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December 2, 2008

Open Thread


Posted by Van Helsing at December 2, 2008 9:11 AM


Apologetic Mumbai Killers: "We Didn't Get the Memo About Obama"


Posted by: Cluebat from Exodar at December 2, 2008 9:19 AM

Ex-IBM CEO Proposes Nationalizing the School System. Because national programs run by Washington bureaucrats are always such raging successes.

Posted by: V the K at December 2, 2008 9:47 AM

What is it with communists and long speeches? Gavin Newsom posts seven-and-a-half hour speech to YouTube.

South Park delivered Newsom's exact same message in one minute two seconds.

Posted by: V the K at December 2, 2008 9:53 AM

Hey VH, I just wanted to take the open thread to de-lurk and compliment you on your aggregation of moonbattery in the world. There's nothing like the factual representation of frothy leftist antics to get the apologists and sycophants in a tizzy over your so-called 'hate speech'.

That said, I must confess that I am fascinated by the sociological facets of trolling behavior, not just here, but throughout the blogosphere. On some level, I think it is just a base gratification of some attention center in the brain, but in the more sophisticated (sic) incarnations, I find it incredible the mental gymnastics that they must put themselves through in order to maintain some semblance of an internally consistent worldview.

Part of me is tempted to engage them, just to try to really get at the underlying assumptions that inform their positions (sic). I am then reminded of the Reagan quote about the problem not being ignorance, but that so much of what they know just isn't so. Then of course, you get the flamboyant ones like some you've seen here recently, who quickly dispel any notion of a rational exchange of ideas. Given the ubiquitous presence of at least one resident troll on most every blog, I get the impression that either some deep-seated need is satisfied by being the local village idiot, or that Cyberdyne Systems is experimenting with prototype AIs to see which pass the Turing test.

Anyway, keep up the good work, and don't let the b@stards get you down.

Posted by: chunkstyle at December 2, 2008 9:57 AM

My theory of trolling is its like in grade school when there's this one really annoying kid that nobody likes, but the way he gets attention is to be as obnoxious as possible because otherwise no one would even know he was there.

Are they annoying? Sure, but you can't help but feel sorry for someone whose life is so sad that trolling blogs is how they spend their time.

Posted by: V the K at December 2, 2008 10:15 AM

Readers tempted to respond to Dino posts should note that from now on they'll be removed completely. The same goes for Yoda posts (it's the same troll).

Posted by: Van Helsing at December 2, 2008 10:30 AM

Cyberdyne systems testing AI? Its no accident their protoype T-850 is the current governor of California. The real Arnold Schwartzenegger was killed off and replaced during filming of Predator. Killed by the falling log in the original censored cut. As for the governators wife - she's a T-888.

Posted by: Name at December 2, 2008 10:44 AM

I took a child psychology course years ago. The professor explained how the one kid who was universally hated by all the other kids in class would invariably think that everybody loved him. I try to remember that when reading troll posts.

Posted by: PabloD at December 2, 2008 10:47 AM

Posted by: V the K at December 2, 2008 11:46 AM

Canada gets a Coup. I'm not making this up:
"Opposition parties in Canada have joined forces to try to topple the minority Conservative government less than two months after elections."
This cartoonist here has the meat on it:

PS: The cartoonist is canadian, and I like his work very much. He's unbiased(or at least speaks his opinion with facts) and I've been reading his comics for over three years. You should check out his archives.

Posted by: conservativeteen at December 2, 2008 12:00 PM

Posted by: V the K at December 2, 2008 2:22 PM

Conservative opposition MP is arrested in London for revealing embarrassing (yet HIGHLY relevant), dirty, little secrets of the Gordon Brown Government. IOW- Further evidence England is doomed:

Posted by: Refuter Of Liberal Vermin at December 2, 2008 3:13 PM

V the K, I'd say that's a pretty accurate assessment of Internet trolls as a whole (Not just the ones that bother us here).

Posted by: Adam at December 2, 2008 3:38 PM


With all the real news stories out there, you have to wonder why newspapers waste newsprint and why other media waste valuable space on non-stories.

Those stories include news that everyone already knows, news that has no redeemable journalistic value, and news that so clearly reflects the obvious that it’s tantamount to dog-bites-man accounts.

Included in the news everyone already knows–or should know–is the revelation that the New York Times and the Washington Post virtually ignored the good news coming out of Iraq in November:

Good grief! What else would we expect? Those papers which are rapidly and justly headed for the scrapheap of dead liberal rags posing as newspapers have been slanting, ignoring, and twisting the news for decades.

They and others on the Left have been printing all the news that fits their liberal agendas at least since the Viet Nam Era. Should we really have anticipated their reporting on any good news such as that now emanating from Iraq, namely, few casualties and the fact we’re finally winning that miserable war?

This is not to say the Times and the Post serve no good purpose. Bird cages will always need lining and Fido puppies will always need piddling mats until they are housebroken.

Among the no value reports is this tidbit concerning Democrat Al Franken’s inability to accept the reality that he lost the Senate seat in Minnesota to Republican incumbent, Senator Norm Coleman:

Initial election results showed he lost, recounts showed he lost, recounts of recounts and absentee ballots showed he lost, but instead of being a good loser, instead of the plain, old loser that Franken is, now he wants the Senate or the courts to overrule the electorate and intervene to put him into office.

And, no, this is not Electon 2000 Redux. Then, Bush had valid reasons to seek legal remedy from SCOTUS. Franken’s only reason is his massive, incomprehensible ego.

Do Minnesotans really want this clown to represent them?...

(Read the rest of this article at

Posted by: Berlet98 at December 2, 2008 3:43 PM


Posted by: Spurwing Plover at December 2, 2008 7:14 PM

Alternative energy even better now - launches massive ice daggers to kill off carbon-emitting humans

Residents were left fearing for their safety after shards of melting ice fell on homes and gardens from the blades of a giant wind turbine.

For about four hours people in King’s Dyke, Whittlesey, had to take cover as huge lumps – some two feet long – showered them from the 80 metre high tower on Saturday morning.

Resident Peter Randall, whose son’s house lies a stone’s throw away from the turbine, said: “Somebody is going to get killed. There was huge lumps of ice shooting off and landing everywhere.

Posted by: BURNING HOT at December 2, 2008 10:30 PM

Maybe it's just me, but I see a strategy...

Think of our resident trolls, and how quickly they cross the line from "debate" to "openly hostile invective".

This thought calls me back almost 20 years, to when I lived in Yosemite. In May of 1993, I hosted a party in the 'communal' area of a camp on the east end of the Valley. In an open area in the camp, surrounded by 150' Douglas Firs, around 2 picnic tables, we all got together to have a good time. It was to celebrate the anniversary of my signing the contract with YPC&C Co. to work there; my friends were all there, and all the wandering locals were welcome.

We were all hanging around the two picnic tables, with a boom-box (playing my fav, AC/DC before Bonn died), drinking and eating, when the local Moonbats started to show up to "share the wealth" (meaning OUR wealth).

This girl (cute, I'll give her that), an obvious Neo-Hippie...

[I digress here. Neo-Hippies are like Neo- Nazis. Too young to have been real Nazis,but they like to pretend.]

Anyway, this Neo-Hippie, with the requisite dreadlocks, broom-skirt, random multi-culti tatoos, and patchouli-stink, comes up to me and says...
"Oh, wow, man, like, you have to play this tape! It's from the Dead show last April where in 'Truckin', instead of it going "do Do do da do da do" it goes "do Do do da do do do", and you've TOTALLY gotta play it"

I said "No."

She asked why, and I said: "Because the Dead suck".

She asked me why I didn't believe in "peace and love, like Gerry sings about", and I replied that I did, just not on Gerry Garcia's terms. And the Grateful Dead still sucked.

In classic Moonbat style, it took this dizzy bitch about 90 seconds to go from preaching about "peace and love" to having her friends holding back her right arm to keep her from punching me in the face. Those 'peace and love' libbys are so damn violent, and easily egged on to do so...

And that's my point. Go on out there, confront them with the truth. Just make sure you have a lot of witnesses, or someone filming it. It doesn't take much to turn a Moonbat into a foaming-at-the-mouth lunatic... or to get evidence of a "hate crime" that will hold up in court with the right attorney. Let's use their own weapons against them, eh?

Posted by: hiram at December 2, 2008 10:50 PM

Posted by: BURNING HOT at December 2, 2008 10:50 PM

British Cathodhimmi bishops want Muslim prayer rooms in schools - no word about quid pro quo in Muslim schools

Muslim prayer rooms should be opened in every Roman Catholic school, Church leaders have said.

The Catholic bishops of England and Wales also want special toilet facilities in schools to be adapted for Islamic cleaning rituals.

Their demands will shock both Catholic parents and the Government because they go way beyond the legal requirements on catering for the rights and needs of religious minorities.

Posted by: BURNING HOT at December 2, 2008 10:52 PM

Elton John, of noted moonbatty tendencies and in a long-standing gay partnership, tells USAToday he doesn't want to be married as that's what heterosexual people do.

Will the gay community condemn him for this thus eating one of their own for betraying the lack of foundation behind the claims they use to support their agenda; or will they ignore him and thus patently admit his opposition to gay marriage is rational and well-reasoned?

(via DailyWoof)

“I don’t want to be married. I’m very happy with a civil partnership. If gay people want to get married, or get together, they should have a civil partnership,” John says. “The word ‘marriage,’ I think, puts a lot of people off.

“You get the same equal rights that we do when we have a civil partnership. Heterosexual people get married. We can have civil partnerships.”

Posted by: mandible claw at December 2, 2008 11:25 PM

Troller here, with deepest regrets to those such as "chunksyle," probably a very apt name btw. When Chunky is able to compose more than 2 intelligible sentences maybe he too could become a "troller!"

Try to grasp the meaning of my latest "trolling:"


For most of us, certain songs and melodies stir up great memories and attacks of nostalgia. When it comes to “patriotic” songs, I freely admit to being a sucker and an unabashed sentimentalist.

I’m so antiquated that I still get a lump in my old throat when I hear the words and music of our National Anthem.

After ”The Star Spangled Banner,” no other American anthem is as iconic and moving as “The Battle Hymn of the Republic,” that great, inspirational hymn to victory and to the Christian foundations of our republic.

This particular rendition, which many readers may already have heard but which bears another listen especially in these trying times, is distinctive and relevant to those times.

It incorporates not only an historical perspective and the lyrics, both the more and the less well-known lyrics of that hymn, but the beautiful voices of American elementary and high school kids accompanied by music presented by high schoolers:

After listening to that presentation, who needs the Mormon Tabernacle Choir!

We hear a great deal about–and I have often written about–the sorry state of our schools and of our students, their history-challenged, PC teachers, and the resulting minimal sense of America’s illustrious past infused into our kids today.

Perhaps we can’t expect much in the way of love of country in lower grades where students are far more concerned with lunch and play kitchens and toy trucks but I still hope that love of country, if not full-fledged patriotic fervor, will some day be a characteristic of tweenies and teenagers.

This may be hokie, but I’m hokie and not ashamed to admit it when it comes to my country, but here’s a suggestion from an elder: Why not preview that excellent presentation of “The Battle Hymn,” brush up on its history if necessary, then sit your kids down and listen to it with them?

If need be, chain them to your computer, just for the few minutes it will take to hear and experience

The secular holiday fav, “We Need a Little Christmas,” is far less significant and far less moving than a song entitled, “We Need a Little Patriotism.” That song has yet to be written. I still hope you catch my drift.

I thought to end this post with, Enjoy! However, “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” was never meant to be “enjoyed.” It was meant to inspire and remind, to inspire victory and to remind then-Christian America of all we have and of all we have to lose.

Its lessons still apply today.


Posted by: Berlet98 at December 3, 2008 12:45 AM

I had the weirdest, most moonbat-infested dream last night. I dreamed the company I work for was designing a personal starship for Kim Jong-Il, and Sean Penn dropped in to review the plans. He was stupid, obnoxious, and smelled bad. And I'm pretty sure I said, "Shut up Spicoli" at one point.

Posted by: V the K at December 3, 2008 3:29 AM