moonbattery.gif


« Carolina Cops Investigated for Criticizing Chairman O | Main | Michael Bloomberg Launches Crusade Against Salt »


November 17, 2008

Open Thread

On a tip from bwahahahahah`.

Posted by Van Helsing at November 17, 2008 7:02 AM

Comments

Posted by: nanc at November 17, 2008 7:07 AM

Alan Keyes checks in.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80931

The wonderful part about this particular legal action is that suit takes place in California where state law stipulates that anyone had standing to challenge a candidate's eligibility:


Former Reagan administration official, Ambassador and presidential candidate Alan Keyes was among petitioners who filed an action last Thursday in the Superior Court of California seeking a court order enjoining Barack Obama's California Electors from signing the Certificate of Vote until documentation showing the president-elect's constitutional eligibility to serve as president is produced.


"I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Senator Obama takes office," Keyes said in a statement released after the suit was filed. "Otherwise, there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new President can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation."


Tom Hoefling is chairman of both the America's Independent Party National Committee and the Alan Keyes for President 2008 campaign committee and, with regard to the case at hand, is acting as the petitioners' spokesman. Hoefling says that, regardless of the particulars of the standing doctrine in California or beyond, it is the Constitution that matters and the importance of the presidency which is paramount.

"I believe all American citizens have standing in this matter, in that they have the right to the assurance that the Constitution is being followed," Hoefling said. "The presidency is the one office that represents the whole body of the sovereign people of the United States. Each of the members of that sovereign body has a vested interest in making sure that the occupant of the office of the Chief Executive--the individual issuing executive orders, issuing orders to our military, negotiating treaties, vetoing and signing legislation, etc.--be constitutionally legitimate."

In fact, Section 16100(b) of the California Elections Code specifies that "any elector of a county, city, or of any political subdivision of either may contest any election" if, among other reasons, "the person who has been declared elected to an office was not, at the time of the election, eligible to that office."

In yesterday's filing, however, Keyes and the other petitioners appear to rely solely on 3 U.S.C. 8 to justify and confer standing:

“The electors shall vote for President and Vice President, respectively, in the manner directed by the Constitution.” This federal statute confers upon each elector an affirmative duty to discover whether the candidate for President for which the elector is seeking election is a “natural born” citizen. Otherwise, the elector would not know if his vote was being cast in the “manner directed by the Constitution.”


"I saw the Ohio case, in which the Republican Party was not recognized as having any standing to assure that voter fraud wasn't occurring, as one more bit of evidence that government of, by and for the people is being destroyed," he said, referring to last month's decision in Brunner v. Ohio Republican Party, in which the U.S. Supreme Court decided not to uphold an order directing Brunner, Secretary of State in Ohio, to check for voter fraud. "If the people themselves, their electors, their political parties, or their candidates for public office, don't have standing - don't have access to the courts to have their grievances redressed - the Constitution is now, in practice, a dead letter."


"My hope for this action is that Sen. Barack Obama will simply make the documents available to the American people which prove that he is constitutionally capable of serving as President of the United States," he said. "If he will not, or cannot, he should be immediately disqualified from holding such office."

Posted by: Sullivan at November 17, 2008 8:03 AM

Jesus, that was a depressing clip.

Where's my Commemorative, 22k, genuine gold-plated, Obama Razor blade? I just filled the tub with hot water.

But seriously, folks:

If we the people were living within our means to begin with, we could tell the government to f*ck off and die. I actually like this man's warnings. Start to prepare now, people! Get rid of that CC debt! Save more than you earn---the 90s and the era of "Sex and the City" are over. Start being responsible and stop expecting Big Daddy and Big Mama to rescue you every 15 minutes. SUCK IT UP AND TAKE IT LIKE A MENSCH, FOLKS!

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go and take care of my investments.

Thanks for posting this. It's a great clip.

nanc, very funny. I read that in the paper this AM. Like her announcement will change anyone's mind. What an ego!

Posted by: Sandy at November 17, 2008 8:16 AM

World Net Daily. Now there's a quality news source. Appeals to the truly brain-dead conservative.

I find it funny how "you people" never mention Bush or the fact that republicans controlled the country for most of the last 30 years. It's almost like you live in this delusional world where democrats have taken us to the brink of the New Great Depression.

What makes you people tick? Is it simply the fantasy of a life without taxes that motivates you and keeps you ignorant of reality? Do you really salivate over all that crap at the mall you plan on buying after republicans give all your tax money back? Think it will impress your friends and family? Make you happy, less bitter?

Here's a clue: REPUBLICANS CREATED THE MESS WE'RE IN. You can try and ignore that but every election for the next generation or more will mean more losses for republicans.

Posted by: Dino at November 17, 2008 8:17 AM

Ahhhh, Dino. Before I saw the sig, I knew it was you.

Let's apply logic to your comments.

Dino wrote:

"Do you really salivate over all that crap at the mall you plan on buying after republicans give all your tax money back? Think it will impress your friends and family? Make you happy, less bitter?"

LOL! Many Repubs, a few Dems also, as well as many non-party affiliateds are doing quite well, thank you very much. We take responsibility for our actions, spend only what we can afford, do without, or compromise. We are not the ones who voted for--ahem--"change". I would suggest to you that those "bitter mall shoppers" you mentioned are your very own people, which seems to me to be Liberal and Progressive Dems.

Whatsa matter? Can't afford that tripe mocha latte? Didn't get the latest Ipod so you can listen to tunes of your choice while you organize the oppressed poor in Gutamala for your Senior-year-at-Berkley thesis? No money for Trustifarian braids?

The GOVERNMENT created the mess were in, with complete complicity from the populace, who can't keep "it" zipped, stop spending "it", stop smoking "it", stop breeding it, stop shooting it, stop watching "it". Now Big Daddy and Big Mama to the rescue, right?

Posted by: Sandy at November 17, 2008 9:00 AM

Dino; not that it would do any good to tell you, but THE REPUBLICANS TRIED TO STOP "THE MESS WE"RE IN" but the dems did nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPSDnGMzIdo

"Oh, Fox News.", you snort. Facts though, damned inconvenient things when they don't vindicate your narrative.

Posted by: comet at November 17, 2008 9:05 AM

the left would like to forget their "jimmy carter" moments...fdr...selective memories - all of them.

Posted by: nanc at November 17, 2008 9:48 AM

Go to the thread about Freddie and Fannie so your "democrats caused this" arguement can be totally discredited. I can't be bothered with educating the stupid on every thread and posting the same rebuttal over and over.

Think for a moment about what you're saying. The democrats, out of power and locked out of most policy-making decisions by a fascist republican Congress for the bulk of 14 years, stopped the republicans from doing something, anything? With a republican President? Does that even pass the laugh test?

As for blaming government: Perhaps a case can be made for blaming an ineffective government, but that's due to the republicans having been in control of it. Also, were the bad loans made by the government? Were the exotic, faulty and fraudulent financial instruments created by Wall Street republicans- CDOs, MBSs- a government invention? I think not.

Face it, brainstems. Your ideology was in TOTAL control of the government and did NOTHING to avert the crisis we're in. In fact, the republicans exacerbated it by catering to the crooks whowere their best buddies. Did you all forget the lobbying scandals that sent Abramoff to jail and was instrumental in handing the Congress to democrats in 2006? Did you think we forgot?

You people always talk about personal responsibility and then spend most of your time deflecting blame for what you've caused onto others. Won't work. When Obama takes office and the dems increase their grip on the reins of power, they're going to continue branding this meltdown with a big "PROPERTY OF THE GOP". You're out of power for a generation or more. You blew it. It's O-V-E-R for conservatism and free market capitalism for a very long time.

Posted by: Dino at November 17, 2008 10:00 AM

Carter? Do you realize what preceded him? 8 years of inflation and economic ruin from Nixon/Ford not to mention the damage done by Watergate. Did you forget that Nixon was forced to resign? Do you people think yammering about Carter will distract us from the sins of republicans of that time?

Here's some facts for brainstem conservatives:

1. There was a deep, ugly recession in 74, two years before Carter was elected.

2. The first gas lines were in 73, 3 years before Carter was elected.

3. Unemployment was 7% when Carter left office. It rose to 11% in 82, two years into Reagan's first term.

Now tell me: Do you people really see history in 4 year increments? Do you really think life was Utopian before and after Carter? Are you for real?

Posted by: Dino at November 17, 2008 10:06 AM

Dino, You are such an angry person. Why are you so angry? You got what you wanted: a Dem Prez and Dem Congress. You should be happy and out hawking Commerative Obama memorabilia.

But you're not happy. Why not?

BTW, Clinton only achieved what he did in the 90s with a REPUBLICAN Congress: remember Newt Gringich and his "Contract With America"? It was a collaborative effort, Dino, to help this country be the best it could be, not some Dem revenge on the masses, as you make this next admin sound like. Come 2010, I say the Repubs take back Congress big time.

Dino, does your name stand for "Democrat In Name Only"? You certainly do give your party a bad name.

Posted by: Sandy at November 17, 2008 10:11 AM

dino - facts are people have been overspending since the sixties - nobody saves anymore and we live in a "have it NOW!" society - people have passed this "disease" down to their children and now grandchildren. plastic rather than a currency based on the gold standard has messed u.s. up to the point of no return. all the finger pointing in the world will not remedy the situation, but know this - the left and their magic mezziah cannot FIX it.

Posted by: nanc at November 17, 2008 10:12 AM

The republican Congress under Clinton was obsstructionist and useless. They're the ones who made the bad policy leading to the economic collapse we're experiencing. The only things they did were ultimately bad for us. Removing the over-55 rule that gave a huge push to hgouse flipping for one. More importantly, the repeal of Glass-Stegall, allowing banks and Wall Street to drive us into ruin.

You want to see anger just look at how the right is responding to Preident Obama's victory over the old albino freak and his white trash Alaskan princess the Nieman Marxist. The racists and hate groups are expecting this to be a banner year for recruitment.

You people are awful.

Posted by: Dino at November 17, 2008 11:13 AM

Dino-----BLAH BLAH BLAH. Go be a good little sheeple and folow the flock. Jack ass.

Posted by: Watching at November 17, 2008 11:18 AM

Dino the Brainstem

Thanks for showing us your nitwit, easily refutable idiotic rants Dino. lol. You are truly the epitome of why the left is unhinged and are incapable of running even a 7-11. Your logic is so twisted and full of mistruths and talking points that it really makes me glad that you oafs exist. God, you just gave me hope that conservativism with continue to thrive because what you offer to replace it with is incoherrent drivel. Thank you brainstem. Thank you.

Posted by: leftwingsmasher at November 17, 2008 11:50 AM

This is fun. Whatcha got, brainstem?

Posted by: leftwingsmasher at November 17, 2008 11:51 AM

No one at this site has yet refuted or even addressed anything I've posted.

As for liberals being incapable of running anything: We now run most of the country. And we thank conservatives for screwing up so badly it insures our continued reign for many, many years.

Here's to reversing the last 30 years! It will take some time but we'll get there.

Posted by: Dino at November 17, 2008 12:00 PM

I think one of the main problems we face today is that the Democrats have no desire to try to solve problems. They have, for nearly a decade, just gotten used to being able to blame Bush for any and everything, no matter how nonsensical. So now they're stuck in the mindset that you don't really have to fix a problem, or even try. Just blame Republicans.

Posted by: NudeGayWhalesForJesus at November 17, 2008 12:02 PM

Dina------BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. Made they don't want to answer. BLAH BLAH BLAH. Or should I say HEEEE HAWWWWWW. Or us it BAAAA BAAAAAA.

Posted by: Watching at November 17, 2008 12:29 PM

Dino is in "Dinial"...

I can't think of a post here in response to Dino that was not a direct refutation of his Marxist kook bullshit. Dino never responds to the refutations, and never offers one shred of hard evidence to support his claims.

I swear it's like talking to a parrot.

Ergo, I shall henceforth engage my "ignoramus filter". I have better things to do, Dino, than be a surrogate hand for your mental masturbation.

Posted by: hiram at November 17, 2008 12:53 PM

Ah, Dino. You so remind me of a troll I "met" years ago. Whatever evidence I brought up would be greeted with hysterical rants and "what about the children?" When I wasn't being directly accused of being an enabler/denier. Such a sad little man, he was.

You do have an advantage, though. Whenever we tell you, "The Earth does not rest on the back of a turtle but if it did what is that turtle standing on?" You can shout back, "It's turtles all the way down!"

I know, I know. You never mentioned turtles. (I doubt you followed the link, either.) That's an example of a metaphor, Dino. You'll learn about those next semester.

Posted by: comet at November 17, 2008 12:54 PM

Do you spell your screen name Dino, Dina, or denial. I don't think you a have a clue. What are you smoking? Watching was right about one thing; your a jackass. Geeez!

Posted by: Daman at November 17, 2008 12:56 PM

You know, this guy was sounding pretty scary...right up until he made that statement about denying there was a recession right up until recently.

It's not like there isn't an actual definition of a recession. Any moron can look it up. People act like you are morally obligated to say it's a recession when it's not. We can't help it if it's not a recession. Liberals wanted a recession so bad they just started saying there WAS a recession.

It's like we're SUPPOSED to be in a recession, for..I don't know, politically correct ressons, maybe?

"You must say that we have already had two quarters of negative GDP, or else you are a racist." And 2 + 2 = 5, or else you're a racist, too.

I don't know anything about this guy, but dems have, for months now, been saying the evil republicans are denying we're in a recession.

Listen up trolls, THAT is why no one trusts you. Because you simply lie, and ignore facts.

Posted by: NudeGayWhalesForJesus at November 17, 2008 12:58 PM

I really don't see how a person can be so optimistic as that clip. In four years things are not going to be anywhere near that good. Things are going to get bad!!

He didn't mention record cold weather, race riots, terrorist attacks, war with Iran, new cold war with Russia, absolute hopeless depression, Chinese flexing military and economic muscle, hurricanes, floods, and raging plagues for which we have no effective antibiotics. And some of my friends argue with me and same I am much too cheerful and things are going to be worse than that. (They include world wide famine, drought, earthquakes, and volcanoes, besides saying the intensity and duration of the things I mentioned will be worse than I think.)

Posted by: SnowSnake at November 17, 2008 1:17 PM

Dino, you make me laugh and laugh. You're so funny. Not intentionally, I'm sure. Obama isn't President yet.

For someone to hate Senator McCain and Senator Palin as much as you do robs you of any credibility. As far as answering questions, what questions do you answer? Were you even old enough to vote in the 1990s? If you hate Clinton (and I imagine there are many here who do) and yet blame the Repub Congress under him for problems, what exactly--or who, exactly, do you support? What is your premise for supporting Obama?

NGWFJ, yes, it seems that way, doesn't it? It was certainly convenient for the election process.

Posted by: Sandy at November 17, 2008 1:58 PM

“WALTZING ON THE TITANIC” OR, DANCING THE TARANTELLA
"The Leaden-Eyed”

Let not young souls be smothered out before They do quaint deeds and fully flaunt their pride. It is the world’s one crime its babes grow dull, Its poor are oxlike, limp and leaded-eyed.

Not that they starve, but starve so dreamlessly; Not that they sow, but that they seldom reap; Not that they serve, but have no gods to serve; Not that they die, but that they die like sheep.

That poem by Vachel Lindsey captures the sorry plight that is socialistic Western Europe today, a plight we here in America may soon experience in all its glory.

Larrey Anderson’s article on AmericanThinker.com, “Waltzing on the Titanic,” lacks the poetic touch but deals with much the same theme.

The article not only drips with sarcasm but is aptly titled and right on the money with its contention that America’s youth are oblivious as to the ultimate fate they chose on Election Day by casting their ballots for Democrats: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/waltzing_on_the_titanic_1.html.

Their models are their counterparts in Western Europe who largely live lives of quiet desparation in their socialist Nirvanas.

As Anderson writes of the Europeans, “In their leisurely conversations when they have finished condemning capitalism, they go on to praise the idea of socialism. They do not praise their own countries.” There’s little to praise.

He presents a dismal picture of the past, present, and future of socialism in Europe where youths have been so brainwashed...

(Read the rest of this article at http://genelalor.com/.)

Posted by: Berlet98 at November 17, 2008 3:07 PM

PRAISE JESUS! The Christians are getting laid off!

Focus cuts 202 jobs in its biggest layoff ever

Focus on the Family announced today that it is eliminationg 202 jobs in the coming weeks -- 149 through layoffs and 53 by not filling vacant positions. It's the biggest layoff in the history of the Colorado Springs-based ministry, and comes on top of 46 announced in October that will take effect at the beginning of 2009.

----------
Too bad they spent a HALF A MILLION on Prop 8! Gee, I hope the people they laid off don't suffer.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Dino at November 17, 2008 5:12 PM

Dicko,
If you would move out of mommies basement and get a job then maybe you could understand why businesses are laying off. They see the obaba and know things will get worse. But since you're only around 25 I'm sure mommie will let you stay for a while. Unless she gets laid off,then out you go. Laugh that one off funny boy.

Posted by: Farmer Ted at November 17, 2008 6:09 PM

This is my impersonation of the retarded dino: (ahem) brianstem,brianstem, brianstem, brianstem, brianstem, brianstem ... brianstem.

Just like typical liberal know-nothings, he chants one word phrases like the obamanation. He is so full of hate I bet if one searches hard, he just buried his mommy and daddy in the basement wall. Just think of this: this moron comes into a conservative site, rants on and blathers incoherently about the republicans under Clinton being corrupt, yet it was their conservative policies that gave the 1990's the success that it saw, or the evils of Prop 8. And still he gets off (masturbates) to people arguing with him and HE DOES THIS WILLINGLY. Dino, you are a sick f*ck and we all here laugh at you and your dumb ass views. now, get a job, brainstem libtard! lol

Posted by: Dino is a Libtard at November 17, 2008 6:43 PM

Oh sure, businesses are laying off in ANTICIPATION of Obama's failures! It wouldn't have anything to do with the REPUBLICAN-CREATED ECONOMIC CALAMITY, now would it? Idiot.

And why do you brainstems think "living in Mom's basement" is the biggest insult you can throw at someone? LOL

All I know is I'll sleep better knowing that there are 202 Christian fascists looking for jobs!

Posted by: Dino at November 17, 2008 6:45 PM

Dicko,
Are you so stupid that you can't see that BOTH parties f'd up the housing industry. Oh that's right you only troll libacrit sites for the FACTS.

Posted by: Farmer Ted at November 17, 2008 6:50 PM

Dino,
Do you really not realize the damage you do to your cause with the hate filled words you spew?
You leave no doubt that you truly relish the divisions Obama has thrust upon the very people he 'hopes' to unite.

Posted by: jomama at November 17, 2008 8:03 PM

Dino is jerking off again. Please, people, please stop letting him use you for lube.

He'll get his just desserts in the coming two years. I imagine he lives in a lib city (Chicago, NYC, Detroit, et al). When food prices go insane and people are rioting, he may learn the hard lesson that we've been trying to teach.

Nah.. probably not.

Good luck, Dicko. You'll need it. I hope, for the sake of your own life, you've learned to embrace the Second Amendment... because your libby co-voters WILL be coming to steal your food.

Laugh now, all you want. I'll be laughing in the end. I'm prepared. How are YOU doin?

Posted by: hiram at November 17, 2008 8:34 PM

SanfranFreaks harass Christians after mistaking them for Prop 8 demonstration

After just singing and worshiping God for a while, Roger decided that we should all hold hands in a circle and continue singing. So we did.

Someone (Actually a person who came up and hugged and kissed some of us who he knew from the past) convinced some people that we were there to protest against the no on 8 campaign.

Then some guy who was dressed up like one of the sisters (The sisters of perpetual indulgence is a group of men who dress up like nuns and call themselves the spiritual authority of the Castro.) took a curtain-type thing (Which I think they use to curse people) and wrapped it around us.

Then a crowd started gathering. We began to sing “Amazing Grace”, and basically sang that song the whole night. (At some points we also sang “Nothing but the Blood of Jesus” and “Oh the Blood of Jesus”.) At first, they just shouted at us, using crude, rude, and foul language and calling us names like “haters” and “bigots”. Since it was a long night, I can’t even begin to remember all of the things that were shouted and/or chanted at us. Then, they started throwing hot coffee, soda and alcohol on us and spitting (and maybe even peeing) on us. Then, a group of guys surrounded us with whistles, and blasted them inches away from our ears continually. Then, they started getting violent and started shoving us. At one point a man tried to steal one of our Bibles. Chrisdene noticed, so she walked up to him and said “Hey, that’s not yours, can you please give it back?”. He responded by hitting her on the head with the Bible, shoving her to the ground, and kicking her. I called the cops, and when they got there, they pulled her out of the circle and asked her if she wanted to press charges. She said “No, tell him I forgive him.”

Afterwards, she didn’t rejoin us in the circle, but she made friends with one of the people in the crowd, and really connected heart to heart. Roger got death threats. As the leader of our group, people looked him in the eyes and said “I am going to kill you.”, and they were serious. A cop heard one of them, and confronted him. (This part is kinda graphic, so you should skip the paragraph if you don’t want to be offended.) It wasn’t long before the violence turned to perversion. They were touching and grabbing me, and trying to shove things in my butt, and even trying to take off my pants - basically trying to molest me. I used one hand to hold my pants up, while I used the other arm to hold one of the girls. The guys huddled around all the girls, and protected them.

Posted by: BURNING HOT at November 17, 2008 9:11 PM

Video: Obama supporters totally ignorant about everything political

On November 4th, 2008, millions of Americans were shocked that a man of Barack Obama's limited experience, extreme liberal positions and radical political alliances could be elected President of the United States. For many of these Americans, the explanation was rather simple... the news media, completely enamored with Obama, simply refused to do their job.

Zogby Poll

512 Obama Voters

97.1% High School Graduate or higher, 55% College Graduates

Results to 12 simple Multiple Choice Questions

57.4% could NOT correctly say which party controls congress (50/50 shot just by guessing)

81.8% could NOT correctly say Joe Biden quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism (25% chance by guessing)

82.6% could NOT correctly say that Barack Obama won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot (25% chance by guessing)

88.4% could NOT correctly say that Obama said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket (25% chance by guessing)

56.1% could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by guessing).

And yet.....

Only 13.7% failed to identify Sarah Palin as the person on which their party spent $150,000 in clothes

Only 6.2% failed to identify Palin as the one with a pregnant teenage daughter

And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her "house," even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!

Posted by: BURNING HOT at November 17, 2008 9:32 PM

Never ever will i call him a president im still one defiant shorebird with a attatude

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at November 17, 2008 10:57 PM

Oh look, the loser republicans have yet another video that they think will soothe the sting of their UNBELIEVABLE DEFEAT two weeks ago!

I think you people like videos so much because your reading comprehension level is around 3rd grade level.

Posted by: Dino at November 17, 2008 10:59 PM

Van, I suggest that you read this and sign up.

Victory in Iraq Day

Spread the word.

Posted by: ent at November 17, 2008 11:49 PM

Posted by: Dino at November 17, 2008 10:00 AM

Go to the thread about Freddie and Fannie so your "democrats caused this" arguement can be totally discredited. I can't be bothered with educating the stupid on every thread and posting the same rebuttal over and over.

Google Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac along with "redlining," "mortgage-backed security," "Clinton" and "implied federal backing." It should take you literally no longer than five minutes to prove yourself laughably mistaken in your assessment of who caused what.

Think for a moment about what you're saying. The democrats, out of power and locked out of most policy-making decisions by a fascist republican Congress for the bulk of 14 years, stopped the republicans from doing something, anything? With a republican President? Does that even pass the laugh test?

You just used the word "fascist" in a debate about mortgages and the broader financial market. You lose by default. As for

As for blaming government: Perhaps a case can be made for blaming an ineffective government, but that's due to the republicans having been in control of it.

Um the Democrats were in control of the government for the last two years - in which the financial crisis occurred, if you didn't notice.

John McCain and George W Bush both urged reforms to FRE/FMC but were blocked by Barney Frank chiefly and other Democrats who stated they wanted to "roll the dice" on sub-prime lending regulations and that neither quasi-federal was in trouble. Try to get at least a basic grasp of facts before attempting to debate, really.

Also, were the bad loans made by the government?

No. They were made at the behest of the government, specifically the Clinton administration, and the mechanisms maintained by Barney Frank and other congressional Democrats. Hell even your man Obama himself was involved - he headed an "anti-redlining" lawsuit against Citi at one point forcing it into sub-prime lending. But then you wouldn't know that, because it doesn't fit the vague "oh but the Republicans have been in power for like 30 years, and deregulated the markets so it's their fault" meme. Get a grip, asshole.

Were the exotic, faulty and fraudulent financial instruments created by Wall Street republicans- CDOs, MBSs- a government invention? I think not.

Haha .. er .. check political contributions to politicians from Wall Street and in particular FRE/FMC. You will notice something rather interesting - that contributions to Democrats including Barack Obama outweigh contributions to Republicans inc. John McCain by around tenfold. The frat boy idiots running the bad-apple banks and financial institutions that took the bait of a bite at the government apple in the first place made damn sure to do their best to keep the party of free markets out of the driving seat and away from the cut-em-loose button. Once again you are entirely mistaken in your assessment - which is not surprising given that left/liberal/Democrats never give more than a passing nod to facts, truth or accuracy in a debate ESPECIALLY one on finance or economics. Oh and as you are most likely not aware a fair majority of conservatives opposed the bailouts - they were forced upon us and upon the majority of the banking sector, against our will, by RINOs and Democrats.

Face it, brainstems. Your ideology was in TOTAL control of the government and did NOTHING to avert the crisis we're in.

You mean our ideology, which was NOT in total control of the government, did not manage to head off YOUR ideology's efforts to destroy the economy? Hm, I'm scratching my head for how that makes Republicans/the right the most culpable but I'm not coming up with anything.

Hey - either provide something disproving the recorded fact that the Clinton administration pushed lenders into sub-prime territory via legislation and congressional Democrats kept them there, and that both the sitting Republican president and this cycle's Republican candidate attempted to reform FRE/FMC but were blocked - once again by Democrats - or STFU with your idiotic canards. Again - these are matters of fact that are available within the public record for your perusal. Address the facts before apportioning blame, rather than apportioning blame based on some sort of post-modern abstract children's story about ideologies being in charge of government and failing to stop something happening. It's ludicrous and the amount of emotion you inject into the discussion when you present nothing in the way of hard fact or economic analysis is indicative of a purely emotive take on the situation and blame apportioned to one party out of convenience as it ties in with your pre-existing distaste for that party's ideology. IOW you are making an utter fool of yourself with partisan hackery on an issue you clearly fail to understand on even the most basic level - but then you are presumably a liberal so that is par for the course, I guess.

In fact, the republicans exacerbated it by catering to the crooks whowere their best buddies.

Proof? Evidence? Again, the facts: McCain and Bush 43 both urged reform of the federal lenders, both times they were blocked by Democrats. Contributions to Democrats from the lenders outweigh contributions to Republicans almost tenfold. You are attempting to completely invert the facts of the situation.

Did you all forget the lobbying scandals that sent Abramoff to jail and was instrumental in handing the Congress to democrats in 2006? Did you think we forgot?

And.. That has what, precisely, to do with the housing market? Hey some Republicans did something wrong previously so that must mean they are also responsible for the mortgage and credit market collapse! Yeah that totally makes sense.

You people always talk about personal responsibility and then spend most of your time deflecting blame for what you've caused onto others. Won't work.

Again, Bush and McCain urged reform of FRE/FMC. Which part of this are you failing to comprehend?

When Obama takes office and the dems increase their grip on the reins of power, they're going to continue branding this meltdown with a big "PROPERTY OF THE GOP".

Hey Obama's campaign rested in large part on lies, why shouldn't his presidency?

You're out of power for a generation or more. You blew it. It's O-V-E-R for conservatism

Yeah, yeah. Enjoy your masturbatory fantasies while they last; and remember the left-stream media can cover for Obama and the rest of the Democrats for only so long. Republicans losing power is increasingly looking like the best thing that could have happened for the right at this point. President McCain sure as shootin' would have been a disaster and y'all would have had another whipping boy to replace W as the source of all that is evil and wrong. Now, you ain't. got. nowhere. to. hide. and the cracks are ALREADY starting to show. Case in point: biggest post-election selloff in stocks EVER - which is NOT an indication that financial professionals trust Obama or the Democrats to do anything but wreck the already-fragile economy. Hey it's not like you don't have a track record.

and free market capitalism for a very long time.

Keep dreaming. You will find out firsthand and in very short order what happens to a financial market when someone decides it should be run by politicians rather than financial professionals. It's not like you shouldn't already know - the entire mess was caused by government intrusion in the first place despite your ignorance and lies.

You leftards will never swallow your pride but you will be secretly begging for a return of the right in 4 years, 8 max, so that you will have someone to fix up the incredible amounts of sh!t you are about to unleash and who you can simultaneously blame for everything that goes wrong. Hey we'll have had a rest from simultaneously being the doers, creators and providers and functioning as the big bad enemy for a couple years, and it's not like we're not used to handling both roles anyway with you asstards freeloading on our backs.

Oh and just before we slip away into the night briefly, here are a couple of cheery reminders about what your guy will provide you in the next four years or until he gets himself impeached, whichever comes first:

-Russian belligerence - Medvedev is not half as big an asshole as Putin was and yet he's already kicked your wimpy Messiah back to GOP positions on missile defence;

-You're probably not getting the "tax cut"

-He will have to wait to withdraw troops from Iraq or will probably find himself impeached or at best dead in the water as the most unpopular president of all time.

Etc. Enjoy running the shop while the grown-ups step out for a minute!

Posted by: mandible claw at November 18, 2008 12:33 AM

Oh look, the loser republicans have yet another video that they think will soothe the sting of their UNBELIEVABLE DEFEAT two weeks ago!

The UNBELIEVABLE DEFEAT!!!1!!!!!! that was widely predicted by every single polling outlet for six months prior to the election? Where your guy only just made Kerry's vote total and half the Republicans didn't show up to vote for McSame?

Hell the only thing unbelievable about it was that McCain got as close as he did; and that was only because of Sarah Palin. She was the one and only horse we had in the race.

Oh, and guess what: we're over it. Already. Remember how it took you assholes eight years .. oh wait, you're STILL not over Bush beating your asses twice, and you want to take your childish petulance out against Republicans, the economy, and Sarah Palin for the entirety of your (mercifully brief, all things being even) upcoming stint in power.

You still haven't realised that although you won with an anti-Bush, anti-GOP campaign you're not going to be able to lead on a purely anti-Bush, anti-GOP platform of government - because it doesn't exist. It's a negative. You elected a guy who by his own admission and the testimony of others is a blank slate for others to project their desires and aims onto, and has been since his days at Harvard Law Review. Now every mendacious special interest that supported him - big labour, La Raza, George Soros, hell even his overseas supporters - will want a piece of him and of his power for themselves, and he won't know any different than to give it to them.

I think you people like videos so much because your reading comprehension level is around 3rd grade level.

Yeah.. Either that or it could be because this is an Open Thread which is used to post links and tips for the site, not a discussion thread.

Posted by: mandible claw at November 18, 2008 12:45 AM

Moonbat math calculates that vegetable oil as fuel makes money magically appear from the Negative Zone

The fueling process itself takes about an hour, Sara Janssen said, adding that the couple invested in an on-board oil filtration system, which strains the "batter and chicken chunks" before the oil reaches the engine. [...]

Having traded up to their 1998 Western Alpine Coach in September, they figure that they have traveled about 20,000 miles in all and resorted to diesel fuel just once, outside of Austin, Texas.

"It was our fault," Janssen said. "We didn't start looking early enough."

She estimates that they saved about $25,000 using the kitchen grease instead of conventional fuel.

Now, to save $25,000 on fuel while traveling 20,000 miles doesn't make sense. Reportedly, their RV gets eight miles per gallon of fuel. That means 2,500 gallons were used for 20,000 miles. $25,000 divided by 2,500 gallons equals $10 savings per gallon of vegetable oil used.

With diesel running below $3 a gallon, how do the Janssens save $10 a gallon by replacing it with vegetable oil? Maybe they used some type of global warming math.

Posted by: BURNING HOT at November 18, 2008 12:53 AM

PREAMBLE to the journalist’s code of conduct, ethics, and responsibility as set forth by the SPJ, the Society of Professional Journalists:

“Members of the Society of Professional Journalists believe that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. The duty of the journalist is to further those ends by seeking truth and providing a fair and comprehensive account of events and issues. Conscientious journalists from all media and specialties strive to serve the public with thoroughness and honesty. Professional integrity is the cornerstone of a journalist’s credibility. Members of the Society share a dedication to ethical behavior and adopt this code to declare the Society’s principles and standards of practice.”

That code goes on to outline in some detail specific do’s and don’ts for professional journalists, including: “Seek Truth and Report It,” Minimize Harm,” “Act Independently,” and “Be Accountable.” (http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp)

The SPJ alleges that the code was “voluntarily embraced by thousands of writers, editors and news professionals” after its adoption in 1996 and what amounts to the national club for such people, the ASNE, the American Society of Newspaper Editors, proclaims on its website it is “a firm supporter of the First Amendment in the United States and freedom of the press everywhere.”

That’s all very impressive, and all very much a crock of. . ., let me rephrase, baloney.

Anyone who closely follows the news in this country, or even those who cursorily check it, has to be aware that the ethics of the Journalistic School of Jayson Blair, named after the New York Times prized and disgraced professional plagiarist and liar, is the prevailing moral sense that dominates the thinking, writing, publishing, and telecasting by today’s journalists.

No highfalluting, visionary language from the SPJ or the ASNE can conceal the reality that the majority of American news media slant the news in the direction that fits their political inclinations.

Those distortions, misrepresentations and omissions have been demonstrated over the last decade or so by the Monica Lewinsky coverup, the Jayson Blair affair, Dan Rather’s lies, the John Edwards scandal, and virtually the entire eight years of George W. Bush’s administration, and the entire John McCain campaign for the presidency.

What happened to the SPJ’s commitments, “embraced” by most journalists, to “public enlightenment,” “seeking truth,” “honesty,” and “professional integrity?”

Is it any wonder that major and lesser newspapers are sliding into oblivion...

(Read the rest of this article at http://genelalor.com/.)

Posted by: Berlet98 at November 18, 2008 1:32 AM

Mandible Claw-

Very well said. Thank you for that!

Posted by: Murff at November 18, 2008 5:52 AM

Huh??!! Whaa??!! What was the guy talking about?? I was too busy concentrating on the reporter!!! Smokin!!!!

Posted by: Wehrmeister at November 18, 2008 11:03 AM