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June 26, 2008

Founding Father of Canada's Socialized Medicine Rejects the Monster He Helped Create

If we follow Canada over the edge and into the abyss of socialized medicine, it won't be because we weren't warned of the consequences:

Back in the 1960s, [Claude] Castonguay chaired a Canadian government committee studying health reform and recommended that his home province of Quebec — then the largest and most affluent in the country — adopt government-administered health care, covering all citizens through tax levies.
The government followed his advice, leading to his modern-day moniker: "the father of Quebec medicare." Even this title seems modest; Castonguay's work triggered a domino effect across the country, until eventually his ideas were implemented from coast to coast.
Four decades later, as the chairman of a government committee reviewing Quebec health care this year, Castonguay concluded that the system is in "crisis."
"We thought we could resolve the system's problems by rationing services or injecting massive amounts of new money into it," says Castonguay. But now he prescribes a radical overhaul: "We are proposing to give a greater role to the private sector so that people can exercise freedom of choice."

Castonguay has been forced to reverse his views because authoritarianism has made such a mess of healthcare in Canada, people enter lotteries to win a doctor's appointment. Fortunately Canadians are still able to cross the border to a free country, where all you have to do to get medical attention is be willing to pay for it. But if Democrats have their way, that won't be the case for much longer.

Freedom works. Socialism doesn't work. Yet socialism means more power for the authorities, so we will have to keep fighting it off, no matter how many times it has been exposed as fundamentally dysfunctional.

On a tip from Oiao.

Posted by Van Helsing at June 26, 2008 10:01 AM


i want to drop a duce on his grave when he finally caks

Posted by: furballz at June 26, 2008 10:11 AM

Claude Castonguay should kindly be shown the error of his ways, and then disemboweled.

Posted by: Corona at June 26, 2008 10:31 AM

If I was at his house I would do an upper decker in his toilet.

Posted by: Anonymous at June 26, 2008 10:49 AM

As a Canadian I'd like to throw in my two cents. I've never had a problem getting medical care here in Ontario and I've used the system quite a few times. It's a good system. It would be a great system if you could find a way to keep the politicians and bureaucrats away from it.

Posted by: Rick A at June 26, 2008 11:02 AM

Rick A, you mean by privatizing it?


Posted by: furballz at June 26, 2008 11:13 AM

Wouldn't it be ironic if Canada reverted back to a private health care system and we instituted socialized medicine.

The people in the U.S. will then be traveling to Canada for their private health care.

Once again we will see The Law Of Unintended Consequences at work.


Posted by: pocomoco at June 26, 2008 11:23 AM

I don't see how anyone whose ever had to deal with the DMV can say to himself, "You know, these people should run health care, too."

Posted by: V the K at June 26, 2008 12:26 PM

Posted by: V the K at June 26, 2008 12:56 PM

a private clinic has opened closeby to where i work in montreal and last week the union representing medical workers (who coulda seen that one coming?) organised a large demonstration in protest. ostensibly it was about two levels of service and protecting the proletariat from the inequalities of personal wealth - i.e. rich and poor should wait miserably together for the same interminable amount of time and suffer the same lamentable level of service.

on the evening news (because quebec has the highest per capita rate of unionised workers in north america - holy cardiac arrest!)one of the doctors from the clinic quipped in a follow-up interview that he was grateful to the unions for bringing the horrible situation to the attention to the public and that television advertising of that magnitude would have cost a fortune ....

imho the socialists can go to hell in their own bloody handbasket - oh wait a second - they're already doing that.

Posted by: johnnyonline at June 26, 2008 6:10 PM

Quebec and Ontario are the wealthiest provinces because the federal government in Ottawa redistributes the wealth fron Alberta abd BC.

In 1971, the trhee wealthiest countries on earth were the US, Switzerland and Canada. Trudeau the Marxist traitor destroyed that(but, hey, his beloved Quebecquois is live well).

Posted by: Anonymous at June 26, 2008 6:57 PM

Please, before you write an article on Canadian Health Care, who started it, how it works, get you facts correct.

After being on dialysis for 10 years because of kidney failure I would be dead and broke, literally if living in the States,

A) because I would not have been eligible for health insurance because of kidney decease.
2)I could not have afforded dialysis

Everyone should have medical care, it should be a human right, not just because you can afford to get a great medical insurance plan.

Now for the facts:

Tommy" Douglas, PC, CC, SOM (October 20, 1904 – February 24, 1986) was a Scottish-born Baptist minister who became a prominent Canadian social democratic politician. As leader of the Saskatchewan Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (CCF) from 1942 and the seventh Premier of Saskatchewan from 1944 to 1961, he led the first socialist government in North America and introduced universal public healthcare to Canada.

During the 1960s, the Jean Lesage government mandated Castonguay to write a report about the state of health care which before the Quiet Revolution was still under jurisdiction of the Clergy. Castonguay then wrote the Castonguay-Nepveu (in collaboration with Gerard Nepveu) Commission on health care and social services. In his large report he recommended a new health insurance policy, a new health care network, as well as a new network of social service clinics now known as the CLSC. The plan was to give a broader access to health and psychology care for the Quebec population. Major changes were made following the recommendation most notably the hospitalisation and medication insurance.

In 2007, the minority Liberal government of Quebec appointed Castonguay to a closed-door committee examining the health-care system's finances. Castonguay is a long-serving advocate of greater privatization, user fees and private insurance

Posted by: CanadianWatcher at June 26, 2008 11:10 PM

I smell something strange... Like someone who surfs for the sole purpose of planting stupid Canadian propaganda.

Your propaganda fails, dipshit.

How do you know you would be "dead" if living in "the States"? What a stupid statement. That alone tells us you're a liberal troll.

No you woudn't "die". Liar. We take care of everyone - including you and illegal mexicans. We take care of EVERYONE jerk. Even you.


"CanadianWatcher" - (I guess you are, aren't you) Your post ran in the same circle as Castonguay.

You espouse socialism and capitalism in the same breath. Which is it? You sound like Yomama talking about guns.

I can tell a similar story - When my appendix burst I couldn't wait for "lottery care" - so I'm alive today becaue of capitalistic medicine.

Stay in Canada, idiot. Next time you get sick - stay home.

Posted by: Jimbo at June 27, 2008 12:04 AM

The govt does not run health care in Canada-it pays the bills but allows Drs a great degree of control over thir practices.

Doctors still make lots of $$ in Canada. They still drive BMWs etc.

No quibbling over the ph w/claims adjustors (hidden in office parks behind 800 numbers)over whether a test will be paid for.

Doctors have less paperwork in Canada than the U.S. because of this. Fewer out of pocket costs means less strain on family budgets-lower rates of bankruptcies).

No worrying about health coverage if you lose your job, no screening for pre existing conditions, employers don't have to deal with the cost of health care.

Right wingers bitch about taxes distorting economic decisions. How about people taking a job they don't like mainly for the health benefits rather than it s what they are qualified/want to do?

There is little "choice" here; you get the plan your boss offers, take it or leave it. If you go it alone with insurance you have to deal with pre-existing conditions & pay $300+ per month. Even with insurance there are still out of pocket costs.

I mean do you want insurance companies (who have a mandate to deny claims whenever possible) in control of medical care? That's what we have here.

Jimbo: I await your well-thought out arguments in favor of the status-quo always focusing on argument as opposed to ad hominem attacks.

Sorry I needed a laugh..

Posted by: Mike at June 27, 2008 1:31 PM

What foreigners don't know about US medical care would fill shelves of books.

US citizens who need dialysis because they have end stage renal disease are enrolled in a government program to pay for it. In the US, ESRD means automatic enrollment in Medicare regardless of age. Medicare is the taxpayer supported program that pays for almost everyone's health care once they reach 65 years of age. So, if you needed dialysis in the US you would 1) get it courtesy of the taxpayers, 2) pay a lower overall tax rate because the US has a large private medical sector so that even its government controlled system runs more efficiently than the politically controlled medical care in Canada, 3) not have to wait for direct access ports to be installed because the US does not have Canadian style waiting lists, 4) would be more likely to get a kidney transplant regardless of age, 5) would have access to new drugs that improve care, and 6) would get treatment in hospitals that are much less likely to afflict you with an adverse iatrogenic illness or error, at least according to the Canadian docs who analyze such things at the CMAJ.

Posted by: LG at June 27, 2008 2:12 PM

I am a duel citizen and am grateful everyday that I have purchased yes...that is the word PURCHASED health insurance here in the US. It costs less than we paid in taxes when we lived in Canada and guess what...we actually get treated. Quickly, efficiently, compentently,and with great skill. You only get what you pay for. Except in Canada where we pay and pay and pay through one tax after another and still, the government decides just how much health care we can have. It is the absolute minimum. And having experienced both the Canadian system and the American I am hoping that the US finds a way to get everyone insured but keeps the delivery system intact. Nationalized health care is a disaster. Of course, since most Canadians don't get sick beyond the doctor visits, they think it is great. Just wait until you really need it. It won't be there.

Posted by: Kate at June 27, 2008 3:02 PM

Mike "who needed a laugh" -

the thing that really tweaked my senses about CanadianWatcher's ill informed and sadistic post was the "...I would be dead and broke, literally if living in the States,"

That is absolute utter nonsense - and if you believe it you're as stupid as he (or she or it).

Please give me a list of people who are "dead or broke", (or both) as a result of an illness in the United Sates.

Laugh out loud while you're compiling your list.

And here's my obigatory "ad hominem attack" - you're a dipshit, too.

Posted by: Jimbo at June 27, 2008 8:41 PM

Much like a diamond buried in a pile of manure, there is a point in Mike's propaganda lecture about the glories of state-controlled health care: more choice is better than less choice.

To reform health care, give people more choices. End the state mandates and let people buy insurance plans that suit their needs.

Adopt a new retail model for basic health care. Instead of going to a doctor's office for a minor illness, you go to a corporate-run Retail Medical Clinic (like a Lenscrafters, or a CVS/Pharmacy) where trained personnel evaluate your condition, access your medical records on-line, prescribe a treatment and fill your precription in the shop. (Or, refer you for additional care if necessary.) You pay a standard, out-of-pocket charge for the service, or you purchase an insurance contract to cover it.

Insurance would be available for more serious medical needs. For example, major surgery. After all, when you buy car insurance, it covers accidents, not oil changes.

Limit malpractice damage awards that drive up medical costs.

There may even be a system that allows the government to subsidize catastrophic health care insurance for those who can not afford it. But that would be far less expensive and far less an intrusion on personal liberty than the cradle-to-grave welfare state enamored by mike and his ilk.

Posted by: V the K at June 28, 2008 10:27 AM

Posted by: V the K at June 28, 2008 10:43 AM