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July 21, 2008

Alleged Libertarian Bob Barr Endorses Goracle's Call for Totalitarian Measures

In case anyone has been driven by sheer desperation to consider voting for Bob Barr:

Libertarian presidential candidate Bob Barr praised Al Gore, who challenged the United States Thursday to run on 100 percent zero-carbon electricity within 10 years.

According to Barr, the Goracle's apocalyptic hysteria "makes sense." How our civilization could quickly rid itself of the fossil fuels upon which the economy is based without massive government coercion — not to mention extreme economic hardship — was left unexplained. Gore himself called for taxing carbon emissions — i.e., all human activity.

Barr opines that the global warming hoax, a transparent cover for the imposition of a command-and-control economy, is something the other candidates haven't "sufficiently addressed" — by which he seems to mean, "bought into."

By siding with totalitarianism against individual liberty, Barr emphasizes that the Libertarian Party is a haven not so much for classical liberals, as for misfits too kooky to vote for parties that might win.

Unsurprisingly, McCain and Obama praised the Goracle's unhinged speech too. But at least they had better things to do than attend it. McCain and Barr do differentiate themselves from the complete lunatics by endorsing nuclear energy, unlike Gore, who wants us to get by on windmills and pixie dust. As for Obama, he just wants to eat his waffle — and, of course, raise taxes:

Posted by Van Helsing at July 21, 2008 11:03 AM

Comments

OK, so what about the Constitution Party Candidate, "what's his name"? Will he jump the sane ship too? I have lost all faith in this country to exercise the sanity of the founding fathers I'm afraid.

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at July 21, 2008 11:21 AM

It took a while, but he finally got around to the tax raising at the 3:20 mark. He drones on for a few minutes, and then slips in the tax hike when everyone is starting to nod out. Good technique.

Posted by: forest at July 21, 2008 11:21 AM

It's a fine mess we're in. The Democratic party has no liberals (in the classical sense). The GOP has no conservatives (ditto). The Libertarians apparently have no libertarians.

How can someone who accepts the totalitarian overtones of the global warming swindle call themselves libertarian? Actually, he doesn't, because he was a Republican who now masquerades as a Libertarian (capital 'L'). You mean to tell me that there isn't one Libertarian that truly reflects Lib values that they could put on the Presidential ticket? Not ONE?!

Unfortunately, it looks like Van Helsing is right. Today's Libertarian Party is stocked with people whose views and ideas are so far out that even the Dhimmis and Religious Right won't have them. That's a shame, because America could use a good Libertarian right about now.

Posted by: CoderInCrisis at July 21, 2008 11:39 AM

Ron Paul for all his whimpiness, at least denouced the "truther theory" and did stand for less government and holding to the Constitution. Kind of makes me wish I'd have done more to back him. I just couldn't get past the whiney/whimpy image thing.

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at July 21, 2008 12:49 PM

Let's see, "carbon-free energy production". That's a toughy! Hmmm....

OK, the two greatest energy-producers that make little or no carbon are hydro-electric dams and nuclear power plant.
The former isn't practical evrywhere and "harms the enviorment", while the construction and upgrading of latter has been all but banned since the seventies. Not to mention that nuclear power is "EEEVIL!".
Well, I'm stumpped!

Yeah, I know, "solar and wind power". First, in order to be practical, solar and wind "farms" have to cover several HUNDRED acers of land and the power output is a fraction of a coal-fired power plant that covers less than a hundred acers.

Then there's TIDAL power.
That was tried in Maine durring the 1930s. Maine was selected (I forget the place) because it had the highest tidal flows in the world. But the power was needed HUNDREDS OF MILES AWAY and a COAL-BURNING had to be built to produce electricity while the tide basin filled. It worked, but it wasn't efficent.
So it turned out to be just a huge, government-backed science project!

Posted by: KHarn at July 21, 2008 2:16 PM

Oh, fuck.

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at July 21, 2008 3:18 PM

KHarn, you hit the head on the nail with your tidal pool analogy concerning Base Production requirements on the T&D grid.

If they start adding MWs of sun and wind generated power into the grid, they must also build an equal amount of additional conventional Base Power Generation to offset/balance the load factors on the grid. Wind and sunshine do not provide reliable load factors.

Currently, the only way to store wind or sun generated energy is with water, and the EnvironMoonBats are not letting us build any new dams.

Nukes are the only cost effective answer at around $.25 per KWH at this time. Even with today's best technology, wind still costs as much as $4.50 per KWH, and is only economical to sell to people because of HUGE ongoing Gov Tax subs and offsets.

Even the professionals in the commercial wind generation (farm) business will tell anyone who listens that wind power generation will never commercially pay for its self unless supported by huge taxpayer supported subs, for the life of the operation. The lifecycle costs are too high for the

So, we could do the right thing and pay $4 KWH boondoggles to make ALGOR and T. Boon even more wealthy.

Posted by: Oiao at July 21, 2008 3:51 PM

Chuck Baldwin anyone?

Posted by: Anonymous at July 21, 2008 4:20 PM

I've never thought of the Libertarian Party as representing classical liberals, except in the most academic possible sense. For many years it's been a party of ill-uninformed, sometimes delusional, freaks who oscillate between anarchism and Marxism depending on their mood of the moment. As with Ron Paul's nutty supporters/skinheads/kids living in mom's basement. Classical liberals like myself do not usually get a candidate to vote for these days, now that the Republican Party has moved on to ... something else, whatever it is.

Posted by: mega at July 21, 2008 4:48 PM

Oh, fuck.

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at July 21, 2008 3:18 PM

I just love profoundness from our friends across the pond. Pretty much says it all.

Chuck Baldwin anyone?

Posted by: Anonymous at July 21, 2008 4:20 PM

Thanks Anon... that's the Constitution Party candidate I couldn't think of!

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at July 21, 2008 4:51 PM

H.A.M.- it's not often I can sum up my thoughts in just two words :oD

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at July 21, 2008 5:32 PM

Just to make this a bit sadder, here's the transcript of Barr talking to Glen Beck on the subject-

"BECK: OK. Well, you know what? Obama is -- Obama is exactly what I would expect Obama to be on global warming and taxing and redistribution of wealth.

McCain, unfortunately, is exactly, now, what I expect the Republicans to be. He is one of the guys pushing cap and trade and global warming. You don`t believe in global warming?

BARR: Global warming is a myth. And yet it`s being used by the environmental folks, by the internationalists. A lot of the pressure is coming from the United Nations and other countries. Some of which, like China, of course, are pushing the Kyoto Protocol. Why? Because they`re exempt. It`s going to saddle us.

And what is McCain doing? He`s out there buying into this global warming, carbon emission cap and trade."

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at July 21, 2008 5:54 PM

Did any of you actually read the transcript or watch the interview?

"BARR: Global warming is a myth. And yet it`s being used by the environmental folks, by the internationalists. A lot of the pressure is coming from the United Nations and other countries. Some of which, like China, of course, are pushing the Kyoto Protocol. Why? Because they`re exempt. It`s going to saddle us."

At least read the damn transcript before drinking Van Helsing's kool aid.

Posted by: Dan at July 21, 2008 6:01 PM

Barr's press release.

"Former Vice President Al Gore and I have met privately to discuss the issue of global warming, and I was pleased and honored that he invited me to
attend the "We" Campaign event. Global warming is a reality as most every organization that has studied the matter has concluded, whether
conservative-leaning, liberal oriented or independent. I am, however, also aware that scientists differ on its causes, impact and remedies. I remain
firmly committed to free market solutions and innovations to address this issue; not tax-driven policies."

Not sure quite what he's saying there, but then he is a politician. "Global warming is a reality." Then he fudges a bit about scientists disagreeing. I think he might have been trying to say nothing specific, and entirely failed.

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at July 21, 2008 6:15 PM

I believe Mr Barr is trying to be pragmatic about this - you cant reason with the global warming crowd, and if you tell them they are idiots for believeing in junk science they plug their ears and wont listen to another thing you say - However to achieve energy independence we need these people to work with us, and I believe this is what Mr. Barr was trying to accomplish. This statement of his - "I am, however, also aware that scientists differ on its causes, impact and remedies. I remain
firmly committed to free market solutions and innovations to address this issue; not tax-driven policies." he said this when he was at the Al Gore event - Someone on the global warming hysteria bandwagon would not speak such hypocracy - which is why I feel confident in continuing to support Mr. Barr....and when it comes down to it - I really want someone at the debates in september taking McCain and Obama to task. I say we give liberty a voice.

Posted by: Zak Carter at July 22, 2008 12:52 PM

Well,

Barr just lost my vote. Christ Almighty, whats next? These assholes are everywhere.

Posted by: Brooklyn Red Leg at July 22, 2008 2:29 PM

It would be helpful if folks actually understood wind technology. Distributed wind can be used for base load at 20% of generator nameplate rating. Considering that wind is good for (on average) 33% of nameplate rating, that is not bad.

Wind cost at the best sites is on par with coal or nuclear. At the worst sites it is 2X that. $4.50 a KWh is total nonsense unless you are quoting 30 year old costs.

And yes. Turbines get replaced on a 10 year cycle. Why? In 10 years you get to the point where the profit is better with the latest (larger) designs. Once we reach the limit of turbine size (we think it is around 12 MW) it will make sense to construct turbines that can last 20 to 40 years. Right now it makes no sense considering the speed of evolution.

That said. Building nukes until the wind infrastructure (long distance DC HV lines) is more advanced makes sense.

Solar? Strictly a peaking source in the summer when running air conditioners can be offset by solar power. Not a bad idea. If the price is right.

Posted by: M. Simon at July 25, 2008 11:45 PM

AGW is the biggest pseudo scientific fraud ever perpetrated. The "science" is rubbish.

Can any one here tell me what the latest IPCC prediction for CO2 enhancement of global temps is by 2100? About 1 deg C or less. So where do the hysterical numbers come from? Water vapor enhancement. Yet the IPCC say they do not know the sign (it could be negative rather than positive) nor do they know the magnitude. The numbers are a fairytale.

http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2008/07/keeping-it-positive.html

Can any one tell me how many solar scientists are on the IPCC? Clue: It is less than one. Quite a few solar guys say that because of what is happening on the sun we are headed for a little ice age.

http://spaceweather.com/

We could very well be preparing for the wrong catastrophe. In fact it is highly likely.

Posted by: M. Simon at July 25, 2008 11:55 PM

Who let that anal orifice out of his cage?!! David Nolan should be be very proud of himself.

Posted by: Brian at July 27, 2008 8:23 AM

Is anyone familiar with the Great Valley of Yosemite? This enormous canyon, some 2,ooo feet deep, was created by the flow of ICE! Yep. It was a glacier that gouged out the granite rock of a vast batholith that rose to the planet's surface during the early stages of the movement of the Pacific Plate -- many millions of years ago. What happened to all that ice a curious person might ask?

Well, dear reader -- frankly, and bluntly: IT MELTED DUE TO GLOBAL WARMING ! The "warming" that began many years ago and continues to this day even though it has been interrupted by a few "ice ages", is all the result of SOLAR ACTIVITY -- flareups of molicular energy.

High Priest Al Gore and his congregation of sychophants are to intelligence (and truth) as is Jeremiah Wright is to colorblindness (and hate / social harmony). Both use fear and emotionalism to advance their lust for POWER and PROFIT!

By definition: Planets (in contrast with stars --- like our sun), are solar masses that haave lost the capacity TO GENERATE HEAT! They, planets, ARE COOLING! The interior of our planet is molten magma. The part that is exposed on the surface radiates heat and in doing so IT COOLS AND HARDENS INTO ROCK! It has been goiing on this way folks for a billion years!

When the sun stops having flare-ups, we (-- whoever is left after the social upheavals that have commenced in the last 30-40 years come to a close), -- will be faced with the problems associated with avoiding freezing to death.

Posted by: John at July 27, 2008 3:00 PM

bobbarr2008.com

That's where you can get the plain position paper from Bob Barr.

I'm still voting for Barr. He demonstrates his unwillingness to say something stupid and become the whipping boy for the New World Order media.

Jesus said be "wise as serpents"... and Barr shows wisdom in his words.

Posted by: Greg at July 27, 2008 7:26 PM