking Beth Ditto.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:12 PM

Compared to you, aquatarkus is practically Socrates
Posted by: Evil Otto

Don't compare me to fucking Socrates.
I studied Philosophy of Religion, and it's very much like this site - you have to believe in the half thought out and one-sided opinions of tossers who couldn't get laid.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 3:13 PM

I suppose the title of "joker" doesn't require one to make much sense, or understand it (or sarcasm) in others.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at September 15, 2009 3:13 PM

Of cousre if you'd read a book other Mark Levin's fascist wank-mag, you would know know these things.

Have.you.read.Levin's.book?

Until then, you really are out of your league criticizing his works and attacking him personally as a means to justify your hatred for conservatism.

I'm sick of these people who bitch and moan about Beck, Malkin, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc witout actually having read or listened to their work. Liberals are the epitome of sheep, following talking points about what to like, who to hate, claim racism, greedy [insert-point-of-hatred-here], and how to defeat through ridicule...

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at September 15, 2009 3:15 PM

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 3:11 PM

No, i am not, in fact, his mother. I am a friend of his. And my knee-jerk reaction to you so obviously trying to personally attack him - something which is odd, considering this argument is supposed to be about politics - is merely a friend defending a friend. Also; i do not hate males. Or else I wouldn't be friends with Aquatarkus and my best friend wouldn't be male. I love how you assume things about me.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:15 PM

It's such hypocrisy by Evil Otto

Hypocrisy? You keep using words you don't know the meaning of.

that to prove that I'm smug, you proceed to pick apart my comments and call me a idiot like the smuggest twat in the universe

Ah, here's more examples of the skill of the leftist when arguing his positions. Once again we see that your typical left-wing drone can't win an argument to save his life because he doesn't know why he believes what he believes. You don't THINK, you FEEL. And thus it enrages you when someone takes you apart, forces you to confront that fact.

Now quit whining, kid. If you can't handle it, maybe you shouldn't be here. Hit back or don't, but stop complaining.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 3:16 PM

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:15 PM

Just like YOU assumed we're cocks that never get laid. HYPOCRITE.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 3:17 PM

also; i said i am quite partial to women. I did not. however, claim to not like men too. Have you ever heard of polysexuality? I hadn't thought so.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:18 PM

Leftist derangement. How gratifying.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 15, 2009 3:18 PM

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 3:17 PM

I don't remember not claiming that i never assumed anything. I've assumed lots of things about you - it's just that you make it to easy to do.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:19 PM

AmericanToTheCore:

To be fair, Sean Hannity has the mannerisms of a pedarast, Rush Limbaugh is basically Jabba the Hutt and Glen Beck is a clown in a man suit.

Also, Rush Limbaugh has the same first name as the greatest band in the known universe, which really pisses me off.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 3:21 PM

Interesting how the trolls think selling a million books is no big deal. How many books has Goatse sold? Oh, right, he can't even get anyone to read his blog.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 2:01 PM

LOL! That's gonna leave a mark...

Posted by: Nunya at September 15, 2009 3:22 PM

Are we like an entire order of magnitude more intelligent than these wankers, even drunk? They come on here all keen on how bright they are, and can't even notice when they've been owned? It's indeed a shame that the electorate isn't more distinguishing.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at September 15, 2009 3:24 PM

Evil Otto has made a common mistake for opinionated bigots - he assumes that because I have become slightly annoyed and started swearing, it means that he's won.

Pick this comment apart, knobhead.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 3:26 PM

Glen Beck is a clown in a man suit.

A clown who brought down a presidential czar, got the communications director of the NEA reassigned, exposed the criminal enterprise of ACORN, got ACORN fired from the Census Bureau, and got the Senate to cut off ACORN funding.

That's one hell of a clown.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 3:26 PM

RE: Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:12 PM

The Joker continues with,

"actually? I myself am quite partial to women. also; Alanis Morisette? Where are you from, the 90s? I'd at least be fucking Beth Ditto."

Typical Liberal...thinks that history didn't begin until her pseudobadass lesbian self came on the scene.

What? You saying i'm not Hip? Not "edgy"? Not "cutting edge"? Wow!!! Thanks!!

Also, your attempt to run me down for supposedly being a decade out of date is pretty strange when you consider that your best bud "aquatarkus" is using a retro name from nearly 40 years ago.

Maybe Aquatarkus will turn back into "Loonypippistrellus" or whatever by tommorrow.

By the way, dearie, I was alluding to Alanis because of your obvious anger and hatred of anything with a male appendage.

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 3:28 PM

Well, becoming annoyed and swearing is a good first step, calling people names is a good second, keep it up.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at September 15, 2009 3:29 PM

Clearly The Jackass and Aquatookus are leftist limeys. Oh well. They'll soon be slaves to the followers of Mohammed. No matter how much they deny it, they WILL be ruled by Islam. Even in a burka, The Jackass will still be FUGLY as hell.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 3:30 PM

I thin it's clear that I, in fact, do know basic HTML. Considering I can do italic and bold. Also; how I choose to show what comment I am replying to is my own choice.

OK, suit yourself. It's stupid to not use HTML or quotes when arguing on a blog, but if you feel that's to your advantage, then have fun.

I never said my point of calling you a cock was valid, or even something to argue with. I'm just voicing my opinion, much like you are on this site.

It does nothing to advance your ideas. All it shows is the bottomless depths of your hatred. And like the old saying goes, opinions are like assholes... everyone has one, and they usually stink.

And if I call you a Kool-Aid-drinking leftist robot, well, that's just MY opinion.

But hell; why not be a hypocrite and tell me what i'm doing is not as valid as what you are doing just because of my political beliefs?

And what ARE you "doing?" So far you've barely managed to say anything of use or value. You argue like a third-grader.

Political beliefs are only useful if they're grounded in substance. And you've yet to demonstrate any at all. If you're here to defend your beliefs, then do so. If you're here to make useless insults, then we have a hundred cookie-cutter versions of you pass through here a day. Don't expect to be treated with kid gloves just because you have political beliefs.

Oh wait - you already did! You sir, are a crafty one. I take my hat off to you.

Hey, if you don't like it, prove me wrong.

Fuck you very much, asswipe.

Your anger makes me happy.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 3:30 PM

Mr Evilwrench is also displaying the same problem as Evil Otto.

Just because I'm willing to show some fucking passion for what I believe in, rather than just passing judgement on strangers like some bitter old man, it has to be because I'm a fool who refuses to listen to reason.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 3:32 PM

RE: Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 3:30 PM

ROLV opines, "Clearly The Jackass and Aquatookus are leftist limeys. Oh well. They'll soon be slaves to the followers of Mohammed. No matter how much they deny it, they WILL be ruled by Islam. Even in a burka, The Jackass will still be FUGLY as hell."

Actually, you're pretty close - aquatarkus went to school in Great Britain, and posted on here about it once under another one of his assumed names.

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 3:33 PM

lolz, methinks these two are the same person, we could call them a "polysexual" being, perhaps there's other personalities waiting to come forth, maybe jokers "husband" is next to affirm that yes in fact she does like the cawk and that aquatard really is very erudite in real life, i've yet to see their "argument" if they actually have one that is, methinks it goes something like this "you guys are mean".

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 3:33 PM

Hahahaha damn you're an easy mark. What was it you believed in again? I think you're just an emotional wanker.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at September 15, 2009 3:33 PM

Your anger makes me happy
Posted by: Evil Otto

You're a sick fuck Evil Otto.
But that's just my opinion...

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 3:35 PM

Was THAT it? It's called schadenfreude. Maybe you should know that

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at September 15, 2009 3:36 PM

TonyD95B:

Fuck you, Tarkus is a great album.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 3:37 PM

RE: Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 3:35 PM

And you're entitled to it, Aquatookus!

That doesn't mean we won't laugh at ya, though.....

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 3:37 PM

Evil Otto has made a common mistake for opinionated bigots

Ah, back to the "bigots" thing again. Already refuted. You drones never change... it's like you have one argument and you stick to it, no matter how many times it fails.

he assumes that because I have become slightly annoyed and started swearing, it means that he's won.

I won because you were reduced to whining and petulant insults so quickly. I showed that your bull about "human decency and kindness" was a lie, that when the surface is scratched you are filed with anger and rage that anyone dares to question you.

I wrote this above:

5) The troll believes himself to be tolerant, yet shows no respect whatsoever for anyone's opinion that doesn't agree with his. He is perfectly willing to indulge in the vilest accusations and basest insults, all the while believing in his heart that he is a tolerant and open-minded person. Leftists HATE. They hate with a pure, single-minded passion that would impress a member of the KKK.

Once again you've shown that I was right.

Pick this comment apart, knobhead.

Gladly.

In case you haven't noticed, I enjoy this. Like Joker's, your anger makes me happy.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 3:37 PM

But I suppose prog rock isn't really your thing, is it TonyD95B?
It's a bit too imaginative and creative for you.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 3:39 PM

RE: Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 3:37 PM

Yes.....that'w why I thanked you on another thread for reminding me of Emerson, Lake, and Palmer.

Sheesh, man - for someone who talks about reachin' out to people, y'all sure are touchy.....and not in the "touchy-feely" kinda way.

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 3:39 PM

You're a sick fuck Evil Otto.
But that's just my opinion...

Delicious.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 3:40 PM

Gonna go make dinner, wish the trolls were worth staying around for...

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at September 15, 2009 3:41 PM

Sheesh, man - for someone who talks about reachin' out to people, y'all sure are touchy.....and not in the "touchy-feely" kinda way.

Tony,

Leftists are only tolerant as long as you walk lockstep with them. In the end, the only crime they believe in is heresy... thoughtcrime.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 3:41 PM

Let's discuss Prog Rock. ELP is crappola. King Crimson were much better.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 3:41 PM

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 3:28 PM

okay, fuck you i am not a lesbian. i am polysexual, as i have previously stated. thank you very much for insulting me in this way. I do not hate anybody with a male appendage - my best friend is male, and polysexual means that i like men too.

i'm actually kind of done here. you can think you've won if you fucking feel like it; the difference between us is that i know when i've got too angry to make any sort of point. because i'm a person, and not a robot of a shithead like you appear to be.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:42 PM

My MY MY Lookie at what we have here!!

A troll infestation.

Spewing out the same old tired cultist bullshit.
All I see here my fellow conservative is a bunch of DESPERATE Liberal idiots with their leader and their shit head cause in a steep decline.

Keep it up you leftist sheep like Obambats. The more you post the more desperate you obviously are.

Aquapenis you are the biggest libtard of this group. Go back to your lefty site before you end up more brain dead than you really are. You are no match for the likes of the posters here.

I guess you socialist idiots posting here don't have any tea parties to try and bust up because all the conservatives are at work or getting off work. Awwwww what a shame, no ol' ladies to beat up or handicap people to harass.


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSERS!!!!!!

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!

FOAD!!
We will win in 2010.....

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 3:42 PM

The Jackass,

You are a sexually confused PERVERT. In a sane world, you would be shunned.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 3:45 PM

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 3:42 PM

Aquatarkus doesn't have a website. He has better things to be doing. Also; it's 11:46 at night here. do you normally work at 11:46 at night? I didn't think so.

also; old ladies to beat up? who the fuck does that? because I sure as hell don't.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:46 PM

You know, it never fails. Whenever I repost that analysis of the leftist troll (above at 1:58) the drones fly into an absolute rage. They're angry that I dare to say those things about them, and then they go on to prove every single point I made correct.

It's like the old saying goes, "When you start receiving flak, you know you're over the target."

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 3:47 PM

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 3:45 PM

...excuse me? how the fuck am i sexually confused? and how the hell does that make me a pervert? there's nothing wrong with being attracted to both sexes. and there never has and never will be.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:48 PM

To be fair, Sean Hannity has the mannerisms of a pedarast, Rush Limbaugh is basically Jabba the Hutt and Glen Beck is a clown in a man suit. Also, Rush Limbaugh has the same first name as the greatest band in the known universe, which really pisses me off.

So instead of debating their ideas on a civil level, you've chosen to attack their credibiliity based on their looks and what you believe is their personal behavior. Any credibility you had (which you are sorely lacking to begin with), is now gone.

Come back when you have some credible basis for your dislike of conservaties and conservatism.

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at September 15, 2009 3:48 PM

okay, fuck you i am not a lesbian. i am polysexual, as i have previously stated. thank you very much for insulting me in this way. I do not hate anybody with a male appendage - my best friend is male, and polysexual means that i like men too.
Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:42 PM

you are a lesbian, or at best "bisexual"(though i doubt any man would touch you until you shave your pits and legs and maybe douche), you can call yourself "polysexual" if you like, just like i'm the emperor of mars.

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 3:48 PM

RE: Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:42 PM

"okay, fuck you i am not a lesbian....."

No thanks, honey.

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 3:48 PM

Fuck you, Evil Otto.
I'm not an opinionated person, I just get angry when some holier-than-thou motherfucker tries to explain why he isn't a holier-than-thou motherfucker with incredibly long, snarky comments that list my alleged inadequacies.

Seriously, this is like trying to have a discussion with my brother when he reveals what a bigoted arsehole he is and starts acting like a 5-year old.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 3:48 PM

Thought you were done here, Joker.

That's also typical of the troll. Claim you're leaving, then keep reading and responding.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 3:49 PM

Maybe Joker and Aquatard are miffed because ACORN won't be able to hook them up with those underage Salvadoran prostitutes they were promised.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 3:50 PM

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 3:48 PM

no, you arrogant prick, i am polysexual. i am not a lesbian. and i am not bisexual. i am polysexual. i know what i like and how ,i>dare you assume that i am ugly or anything of the like.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:52 PM

So instead of debating their ideas on a civil level, you've chosen to attack their credibiliity based on their looks and what you believe is their personal behavior
AmericanToTheCore

I'm sorry, have seen Glen Beck on TV?
The man is a freak!

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 3:53 PM

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 3:49 PM

oh, just go off and wank, 'Evil Otto'.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:54 PM

The Jackass,

You are SEXUALLY CONFUSED. It's a perversion. I know this is difficult for you to accept, but it's the truth. Your sexual confusion is NOT normal.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 3:54 PM

I'm so bored with this now, let's discuss King Crimson and ELP

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 3:55 PM

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 3:54 PM

i really don't know how to keep proving the point that i am not sexually confused, seeing as i know what sexuality i am. that's kind of the opposite of confusion.

seriously, how old are you?

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:56 PM

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:46 PM

Some times even later than that.

"also; old ladies to beat up? who the fuck does that? because I sure as hell don't."

Then why bother to respond, Joker. Feeling guilty are we JOKE?! It's your kind that does that, I have seen it on films!!

Who said anything about a web site? Better thing to do? You idiots are here aren't you?

So you and Aquapenis know each other? Lovers?

Like I said go back to where you came from. You guy lack the common sense to even be here. You are nothing but condescending sheep like college boys.

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 3:58 PM

"...excuse me? how the fuck am i sexually confused? and how the hell does that make me a pervert? there's nothing wrong with being attracted to both sexes. and there never has and never will be."

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:48 PM

WRONG. It's a perversion and it is sick. You are SEXUALLY CONFUSED. I suspect your confusion doesn't end there. It clearly extends into politics, history and your very understanding of the World.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 3:59 PM

no, you arrogant prick, i am polysexual. i am not a lesbian. and i am not bisexual. i am polysexual. i know what i like and how ,i>dare you assume that i am ugly or anything of the like.
Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 3:52 PM

from wikipedia(libtard favorite source):
Polysexuality refers to people who are attracted to more than one gender or sex but do not wish to identify as bisexual because it implies that there are only two binary genders or sexes.
Polysexuality is a self-identifying term that is somewhat amorphous, as there is a wide variety of different people who use the term to describe themselves.

so either you are a "bisexual", a "lesbian", or there is some 3rd sex out there beyond "male" and "female" which has yet to be discovered, these are rhetorical suppositions on my part, the truth is that "polysexual" is just a make-believe term one applies to oneself to boost their otherwise low self-esteem. my assumption of your physical character is merely a reflection of your "intellectual" character revealed by your posts, take a fucking bath.

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 3:59 PM

I'm sorry, have seen Glenn Beck on TV? The man is a freak!

He's a bit over-the-top sometimes, that I'll admit... but you have yet to have a credible reason (even ONE) to dislike him. I don't think you've ever really watched his show. Go go talking points...:

Rush Limbaugh is an overweight alcoholic who hates black people.
Glenn Beck is an alcoholic who raped and murdered a minor.
Sean Hannity has the mannerisms of a pedophile and enjoys sodomy.

No substance, pure bull. Leftist drones, marching to the orders of the supreme leader... he who makes all decisions and guides all thoughts... without him, you'd be lost.

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at September 15, 2009 3:59 PM

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 3:58 PM

no, douche, AQUATARKUS [really, you don't seem to be very good at spelling] is my friend.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:00 PM

Fuck you, Evil Otto.

Heh heh heh.

I'm not an opinionated person,

Oh, of course you aren't. Opinions are for other people.

Who are you kidding? You can lie to me, but don't like to yourself.

I just get angry when some holier-than-thou motherfucker tries to explain why he isn't a holier-than-thou motherfucker with incredibly long, snarky comments that list my alleged inadequacies.

Aww, poor baby. Want a cookie?

You came in here thinking you'd toss around a few ill-considered opinions and have a few laughs pissing off the commenters here and instead got your "arse" handed to you. I can understand why you're so angry. You're a hypocrite, and having that pointed out to you tends to make you angry.

Seriously, this is like trying to have a discussion with my brother when he reveals what a bigoted arsehole he is and starts acting like a 5-year old.

"Bigoted." Do I *have* to quote "The Princess Bride" again? I don't like to repeat jokes on the same thread. You keep using words you don't understand.

Look, you're not going to win this. You somehow think that repeatedly telling me that I'm "bigoted" and saying "fuck you" over and over is a substitute for argument. It's not. Your problem is that you don't think, you feel. And thus you can't defend your beliefs in any meaningful way. You've shown what an intolerant, bigoted person you are, and the only way you can deal with it is to accuse others of the same thing.

Now, care to continue? I can keep this up for a lot longer than you can.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 4:02 PM

You are SEXUALLY CONFUSED. It's a perversion. I know this is difficult for you to accept, but it's the truth. Your sexual confusion is NOT normal.
Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin

Fuck you, OK?
This is exactly the kind of singleminded bigotry that Liberals have fought to end, and saying something like that and then calling me and The Joker smug and opinionated is such unbelievable hypocrisy.
I'm offended for another human being, this is what I meant by basic human kindness, something you all seem to lack.
You can call me a pussy or a bleeding heart or a fag, but that won't solve anything.
It just continues an endless cycle of hatred.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 4:03 PM

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 3:59 PM

for the last fucking time; i am polyseuxal. not bi, not lesbian, POLY-FUCKING-SEXUAL.

and honestly? you can make assumptions about how i look all you want, to be fair you don't actually know what i look like. but as far as i can imagine what you look like? you're either some guy in his late 20's/early 30's with a beard and glasses and a ridiculous job that actually makes you want to kill yourself, or you are some nerdy kid who's aroused by the site of Glenn Beck clowning around on the news. Either way; you're not the kind of person i'd be friends with in real life.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:04 PM

oh, just go off and wank, 'Evil Otto'.

Predictable. I knew you were still here. Oh, and I thought you knew when you were too angry?

That much anger and hate, Joker, it's not healthy.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 4:05 PM

You are SEXUALLY CONFUSED. It's a perversion. I know this is difficult for you to accept, but it's the truth. Your sexual confusion is NOT normal.
Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin

Fuck you, OK?
This is exactly the kind of singleminded bigotry that Liberals have fought to end, and saying something like that and then calling me and The Joker smug and opinionated is such unbelievable hypocrisy.
I'm offended for another human being, this is what I meant by basic human kindness, something you all seem to lack.
You can call me a pussy or a bleeding heart or a fag, but that won't solve anything.
It just continues a cycle of hatred that won't end until we all learn to get along.

I'm not going anything else now unless its about ELP or King Crimson or something we can all discuss like sensible people, and I suggest everyone else do the same

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 4:06 PM

I've got to ask--Joker, how did you find this site?

Posted by: Judith M at September 15, 2009 4:07 PM

Posted by: Judith M at September 15, 2009 4:07 PM

my friend Aquatarkus showed it to me. I find it lolsome.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:09 PM

We should have a drinking game with these trolls.

Take 1 drink every time aquatarkus says "fuck you."

Take 1 drink every time he uses the word "bigoted."

Any other suggestions?

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 4:09 PM

you're either some guy in his late 20's/early 30's with a beard
Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:04 PM

early 30's with a beard correct but self-employed lucratively, this works both ways you see, and in real life me and my friends would ridicule you openly to your face as you work the register at mcdonalds, but at a hygienically-safe distance of course don't want to contract any of the manifold diseases your "type" promulgates.

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 4:09 PM

Interesting; leftists are incapable of intelligently discussing economics, conservative philosophy, religion... but they are eminently capable of explaining polysexuality in all of its manifestations.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 4:10 PM

aquatookus,

Throughout most of human history, faggery, lesbianism, bisexuality and transgenderism was rightly considered sick, abnormal and just plain wrong. The idea that these perversions are normal and right, is a relatively new invention.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 4:12 PM

Interesting; leftists are incapable of intelligently discussing economics, conservative philosophy, religion... but they are eminently capable of explaining polysexuality in all of its manifestations
Posted by: V the K

Hey, everyone needs a hobby.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 4:12 PM

So does being polysexual mean you have sex with transsexuals of both types and homosexuals of both types as well as heterosexuals of both types? I'm really trying to figure this label out.

Posted by: Judith M. at September 15, 2009 4:13 PM

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 4:09 PM

work the register at mcdonald's? no fucking thank you. i have my sights set on a history degree, which i am not old enough to get yet. btw - i'm 15. you've been having a fight with a child.

also - Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 4:10 PM

i believe aquatarkus coherently discussed all of those things. and so what if i am capable of explaining what polysexuality is? what does that prove, if anything at all?

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:14 PM

Hey, look, way upthread, at 1:14, aquatarkus gave anony a hand job.....

Posted by: UpNorth at September 15, 2009 4:14 PM

Throughout most of human history, faggery, lesbianism, bisexuality and transgenderism was rightly considered sick, abnormal and just plain wrong. The idea that these perversions are normal and right, is a relatively new invention.
Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin

A relatively new invention, and one I intend to support.
If you don't then that's fine, but I won't tell you what to do if you don't tell me what to do

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 4:15 PM

I think polysexuality is when you have sex with parrots. Oh, wait, that's pollysexuality. Which they're probably into as well. Who are you to judge?!?

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 4:16 PM

Posted by: Judith M. at September 15, 2009 4:13 PM

basically. although that applies to being pansexual also. polysexuals and pansexuals are more attracted to the people themselves, rather than what sex they are/identify as.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:16 PM

"work the register at mcdonald's? no fucking thank you. i have my sights set on a history degree, which i am not old enough to get yet. btw - i'm 15. you've been having a fight with a child."
Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:14 PM

I'm through discussing anything with this sexually confused little Girl. Go back to Romper Room Sweetheart.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 4:17 PM

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 4:16 PM

you see, this just cements your place as a dickhead. why exactly do you feel the need to make fun of my sexuality? does it scare you?

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:18 PM

I think polysexuality is when you have sex with parrots. Oh, wait, that's pollysexuality. Which they're probably into as well. Who are you to judge?!?
Posted by: Evil Otto

Now you're just being a dumbass.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 4:18 PM

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 4:17 PM

I. Am. Not. Sexually. Confused. Can you fucking read? also; why did you just capitalise the word girl?

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:19 PM

work the register at mcdonald's? no fucking thank you. i have my sights set on a history degree, which i am not old enough to get yet. btw - i'm 15.

Ah, that explains it. We've just got a kid here who thinks she's figured out the whole world works.

"I am not young enough to know everything."
-Oscar Wilde

you've been having a fight with a child.

Do you think that your age is a "get out of intelligent thought free" card?

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 4:20 PM

osted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 4:20 PM

not, not at all. agism is ridiculous. i just felt like mentioning it. like some people like to mention how supposedly 'sexually confused' i am.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:22 PM

Ha! Evil Otto's been yelling at a 15 year old!
What an arsehole!

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 4:23 PM

I'm confused. From what I understand a polysexual is someone that's attracted to more than one gender or sex but doesn't want to identify as bisexual because that implies that there are only two genders or sexes.

Is that correct, Joker?

Posted by: Kevin R. at September 15, 2009 4:23 PM

Otto,

It's time to move on, Man. Rational debate or discussion cannot be had with a leftist. Much less a 15 year old, sexually confused leftist.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 4:24 PM

Posted by: Kevin R. at September 15, 2009 4:23 PM

that is correct, yes. spot on, in fact.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:24 PM

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 4:24 PM

Dude, i've had it up to here with you. I am not sexually confused. I am comfortable enough within myself to KNOW what I am, what I like and so forth. I'm sorry that it threatens you. or whatever.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:26 PM

Sexually confused 15 year old. Time to move on folks.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 4:28 PM

you've been having a fight with a child.
Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:14 PM

that you think this is a "fight" is cute, and do you really believe there are more than 2 sexes?

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 4:29 PM

you see, this just cements your place as a dickhead. why exactly do you feel the need to make fun of my sexuality? does it scare you?

Touchy. Very touchy. You're going to have a tough time in life if you get upset every time someone makes a joke about your sexuality, especially given your claim that you're "polysexual." Better get used to it, because a term like that is just begging for mockery.

Now understand: I don't actually care about your sexuality. I don't care that you're female, I don't care about your age. Got it? I only care about whether you can argue, whether you can defend your opinions. This is a political blog, and here we argue POLITICS.

You've shown that you aren't capable of that.

In the words of Dennis Leary, "You don't know shit about shit." You don't know how the real world works, you don't have a clue about politics, and you argue like, well, a fifteen-year-old. Nothing wrong with that... I was the same way at your age. But the first step in wisdom is understanding that. From your first comment here you've acted like a spoiled, petulant brat. And thus you've been treated like one.

If you want to be treated with respect, the first step is showing some.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 4:30 PM

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 4:24 PM

Oh, believe me, I know that. I've been arguing with leftists for years. I mostly do it now just for my own amusement, and to keep myself sharp for debates with people who matter.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 4:32 PM

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 4:29 PM

yes, mini-penis, I do.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 4:30 PM

I show respect to people who show me respect. neither of us have shown each other respect, so i don't really care.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 4:28 PM

I prefer the term Polysexual 15-year-old.


Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:33 PM

Joker, Aqua--as a mother, I have this to say to you two--you are in way over your heads and you're going to get hurt. The regular posters here live for invective and they are VERY, VERY good at it. They aren't going to make you feel good about yourselves, that's for sure. However, if you want to debate some of the big issues of the day with some of the finest debaters around, this is a good place to visit. Just remember to come prepared with facts and sound reasoning.

Posted by: Judith M. at September 15, 2009 4:34 PM

Posted by: Judith M. at September 15, 2009 4:34 PM

I will admit that i am in over my head. Aquatarkus is not, however.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:35 PM

OK then, let's discuss politics.

I'm serious.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 4:36 PM

I spell just fine, JOKEASS!!

It is spelled AQUAPENIS...A Q U A P E N I S!

These are some very sensitive trolls we are dealing with here folks. By there reaction I can deduce that they are some form of liberal homosexual. JOKEASS doesn't like his booty buddy to be called AQUAPENIS. He gets bent out of shape. Anyone notice?

Ya see you STOOOOOOOOOOPUD liberal idiots I'm pissed off. Pissed off at you and your cause. I want to stomp your cause into the ground and restore my country back to it's original greatness. I, We here want to take back this great nation from you shameless GOD less baby killing cultist. Ever since your chocolate LYING ass messiah was ordained by you fuck sticks, you libtard have been infecting the morals and sanctity of America. You are sheeple and can't think for yourselves which is why all you idiots spew the same ol' shit.

I will not be civil today because I DON'T WANT TO!! I am however, quite capable of carrying on an intelligent and civil debate but NOT TODAY!

SO, my cockroach type liberal idiots lets pretend that I turned on the light......SCRAM and SCATTER!!

HA!!!!

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 4:36 PM

I was a bit insane for a while now, but now I'm ready for a serious debate.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 4:38 PM

I show respect to people who show me respect.

Really? You haven't even tried. You've been a spoiled little brat from comment number one. You've brought up your age, your gender, your sexuality when no one asked. You've clearly tried to use them as weapons to get your opponent to shut up. Hasn't worked, has it?

neither of us have shown each other respect, so i don't really care.

Then don't complain when you're treated like you've been treated here. You're simply getting the respect you've earned: none at all.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 4:38 PM

Well, it is good to the book of the club had a high level intellect. Jeesh, 156 comments of nonsense. The initial point of discussion was "what a big thrill Mark Levin is"Historically opposition books always see a sales boost when in the minority. 2000 to 2008 was good example of that. Al Franken, David Sirota, Joe Conason, and Thom Hartman all had successful books. You also saw the rise of the Daily Show, Countdown, and Jones Radio Network (which is conservative owned) shows Ed Schultz, and Stephanie Miller.

So, to my original thought, PACS and think purchase books in bulk for giveaways. The same is done with music and movies with box stores et al. These numbers are reflected in sales, but not actual customer purchases. It is done by liberals and conservatives. So, before you drop your confetti, recognize that the numbers you are witnessing are not necessarily sales.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at September 15, 2009 4:39 PM

pray tell, what is the 3rd sex? and when was it discovered?

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 4:39 PM

The funny thing is, when I was in college, my friends described me as "omnisexual." But I could still hold up a conversation intelligently.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 4:40 PM

No I'm staying, thanks.
Let's have a political discussion.
I won't fly into a Liberal rage if you don't go into Conservative one.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 4:41 PM

Okay, Dave is into the invective, but we could get back to the thread, which is about the obvious public interest in the book by Mark Levin. Unlike Obama's book, which was promoted by Oprah, and Hillary's book, which was guaranteed to be bought by every library in the country because she was a former first lady, Levin's book sold a million copies with no help from the MSM. I think that says something about the the movement of society away from statism and toward a government that is more like the one that was originally created in the US. What do you guys think?

Posted by: Judith M. at September 15, 2009 4:41 PM

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 4:36 PM
Please tell me that was not your post Dave, you generally are ok.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at September 15, 2009 4:41 PM

you people are all tools. this site is fucked up. go get lives...or better yet, brains. a person's sexuality is their business. i firmly believe in everyone being allowed to have their own opinion, but when you go around insulting people for who they are, you just end up sounding like a chauvinistic ass. believe what you will, but do not fucking dare go around telling people they are confused and wrong for being who they are. sure, i am telling you all that you are wrong right now, but i would never insult you for being YOU. it's not my place, and it shouldn't be yours.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 4:43 PM

So, to my original thought, PACS and think purchase books in bulk for giveaways. These numbers are reflected in sales, but not actual customer purchases. It is done by liberals and conservatives.
Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at September 15, 2009 4:39 PM

again i ask, name the last "liberal" book that sold a million copies(using bulk and giveaways if necessary). bonus points for something NOT by barack "i will stand with the muslims" obama.

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 4:43 PM

OK then, let's discuss politics.

I'm serious.

OK, fair enough. As long as you're civil I will be too. And ONLY as long.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 4:43 PM

Geezus Wellstoned, you didn't even have the foresight to add High School and College textbooks, as most of them are EASILY as left as anything written by Thom Hartman, Al FrankNBeans and David Sirota. BTW, when exactly did the rise of Countdown take place in your Bizzaro World?

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 4:44 PM

I don't really care for the Daily Show.
It's basically just 25 minutes of John Stewart making faces and bitching about FOX news.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 4:45 PM

Well, it is good to the book of the club had a high level intellect.

Anyone want to diagram that sentence?

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 4:46 PM

156 comments of nonsense

As opposed to what? "0 Comments" what everyone sees at your pathetic blogspeck? Smaller than a liberal insects penis?

You are a joke, a whore and a lying sack of communist shit. Ho choke on Paul Wellstone's middle finger bone you turd muncher.

Posted by: Doug at September 15, 2009 4:46 PM

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 4:36 PM

actually? Aquatarkus and I are both from the UK. we are not americans and, as such, are not trying to ruin 'your country' as you put it.

also; 'my country's original greatness'? i'd like to point out that 'your country' was founded by people who were too lame to stick it out in this one. also; you stole land from the native americans. technically, it isn't 'yours' at all.

Aqua, Evil Otto, you two can be civil if you want. I'm out; for real this time.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:48 PM

I don't really care for the Daily Show.
It's basically just 25 minutes of John Stewart making faces and bitching about FOX news.

FINALLY, something we can agree on. I've never gotten the appeal of Stewart. I enjoyed Stephen Colbert for a while, but his shtick got old after a while, like a joke repeated over and over for years.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 4:49 PM

I have a question that I'd really like to get the right-wing perspective on:

In what way does Barack Obama support Muslims and why is it cause for concern?

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 4:49 PM

It's basically just 25 minutes of John Stewart making faces and bitching about FOX news.
Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 4:45 PM

yeah agreed, he usually makes the "funny face" when after making some outrageous left-wing attack, i guess he still follows this pattern as his shtick got old around season 2 for me.

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 4:49 PM

okay, no; after /this/ i'm out.

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 4:39 PM

it's Bigender, mini-penis.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:51 PM

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at September 15, 2009 4:41 PM

Pissed Off and hostile, ghost.

I have my reasons.....

Posted by: Doug at September 15, 2009 4:46 PM

Fuck off....

Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 4:43 PM

Fuck off....


Calming down..My apologies to all.

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 4:51 PM

"As opposed to what? "0 Comments" what everyone sees at your pathetic blogspeck? Smaller than a liberal insects penis?"
Posted by: Doug at September 15, 2009 4:46 PM

ROFLMAO. Classic.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 4:51 PM

In what way does Barack Obama support Muslims and why is it cause for concern?
Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 4:49 PM

1. he was raised a muslim, 2. he apologizes to muslims continuously, 3. in his last book he said "i will stand with the muslims etc" 4. and you living in the uk and not being concerned about muslims is shocking seeing as your country is basically a muslim state nowadays.

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 4:53 PM

Joker, Go suck on the Queen's wizened tit you communist bootlicker. That's all you are capable of is SUCKING, you can't even stand on your won two feet like a man you pathetic homo loving jerkoff.

Posted by: Doug at September 15, 2009 4:53 PM

In what way does Barack Obama support Muslims and why is it cause for concern?

I'm not one of these people who thinks he really supports Muslims. I think Obama is an ideologue, and simply supports anyone who can give him more power. He'll say to Muslims that he supports them, then say the opposite to someone else if it suits his purposes.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 4:54 PM

fuck it, i suck [there you go, Doug!] at leaving.

1. I care not for the queen.

2. I am not communist. I am a liberal.

3. I am not a MAN, so therefore feel no need to stand as one.

4. i'm not going to argue with the fact that i am, as you put it, a 'homo-lover'. i have many friends who are gay. i also have many friends who are not. it doesn't really matter if they are gay or not, either way. what they are is not who they are, but i don't have a problem with it regardless.

Posted by: the Joker at September 15, 2009 4:55 PM

aqua,

Obambi has expressed his solidarity with Muslims on several occasions. Most notably in his book Audacity of a Dope, and during his speech in Egypt earlier this year. His friendliness to the IslamoFascist regime in Iran and the animus he displayed towards the pro-democracy movement there suggests that he is predisposed towards Islam, Muslims and even worse, Political Islam.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 4:56 PM

Doug, with these sexual references one might assume you are not getting any lately?

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at September 15, 2009 4:56 PM

It really isn't a Muslim state. It's more secular if anything.

There are some Muslims who are pricks in the same why way that there are plenty of people already living in the UK who are pricks.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 4:57 PM

The theme of this letter is not "Chairwoman The Joker is profoundly hostile to religious tolerance, democracy, and the notion of a secular civil society." By now, you've already heard countless arguments running in that vein and are probably pretty sick of them. The theme of this letter is "I demand an apology from The Joker for his insults." Wait! Before you dismiss me as directionless, hear me out.

I can defend each and every point I've made so far. Or, to express that sentiment without all of the emotionally charged lingo, The Joker believes that he values our perspectives. Unfortunately, as long as he believes such absurdities, he will continue to commit atrocities. He coins polysyllabic neologisms to make his cajoleries sound like they're actually important. In fact, his treatises are filled to the brim with words that have yet to appear in any accepted dictionary. We can quibble about many of the details but we can't quibble about the fundamental fact that we must provide a trenchant analysis of The Joker's memoranda. Let's start by informing people that I can easily see The Joker performing the following meddlesome, misguided acts. First, he will enslave us, suppress our freedom, regiment our lives, confiscate our property, and dictate our values. Then, he will burn our fair cities to the ground. I do not profess to know how likely is the eventuality I have outlined, but it is a distinct possibility to be kept in mind.

The Joker is still going around insisting that he should dismantle national civil rights organizations by driving a wedge between the leaders and the rank-and-file members because "it's the right thing to do". Jeez, I thought I had made it perfectly clear to him that he and his slaves are puppets of rotten, wanton serpents. And here, I feel, lies a clue to the intellectual vacuum so gapingly apparent in his whinges. He says that if he kicks us in the teeth we'll then lick his toes and beg for another kick. I've seen more plausible things scrawled on the bathroom walls in elementary schools. I happen to believe that my cause is to warn the public against those morally repugnant blatherskites whose positive accomplishments are always practically nil but whose conceit can scarcely be excelled. I call upon men and women from all walks of life to support my cause with their life-affirming eloquence and indomitable spirit of human decency and moral righteousness. Only then will the whole world realize that if we fail to turn random, senseless violence into meaningful action then all of our sacrifices will be as forgotten as the sand blowing across Ozymandias's dead empire. The "decay of that colossal wreck," as the poet Shelley puts it, teaches us that The Joker's criticisms have merged with materialism in several interesting ways. Both spring from the same kind of reality-denying mentality. Both let villainous ivory-tower academics run rampant through the streets. And both endorse a complete system of leadership by mobocracy. We must empower the oppressed to control their own lives. We must hold Chairwoman The Joker responsible for the hatred he so furtively expresses. And we must balkanize The Joker's stinking retinue into an etiolated and sapless agglomeration. Please join me in incorporating these words into our living credo.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 4:58 PM

In what way does Barack Obama support Muslims and why is it cause for concern?

I don't think of it in terms of Muslims. I think Obama is an ideological Marxist (and his behavior toward Honduras and his hiring of avowed communist radicals as advisors bears that out), as such, I think he is predisposed to favor anyone who would do damage to the United States and to the Free Market system.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 4:58 PM

Dave,

The Jackass is a sexually confused, 15 year old leftist Girl from Dhimmi Central, AKA the UK. By the time this idiot reaches the age of 40, she'll be braying to Mecca five times daily against her will.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 5:00 PM

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 4:48 PM

"you stole land from the native americans. technically, it isn't 'yours' at all."

WRONG! I come from jewish immagrants...we stole nothing.

I don't want MY country to end up like your muslim pandering country.


Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 5:01 PM

Refuter,

I'm cynical even about that. It's like Obama's attendance of Wright's church for 20 years... no one with any common sense thinks Obama is any kind of real Christian. What Obama worships is power. He will say anything, DO anything to get it and keep it.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 5:01 PM

Forgot to spellcheck....oops.

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 5:01 PM

Liberal Vermin Refuter, I've just raised two teenage boys to adulthood. A lot of fifteen year old girls get into the bisexual thing because it's trendy and hip. Most of them settle out of it once they hit eighteen.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 5:02 PM

"Anyone want to diagram that sentence?"

Not with a ten foot pole! I think it has ebola! Either that, or GoW has been hitting the sauce pretty hard over all the bad news about acorn.

Posted by: Judith M. at September 15, 2009 5:02 PM

What would I do without Mlle Goats of Wailstone to provide me with a non-stop source of disorderly causeries to complain about? What follows is a call to action for those of us who care—a large enough number to carry out the famous French admonition, écrasez l'infâme!, against Goat's epithets. She pretends to put power into the hands of the people while actually destroying our moral fiber. From this anecdotal evidence I would argue that Goatse takes things out of context, twists them around, and then neglects to provide decent referencing so the reader can check up on her. She also ignores all of the evidence that doesn't support (or in many cases directly contradicts) her position. We are indeed living in chthonic times. Okay, that's a slight exaggeration, but you get the drift. In short, I feel we must lead the way to the future, not to the past. I hope other members of the community feel the same.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 5:02 PM

V the K,

You're probably right. However, I am dubious as to the chances of one such as The Jackass outgrowing her ridiculous leftist tendencies. That kind of thing is only reinforced in Secondary School and at the University level. Liberals never grow up. On rare occasions, SOME do come to their senses. David Horowitz is a great example.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 5:05 PM

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 5:02 PM

I am not. fucking. bisexual. it is not something i feel is 'trendy' or 'hip', and i have seen people claim to be bisexual or anything akin to this to be trendy. i'm sure some girls do do this. however; i am not. i have always been how i am now. i cannot, however, claim that i always will be. things change. preferences change. but i am not, and never have, 'done this' to be 'trendy'. I am polysexual because i am. because it is a part of myself and is not something that cannot be controlled. do not assume that you know anything about me because of having rasied your own children. people are all different. children are all different. knowing one does not ensure that you know every one.

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 5:01 PM

i do not claim this country as 'my country'. it is merely the one i live in. and as aquatarkus has previously stated; it is more secular than anything. so what if a fair few muslims live here? a fair few or any race of people live everywhere. it is how it is.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 5:09 PM

Muslims and immigrants aren't the problem in the UK.
The real problem is the British National Party, who are basically like the Nazis.
Their leader is a nasty bastard who looks like a fat Hitler.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 5:10 PM

night folks, gonna watch "i puritani" with the delectable netrebko(who's singing is made up for by her hawtness) have fun with the kids.

Posted by: weewilly at September 15, 2009 5:10 PM

Liberals never grow up. On rare occasions, SOME do come to their senses. David Horowitz is a great example.

Actually, many of them grow up. I was a liberal when I was young. I got better.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 5:11 PM

I am not. bisexual. it is not something i feel is 'trendy' or 'hip'...

Yeah, my son's last gf said the same thing when she was 15.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 5:14 PM

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 5:09 PM

What ever, JOKE. Man up!! These MOOOOSLIMS are taking over your country and you guys just let it happen. Stop being so.....socialist and liberal. It's up to you guys. Do you have the balls? We do in the US, just wait and see in 2010 and 2012.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 5:10 PM

Then stand up!!!! Fight!!!! I already saw video of some of your country men standing up against Palistinian protester. Join them...Isure the hell would.

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 5:17 PM

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 5:14 PM

I honestly could not give a shit about what your son's last girlfriend said when she was fifteen. I am not here, thank god. She has the unpleasant event of meeting you in her mind.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 5:18 PM

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 5:14 PM

I honestly could not give a shit about what your son's last girlfriend said when she was fifteen. I am not her, thank god. She has the unpleasant event of meeting you in her mind.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 5:19 PM

"Muslims and immigrants aren't the problem in the UK."

REALLY??

Is this a problem?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197478/Sharia-law-UK--How-Islam-dispensing-justice-side-British-courts.html

How about this?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/mar/11/muslim-group-anti-war-protests

Or this?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6730192.ece

Or this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7884891.stm

Or this?
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/08/uk-bans-geert-wilders-michael-savage-but-welcomes-senior-muslim-cleric-racist-incitements-that-jews-.html

NONE of this bothers you eh?

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 5:20 PM

Curious thing, though. Note how The Joker slams everyone whom she alleges to be narrow-minded about *her* life experiences. But then she quickly declares *my* life experience as invalid because it doesn't jibe with hers.

Which is pretty typical liberal behavior. Everyone has to be open-minded about *them,* but they reserve for themselves the right to judge and invalidate anyone they disagree with.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 5:21 PM

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 5:17 PM

oh sure, if by 'balls' you mean 'fear and hatred'. if you care about my country so much, why don't you come and fucking 'help' it? because i thought the whole point of founding america was that you didn't care about this one?

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 5:21 PM

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 5:10 PM

Actually, BOTH are real problems.

Islam is not a belief system that supports traditional British ideas of freedom and equality. As the Muslim population grows, you will see more and more restrictions on your freedom, more politicians pandering to the extreme fringes of Islam, like Ken Livingstone.

The British National Party is no more supportive of freedom and equality than Islam, and as the Muslim population grows so with the influence of the fascists. I'm worried that Britain is headed towards a breakdown.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 5:22 PM

I recognize that whimsically manic writing style, but I'm quite sure it did not previously fly under the anonymous flag. Come out, come out, whoever you are!

Posted by: Judith M. at September 15, 2009 5:22 PM

I already saw video of some of your country men standing up against Palistinian protester.
Posted by: Dave

Yeah, I saw videos like that, and it was a ridiculous, racist overreaction to one mans right to protest.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 5:22 PM

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2009 5:21 PM

Curious thing; i wasn't being narrow minded about your life. I was merely saying that what your son's last girlfriend said holds no relevance to me because a. i don't know her and b. we are not the same person and her viewpoints are not the same as mine. i did not, however, say that it was not valid as an experience to you. it just doesn't mean much to me, is all.

however; i do apologise for what i said about her having the unpleasant memory of meeting you. that was both uncalled for and unnecessary.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 5:24 PM

There is absolutely no way the BNP will join forces with Muslims,
they're mortal enemies.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 5:25 PM

because i thought the whole point of founding america was that you didn't care about this one?

Actually, the American Founding Fathers originally didn't want to break away from Britain. They considered themselves British subjects and were loyal to the King. It was only when they realized that the differences were irreconcilable that they chose independence.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 5:26 PM

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 5:26 PM

Fair point. I will admit that i actually do not know a lot about the founding of America, so thank you for pointing that out. I only had the real basic idea.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 5:28 PM

There is absolutely no way the BNP will join forces with Muslims, they're mortal enemies.

No, I'm not saying they'll join. The people who are more and more frightened of the spread of Islam will gravitate towards the BNP. And eventually there will be a crisis as the two clash. THAT is the lesson on Nazi Germany... many people voted Nazi because they were frightened by the communists, not because they believed Hitler. When he took power they realized what he was, but by then it was too late.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 5:29 PM

I gotta post this again, since aquatookus is ignoring it:

"Muslims and immigrants aren't the problem in the UK."
Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 5:10 PM

REALLY??

Is this a problem?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197478/Sharia-law-UK--How-Islam-dispensing-justice-side-British-courts.html

How about this?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/mar/11/muslim-group-anti-war-protests

Or this?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6730192.ece

Or this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7884891.stm

Or this?
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/08/uk-bans-geert-wilders-michael-savage-but-welcomes-senior-muslim-cleric-racist-incitements-that-jews-.html

NONE of this bothers you eh?

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 5:30 PM

Boy you Brits are just a bunch of socialist chickenshits.

I have no sympathy for you girly men at all.

You would tolerate sharia law?

Your socialist liberal pandering views are going to wipe out your culture. Are you Brits that fucking stupid? You guys are the weakest trolls I have ever encountered.

My GOD you guys make the regular trolls here look like conservatives.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 5:22 PM

Hey Meat head!! These guys hate you and you call your own country men racist? Are you serious?

You deserve what you get and then some.

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 5:31 PM

Fair point. I will admit that i actually do not know a lot about the founding of America, so thank you for pointing that out. I only had the real basic idea.

That's OK. Quite frankly, a lot of Americans don't understand that. Too many of our people don't know anything about the Founders.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 5:31 PM

I understand what you mean Evil Otto.
If Muslims do appear to have more influence, certain voters will become agitated and vote for a party that promises to deal with them, such as the BNP.
The same thing happened in Germany between the wars, except it was Jews and the Nazi Party instead of Muslims and the BNP, respectively.

But I can clearly see that Muslims have very little power, and the fact that you believe Muslims have considerable power is just propaganda thats been fed to you, much in the same way the BNP is trying get me to think their way with their propaganda.
They won't get to me, though.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 5:37 PM

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 5:31 PM

quite frankly, Dave, you are as bad at arguing as I am. yes; we call our own countrymen racist if they are racist. being from the same country as somebody does not automatically mean that you are on the same 'side' as them. that man had a right to protest. racists stopped him.

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 5:37 PM

Dave:
Theres far more to Sharia Law than beating criminals, it covers all aspects of law (property, marriage), you just never hear about all the good parts of Sharia Law because the media knows its not nearly as entertaining as watching a criminal being publicly stoned (not in that way).

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 5:42 PM

It's not about right now, aqua. I understand that Muslims have little power right now. I'm talking decades down the road, as Muslim birthrates and immigration begin to swell their numbers. And since Islam isn't like Christianity (once you're a Muslim you can't leave the faith), it will be a potent force in the future.

And Britain is in better shape than many nations... some countries in the EU have much higher immigration rates combined with low birth rates. Europe may be looking at civil war in a few decades.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 5:44 PM

Theres far more to Sharia Law than beating criminals, it covers all aspects of law (property, marriage), you just never hear about all the good parts of Sharia Law because the media knows its not nearly as entertaining as watching a criminal being publicly stoned (not in that way).

Sharia is not compatible with the British legal tradition. If you're going to keep your country together, Sharia must NOT be tolerated, now or in the future. British Muslims must understand that they are bound by your laws and ONLY your laws.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 5:47 PM

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 5:42 PM

Posted by: The Joker at September 15, 2009 5:37 PM

Both of you are as blind as bats.

Joker, I was talking about a large group of Palistinians protest Israel and your government.

Aqua, Sharia law would take away much of what freedom you have left.

I'm off......until we meet again.

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 5:47 PM

"Dave:
Theres far more to Sharia Law than beating criminals, it covers all aspects of law (property, marriage), you just never hear about all the good parts of Sharia Law because the media knows its not nearly as entertaining as watching a criminal being publicly stoned (not in that way)."

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 5:42 PM

This idiot actually embraces the sharia law that will eventually doom his country, it's culture and it's people. He also embraces his future status as a Dhimmi fool. There is LITERALLY, no hope for such breathtaking and suicidal ignorance.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 5:47 PM

And another thing aquatookus,

Earlier, you expressed your solidarity with Faggery, Lesbianism, Bisexuality and Transgenderism. How tolerant do you think the UK Muslims are of those things? What chances do faggery, lesbianism, bisexuality and transgenderism have under the Sharia law you say is beautiful?

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 5:51 PM

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 5:47 PM

Can you believe these guys? I am amazed!

I thought the Brits had more pride than this.

My GOD!

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 5:53 PM

I'm curious, Otto, are you aware of any country with a majority Muslim population that is not a theocracy?

Posted by: Judith M. at September 15, 2009 5:54 PM

In all honesty, the real problem in Britain are militants.
The kind of people who are so bothered by immigrants that they decide violent protest is the only solution.
Immigrants really don't bother me, they're just people who've had to flee their countries because they were turning to crap.
We have no right to demonise them, they're victims.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 5:54 PM

Dave,

aquatookus is ignoring us now. We've asked him too many uncomfortable questions he's incapable of answering. If he and his sexually confused friend The Jackass, are the future of (Once) Great Britain, then the future for that country is indeed VERY bleak.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 5:57 PM

Refuter of Liberal Vermin:
At no point in that comment did I suggest I would accept Sharia Law.
I said it has its good points, but we only ever hear the bad ones.

Don't twist my words.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 5:57 PM

You know, I've about had it with liberals pretending that they're so smart and we're so stupid. It's to the point that I feel sorry for whatever mental illness turns their minds into newspeak doublethink. I literally cannot imagine what terror simply waking must unleash upon them.

I went to college with these leftists. While they squandered opportunity in mindless cultural studies classes, I actually earned my math/science degree. While they damaged their barely functioning brains in binge drinking rituals, I worked hard at a part-time job. While they ridiculed my country for their own failures, I was responsible to the degree I had control.

This year, I've read more books than I have since graduating. I was afraid of another depression, so I read three books on the subject. I wanted to learn more about investing, so I read two more books on it. I also read Beck's global warming book and Levin's manifesto. I reread 1984 and Animal Farm too.

I tell you, "moonbat math" is a perfect way to describe the tenuous grasp on the concept of time that some of these people have.

As a single homeowner, I don't make demands of a landlord, I do it myself and without the benefit of an $8000 handout. I do what I can to maintain the late model American car that takes me too and from work 51 weeks each year. And that part-time job I had in college? I still have it. It helps me save and be able to donate toys at Christmas. This year I managed a stock portfolio, learned firearms safety, and attended a tea party too.

So, excuse me if I don't funnel enough of my time or money into printed tirades of the Marxists, Communists, Statists, Narcissists, Racists, and Hoplophobes your side is defined by.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 5:58 PM

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 5:54 PM

The real problem is people like you who allow this shit to happen to their country.
Do us all a favor and stay out of the US. Not all Brits but ones that think like you.

Not in America!!!

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 5:58 PM

"At no point in that comment did I suggest I would accept Sharia Law.
I said it has its good points, but we only ever hear the bad ones.

Don't twist my words."

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 5:57 PM

You are a CLASSIC Dhimmi. Your assertion that there are beautiful things about Sharia Law proves it. Don't address me until you Man up and respond to the difficult and valid questions I have posed to you.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 6:02 PM

I'm not ignoring you, you're just asking scaremongering questions to try to piss me off and get an angry response.

I'll ask you this: who are you going to trust when it comes British current events?
The rumour-like version of events that spreads from news source to news source, or the words of someone who actually lives in Britain and is debating with you right now?

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:03 PM

No response until you answer my questions, all of which are VERY valid.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 6:05 PM

Just be careful aquatarkus. We are a country of immigrants and the reason it's worked well for this many years is that historically, immigrants have embraced the values that this country was founded on. That's not to say immigrants are expected to give up their culture, to the contrary, they simply must accept that others have the right to maintain their religious beliefs and traditions as much as they do. Where we have had problems is when Muslims come here from war torn countries and try to recreate the very environment they escaped from. That's not good for anyone.

Posted by: Judith M. at September 15, 2009 6:06 PM

Anonymous:
Not everyone has had the good fortune and motivation to become as self-sufficient as you can afford be.
Some people have had really bad luck or can't look after themselves.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:08 PM

I'm curious, Otto, are you aware of any country with a majority Muslim population that is not a theocracy?

Most have theocratic elements, but not all are theocracies. The vast majority are simply corrupt "thug-ocracies" ruled by dictators. Even nations like Indonesia or Turkey have difficulties with fanatic Muslims wanting to introduce elements of Sharia into their law. Turkey has only been successful in stopping this by being ruthless in enforcing secularism, and even then they are engaged in a constant struggle.

Regarding militants, the problem is deeper than that. Remember, Islam is both a religion *and* a political system. It allows no one to leave, and does not recognize democracy or any law that is not Islamic. Unless nations with large numbers of Muslim immigrants DEMAND that those immigrants follow that nation's secular laws, there is going to be great trouble in the future. And when I say demand, I mean that Muslims must support democracy. Any Muslim immigrant who does not should be ejected without ceremony.

Here in the US, we've always had huge numbers of immigrants, but most have assimilated very well because they wanted to be Americans, not Chinese-living-in-America or Germans-living-in-America. Generally within a generation or two the immigrants were fully Americanized. Part of the problem with Muslim immigration in Britain and Europe is that few people are DEMANDING that the immigrants assimilate and become real members of their countries first and foremost. France, for example, has allowed in huge numbers of African Muslims and then stuck them in "no-go" zones where they suffer from high unemployment and few opportunities. That is prime breeding ground for fanatics. If you want to see the future of unchecked Muslim immigration, look at the riots that have become a common occurrence in France and other countries.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 6:11 PM

Judith M.:
You say immigrants to America have all successfully integrated into the culture, but what about the first few groups of immigrants?
Didn't they kill the original population and cover the land in their industry?
Surely they were as bad as you believe Muslim immigrants are now?

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:12 PM

Good gawd I'm glad my dinner was virtuous, these dumbasses certainly haven't been.

Joker, I realize you're 15 and think you know how the world works. You don't. Just trust me.

Aqua, I don't think you've expressed an opinion yet, just been contradictory. It's not the same thing. There is nothing good about Sharia law. It treats women as property and there is no credible form of contract.

Example: A man could walk into a room full of women and rape them at his leisure. There would be no recourse, as women are not considered competent witnesses. In fact, the women would most likely be executed for having dishonored their families.

It's good in a way that you've convinced this sexually confused young lady that you have the keys to the kingdom, but don't try to convince us; you're way out of your depth.

Also I'd go for King Crimson over ELP any day.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at September 15, 2009 6:15 PM

We do have very strict procedures to make sure immigrants ingratiate into British culture, although these procedures are quite patronising.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:16 PM

I'm being contradictory because I'm a Liberal and you're all Conservatives - that's what we do, we have opposing ideologies, I'm not going to agree with everything you say and won't agree with everything I say.

I also prefer King Crimson.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:20 PM

Not everyone has had the good fortune and motivation to become as self-sufficient as you can afford be.

We are all afforded the same opportunity. Just because you choose not to be motivated by the American dream of self-reliance and responsibility (sometimes referred to as maturing), does not mean that we need to make up for your insufficiency. Equality of opportunity, not to equal outcomes. Outcomes are defined by your willingness/determination to succeed and you are arguing on the behalf of those who expect handouts. Sigh.

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at September 15, 2009 6:21 PM

We do have very strict procedures to make sure immigrants integrate into British culture, although these procedures are quite pandering.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:16 PM


Fixed that for ya'!

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 6:22 PM

Aqua,

I've been following the news. Britain has a huge problem with imams preaching hatred and defiance of British secular laws. You have problems with honor killings, so-called "female circumcision, and Muslims sending their children back home to be educated and sometimes married off against their will. The procedures are only worthwhile if followed by ruthless enforcement, and your nation has been extremely lax in that regard. It's going to come back and bite you.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 6:26 PM

Equality of opportunity is a myth.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:26 PM

Equality of outcomes is a myth.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 15, 2009 6:28 PM

You go Refuter, I'm going to bed.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at September 15, 2009 6:30 PM

Evil Otto:

Again, thats just the propaganda you've been fed.
I've seen the way American news is designed to make you frightened and British news is going the same way, which is why I don't watch it anymore.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:30 PM

I'm being contradictory because I'm a Liberal and you're all Conservatives

I'm generally libertarian, much more than conservative. While we have some things in common with conservatism, we disagree on other issues.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 6:31 PM

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 6:26 PM

Exactly......

What these guys fail to see is that there culture is going to be bred out of exhistance.

I call it a "fucking" crusade.

Not in America!

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 6:32 PM

RE: Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:12 PM

"Didn't they kill the original population and cover the land in their industry?
Surely they were as bad as you believe Muslim immigrants are now?"

As a rule, no - Native Americans are still here today, and many assimilated.

There were definitely some injustices done, starting with the early Spanish colonization. The Spanish were probably the worst, and committed outright genocide in Central America.

The Native Americans, aka "Indians", also used to fight among themselves quite a bit, to the point of being genocidal. We also had slavery on these shores long before the Europeans got here.

A lot of emphasis is put on the "Indian Wars" during the "Westward Expansion" period. The Indians committed quite a few aggressive acts that contributed to this as well, so it's not as clear-cut as you may think.

There's more, but that's as condensed as I can make it.

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 6:33 PM

Again, thats just the propaganda you've been fed.

Dude, I'm reading YOUR NEWSPAPERS online, watching BBC America. If it's propaganda, it's your own country propagandizing against itself. And if that is the case, then how do you know there isn;t a problem?

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 6:34 PM

Am I right to believe that Libertarianism is basically the belief that an individual can do whatever they want, whenever they want?

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:35 PM

Dave:

I don't care for British culture. It's all about believing Britain has the right to conquer anywhere else in the world, and that's just bollocks.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:38 PM

RE: Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:35 PM

If you take the word at face value, yes. In it's extreme form, it is anarchy.

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 6:39 PM

Not everyone has had the good fortune and motivation to become as self-sufficient as you can afford be. Some people have had really bad luck or can't look after themselves.

I know, that's why I donate to causes throughout the year, from the local ambulance to toys for tots. If government health insurance raises my taxes or cap and trade puts me out of a job, I may not be able to keep doing it.

My points were that educated conservatives are not the oxymorons the left makes us out to be and that some of us just don't have the time, let alone inclination, to read the stark raving luncacy that passes for liberal literature.

I want you to watch this video about American exceptionalism and tell me why you have such a deep-seated hostility for what America, even with all its faults, represents to alot of Americans including many posters on this blog.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 6:40 PM

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:38 PM

You are one sick puppy......

What do you care for?

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 6:42 PM

Am I right to believe that Libertarianism is basically the belief that an individual can do whatever they want, whenever they want?

No, that's anarchism, although some extreme libertarians flirt with anarchism. Libertarianism is a spectrum going from generally conservative on governmental issues to frothing nutcases who want to do away with the government. In general, though, libertarianism holds that the government should be kept to a bare minimum of Constitutional powers and no more. In other words, if it isn't in the Constitution, the government can't do it. Period.

Most libertarians are free-market capitalists, are against government social programs, against restrictions on gun ownership, and feel the government has no right to try to interfere with society. The government's purpose is to enforce the law, defend the nation, and mediate in interstate conflicts, and that's it.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 6:44 PM

I know you all really hate me, but if I wasn't here you'd all just be quietly agreeing with each other, which would be boring for everyone.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:44 PM

Aqua, I live in Minnesota, and we have a rather large Native population, so no, they were not all killed by early settlers. And here's something you probably didn't know, many tribes or bands, are sovereign nations, which means they have their own court systems and governments, that are separate from legal system of this country. They also have a monopoly over the Casino industry in this state. Oh, and I forgot to mention, they are a fairly large employer in this area and it is perfectly legal for them to discriminate based on race (they call it the "Ojibwe Band Preference") but they cannot be discriminated against by anyone else. Does that really sound like they are being downtrodden by the white man to you?

Posted by: Judith M. at September 15, 2009 6:46 PM

Evil Otto:

The way you described Libertarianism actually makes it sound quite good and tha it might work.

But so many people have told me that Libertarianism is all behaving like an inconsiderate jackoff.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:48 PM

Look, I don't hate you... I just hated the attitude you copped when you came in here. Since you've dropped the attitude, I'm cool.

That being said, I really need to be doing other things. Catch you all later. If you have any more questions, aqua, hit my blog (which I hardly ever update) and I'll answer them.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 6:49 PM

But so many people have told me that Libertarianism is all behaving like an inconsiderate jackoff.

Well, the truth is that there are a LOT of libertarians who are, well, jackoffs. In fact, fairly well known joke says that the problem with libertarianism is that it's filled with libertarians.

Posted by: Evil Otto at September 15, 2009 6:52 PM

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:44 PM

Naahh....I don't hate you but you do amaze with your views. Yea i was pissed off when I first came hear but I have mellowed.

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 6:53 PM

Does that really sound like they are being downtrodden by the white man to you?
Posted by: Judith M.

Maybe not these days.
But from about 1650 to 1900, then they definately have been.

I think white people have been determined to spread misery everywhere they go.
Maybe not these days.
But from 1492 to 1976, then they definately have been.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:53 PM

Whoa!

Posted by: cowlove at September 15, 2009 6:53 PM

I think white people have been determined to spread misery everywhere they go. Maybe not these days. But from 1492 to 1976, then they definately [sic] have been.

If anyone would like to see an example of true, pure racism, here it is. Ugh.

Do you see how you speak with such absolutes about something so volatile, with so many variables, interpretations, and points of discussion? Such poverty of thought, it's a shame.

Posted by: cowlove at September 15, 2009 6:57 PM

Shit! I just realised its 3 in the damned morning here!
I should go to bed.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:58 PM

cowlove:

Oh come on, even the briefest glance at any history book will show you white people have been fucking things up all over the world since the late 15th century.

I'm white, just in case you were thinking of calling me a racist.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 7:02 PM

You really don't know much about Native culture, do you? BELIEVE ME, the Natives were not placid victims who didn't stand a chance against the white man. Their savagery on numerous occasions would make your hair stand on end.

Posted by: Judith M. at September 15, 2009 7:03 PM

But Native Americas didn't have guns or gunpowder....

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 7:04 PM

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 7:04 PM

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 7:12 PM

Wow, the last 6 hours have really flown by.
This has been very interesting, but I have to go bed because its 3:15 in the morning.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 7:13 PM

I'm white, just in case you were thinking of calling me a racist.

I don't think I need to call you one. Statements like this sort of hammer the point home, especially alongside your most recent comments.

Posted by: cowlove at September 15, 2009 7:13 PM

cowlove he doesn't consider himself a racist because he thinks its OK for MOOOOOOOOSLIMS to impose their will on his country.

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 7:17 PM

Darn, I didn't get a chance to tell Aqua the Natives often fought with guns and gun powder before he went to bed!

Posted by: Judith M. at September 15, 2009 7:20 PM

He was tryin' to press buttons.......looked like a school kid with an assignment to go out and investigate those rabid Right Wingers....


No, wait....that's Wellstone.....

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 7:22 PM

Judith M.


This guys has got to be a youngster by reading his posts. No one could be that naive.

Wait a minute.......yea they can.

Posted by: Dave at September 15, 2009 7:23 PM

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 6:44 PM

To think that we hate you means that you must think that we give a damn about you in the first place.

You're just another uninformed Leftist and a non-American Leftist, at that.

Annoy your fellow Brits. We're filled to the brim with fucked up Socialists like you, here.

Posted by: SK at September 15, 2009 7:26 PM

Judith .....so you're from Minnesnowta?

I have friends in New Ulm. Nice place to visit, in spite of the monter-sized skeeters.

Have an August Schell or a Grain Belt for me!!


And this makes it......300!!

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 7:28 PM

300 comments on what I thought was a throwaway post. Dammmmmmm!

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 15, 2009 7:28 PM

303, Gregory.....SK, aka "Animal Mother" snaked me out of the 300 spot......

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 7:31 PM

cowlove:
Oh come on, even the briefest glance at any history book will show you white people have been fucking things up all over the world since the late 15th century.
I'm white, just in case you were thinking of calling me a racist.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 7:02 PM


And if "white people" hadn't done it, you think some other "ethnic group" woudn't have?

That is very naive. VERY naive.

Posted by: Jimbo at September 15, 2009 7:33 PM

Dave, Joker is only 15, so Aquatarkus is probably not much older since they are friends (at least I HOPE he's not much older!). The poor kids have clearly been fed a steady diet of BS, so I hope some good healthy debate here provides something of an antidote to it.

Yes, Tony! I'm from Central Minnesota, Brainerd to be exact. I've never been to New Ulm, but I understand it's a nice place. This beer's for you, my friend!

Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 7:36 PM

Oops, anon was me.

Posted by: Judith M. at September 15, 2009 7:44 PM

This thread was a yummy box of doughnuts for sure. MMM MMM GOOD! Proves what I've said before...a conservative will tell you what they think, a liberal will tell you what you think. BTW, I must be a monosexual because debating with libs usually ends with me being told to go fuck myself.

Posted by: Gregory of Prescott at September 15, 2009 7:52 PM

Posted by: TonyD95B at September 15, 2009 7:31 PM

I am surprised someone remembered my nickname. ;-)

Private Eightball: Believe it or not, but under fire, Animal Mother can be a wonderful human being. All he needs is somebody throwing grenades at him for the end of his life.

Posted by: SK at September 15, 2009 7:56 PM

It's the moonbat math that has them so infuriated. LOL!

Posted by: J at September 16, 2009 12:48 AM

Way 2 go Mark! Great book! w0o0o0ot!

Posted by: 3bus at September 16, 2009 4:49 AM

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 15, 2009 1:42 PM

Its because neary every conservative still lives in fucking 1937 and only a handful of you have discovered TV

But don't conservatives get all our opinions from Faux News? That's pretty impressive since we haven't discovered TV.

It's almost as impressive as how selling 1 million copies of a conservative book shows that the free market doesn't like the book and it's not profitable, and how books written by liberals that are popular but sell less copies than the conservative book prove that liberal writers are more popular, as your Anonymous mate seems to think.

YOU. FAIL.

and even fewer have discovered the internet

...he posted, on the conservative internet site with millions of hits.

Quick question, which of the following are only famous because of their web sites:

Arianna Huffington / Michelle Malkin

Matt Drudge / Jon Stewart / any other liberal commentator you tards mentioned in this thread

You. FAIL. Again

Posted by: mandible claw at September 18, 2009 3:10 AM

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