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January 9, 2009

Open Thread

Via Four Right Wing Wackos, on a tip from teqjack.

Posted by Van Helsing at January 9, 2009 10:39 AM


Twas ever thus, for the last 5,000 years. Unless and until Israel destroys (meaning, "wipes out") the enemies of its existence, it will ever be thus . . .

As Ann Coulter noted back when the Hezbos were the enemy (yeah, right -- the real enemy is the Islamonazi regime in Iran): "If you start a war without intending to win it, you lose your land." Kick their ass, Israel, or forfeit your very country, not to mention your lives.

Posted by: jc14 at January 9, 2009 10:55 AM

Oh please, like you guys care about the Jews.

After all, anyone who isn't a Christian goes to Hell anyways, according to you?

So if God plans to torment all these people for all of eternity, aren't the Palestinians and the Nazis before them just getting a head start, and doing God's good work?

Not to mention you conservatives have been talking more and more about how you'll use your guns that you horde to protect yourselves and take back America if the country ever turns to Socialism.

Yet you don't expect the Palestinians to use their guns when people steal their entire homeland.

Don't get me wrong, I DON'T side with the Palestinians. I think violence is not the answer, and I think Hamas is a bunch of thugs.

But it makes absolutely no sense for conservatives to side with Israel when they love talking about how the whole reason you need guns is for the EXACT situation the Palestinians find themselves in now.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 9, 2009 10:56 AM

SERIOUSLY though, I mean, isn't that the whole reason the American right to bear arms is so important?

So that we will be able to offer up the same resistance the Palestinians do if someone comes and tries to do to us what Israel did to them?

There was a time in history when a stronger group came upon a weaker group, created an apartheid state, took their property and means of subsistance, and pushed them into walled in ghettos.

Yet now their descendants are getting their revenge by doing the same thing to a people who had NOTHING TO DO with what happened to their ancestors.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 9, 2009 11:04 AM

Right, right.

And what's the ratio of civilians killed? 100:1?

That's nothing to worry about.

Posted by: pan at January 9, 2009 11:17 AM

Another topic for the open thread:

I heard on the radio at noon on CBS news, a 10 second soundbite saying that "researchers at Washington State and Stanford are predicting food shortages due to global warming. This is based on a 36% decrease in certain crops." End of story.

LOL! I want to see what's behind that statistic. Personally, I think the researchers' homegrown crop of weed had a disappointing yield, due to not positioning the light properly or watering too little or too much. Hence the alarm bells. Meanwhile, it was 14 below this morning.

Posted by: Karin at January 9, 2009 11:18 AM

Questionable anon assumptions::

1) ...when someone steals their homeland

2) ...tries to do what Israel did to them

3) ...created an Aparheid state...

4) ...took their property


Posted by: chunkstyle at January 9, 2009 11:41 AM

Anon......CLICK CLICK! Trolling Jackass.

Posted by: Watching at January 9, 2009 12:39 PM

When "trolling" for fish, you throw out a lot of bloody fish guts. When Liberals, neo-communists and muslims go trolling on the internet, they pretty much do the same thing.

Posted by: KHarn at January 9, 2009 1:10 PM

Elite Liberal Educators Respond to the Presence of a Conservative Critic.

At one point, a member of the audience could be seen giving Mr. Horowitz the finger. Brian Kennelly of California Polytechnic State University at San Luis Obispo, who presided over the event, wrote on The Chronicle's Web site that he observed an audience member repeatedly mouthing an obscenity to Mr. Horowitz

Posted by: V the K at January 9, 2009 1:18 PM

Anaon trolling jackass,

I for one hope that Israel will destroy hammas and their supporters. That includes fukstix such as you.

Posted by: Watching at January 9, 2009 1:39 PM

VtheK, I found your linked article to be surprisingly unbiased in its reportage. The behaviors reported didn't surprise me, however.

I worry alot about higher ed. One of my charitable contributions this year was to send free copies of National Review to college students.

Posted by: Karin at January 9, 2009 1:51 PM

"I for one hope that Israel will destroy hammas and their supporters. That includes fukstix such as you."

Kill 'em all, right? What an idiot.

Thank God, death merchants like you aren't in charge and we can only hope that Obama takes a more evenhanded approach. We need to put some checks on Israel's military actions (since we're footing the bill) - if for no other reason than the fact that they're not working. Forget the fact that the death toll is 100:1, and no progress has been made.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 9, 2009 1:59 PM

I hate it when Stormfront links to one of our posts and some goose-stepping nitwit wanders over to comment anonymously.

Posted by: V the K at January 9, 2009 2:11 PM

progress, Every time the Israeli's drop another bomb there is progress being made

Posted by: Victory Phoenix at January 9, 2009 2:13 PM

Milwaukee to Open Nation's First Homosexual Middle School.

I hadn't seen this before, but I guess this happened in December. There are some truly sick people running schools these days. Here is the link from the Us News and World Report mentioned in the above.

Some education these poor kids will get.

Posted by: Mike H at January 9, 2009 2:38 PM

That troll is probably some brain washed 20 year old with a joint hanging out of his mouth.

Israel has its own army dumbass. They buy their hardware from us and produce one of the most bad ass tanks in the world. We don't foot the bill for Israel we only support her. You are the one that takes up and supports DEATH MERCHANTS ANONAN.

As for Obama....have you been listening to what he has been saying about his economic plan? He talks a big game yet I haven't heard any thing on how he's going to implement his plan of "Change".

V the K read the article you suggested....interesting

Posted by: Watching at January 9, 2009 2:57 PM

Posted by: V the K at January 9, 2009 3:32 PM

Posted by: V the K at January 9, 2009 4:26 PM

Sounds like the Senate Republicans are going to pretty much bend over and take it from Obama. They were warned not to be critical and be even more moderate...Pussies. Apparently they haven't learned the lessons of 06.

Posted by: Joshua at January 9, 2009 5:31 PM

Anon appears to be fulfilling all the standard requirements for a moonbat troll:
Slinging around insults? Check.
Siding with Hamas while simultaneously claiming not to? Check.
Throwing in some anti- Christian hate- mongering (And perverting the Bible in the process) for good measure? Check.
Comparing conservative Americans to terrorists? Check.
Comparing Israelis and conservative Americans to Nazis? Check.
Insulting conservatives for their positions on firearms? Check.
Demonstrating zero knowledge of the issues at hand, only capable of puking out talking points? Check.
Singing Obama's praises? Check.

Posted by: Adam at January 9, 2009 5:47 PM

Anon, if you think the "Palestinians" had a homeland prior to Israel, it's really time for you to hit the history books.

Conservatives own guns because, first and foremost, we are citizens, not subjects, and second, our primary responsibility in life is to protect our families, including by force if required, and we don't expect or trust bureaucrats to perform that function for us if push comes to shove. Only a trite left-winger could possibly confuse those noble sentiments and values with the cesspool of murderous jihadi nihilism pouring out from the god-forsaken borders of Islamic murder zones such as Gaza.

Posted by: mega at January 9, 2009 6:14 PM

You folks need to understand the mind of a moonbat in order to reason with them. See, to a moonbat, the criminal is always the victim. Once you understand that, you'll know why they feel empathy toward "Palestinians" while showing none for the Israelis.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 9, 2009 8:39 PM

Check out '100 Years Newspaper Climate Change Headlines' on YouTube.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 9, 2009 8:44 PM

Forgot to put my name.

Posted by: Smoke TNT at January 9, 2009 8:45 PM

But it makes absolutely no sense for conservatives to side with Israel when they love talking about how the whole reason you need guns is for the EXACT situation the Palestinians find themselves in now.
Posted by: Anonymous at January 9, 2009 10:56 AM

LOL! What a complete nitwit! Responding to that would be similar to responding to someone claiming the sky is green and fish are cats.

Posted by: Jimbo at January 9, 2009 9:55 PM

What does the kill ratio have to do with anything? What the hell do the palestinians expect when they shoot rockets on a daily basis at civilian centers?

Heres some news people, war aint about a 'fair fight.' its about imposing your nation's will so your citizens are safe. an army and a responsible government will ALWAYS put the safety of its own citizens before the safety of others. hamas shoots rockets, they should expect massive artillery and tanks and bombs, because israel has em' and so why wouldnt they use them?

and if you fire from a civilian area, that area ceases to become a civilian area and becomes a military zone. and thats not me, thats the GENEVA CONVENTIONS. yes, even if its a hospital full of orphans, even if its a mosque or a cathedral, the second you are being shot at by the enemy from that structure/location, any civilian context is automatically removed and you are, by international law, allowed to fire back in order to neutralize the threat.

this war is all about hamas thinking they can do whatever they want and not suffer consequences. well, the monster is out of the cage now and its WELL ON.

or rather, it doesnt matter what you post on the forums or what tte UN says in their air-conditioned halls, because the only thing that matters in our world is POWER and WILL. israel has it, apparently hamas has it too. only diff. is, israel has 10x more firepower. and thats what we're seeing today.

Posted by: donkey at January 9, 2009 10:22 PM


“Burn in hell.” “Consider yourself lucky. If I had a gun I would have gunned you down along with each and every other supporter.” “I just wanted to call and let you know what a great picture that was of you and the other Nazi’s [sic] in the newspaper….Don’t worry though, we have plans for you and your friends.”

The above are just a few of the threats received by supporters of last November’s Proposition 8 in California as reported by

The reader may recall that Prop 8 was a proposal to amend California’s Constitution to protect and insure the sanctity of marriage with these 14 words: “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” Amazingly, especially for liberal Californians, the measure passed resoundingly by a margin of almost 600,000 votes, or 52.3 % to 47.7%.

(Lest anyone think the Left-Coasters were in a Yea-happy, conservative mood on November 4th, five other propositions went down to defeat of the twelve on the ballot, including Proposition 4 which would have mandated parental notification before aborting a minor’s baby and Prop 5, designed to beef up law enforcement:

That should have been it, right? The people had spoken, loudly and unambiguously through a fair and valid constitutional initiative and voted against homosexual marriage in the state of California. Unfortunately, that did not put an end to the controversial movement to permit same sex couples to marry; it was just the beginning.

Immediately following passage, gays took to the streets to protest the measure, protests which are entirely legal and permissible in our great country. What wasn’t legal and permissible was the nature of those protests, detailed previously here in various articles, including this piece which recounts the despicable abuse of straight rights in the name of gay rights:

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Posted by: Berlet98 at January 9, 2009 10:31 PM

Peanut Allergy (Hysteria) Most Common in leftish, affluent communities: The incidence of peanut allergies correlates closely with socio-economic status. Interesting.

Posted by: V the K at January 10, 2009 8:23 AM

the whole reason you need guns is for the EXACT situation the Palestinians find themselves in now.

So, we can shoot at soldiers after firing 3,000 rockets at unarmed civilians?

Posted by: V the K at January 10, 2009 8:27 AM

Moonbat Messiah's Coronation not living up to hype, like everything else about The One.

Posted by: V the K at January 10, 2009 8:28 AM

The closes comparison in the US would be if Native Americans on their reversvation declared they were independed and started rocket attacks on towns and cities near the reservations. At which point a Native American version of Hamas would say that all Europeans on North America had to get off their land - all of it. And that the USA had no right to exists. And their #1 mission would be DEATH to all Americans. How would liberal Americans view that?

The Israeli-Hamas situation reminds me of that scene in the movie INDEPENDENCE DAY (seemingl in every other day on cable!) where the US President is asking the captured alien if there can be any peace between them. The alien replies NO PEACE. Then the President asks what they want us (humans) to do. To which the alien replies DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

How do you negotiate with people like that?

Posted by: Name at January 10, 2009 10:41 AM

Hamas and their fellow cowards remind me of an old cartoon panel where a crying child runs to his parents screaming "He hit me back!"

Posted by: KHarn at January 10, 2009 11:33 AM

Yes, today's so-called "Palestinian" problem could be likened in a way to a situation where American Indians launch 6,000 rockets onto our cities, after 60 years, that is, of blowing up our schoolbuses, cafes and hotels, and knifing and gunning down our citizens at random in their own houses and places of worship and work, while demanding that every last one of us leave the entirety of the United States. Except for two things:

1) To be a good historical parallel, Americans would have to have lived here as a nation for 3,000 years, preceeding the arrival of the Indians by a couple of millenia. There would have to be entire cities of artifacts of the early Americans and there'd have to be a Bible, predating the Indians, that explains unambiguously that America is the Indian's perpetual homeland.

2) You'd have to set up a boatload of UN agencies and committees for the inalienable rights of the American Indians, who claim that anyone born to or ever in contact with an Indian was an Indian and entitled to a chunk of St Louis or some other city they happen to want.

Finally, you'd need a whole army of photoshoppers to make up stories about atrocities against American Indians.

Plus, they wouldn't be able to have casinos, because that is a form of economic activity, which is something Palestinians refuse to participate in. For the parallel to be accurate, the Indians would only be able to engage in nihilistic destruction and murder until they're, finally, shot.

Posted by: mega at January 10, 2009 12:23 PM


“I had thought it was simple.” Thus said the 20 year old brother of a 14 year old Afghani rape victim after being arrested for using a razor blade to abort his sister’s baby:

The young girl had been raped by a construction worker and had the misfortune of residing in an orthodox Islamic community where an illegitimate birth meant that she and her family would be treated like pariahs. So her brother, Ali, took her to a cowshed and, as her mother helped restrain her, used the razor blade to slice open her womb. He removed the baby, buried it, then stitched up the wound with coarse string used to tie potato sacks.

Ten days later, she was taken on a 30 mile donkey ride to a provincial hospital suffering from infection and later, to protect her from family and community members, was evacuated to Bagram Air Base where she remained in critical condition.

Although such lurid and grotesque tales are not unheard of in Western, generally Christian, societies, they rarely if ever result from religious motivations. More likely it is a jealous rival or a psychotic, wannabe mother who would perpetrate such acts. Sharia Law, however, if strictly interpreted, condones measures to atone for the shame visited upon a family by the sin of being a rape victim.

The other side of the Koranic coin, the rapist’s side, ...

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Posted by: Berlet98 at January 10, 2009 2:03 PM


In this corner, the contender weighing in at 135 pounds out of New York City, Anorexic Ann Coulter! . . . In the far corner weighing in at 152 out of the Windy City, Mighty Michelle Obama! . . . Now, shake hands, ladies, and have a good fight!

The Coulter-Obama drama hasn’t quite come to fisticuffs, at least not yet, but if it ever did, I’d have to give the edge to Michelle. If it came to a no-holds-barred debate, I’d go with the feistiest and more acerbic, Ann. If it came down to mud wrestling, I’d bet on a draw.

Ann is on a tear lately–as if she’s never on a tear–with her latest book, Guilty: Liberal “Victims” and their Assault on America. How she and others, liberals and conservatives, regularly churn out lengthy, researched volumes is mystifying to me, but they do and Coulter does it best when it comes to piercing the liberal jugular and making them yelp.

In her latest, Ann takes aim at, among other liberal targets and icons, the soon-to-be First Lady of the United States of America, Michelle Robinson Obama. Never one to pull her punches–Coulter has been called a flame thrower, a bomb thrower, and a dervish as well as being the object of uncomplimentary epithets–Ol’ Annie is taking on a formidable foe this time.

Calling a spade a spade, which term has no racial implications, certain topics in these, the free and semi-independent United States, have been tacitly declared off limits by the powers of political correctness. Those topics would include casting aspersions, whatever their merits, on the state of Israel, on homosexuals, and on Blacks.

It’s still perfectly PC-fine to rip Christianity and, especially Catholicism, to criticize straights who find the gay lifestyle sick and disturbing, and to attack those who point out the extent of Black crime. We of the faithful opposition say bunk to all that! All religions and nations, peoples, and races are flawed. We take issue with the current antipathy in some quarters to Christianity, to America, and to Caucasians.

We are not the religious bigots, the straight bigots, nor the racial bigots. We just demand that our voices be heard in an increasingly liberal, leftist America. If our opposition is interpreted as prejudiced or homophobic or racist, then so be it. Sooner be regarded as bigots by the true agents of bigotry than be regarded as the generation that surrendered to the forces of the actual bigotry and intolerance and to national and moral degradation.

White, Christian, heterosexuals are fed up with all that and we want, we demand as the majority constituency in America, that it be rectified.

Ann Coulter does not accuse Michelle Obama of any of the above nastiness,...

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Posted by: Berlet98 at January 11, 2009 1:08 AM