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October 7, 2008

Weather Underground Forerunners of Our Potential Next Administration

Jonah Goldberg provides background on the Weather Underground, led by the unrepentant William Ayers, whose political protégé may soon be given America's nuclear codes:

Bourgeois self-loathing lay at the very heart of the New Left's hatred of liberalism, its love affair with violence, and its willingness to take a sledgehammer to Western civilization. "We're against everything that's 'good and decent' in honky America," declared one rebel. "We will burn and loot and destroy. We are the incubation of your mother's worst nightmare." The Weathermen became the storm troopers of the New Left, horrifying even those who agreed with their cause. Convinced that all whites were born tainted with the original sin of "skin privilege," the fighting brigade of the New Left internalized racialist thinking as hatred of their own whiteness. "All white babies are pigs," declared one Weatherman. On one occasion the feminist poet Robin Morgan was breast-feeding her son at the offices of the radical journal Rat. A Weatherwoman saw this and told her, "You have no right to have that pig male baby." "How can you say that?" Morgan asked. "What should I do?" "Put it in the garbage," the Weatherwoman answered.

Sounds like a certain Illinois State Senator's attitude toward babies who survive botched abortions.

Bernadine Dohrn [Ayers' wife], an acid-loving University of Chicago law student turned revolutionary, reflected the widespread New Left fascination with the serial-killing hippie Übermensch Charles Manson. "Dig It! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim's stomach! Wild!" In appreciation, her Weather Underground cell made a three-fingered "fork" gesture its official salute.

Why not just put Charles Manson in the White House? At least he can be charismatic even without a teleprompter.

Even liberal CNN acknowledges Ayers's key role in Obama's career.

On a tip from V the K.

Posted by Van Helsing at October 7, 2008 9:32 AM


Could you be more melodramatic, or mistaken?

Regardless of what Rush Limbaugh may have told you, William Ayers was NOT the 'leader' of the Weather Underground, is currently a University professor, and MOST importantly is NOT an Obama ADVISOR!!!

Ayers and Obama have met far less often than McCain and his right-wing wacko buddy G. Gordon Liddy have... So our options are someone with a small aquaintance to a University professor who was a radical in the 60's, and a guy who's good friends with a man who spent 4 years in prison for crimes that are tatamount to treason, and even more recently suggested on his radio show that cult leaders hording guns should shoot ATF officers IN THE HEAD to get around their body armor...

WHO'S more off balance?

Posted by: OCKerouac at October 7, 2008 9:54 AM

Could you be more melodramatic, or mistaken?

Quoting the leftist radicals who mentored and brought Obama to politics is melodramatic and mistaken?

So our options are someone with a small aquaintance to a University professor who was a radical in the 60's

Um, someone who hand-picks me to lead a left-wing board that dispenses millions to activist groups and then launches my political career in his living room is hardly a small acquaintance.

Also, Rush Limbaugh isn't running for president, you idiot.

Posted by: V the K at October 7, 2008 9:59 AM

Oh, and he wasn't just any 60's radical. He bombed the Pentagon, the NYPD, and the U.S. Capitol. His girlfriend and two others were killed while building a bomb that he designed and intended to be used to kill American soldiers at Fort Dix.

Wonderful people you on the left choose for your heroes.

Posted by: V the K at October 7, 2008 10:03 AM

Sitting in a church of black radical preaching black liberation theology (communism) like Reverend Wright is of much more significance since its more current. Obama threw Wright and his entire church under the bus once they became politically inconvenient but that doesnt chance the fact he was a member of a church that gave an achievement award to a total scumbag like Rev. Louis Farakhan. Even after Obama, earlier this year said, " “I can no more disown him[Rev. Wright", than I can the Black Community”". So I guess Obama could one day disown the black community? Seems so.

Posted by: Anonymous at October 7, 2008 10:28 AM

So I guess Obama could one day disown the black community? Seems so.

He was never a member of the black community to begin with. He didn't grow up in the ghetto. Neither of his parents were descendants of slaves. Neither he nor his parents took part in any civil rights struggles. He has nothing in common with the American black "community." He is a marxist clown with black skin who will use black Americans to bring about a marxist agenda.. yet again, despite that black Americans decidedly do not hold marxist values.

Posted by: Sanchez El Magna at October 7, 2008 10:57 AM


Posted by: Spurwing Plover at October 7, 2008 11:22 AM

What does serving on a board with this man mean about Obama? Especially since the organization had a positive goal.

I am more concerned about McCain's service on the board of the Council of World Freedom.

I am more concerned about Palin's husband being an active member of a secessionist group whose leader advocated hate and violence.

I am more concerned that McCain/Palin are enciting violence against a Presidential candidate. That sort of thing used to happen only in third world countries.

Posted by: roald at October 7, 2008 11:25 AM

Hello "concern troll." Allow me to shoot down your phony arguments.

Obama was hand-picked by Ayers to lead the CAC board, distributed millions of dollars to radical left-wing causes under the auspices thereof, and achieve ZERO in the way of improved education for Chicago schoolchildren.

I can understand why lefties would hate the CWF. After all, the Marxist Sandinistas are your team, aren't they?

The AIP never bombed the Pentagon, never bombed the Capitol, never bombed the NYPD, and never tried to bomb American soldiers with a nail bomb designed by Ayers. In fact, the AIP seems to have done nothing more than peaceably assemble to petition the government for a redress of grievances, which is their Constitutional right. (Why do you lefties hate it when people exercise their Constitutional rights?)

McCain and Palin have never "encited" (sic) violence against anyone. (Learn to spell, idiot.) But you know what does happen in third world countries? Politicians hand out public money to their cronies (like Tony Rezko, Jeremiah Wright, Father Pfleger and the hospital Obama's wife happened to work for). Unscrupulous politicians send thugs to harass and intimidate the opposition... such as the vandalism against McCain supporters and the mass calls to radio shows that host Comrade Obama's critics. They also use the tools of government to silence opposition, like when Comrade Obama threatened to use the Justice Department to shut down his critics.

So, it seems the one who associates with terrorists, partners with anti-American radicals, uses thug tactics and graft is... your Obamassiah.

Posted by: V the K at October 7, 2008 11:45 AM

"Why not just put Charles Manson in the White House? At least he can be charismatic even without a teleprompter."

Well, you know, he didn't actually do the killings himself. I know he's never repudiated his former activities, but he hasn't participated in mass murder or cult leading for years. He's a "former" maniacal mass murderer/cult leader, so why not? - the media

Posted by: forest at October 7, 2008 12:22 PM

Well, you know, he didn't actually do the killings himself. I know he's never repudiated his former activities, but he hasn't participated in mass murder or cult leading for years. He's a "former" maniacal mass murderer/cult leader, so why not? -

Cheese, it's a wonder Manson isn't a university professor. You'd think they could at least get him an honorary degree like that other left wing murderer-hero, Mumia Jamal.

Posted by: V the K at October 7, 2008 12:45 PM

Nice to be a troll. Balances the right-wing trolls that lurk elsewhere. by the way, their spelling is even worse.

You have not addressed any connection between what Obama believes and what Ayers believes or has done. Guilt by association is a cheap rhetorical trick. If there were any connection, please provide objective proof - not a blog - that Obama was hand-selected and hand-selected for any reason other than being the best person for that position. Please provide a link to a reputable source for how the grants were used.

The CWF is a terrorist organization, just not operating in the US. or is it OK because their targets were on the left? You also cannot seem to appreciate that the is a range of beliefs on the left and the right. Would it be accurate to call you a National Socialist because you are right of center?

As for the AIP...I would like to quote Joe Vogler, "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government." Separately he has cursed the US flag. Doesn't sound like peaceful assembly to petition. The only difference between AIP and Weather Underground is that, unfortunately, the Weather Underground was competent enough to carryout their intent. Last time I looked, it was the right wing of this country that has succeeded in taking away people's rights. The very thing that honest Republicans used to hate.

Most politicians are dishonest and use their position for personal gain. It is not limited to those on the left. The issue is which ones are less corrupt. For every left-wing criminal you can name, I can name one on the right.

I have listened to the tapes of the Palin/McCain events and the responses from the crowds. If they are not smart enough to realize what they are doing, they are not smart enough to lead this country. If they are smart enough, they do not have the integrity to lead.

Posted by: roald at October 7, 2008 12:56 PM

Poking sticks into right-wing cages is fun. I will have to bookmark this site. Interesting to see real world examples of the study that demonstrated that conservatives stick to their taking points more strongly as objective evidence to the contrary becomes available.

Posted by: roald at October 7, 2008 1:03 PM

roald obviously never read either of Obama's books.

Posted by: JamesJ at October 7, 2008 1:20 PM

Maybe roald needs a telepromter.

Posted by: Farmer Ted at October 7, 2008 1:56 PM

Personal attacks, discredited accusations and roumers do not make a good argument.
But you're a hard-core Liberal/socialist, so reality doesn't matter, only THE CAUSE.

Come now, be a sport and tell us why we should be Liberals and maybe we'll damn conservatism and praise Oblama like you. The last few times I made this request, it was ignored while one troll acted all snobish and ELITIST. It has always confounded thinking people that the ones who live in a free country, yet demand communism are high-income persons of privlege.

Posted by: KHarn at October 7, 2008 1:56 PM

Yawn. The connections in ideology are self-evident. Ayers hand-picked Obama to head an organization that handed out millions to ideologically radical organizations. Obviously, their views had to be in sync.

I am unaware of any terrorist acts committed by the CWF or the AIP, unlike the Weather Underground, which bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol, the NYPD, and was plotting to kill American soldiers.

Obama is running for president, which makes his corruption vastly more relevant than that of garden variety politicians.

And the last statement is as idiotic as the other ones, unless you are willing to call supporters of The Obamassiah stupid for chanting and fainting at the sound of his name.

Swatting down left-wing idiots gets tedious... they have no original thoughts, but merely repeat the same moribund talking points from HuffPo, Kos, and Olbermann.

Posted by: V the K at October 7, 2008 2:47 PM

The thing I have found time and again is that they don't want us. They'd like to use us for our votes, but we are too independant in nature to fit in with their plans-- we're too "uncouth" and "uncultured" to fit into their itellectual diagrams (even though this defies logic, as some of the world's great thinkers have been staunchly conservative). We're the bottom layer in the happy socialist's idea of a perfect society. We're an expendable asset at best and a loathesome burden at worst. As long as we work hard for the collective and keep supporting the ruling class we are fine. As soon as we speak up and pull away from the yoke we're soundly dealt with. No... they won't convince us to join their cause-- because they won't plead with us in a convincing manner-- because they didn't really want us in the first place.

Posted by: Thulsa Doom at October 7, 2008 4:14 PM

Posted by: V the K at October 7, 2008 5:29 PM

Guys, it's nice to be loved.

James] and Farmer Ted. Wish I knew about what you are talking.

KHarn. You seem to be willing to help me understand. Please give me a few examples of personal attacks, discredited accusations, and rumors you mention. I regularly check and I am disappointed in the misstatements made by Obama and Biden concerning McCain's policies. They reduce my trust in their other assertions. I am also disappointed in those made by McCain and Palin. I am appalled, however, by the personal attacks McCain and Palin make. They are personal attacks, discredited accusations, and rumors.

V the K. I do not feel swatted. You simply repeated what you wrote before. My response remains the same. Say something new. Provide some independently verifiable proof.

Posted by: roald at October 7, 2008 7:22 PM

V the K. Can I call you V?

Michelle Obama and Bernadine Dohrn worked at the same law firm at the same time. John McCain and Ho Chi Minh were in the same country at the same time. What does either prove?

Posted by: roald at October 7, 2008 7:27 PM

I'm thinking that John McCain didn't interview with Ho Chi Minh before being offered a job as an "associate" POW.

Posted by: PabloD at October 7, 2008 8:49 PM

What does either prove?
That BHO is treated better by Communists that John McCain.

Posted by: joe at October 8, 2008 12:47 AM

Roald, you repeated your same HuffKos talking points, and so I refuted them again. When you get your next set of talking points, I can again refute them by showing the stupidity of your comparisons... like comparing a prisoner and the dictator of the country he was imprisoned in to two co-workers at an ideologically radical law firm.

You really are that dumb. What a bummer.

Posted by: V the K at October 8, 2008 5:25 AM

V the K. This is getting boring. You have refuted nothing. The comparison I made was just as ridiculous as the one you are trying to apply. How about McCain on the board of an extreme right-wing organization? Does that call his judgment into question or is it OK as long as it was against the left-wing in another country?

You have repeated the same unproven allegations to attempt to infer Obama is a terrorist. Did you see what happened on Hannity & Colmes last night? The part where someone tried to use the same guilt by association on Hannity? He got very upset.

PalboD. You are correct. I will elaborate on the question. What does serving on the same board with Ayers and other prominent people, including well known Republicans, demonstrate?

Posted by: roald at October 8, 2008 6:09 AM

I challenged you to identify terrorist attacks committed by the AIP. You can't. So your comparison of the AIP to the Weather Underground fails.

I have never tried to "infer" that Obama is a terrorist. That he surrounds himself with people who are radical, who hate American values, and who have even committed terrorist acts against the United States (even trying to kill soldiers) speaks to his poor judgment and radicalism. Alternately, to his stupidity if he claims he was unaware of their actions, as his apologists have.

By the way, I think you mean "imply" not "infer." You see, the speaker implies, but the listener infers.

Once again demonstrating, you aren't very bright.

Posted by: V the K at October 8, 2008 6:40 AM

"How about McCain on the board of an extreme right-wing organization?"

Is he? No? Didn't think so.

The most direct comparison would be if McCain had kicked off his political career in the house of and had served on multiple boards with a leader of that right wing survivalist group that used to rob armored cars and was planning to overthrow the government. That's the closest parallel to Ayers I can think of, but, of course, McCain did not do this.

Posted by: forest at October 8, 2008 6:40 AM

A defining characteristic of a moonbat is the inability to tell the difference between valid and invalid comparisons, analogies, metaphors etc.

Posted by: forest at October 8, 2008 6:50 AM

To the left, the Federalist Society is an "Extreme Right Wing Organization," but the Weather Underground and ACORN are just "community activists."

Posted by: V the K at October 8, 2008 6:52 AM

You know guys, the best option for dealing with the liberal trolls who are so desperate they have to go on a conservative website and pick fights is to just ignore them. They're just coming here to rack up points among their chums. You can argue with them til you are purple in the face, and it will do nothing-- they are as convinced of the holiness of their glorious leader as we are of his dubious nature. That said... good show, gents!

Posted by: Thulsa Doom at October 8, 2008 7:39 AM

I don't argue with lib-trolls for any purpose other than my own amusement and that of others. I'm not even a McCain supporter, but I despise dishonesty, and dishonest comparisons. I feel an obligation to set the record right that overcomes my aversion to whack-a-troll on occasion.

Posted by: V the K at October 8, 2008 9:41 AM

V the K, just out of curiosity... what are you planning on doing on election day?

Posted by: Thulsa Doom at October 8, 2008 9:45 AM

I am thinking of going up to PA to help with Bill Russell's GOTV on Election Day.

Posted by: V the K at October 8, 2008 12:28 PM

It's hard to explain something to you when you refuse to see it as a problem. You believe ANYTHING that your Liberals masters tell you is the god's own truth and when challenged, you either ignor it or cite Liberals on other sites as proof.

You have refused to answer my challenge to convince us that Liberalsism is great and good because it would have forced you to THINK about it. Thulsa Doom answered nicely, (thank you) but I wanted to hear such honesty from a Liberal.

Please, ROALD. Please tell us how YOU came to be a Liberal. we know that you were not born that way, so tell us what convinced you. Any Liberal reading this can answer, I really want to know!

Posted by: KHarn at October 8, 2008 4:33 PM

KHarn, Roald probably was seduced like so many of his type by all those fuzzy feel-good buzz words and concepts (ushered by a dollop of liberal guilt) found in this endorsement:

"Barack Obama is not a left candidate. This fact has seemingly surprised a number of progressive people who are bemoaning Obama’s “shift to the center.” (Right-wingers are happy to join them, suggesting Obama is a “flip-flopper.”) It’s sad that some who seek progressive change are missing the forest for the trees. But they will not dampen the wide and deep enthusiasm for blocking a third Bush term represented by John McCain, or for bringing Obama by a landslide into the White House with a large Democratic congressional majority.

A broad multiclass, multiracial movement is converging around Obama’s “Hope, change and unity” campaign because they see in it the thrilling opportunity to end 30 years of ultra-right rule and move our nation forward with a broadly progressive agenda.

This diverse movement combines a variety of political currents and aims in a working coalition that is crucial to social progress at this point. At the core are America’s working families, of all hues and ethnicities, whose determination to move forward does not depend on, and will not be diverted by, the daily twists and turns of this watershed presidential campaign. They are taking the long view.

Notably, the labor movement has stepped up its independent mobilization for this election. It is leading an unprecedented campaign to educate and unify its ranks to elect the nation’s first African American president. Last week, AFL-CIO Secretary-Treasurer Richard Trumka told the Steelworkers convention that there is “no evil that’s inflicted more pain and more suffering than racism — and it’s something we in the labor movement have a special responsibility to challenge.”

If Obama’s candidacy represented nothing more than the spark for this profound initiative to unite the working class and defeat the pernicious influence of racism, it would be a transformative candidacy that would advance progressive politics for the long term.

The struggle to defeat the ultra-right and turn our country on a positive path will not end with Obama’s election. But that step will shift the ground for successful struggles going forward.

One thing is clear. None of the people’s struggles — from peace to universal health care to an economy that puts Main Street before Wall Street — will advance if McCain wins in November.

Let’s keep our eyes on the prize."

Van, you probably know the source. I'll check back to see if ROALD is on board with it. Probably so.

Posted by: Hope at October 9, 2008 2:51 AM