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July 28, 2009

ObamaCare Will Rid Us of Useless Eaters

The defeat of Nazi Germany was a big setback for the progressive cause, but under Chairman Zero, it's making up ground fast. A key player in his bid to seize control of the healthcare industry is Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of top teleprompter programmer Rahm "Dead Fish" Emanuel. Ezekiel

wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their patients and consider social justice, such as whether the money could be better spent on somebody else.
Many doctors are horrified by this notion; they'll tell you that a doctor's job is to achieve social justice one patient at a time.
Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens … An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96).
Translation: Don't give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson's or a child with cerebral palsy.

Here's how Ezekiel defends denying healthcare to the elderly:

Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years (Lancet, Jan. 31).

You had your chance to be young. Now you're done paying taxes so die already.

Welcome to Logan's Run.

Ezekiel-Emanuel.jpg
Emanuel has found a final solution to old age.

On a tip from BURNING HOT. Hat tips: Gateway Pundit, Rosita the Prole.

Posted by Van Helsing at July 28, 2009 7:19 AM

Comments

Not in America. I predict someone in power very high up will end up with a large caliber round in their skull before shit like this has a chance to see daylight.

Posted by: Worst of Gallstone at July 28, 2009 7:33 AM

I would be happy to supply that large caliber round.

Posted by: Son of Taz at July 28, 2009 7:42 AM

And just so you know who did this first…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4


Not in America.

well we did do it till the 70s, then stopped, and now we are going to do it again, so it has already been here to america!!!

in fact abortion is a large part of the program.

"The most merciful thing a large family can do to one of its infant members is to kill it." -- Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race, (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)
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"Birth control: to create a race of thoroughbreds." -- Margaret Sanger, Birth Control Review, November 1921, (vol. V, no. 11); p.2.
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"More children from the fit, less from the unfit—that is the chief aim of birth control." -- Margaret Sanger, Birth Control Review, May 1919 (vol. III, no. 5); p.12.
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"The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." -- Margaret Sanger, letter to Clarence Gamble, Dec. 10,1939. - Sanger manuscripts, Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College. (Dec. 10 is the correct date of the letter. There is a different date circulated, e.g. Oct. 19, 1939; but Dec. 10 is the correct date of Ms Sanger's letter to Mr. Gamble.)


hitlers people wrote to her people (not her directly), before they implemented action t4

later action t14 would come...

i will let those who dont know history to look it up.

Posted by: Artfldgr at July 28, 2009 7:47 AM

and the lunatic fringe come out of the woodwork to weigh in... you guys ever get sick of being afraid of shadows? Ohhhh... communism! hitler! space-based moose attacks! BE VERY AFRIAD!!!

abortion is useful in many cases. it is legal. and it will remain that way. try discussing the relative fiduciary merits of the public healthcare option instead of raving nonsense about abortion, and people *might* be more willing to engage with you rather than just wandering by to laugh.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 28, 2009 7:54 AM

Right out of Atlas Shrugged with the 'social justice' nonsense. These people are evil. Health care is the line in the sand. If the dems shove this crap down our throats they will be committing political suicide.

BTW, abortion may be legal, but I do not wish to pay for it. Are you willing to make me?

Posted by: fugazi at July 28, 2009 8:05 AM

Fiduciary?!? Do you mean that one has a fiduciary obligation to the rest of society to forego medical treatment because that society has determined that you are less worthy to traetment than some other part of society? Is it the elite of society going to make that determination? Like Rahm and Ezekiel?

To use your own phrasing, that's raving nonsense. It would be laughable too if it weren't so frightening and there weren't fools like you buying into it.


Posted by: Bob at July 28, 2009 8:07 AM

It wont be so bad as long as its like SOYLENT GREEN where Sol Roth went to the arena, drank a tasty brew, listened to some nice classical music while watching an IMAX like movie while being bathed in a nice orange light, then just faded away....... Really is that so bad?

Now if its like LOGANS RUN where you get shot with high powered laser beams and burst into flames, that would really suck. To the nth degree even. What if the targeting scanner is on the fritz and it just wings you - 3,5,10 times or more before they get a solid kill shot?

Posted by: William R. Simonson - Soylent BOD at July 28, 2009 8:13 AM

abortion is useful in many cases. it is legal. and it will remain that way. try discussing the relative fiduciary merits of the public healthcare option instead of raving nonsense about abortion, and people *might* be more willing to engage with you rather than just wandering by to laugh.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 28, 2009 7:54 AM

which are these "many cases" in which you point to? last time i saw some figures on this 99.9% of abortions had nothing to do with the "mothers health", but i'll agree it's legal..for now, the left and their trolls seem to think the american people support abortion, which they do, but only for the .01% of the cases where it takes place because of rape/health of the mother, the public doesn't accept late-term murders or abortion-on-demand funded out of their pockets.

Posted by: weewilly at July 28, 2009 8:19 AM

'The relative fiduciary merits of the public option'.

1. Private insurance will be eliminated within 7-10 years.
2. Illegal aliens will be covered.
3. Young healthy people will be forced, at the point of a gun, to buy insurance they do not want or need.
4. Abortions will be covered with taxpayer money.
5. Old people will be 'rationed' into the grave.
6. Medical records will be seized by the federal government in direct violation of the fourth amendment (illegal search and seizure.)
7. Massive layers of government beancounters and paper pushers will drive the cost of everything through the roof (see: public education)

Posted by: fugazi at July 28, 2009 8:19 AM

Kind of like the movie LOGANS RUN where people who reach the age of 30 are eliminated in a murderous games if they dont end up as runers chased by the SANDMEN

Posted by: SPURWING PLOVER at July 28, 2009 8:21 AM

Anytime the phrase "social justice" is used, you know that the idea being put forth is crap.

Posted by: J at July 28, 2009 8:51 AM

Sounds to me like Zeke's losing his marbles. Guess it's time to pull the plug...

Posted by: lambchops at July 28, 2009 9:16 AM

That's it in a nutshell. When the government is in charge everything is based on politics, even whether you live or die.

Posted by: Kevin R at July 28, 2009 10:06 AM

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have."

- Gerald Ford, closing remarks of the Republican National Convention of 1996, held in San Diego, California.

"Governments show thus how successfully men can be imposed on, even impose on themselves, for their own advantage. It is excellent, we must all allow. Yet this government never of itself furthered any enterprise, but by the alacrity with which it got out of its way. It does not keep the country free. It does not settle the West. It does not educate. The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way."

- Henry David Thoreau

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at July 28, 2009 10:17 AM

Granted, the statement that Ford made (my post above) was quoted from Thomas Jefferson.

Sorry about the confusion

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at July 28, 2009 10:19 AM

Count on running. More like rushing, that way the opponent is off guard.
We surround them.

Posted by: czuch at July 28, 2009 10:24 AM

I notice that Mr. Emanuel has 'imperfect' vision. Paying for examinations, corrective lenses, etc. has probably cost society multiple thousands of dollars over his life so far, money that could have been better spent on younger or better-sighted citizens. It would be only just to reduce by a corresponding amount the age at which he becomes ineligible for any medical treatment beyond pain pills. Shall we say -- six months? Show of hands? Carried. Next case...

Posted by: RNB at July 28, 2009 10:58 AM

ar you people all missing key lobes of the brain? every time the government does anything, the irrational-right complains about how inefficient and evil and awful it is... But lets all use our brains for a sec here, please:

Social Security. Stated goal - reduce poverty among the elderly. Effect: REDUCED POVERTY AMONG THE ELDERLY.

Medicare. Stated goal - Provide workable insurance for those in need, maintained by the government. Effect: PROVIDES INSURANCE FOR THOSE IN NEED.

And here's the really telling one: the far-right uses "Our Troops" in every sentence when it suits their purposes. Who is it that administers and provides the insurance for our troops? (It is the government. It is a PUBLIC OPTION. The government already does this for the troops.) Uh... you saying that it is good enough for the troops, but not for you? Weird stuff...

Posted by: Anonymous at July 28, 2009 11:18 AM

Fugazi -

"'The relative fiduciary merits of the public option'.

1. Private insurance will be eliminated within 7-10 years.
2. Illegal aliens will be covered.
3. Young healthy people will be forced, at the point of a gun, to buy insurance they do not want or need.
4. Abortions will be covered with taxpayer money.
5. Old people will be 'rationed' into the grave.
6. Medical records will be seized by the federal government in direct violation of the fourth amendment (illegal search and seizure.)
7. Massive layers of government beancounters and paper pushers will drive the cost of everything through the roof (see: public education)"

1. only private insurance that does not adapt to provide the same level of coverage at reduced rates. competiton sdidnt kill the airlines, and i would rather fly southwest of jetblue than united or aerican... there will just be new firms. new jobs. new business.

2. so what? if they dont have to use emergency rooms it SAVES $. prevention costs less than emergency care. documented fact.

3. just like the pointless car insurance they have to buy. it will be cheap as they want it to be. who cares?

4. Yup, as they should be. those abortions would turn into people that need health care. you should be delighted.

5. it already is, fool. what do you call "claim declined - preexisting condition"??? you whine all you like, but there is no difference between having an insurance company and a public option, except that w/ the public option there is no 'declined' statement that only aplies to those that need it most. level playing field.

6. right... and nasa never landed on the moon, and the kellog's cereal company killed JFK, and ... whatever other bizzare conspiracy theories you can come up with. (remind me - was obama born in iran and just biding his time before he returns to his overlords? HA!)

7. medicare (works exactly as it should). social security (those checks are never late). the post office will come to your house and pick stuff up and deliver it to the door of someone 2000 miles away for $0.42. these are all government programs; they fulfill their functions flawlessly. you can be a fatalist all you want... but i think you are just lacking understanding of what i call 'reality' in favor of 'nonsensical insanity'. if any of your conspirqacy-theory nonsen comes to pass... fine. but i heard from the loch ness monster that it will be teh best program of all time. and nessie is at least as reliable as FauxNews...

Posted by: Anonymous at July 28, 2009 11:28 AM

Name calling. Very mature.

1. Wrong. They will be forced out of business.
2. So what? They are here illegally. You and the liberals will die on that hill. Go ahead, make that case to the American people.
3. I care. Freedom is precious. Stay out of my life.
4. I, along with millions of others, object to paying for what I consider the murder of a fellow human being. I would not make it illegal, I just refuse to pay for it. And I would be willing to go to jail for it. If you want to kill babies, do it on your dime.
5. Who are you to decide what is "worth it" at end of life care? My wife works with hospice patients, NO ONE is denied coverage. NO ONE. These are all Medicare patients. Again, stay out of my life.
6. Here is the good one. Any time a liberal loses an argument they call conspiracy. The federal government has no right to look at or collect my medical records. I refuse. I deny them that. Again, I would go to jail on that one, too. I will not submit to Big Brother. You can. I will not. Read the 4th amendment. Or the forgotten 10th for that matter.
7. All of those wonderful programs operate at a huge loss. A huge loss. I do not watch Fox News. Insults make you look like a child.

Grow up.

Posted by: fugazi at July 28, 2009 11:43 AM

well... clearly you have opinions that you feel strongly about (and of course... i dont care). obamacare will pass, it will save vast amounts of treasure downstream (you know, in that amorphous 'future' thing that nobody on the right seems aware of?)

i assume that in 10 years, when it is all settled down, and there are no government troops up your nose, and people can just walk in off the street and prevent diseases before they get out of hand and cost us a fortune... you will be right here, complainig about whatever progressive measure-du-jour you are afraid of then, huh? are you really saying that since social seecurity costs $ we should just let all those old people die in the gutter? sometimes ideas cost money up front. i know, i know, sounds like magic... but somehow i bet the guy that invested a ton of upfront $ in Dell in the 80's is delighted with how that turned out a decade later. see how the long view turns what passes as reasoned argument from the right into short-sighted, purposeless whining?

healthcare reform will SAVE money in the long term. get over it. that's just math. and numbers, unlike strange opinions, are immutable.

you can do it! think about tomorrow. the day after that. the month after that. the year after that. now, the decade after that. NOW you are thinking like someone with a clue about how to make the future a better place. stop thinking about tomorrow and try to see the big picture. (or at least get out of the way while those who are thinking downstream get the needed work done).

Posted by: Anonymous at July 28, 2009 12:04 PM

Anonymous,
my family is from latvia, germany, slovakia, the czech republic, and my wife's family is from Mao's china.

care to lecture me on these times, people, methods and such?

tell me, are you old enough to remember?
were you a child of a refugee from there?

you assume that one is a crackpot... why? because what you cant conceive happening here? what makes here so special?

after all, it did happen in russia, germany, poland, austria, denmark, latvia, estonia, lituania, romania, slovakia, czech republic, hungary, china, vietnam, cambodia, laos, chile, cuba, venezuela, spain, and i can go on.

so... tell me what makes immigrants from all those places not like the people from those places?

they are going to ration.

hitler in action 14 starved adults and children. it was part of his nationalized care, and the people were not aware of it as they brought their family to the docs for help.

the fact that the state controlled jobs meant that you either did what they said, or you starved on the street, or were put in a camp.

Nurse 'Forced' to Help in a Late-Term Abortion
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534872,00.html?test=latestnews

NURSE 'FORCED' TO HELP ABORT
www.nypost.com/seven/07262009/news/regionalnews/nurse_forced_to_help_abort_181426.htm

she is catholic and she was lied to that the mother would die. they forced her to cut up a baby in a late term abortion, then fired her afterwards.

but of course socialised medicine would never starve people, thats too extreme, right anonymous?

Patient 'died of starvation in NHS hospital'
A vulnerable patient died of starvation in an NHS hospital after 26 days without food, according to a disability charity.
www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/4178735/Patient-died-of-starvation-in-NHS-hospital.html

i know... i know... thats just one... and you would think me crazy to extrapolate from one to many starvation deaths.. right?

then how about this?
Starved by the NHS: 242 patients die from malnutrition in a single year
www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1168377/Starved-NHS-242-patients-die-malnutrition-single-year.html

242 people starved to death under socialised medicine... many being tortured by having the food just out of reach!!!

Since 1997, 2,311 hospital patients have died from malnutrition and the effects of hunger.
There were 209 cases in 1997, when Tony Blair was elected under a pledge to save the NHS. Ten years later the toll was 242.

so they vowed to fix it, and now there are more dying...

www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005200
Employing drug overdose and lethal injection--already successfully used in child euthanasia--in this second phase as a more covert means of killing, the "euthanasia" campaign resumed at a broad range of custodial institutions throughout the Reich. Many of these institutions also systematically starved adult and child victims. The "Euthanasia" Program continued until the last days of World War II, expanding to include an ever wider range of victims, including geriatric patients, bombing victims, and foreign forced laborers. Historians estimate that the "Euthanasia" Program, in all its phases, claimed the lives of 200,000 individuals

then you have ginsbergs quote... that they sided with roe v wade because of too many of the wrong populations....

maybe take some time reading "National Security Study Memorandum 200" which came out around the same time as roe... its an interesting document that says they will give food to those countries that accept population control... but let the others starve... maybe thats why care sends food, and doesnt send farm equipment and parts... they dont want to really improve it. connecting fuel and food is a great way to starve them.

"The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." -- Margaret Sanger, letter to Clarence Gamble, Dec. 10,1939. - Sanger manuscripts, Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College. (Dec. 10 is the correct date of the letter. There is a different date circulated, e.g. Oct. 19, 1939; but Dec. 10 is the correct date of Ms Sanger's letter to Mr. Gamble.)

she started the american eugenics movement... and her people paul popenoe were contacted by hitlers people for advice in their eugenics programs for the reich.

after the public found out the "negro project" of sanger was renamed to planned parenthood.

so anonymous... still on the side that exterminating 50 million unborn americans is a good thing?

how about 50 million per year world wide? that would be teh same as marching the population of italy into a extermination center.

but dont be worried...

rahm and them are talking about how its ok to let the old die with little care..

and that their czar was a writer who wanted to put birth control in the water, have forced abortions, and such...

and you cant forget the testimoney of grathwhol as to the weather underground planning to exterminate 25 million americans.

oh.. by the way, one of th leaders of that group, ayers, helped launch obama's career.

and that isnt the only connections... its just a tiny amount...


Posted by: Artfldgr at July 28, 2009 12:38 PM

wow. thats a lot of crazy. the sort answer is "what the deuce is wrong with you". and going point by poiunt would take freaking forever (especially since i dont care). but, slightly-less-short answer:

ayers and obama are not drinking buddies, thats nonsense. he (ayers) is as mystified by all that crap as everyone else (everyone else who actually cares about teh truth, anyway). if you really think that is true... well, then i know why you believe all the strange stuff you appear to believe.

1 final time: CARE IS RATIONED NOW. insurance companies - EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM - has maximums on coverage, exclusions on what is covered, and denys coverage to everyone else under every possible situation. Are you really unclear on how that works? do you honestly think that somehow we live in a flawless healthcare utopia where nobody goes wanting for anything, and all the prices are reasonable, and there is no way to hope for better? (i would posit that your brain would be the problem, not the Obama initiative, if you answered 'yes' to any of those questions).

Anyway, believe the weird dystopic vision if you want to, but make sure you know it for what it is: nonsense, designed only to get people like you riled up before the midterm elections. factually vacuous, berefit of meaning... but certainly does get a rise out of those who form opinions based only on what the lunatic fringe told them to think!

Posted by: Anonymous at July 28, 2009 1:02 PM

"Obama is hitler! and if we change healthcare to remove insurance companys, walrus-based ICBMs are coming to kill us all!"

Yup, I believe that one too... can I vote GOP now, please? HA!

Posted by: Anonymous at July 28, 2009 1:04 PM

You, sir, are an absolute idiot, Anonymous.

Liberal logic defies sensible and sound logic.

... and this is further proof that liberalism is a mental disease, curable only by death.

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at July 28, 2009 1:13 PM

Check out a new film about this very topic: Maafa21. In there they show documents about the pop control freaks who wanted to pollute the water with sterilizing chemicals. Sound Familiar? Does Holdren/Ehrlich ring a bell. You have got to get this documentary - MAAF21 and be stunned with their proof of GENOCIDE through BC and Abortion: www.maafa21.com

Posted by: Rapnsum at July 28, 2009 1:34 PM

Anonymous:

Artfldgr made a point by point detailed rebuttal.
You respond with a ridiculous slogan - "care is rationed now," which, even if it were true in the sense that you want, is irrelevant.

Posted by: Jim at July 28, 2009 1:57 PM

Posted by: Henry at July 28, 2009 2:11 PM

Actually I used to live in Germany because my dad worked there as a consultant for awhile. The Nazi Party (the NSDP- National Socialist Democratic Party) actually became the NPD (National Democratic Party) after the fall of the Nazi regime. It still exists today and it compromises the political far right in Germany, not the left, and it is the party that virtually all the ex Nazi and Nazi sympathizers who were left after the war, and who were born after it, joined. They HATE the progressives, and the progressives hate them.

But I'm not suggesting just because they're the far right means that they are in any way connected to the right here in America. There are always horrible extremes on both ends. For the left, it's Stalin and Mao, and for the right, it's Hitler.

Just because the word "socialist" is in the name doesn't actually make them socialists. ACTUAL socialists were sent to concentration camps- it was illegal to be a party of the ACTUAL socialist party in Germany. It's like how in Africa so many of these horrible warlord driven regimes that do nothing but enslave and kill people always have names like "People's freedom party" or something like that.

The head of the NPD party, Udo Voigt, was actually just recently given a suspended sentence for inciting racism against Jews in Germany, which is a crime there.

Posted by: AK at July 28, 2009 2:22 PM

Posted by: AK at July 28, 2009 2:22 PM

AK, the NPD is only "far right" if you think that fascism is a right wing phenomenon.

From the Wikipedia entry on the NPD:

The aggressive agitation of the NPD unabashedly aims towards the abolition of parliamentary democracy and the democratic constitutional state, although the use of violence is currently still officially rejected for tactical reasons. Statements of the NPD document an essential affinity with National Socialism; its agitation is racist, antisemitic, revisionist, and intends to disparage the democratic and lawful order of the constitution." [10]

The political "Right" believes in limited government, Constitutional Republicanism, property rights, the Rule of Law, free civil society, and the pursuit of happiness. The NPD has nothing in common with the political "Right." It is only from the left wing perspective that anyone can confuse the NPD with Right Wing politics. Why the hell do you even bring up the NPD?

Posted by: Kevin R at July 28, 2009 3:27 PM

Ezekiel, the DEATH CZAR??

Posted by: Ex-bat at July 28, 2009 4:12 PM

Kevin,

Well I brought it up because this thread stated that Nazis were leftists. When in fact in Germany, you know, the country where Nazis actually come from, they are considered right wing, as is the NDP. They are called right wing by everyone in Germany and they identify THEMSELVES as right wing. Frankly I think the country where Nazis actually come from has a little more authority than this web page on how to classify the Nazi Party politically.

And the right and the left both want to control us, just in different ways.

The left wants the government to control economic issues, and the right wants the government to control morality. They both want the government to be allowed to tell people what to do, just in different ways. So the left wants the government to control things like healthcare or welfare, and the right wants the government to control things like marijuana use and marriage and sexuality.


Also the right is who passed the Patriot act, which is about as intrusive and far reaching as a government can get. The right was also VERY big on extending executive power when Bush was in office. They only really are against the government controlling us when they're out of power. Not that the left is any better, don't get me wrong.

The right wing is also associated with Nationalism, which was of course the defining charactertic of the NSDP and is the defining characterstic of the NDP.

Again, I'm NOT saying that American conservatives are in ANY way shape or form connected to the Nazi party. Or that Nazis are representative of right wingers. Just like I don't think Mao is representative of progressives. I may not care for either democrats OR republicans...but I'm not naive enough to start calling them Communists and Nazis.

Even if Nazis WERE progressives, which they weren't, it would be really unfair to make it seem like they are representative of the progressive movement. Are those Catholic priests who raped all those kids representative of Catholics as a whole? Of course not. Are all the Republican congressmen caught up in sex scandals right now representative of conservatives and their values? Of course not.

You have to judge people and groups on their own merit. Having the same ideological starting point does not make you the same.

Posted by: AK at July 28, 2009 4:29 PM

Kevin,
Also, another point, I have NEVER seen leftist sites with holocaust deniers, yet I see this a lot on right wing websites whenever the subject of Israel or the Holocaust comes up. Again, just because there are some neo nazi far right wing americans doesn't make me think that this is typical of the right wing. There are just as fruity lefties out there who actually praise Mao and communism!

But check out pat buchanan's website. They call themselves the far right and they actually DO call themselves fascists- not all of them, but I have seen more than once someone use that term in the positive sense. Also they are very sympathetic to the NDP and are big on holocaust denial. Pat Buchanan is a right wing figure, I see him on the news a lot and he calls himself right wing.

So I mean, if you can lead me to a leftist website that denies the Holocaust and endorses fascism and the NDP or the NSDP, I'll reconsider my position. But so far I've only seen this on far right web pages like Buchanan's.

Posted by: AK at July 28, 2009 4:34 PM

"Healthcare is rationed". No dumbass it's not. My wife was diagnosed with breast cancer in April. She had a massectomy and is recieving the finest care and reconstuctive surgery available. We happen to live close enough to the Rex,Duke,Wakemed area so she can have the finest care that I would insist on.So much for rationing.

Posted by: Farmer Ted at July 28, 2009 5:40 PM

Yeah, every time I file a claim, I know my insurance company calls me up to tell me my policy is cancelled and I have to go shopping for another. Heck, I'd be on the hook for about 20 kilobux this year so far. Yeah right.

Hitler and the NSDAP were socialists. National socialists. Yes, he would have sent Bolshevists (Internatinal Socialists) to the konzentrationzlagern. They were an enemy to him just as were the capitalists. That doesn't mean he wasn't a leftist. He had all the creds. Now, don't point me at Buchanan's site and expect me to think he's a "nazi" and/or right winger. The myth of the nazi as right winger has been grown in Europe and the US since WWII by the international socialists (those pesky Bolshevists) in order to separate themselves from naziism, whereas they're really far more similar than they would want to admit, or allow us to believe. You've just swallowed the kool-aid is all, but it's not too late for you to understand.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at July 28, 2009 7:32 PM

ITS KODOS THE EXICUTIONER

Posted by: Flu-Bird at July 28, 2009 9:16 PM

Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination;

FAIL. Age limits are the. single. greatest. deterrent to hiring, for any job, anywhere.

Oh and if black people are discriminated against more than old people, why does America have a black, 47-year-old president?

Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years (Lancet, Jan. 31).

Um... Am I missing something here? Everyone who was 75 was previously 25, and he cites a medical journal for this?

Maybe the title of the Lancet article in the footnote was "New Study Reveals Humans Age One Year Every 12 Months" ??

And those who are 75 today were not 25 in an era when it would have afforded them priority in medical care, so the argument is doubly stupid.

Posted by: mandible claw at July 28, 2009 10:32 PM

Farmer Ted,
Hang in there,pal. I know what you are going through.

Posted by: Jim at July 29, 2009 4:46 AM

Farmer Ted,
Hang in there,pal. I know what you are going through.

Posted by: Jim at July 29, 2009 4:49 AM

Thanks Jim it's been a rough road but my wife and I are getting through it together.

Posted by: Farmer Ted at July 29, 2009 5:38 AM

Also the right is who passed the Patriot act, which is about as intrusive and far reaching as a government can get.

You seem like a reasonable sort, but you need to check your information on this.

The Patriot Act's sponsors, House Judiciary chairman James Sensenbrenner (R-Wisconsin) and Rep. John Conyers (D-Michigan), tried to talk committee members out of making additional changes, saying the bill could be reworked in the next few days before the full House voted on it.

Source.

The bipartisan House Judiciary Committee passed it along unanimously.

Here is the Senate's vote.

Now, leftists may have changed their position on it now (go figure) but it's not like they can deny their roll in creating and passing it.

It's sort of like how the left cries about Bush's war and the right-wing warmongers, all the while forgetting that the Senate voted 97-3 (if I recall correctly) to enter into armed conflict in Iraq.

Posted by: cowlove at July 29, 2009 10:10 AM

final time: CARE IS RATIONED NOW. insurance companies - EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM - has maximums on coverage, exclusions on what is covered, and denys coverage to everyone else under every possible situation. Are you really unclear on how that works?

yes i get it, but its not rationed... there is nothing stopping you from dipping into your own pocket and augmenting what the state is providing.

a friend is a illegal immigrant who just got lasik surgery, and is being treated for glaucoma, she makes below minimum wage and is elderly.

her laser surgery was not rationed. her medicine is not rationed, and we take her to the hospital to see her doctor each month, and that is not ratoned.

Anonymous, you didnt understand when i said that your are an idiot for thinking that your OPINION is equivalent to EXPERIENCE.

you are talking as if you know, but obviously you dont. you want to be heralded beccause you have all the right collectivist talking points. but you dont understand the principals. the reason you didnt point things out, is that is a false eruditism to pretend that you know, without having to show you know.

you have never lived in a rationed system. one where the medicine and such to cure and keep you alive and you cant get it from the state, AND you are not allowed to pay for it yourself.

you never lived through the germans as my family did, or the russians as my family did, or the chinese communists as my family did.

you imagine they walk in with their long coats and they order the doctors. no.. the doctors do it, and they do it by beuracratic fumbling.

in my post i point out that hitler starved his subjects to death... i also put taht about 300 people starve to death under soclist medicine.

maximums on coverage is not the same as rationing.

when i go to my dentist, i have a maximum on my coverage. my dentist is expensive, and so the insurance pays up to the maximum and i pay the rest if i want the work.

to you that is rationing..

but in a rationed system, that dentist would not exist, since that dentist could not charge more thatn what they give. that way no person but the elite who are our lords, can get care.

anonymous... i am probably twice your age, and so i ahve forgotten more than you know.

and your strawman zigs around.. in the paragraph you yell that its rationed now... which it isnt... and here is another example so that maybe you might learn.

you have car insurance. yu have an accident. the car insurance does not repalce your car.. it may not even pay for repair of all the damage. but, nothing stops you from adding money and fixing things up more.

same with meds right now.. .

but if car insurance was like what they were going to move to, which IS rationed, you can only repair you car to the level that the insurance paid. you would be forbidden by law, fines and imprisonment if you add money and get it fixed more.

so i DO understand, and clearly you DONT.

but i am clearly a lot older than you, more experienced, and smarter too. as i know my history and physics, and other things and you dont.

Anyway, believe the weird dystopic vision if you want to, but make sure you know it for what it is: nonsense, designed only to get people like you riled up before the midterm elections. factually vacuous, berefit of meaning... but certainly does get a rise out of those who form opinions based only on what the lunatic fringe told them to think!

believe it? my family has been living it for 100 years!!!!!!!!!

i know what its like thrugh family when things change. we know what it was like to be alive because you ran an extra errand and wasnt home when the trucks pulled up.

i also now that socialism and collectivism is always distopian. in every case. jamestown, the kibbutz, shakers, new harmony, soviets, etc.

always dystopian...always degraded to subsistence, and always the return of the royal system... where the elite lords rule feudally and dictate to the lower prols how they live, but are nto subject to the same rules or laws. (which is why marxism promotes two classes to remove the middle class bridge to wealth, and why it describes stagnation as progress, and why it baits you with the promise it only delivers to the kinds and lords and ladies of the court. notice how no one is going after the senate and hohuse profits?)

anonymous... my family remembers people like you. but thats all they were and are now. memories.

even the famous eli weisel didnt get it till he realized that he shut the door to the gas truck on his wife.

my family were members of the latvian corps, and were part of the forest brothers...

we learned the hard way

your going to learn the hard way too

Posted by: Artfldgr at July 29, 2009 12:23 PM

hey anonymous... why dont you go here, and read and watch the documentary.. www.sovietstory.com

i saw it... and i finally saw photos of the mass graves that my family is in.

Posted by: Artfldgr at July 29, 2009 12:25 PM

Actually I used to live in Germany because my dad worked there as a consultant for awhile. The Nazi Party (the NSDP- National Socialist Democratic Party) actually became the NPD (National Democratic Party) after the fall of the Nazi regime.

yup...

and they also became the green libertarian party...

Posted by: Artfldgr at July 29, 2009 12:25 PM

But I'm not suggesting just because they're the far right means that they are in any way connected to the right here in America. There are always horrible extremes on both ends. For the left, it's Stalin and Mao, and for the right, it's Hitler.

they are not far right..

imagine a ruler... stalin would be at zero.. the start of the ruler and way on the left...

hitler would be around 4 or 5... because its not fully socialist.. it allows free market a bit, and so on..

and the free market small state and all taht classical liberal stuff is around 8 or 9.. beyond that would be anarchy.

stalin ordered his people to treat EVERYTHING to the right of zero communism as to the right.

and if you look at the ruler, everything is..

but, free market capitalism is farther right than hitler.. and is small government, and indidual freedom

so they chopped off the spectrum so that ther are only two colors, not three...

reds are red.. and fascists are yellow...

and the whole spectrume is between yellow and red..and we discuss everythign between these two points..

we are forbidden to move more to the right, past fascism to freedom..

if you start the spectrum with the anarchy of the civil war, we moved to more government.. and so we had more olletivism... and moved down.. went from blue... to fascist green. we were looking for goosteps and things.

and the more we saw collectivism the harder we worked, and the more collectivism we made.

in the 60s we crossed from 6 and 7 greenish yellow... to fascism...

we didnt bother to learn economics any more than anonymous.. so we didnt knwo that we were already fascist... and fascist was demonized for killing 6 million jews... we forgot the other 6 million... and we ignored and forgot the 25 million of stalin.

that is.. we didnt hear the horror stories of stalin that would have made moving towards socialism frmo fascism even worse.

the fascists are all the way to the right because there is no one suggesting anuthing else but despotism with economy and despotism without economy.

what the WAY WAY right want is no despotism (collecticvism, which means no fascism too), and economy.

the main difference between hitler and stalin was national and internatinal.

that is, hitler didnt want to take over the world, he wanted totake over europe and create a new german nation.

stalin and lenin were international socialists. they wanted to take over the whole world, and turn it to socialism.

they hve done so well that with the election of obama there are no more free states... there is just different degrees of collectivist slavery and different degrees of the perception of the fix.

merit no longer is why we appoint and do things.

Posted by: Artfldgr at July 29, 2009 12:35 PM

Mr Evilwrench,
you said it better than i

but notice how someone born recently is telling people what nazis were like, who knew them. the latvian corps were conscripted troops who were waffen ss (and were not part of the war crimes, go look it up).

so the latvians knew the difference intimately and communism was much worse than nazism...
and in truth, naxism was much worse than capitalism...

capitalism means you have no one to blame but yourself for where you are. in todays society, that just isnt a honorable cross to bear any more

when i hear that the head of the cpusa said they were no longer going to run people for election to the office of president becuase the democratic party platform and the cpusa platform could not be distinguished from each other.

no wonder they are willing to get rid of the old, then all they would have to convince were people like anonymous... who dont need convincing.

there are gulags inthe world today...

so nothing has changed except for idiots opinions...

Posted by: Artfldgr at July 29, 2009 12:42 PM

hey tell them the left was the party of the kkk and they would never believe.

tell them that the dixiecrats lynched and assaulted a thousand republican blacks and in that county no black person voted republican.

this is COMMON history too.

my favorite is when they malign through tuskeegee syphilis... the state didnt pay for research then, it was private charities. so this program was suppprted not by the fed, but by a cadre of socialists..

those same socialists started the highlander school of which martin luthor attended, as did rosetta parks and pete seeger.
the school was shut down for communist subversion when the guys taht were runing it were prosecuted.

they bought houses in the south as whites, then come moving day they moved blacks in. when the southerners didnt care, they bombed the blacks homes and blamed the racist south. (they also set off a bomb in ny making it look like the jdl).

anonymous never questions if the stalinist history he knows is valid..

he just assumed that since he was born later, he has better info. then they pumped up his self esteem to the piont that he cant tell his hypotheticals from facts...

sad really.

but thats good since such a person is not too efective in the world, makes bad choices, and will follow his masters.

after all, he followed them in their hatred and is their tiny footsoldier... the useful idiot corps.

remember.

age and treachery always wins over youth and enthusiasm.

Posted by: Artfldgr at July 29, 2009 12:49 PM

Well said on all points Artfldgr.

Posted by: cowlove at July 30, 2009 5:42 AM