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December 19, 2008

Open Thread

Egypt soon if global warming keeps up at this pace. On a tip from Lyle.

Posted by Van Helsing at December 19, 2008 9:08 AM


Gays Moonbats are pissed off at Obama for choosing the Rev. Rick Warren to deliver his inaugural invocation.
Dear gay and liberals moonbats, Obama doesn’t need you any more so under the bus you must go.
Maybe they'll start a riot at the inauguration ceremony. Tee Hee!

Posted by: Thor at December 19, 2008 1:19 PM

Im wondering if pro-gay groups will show up and throw boxes of condoms at Obama.

Or maybe just shoes. LOL!

Posted by: Warren Peace at December 19, 2008 2:15 PM

Lots and lots of carbon to be emitted to keep us all warm now that there is (and has been for the last ten years) global cooling. Wonder if next Obama, Gore, et al., will begin to "cull" the undesirables so as to insure that the elites have plenty of heat, and those of us hoi poloi that survive can kill one another over a lump or two of coal (which you won't be allowed to burn, anyway; nice to look at, though, and imagine how the heat would feel while you freeze to death)?

Thanks, drones! We all look forward to all the winters to come (you included, at least for a little while)!

Posted by: jc14 at December 19, 2008 2:53 PM

I'm gonna be comfortable, one way or the other. If the heat commissar comes around to try to say otherwise, he just won't be reporting in anymore. The local wildlife will be eating well, though. "What? I've never seen that guy before!"

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at December 19, 2008 3:41 PM

Here's the latest fad to hit moonbats the world over. Just like the I'm sorry signs, this one will accomplish nothing.


Someone needs to be kicked with a carbon footprint.

Thank you for throwing your shoe

Posted by: Steve at December 19, 2008 4:27 PM

I would like to throw shoes at those stupid F**cking libs. My shoes would have steel toes for a better affect.

I can't stomach some people in this country!

Posted by: Watching at December 19, 2008 5:21 PM

Just wanted to say Merry Christmass to all.

Posted by: Oiao at December 19, 2008 5:21 PM

Oiao -
Mele Kalikimaka & Hau'oli Makahiki Hou to you, partner.

Heading home to Austin in about 6 hours. It promises to be MUCH nicer in South Texas (about 80 degrees) than... say... Chicago! :-)

Posted by: Jimbo at December 19, 2008 6:48 PM

An Obama disciple explains a few things as her car is being repossessed.

I would have thought this was a joke had I not seen the full on cult like worship of Barry Sotero aka Barack Hussein Obama which seems to be dwindling...


US Military to Oversee Barack Obama's Inauguration

I am glad I am retired out of the service because I don't think I could bring myself to salute this America hating con artist.

It was hard enough saluting Clinton...

Posted by: Mike at December 19, 2008 8:44 PM

Sorry. Messed up the tags again.

US Military to Oversee Barack Obama's Inauguration

Posted by: Mike at December 19, 2008 8:46 PM

I don't know, Jimbo -- last I heard it was 28 degrees in Dallas (not "South" Texas, I know), but it's probably headed your way. Good luck, and don't forget the firewood. Merry Christmas to one and all!

Posted by: jc14 at December 19, 2008 8:59 PM

Muslim waitress sacked.

She worked in a bar(!!!) and didn't want to wear that dress. What about the alcohol thing?

Posted by: scaramouche at December 19, 2008 9:10 PM

Sweden: Second night of "youth" riots in Malmö over closed mosque

Earlier story...

Sweden: Riots over closure of mosque

The basement offices, which had previously served as a mosque for the Islamiska kulturföreningen (‘Islamic Cultural Association’), had been occupied since November 24th to protest against the landlord’s decision not to renew the association’s lease for the space, which it had held for the past 15 years.

On Monday, police forcibly removed the remaining three protesters from the space in front of a crowd of angry onlookers.

Ah, the 'religion of peace' strikes again...

Posted by: Mike at December 19, 2008 10:05 PM


Fortunately, or unfortunately, some news stories have lives of their own. It’s as if they don’t want to die, which is sometimes a very good thing.

Such a story is the disgraceful tale involving the USS Liberty, a disgrace which began more than forty one years ago and continues to this day.

Neither the disgrace nor the shame of the USS Liberty applies in any way to its crew or to its captain, William McGonagle, who subsequently received the Congressional Medal of Honor in recognition of his bravery and refusal to leave the Liberty’s bridge despite being wounded. The shame is on America, the shame is on our shameless politicians, and the shame is on Israel.

For those still unaware of what transpired on the afternoon of June 8th, 1967 in the waters off the Sinai Peninsula, the USS Liberty was a converted Victory ship, a 455 foot vessel then being used for intelligence gathering during the 1967 Arab-Israeli war. It was attacked by Israeli air and naval forces, strafed and torpedoed, leaving 34 sailors dead and 174 injured, many severely.

A confessed news junky, I had never heard about the Liberty until a decade or so ago. Back in January, 2008, I posted an article here, an interview with Rick Aimetti, a petty officer first class assigned to Damage Control aboard that U.S. Navy vessel. He was one of the survivors and still vividly recalled the events of that day.

The fortuitous circumstances of that interview are detailed here, “Remembering the USS Liberty,” (January 10, 2008,

A calm, composed man, Rick was nevertheless passionate in his recollections, especially about the friends he lost, but also in his certainty that it was a deliberate attack by a presumed ally on an American ship.

That assault continued for hours even though the Liberty was clearly marked and flying the stars and stripes.

Israeli helicopter gunships first took out the ship’s antennae and shot down the flag mast before launching torpedoes in an attempt to, first, cripple the Liberty’s communications and, second, to sink it.

It struck me that with a new president taking office precisely one month from today there was a possibility, however remote, that President Obama would do what seven presidents before him failed to do, namely, give official, government recognition of the Liberty heroes who died that June day, and to acknowledge why they died and were wounded.

That Israel attacked and killed 34 and injured 174 Americans on the Liberty is indisputable. Israel ultimately admitted as much and paid reparations. What it never did was concede intent. Instead, Israel to this day alleges it was a “mistake,” a mistake which could only have been made by two blind Israeli helicopter pilots and three blind Israeli torpedo boat captains.

Petty Officer First Class Rick Aimetti was a witness and a survivor of the attacks on the USS Liberty but he can hardly be considered an objective observer. Running for cover, seeing your dead and bleeding fellow sailors, and trying to keep your ship from going down aren’t situations conducive to objectivity.

His status as an eye-witness has been supported by numerous other accounts, however. Our military and our politicians just love investigations, studies, and inquiries even if they rarely uncover the truth, that whole, nothing but the truth that scares the uniforms off our military and which makes our politicians dive for cover when they can’t admit it.

Such is the truth of the USS Liberty. It has festered on the American conscience for over four decades now.

Five years ago, the National Security Agency, which was instrumental in the outfitting and in the mission of the Liberty, declassified, (under pressure), documents, recordings, and interviews relating to the assault on the USS Liberty:

Although that wealth of material and information is fascinating, it nevertheless is transparently slanted as can be seen in the interviews of personnel who admit to being pro-Israel and even in the greatly redacted translated transcripts of the Israeli pilots:

Far more objective is this analysis of the events of June 8th, 1967: There Eric Margolis dares to spell out the truth and dares to explain and substantiate what really happened that day.

It’s an ugly and shameful truth about the USS Liberty.

Perhaps President Barack Hussein Obama will address that truth and redress the grievances of the crew members such as Rick Aimetti?

One can always hope for “change” from Obama, no?

Festering stinks, literally.


Posted by: Berlet98 at December 20, 2008 12:47 AM

With any luck at all we will see the Obama ducking men-sized stripper shoes at his inauguration. LOL

Posted by: Cartman at December 20, 2008 1:05 AM

The pyramids would make great ski slopes.

Posted by: Anonymous at December 20, 2008 6:14 AM

Posted by: V the K at December 20, 2008 8:54 AM

Proposition 8 has been over-turned in California by the court, meaning that the votes of millions of citizens are MEANINGLESS!

Liberals, this is a form of DICTATORSHIP, yet you will applaud this tyranny! Remember your accusations that conservatives had destroyed the Constitution? These are the people YOU have supported.

Posted by: KHarn at December 20, 2008 12:15 PM

In America's most liberal city, jail is better than life on the outside.

Posted by: V the K at December 20, 2008 8:53 PM

Note for the trolls:

If you actually want to debate something (not just screech mindless invectives) please don't leave it in a thread no one is visiting anymore.

That just makes you (all) look like a bunch of sniveling cowards.

Bring it to the newest open thread and make a reference to said topic.

Or is it easier to lob insults when no one calls you on the carpet for it?

Just my opinion. Not my website.

Posted by: Mike at December 20, 2008 10:57 PM

Posted by: Berlet98 at December 20, 2008 12:47 AM

Thank you for this post, Bertlet98.

Posted by: Mike at December 20, 2008 10:58 PM

Armed Officers Raid Home & Hold Family at Gunpoint Over Food Co-Op

An Ohio family whose members have served their friends and neighbors with food cooperative services involving bulk and discount supplies has been targeted in a raid by armed law enforcement officers wearing black fatigues who forcibly rounded up the mom and 10 children and held them for six hours.

The raid prompted a complaint filed today on behalf of the family by the Center for Constitutional Law at the Buckeye Institute. It alleges authorities “made a haphazard unannounced entry into the property with guns drawn, as other officers surrounded the property, with guns drawn,” then “confiscated the family’s personal food supply, personal computers, and personal cell phones.”

The complaint names the Ohio Department of Agriculture, the Lorain County General Health District and the state’s attorney general. A spokeswoman at the Department of Agriculture said its officers were at the scene in an advisory role. A spokeswoman at the county health agency refused to comment except to explain it was a “licensing” issue regarding the family’s Manna Storehouse.


Posted by: Mike at December 20, 2008 11:10 PM


What is it about the story of the USS Liberty and the 1967 Israeli attack on that unarmed, American intelligence vessel that so riles people of the Jewish-American community?

Because I posted my previous article, “The Shame of the USS Liberty,” on other websites I have been inundated with accusations of anti-Semitism, threats of expulsion from those sites, and even revocation, sans explanation, of my posting privileges by one,

That revocation was disappointing but with some 200 million other websites available on the internet it is hardly devastating.

What is devastating is the realization that there are so many people out there who not only resist hearing/reading the truth about Israeli influence on American foreign policy but who then actively campaign to muzzle those who only seek to place a very significant issue on the table, that issue being, What really happened on June 8, 1967 and whether the actions of Israel’s military were by design or simply a gross, and bloody, “mistake.”

If I were the only one “dredging” up the issue, I’d cease my inquiry.

However, I’m far from unique in my quest for an ultimate answer and for a final resolution. Such individuals as Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, United States Navy (Retired), former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, also want definitive answers:

That resolution cannot be expected shortly, considering the forty-one year old cover-up by our government and by our military, but this names-redacted exchange with the webmaster of one website gives some inkling as to how pervasive that cover-up is and the reasons for it:

(My response to that webmaster precedes his query.)...

(Read the interchange at

Posted by: Berlet98 at December 21, 2008 1:16 AM

Michigan's cure for economic malaise: Silence "Annoying" Speech.

Posted by: V the K at December 21, 2008 5:40 AM

Posted by: V the K at December 21, 2008 7:47 AM

"Festering stinks, literally.


Posted by: Berlet98 at December 20, 2008 12:47 AM"

"What is devastating is the realization that there are so many people out there who not only resist hearing/reading the truth about Israeli influence on American foreign policy but who then actively campaign to muzzle those who only seek to place a very significant issue on the table, that issue being, What really happened on June 8, 1967 and whether the actions of Israel’s military were by design or simply a gross, and bloody, “mistake.”

If I were the only one “dredging” up the issue, I’d cease my inquiry."

Oh look, Lalor plunges into paleocon AIPAC trutherism and then starts the whining victimhood about being muzzled by the Joos.

Hope you didn't think those posts were gonna win you any friends, d00d. Maybe give Pat Buchanan a call or something, you guys could shoot the breeze about how the Joooooos are out ta git ya.

Posted by: mandible claw at December 21, 2008 10:56 PM


When I posted the article, “The Shame of the USS Liberty,” I never anticipated such a ruckus over its contents. I felt it was a one-shot deal, just a pertinent reminder of what many still firmly believe was a miscarriage of military and political justice.

The often venomous reactions to my two most recent articles have served as assurances that the subject is well worth a retrospective commemoration, at the minimum or, preferably, an exhaustive re-investigation.

To relegate the memory of the USS Liberty to nothing more than a blip in America’s history would be the equivalent of forgetting Pan Am Flight 103 which was blown out of the night sky over Lockerbie, Scotland on December 21, 1988.

Simply because Libya has finally admitted its responsibility in that terrorist atrocity and has finally paid reparations doesn’t mitigate the horror of that attack nor does it relieve the burden of Libyan guilt.

So, too, with the Liberty and Israel, which indemnified the victims with some $7 million dollars. Unlike Libya, however, Israel has never admitted any guilt.

Baseless charges of anti-Semitism have been lodged because I have dared to criticize Israel, (as well as my own government), for Isreal’s unprovoked attack on the Liberty. Almost as repulsive have been suggestions that I am a supporter of President-elect Obama since I expressed the sarcastic hope that maybe he would re-open the matter of the Liberty.

Israel is an autonymous, democratic state. It is not a theocracy and to offer valid critiques of that state and its actions represents no more an attack on the Judaic religion than, for example, criticizing the actions of the Canadian government would indicate a disdain for the Canadian people.

Likewise, objecting to the Jewish Lobby in America and finding fault with its inordinate power does not constitute an exercise in hatred of Judaism any more than disdain for lobbyists for Big Oil would imply contempt for gasoline.

As far as I am concerned, allegations of anti-Semitism arising from a discussion of the Liberty, or of the Jewish lobby, is a misleading and dead issue.

Less dead are fair questions as to why I choose to revisit rumors, allegations and facts relating to the events of June 8th, 1967 at this time–or at anytime.

The chief reason would be that the vast bulk of available information on the Liberty does not involve mere rumor and the case has never been closed. Indeed, it was never adequately investigated.

Contrary to some of the sounds and furies which have arisen and critics’ claims that I had ulterior purposes in writing about the Liberty, I simply feel that to forget what happened in 1967 would be to dishonor the forty one innocent men who died and the 174 who were injured and maimed.

Any more than Israel would want the world to forget the horror of the Holocaust, I refuse...
(Read the rest of this article at

Posted by: Berlet98 at December 22, 2008 12:54 AM