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April 1, 2008

Islamic Morality: As Simple As It Is Psychotic

Maybe the affection moonbats feel toward Muslims comes from a longing for moral clarity. There's quite a contrast between the liberal swamp of nuance and parsing and sanctimonious moral relativism on one hand, and the Islamic code on the other. For Muslims, morality is quite simple: they are good, and everyone else is bad:

A question-and-answer session with Imam Abdul Makin in an East London mosque asks why Allah would tell Muslims to kill and rape innocent non-Muslims, including their wives and daughters, according to Islam Watch.
"Because non-Muslims are never innocent, they are guilty of denying Allah and his prophet," the Imam says, according to the report. "If you don't believe me, here is the legal authority, the top Muslim lawyer of Britain."
The lawyer, Anjem Choudary, backs up the Imam's position, saying that all Muslims are innocent.
"You are innocent if you are a Muslim," Choudary tells the BBC. "Then you are innocent in the eyes of God. If you are not a Muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
Choudary said he would not condemn a Muslim for any action.
"As a Muslim, I must support my Muslim brothers and sisters," Choudary said. "I must have hatred to everything that is not Muslim."

The chilling interview with Abdul Makin, who endorses murder and rape, can be found on Islam Watch. Here's video of Choudary sharing his enlightenment:

Any moonbat who tries to play the "Yeah but Christians are just as bad" card renounces any claim to be taken seriously.

On a tip from Panday.

Posted by Van Helsing at April 1, 2008 9:19 PM

Comments

Hey - make sure you shout out to all the MoonBat Leftist MSM people being fired over at CBS.

Karma is a bitch! Guess they are starting to realize that thier bull does not buy shit in advertising.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/02/business/media/02cbs.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

Posted by: Oiao at April 1, 2008 9:46 PM

The Ahmish are just as bad.

Posted by: Smoke TNT at April 1, 2008 9:50 PM

"You are innocent if you are a Muslim," Choudary tells the BBC.

What he means is; innocent if you are a Muslim man.

What a total dipshit. Just like his Western dipwad butt-brothers. (You know who you are.)

Posted by: Jimbo at April 1, 2008 9:56 PM

Smoke - you are an extremely ignorant dipshit.

Posted by: Jimbo at April 1, 2008 9:57 PM

"Choudary said he would not condemn a Muslim for any action. 'As a Muslim, I must support my Muslim brothers and sisters,' Choudary said. 'I must have hatred to everything that is not Muslim.'"

Choudary is a maggot, and he doesn't try to hide it.

Why isn't he in jail? How about his pal Trevor Brooks? Is he still in the slammer?

Posted by: forest at April 1, 2008 9:59 PM

I'm waiting for the moonbats to pour in and say, "Well what about Tim McVeigh and the Westboro Baptist Church!" These moonbats don't even realize that McVeigh was an agnostic and the Westboro "Baptist" Church is a bizarre unChristian cult that is not recognized by a single Christian organization. Contrast that to the millions of Muslims who dance in the streets when a terror attack occurs in Israel or the USA.

Posted by: Kristy at April 1, 2008 10:28 PM

These are adults, who believe what they say and say what they mean. They do not require apologists to interpret their intended meaning.

Posted by: DANEgerus at April 1, 2008 10:29 PM

I was being sarcastic. A braindead toddler could figure that out. Dipshit.

Posted by: Smoke TNT at April 1, 2008 11:36 PM

Replace Muslim with Nazism, Fascism or Communism and you cna see how clearly Islamofascism is the current enemy of the free world.

And of course, they cannot comprehend that they may be wrong - not wrong about the legitimacy of 'all nonMuslims are evil', but that Islam itself could be untrue.

He will always stand with his Muslim brother - that explains the hypcrisy of Shias and Sunnis stopping their blood feud for a while to p*ss on Israel and the West, and not a peep about Tibet or Sudan or everywhere else.

I woudn't be so p*ssed off myself if they'd just admit it like this guy.

Posted by: BUUUUURRRRNING HOT at April 2, 2008 12:36 AM

The "lawyer" Anjem Choudary, what a thoroughly nice chap he is...NOT!

This is the same homicidal maniac that called for the Pope to be murdered:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23367406-
details/The+unholy+past+of+the+Muslim+cleric+demanding+
the+Pope's+execution/article.do


And described the September 11 hijackers as "magnificent martyrs". All this while he's claiming £25,000 a year in welfare benefits.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/2303_hate_preacher.shtml

Looks like he may have over stepped the mark with the Authorities this time.

Posted by: essemess at April 2, 2008 12:46 AM

I take credit for popularizing the term "dipshit".

:-)

Posted by: Jimbo at April 2, 2008 12:49 AM

"For Muslims, morality is quite simple: they are good, and everyone else is bad"

isn't this precisely the same as your fundamentalist "wingnut" morality. i mean that's what is implied here over and over again every single day. Disagree with us and you are a "dipshit", who dosen't deserve to live.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 2, 2008 12:55 AM

Anony-mouse, what the fuck are you talking about? These Muslims are saying its okay to rape and murder innocent people because an old book written by a long dead psychopath says so. Any comparison you are trying to make to this site is retarded, at best.

Posted by: Smoke TNT at April 2, 2008 1:25 AM

umm and your president said that he talks to "God" and he told him to invade Iraq. Same difference.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 2, 2008 1:56 AM

My president? Either you are not from the U.S. or you are assuming I like Bush. Also, not that your point is relative in any way, but for arguments sake, point out exactly where Bush said God told him to send troops to Iraq.

Posted by: Smoke TNT at April 2, 2008 3:17 AM

Oh didn't you hear? Some arab bloke at one of the never-ending "peace" conferences heard someone say Bush say he prayed about things, and then the BBC reported it as "crazy lunatic US President hears voices in his head."

True story.

Posted by: Archonix at April 2, 2008 3:57 AM

In other moonbattery news, Japan to penalise companies for hiring plump people.

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at April 2, 2008 4:17 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml

There you go. There are plenty of other references to find out there where Bush claims he and God have a private little dialogue wherein God approves of his killing and war waging.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 2, 2008 4:47 AM

Bush never said God told him to invade Iraq, thats a moonbat myth. The story originated in October 2005 from the Palestian media. THEY said Bush said this to the Palestianian President: ""I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."

Thats total BS, does anyone think Bush would say such a thing to the Palestinian President. The wording of it is even absurd. Of course Moonbats believe the most bizarre things like Bush blew up the World Trade Center towers, so no one guess I shouldnt be suprised.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 2, 2008 4:53 AM

If America is so evil why arent we tearing down the mosques and building churches instead of rebuilding mosques damaged by Islamic terrorist suicide bombers?

Posted by: Anonymous at April 2, 2008 4:55 AM

He told Bob Woodward - whose 2004 book, Plan of Attack, is the definitive account of the administration's road to war in Iraq - that after giving the order to invade in March 2003, he walked in the White House garden, praying "that our troops be safe, be protected by the Almighty". As he went into this critical period, he told Mr Woodward, "I was praying for strength to do the Lord's will.

"I'm surely not going to justify war based upon God. Understand that. Nevertheless, in my case, I pray that I will be as good a messenger of His will as possible. And then of course, I pray for forgiveness."

Another telling sign of Mr Bush's religion was his answer to Mr Woodward's question on whether he had asked his father - the former president who refused to launch a full-scale invasion of Iraq after driving Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991 - for advice on what to do.

The current President replied that his earthly father was "the wrong father to appeal to for advice ... there is a higher father that I appeal to".

http://www.countercurrents.org/us-cornwell081005.htm

Posted by: Anonymous at April 2, 2008 4:56 AM

...also in the news, the Arts Council are now demanding to know the sexual orientations of people applying for grants.

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at April 2, 2008 5:08 AM

Anonymous-

You're making something out of nothing, and I speak as a proud atheist. Christians and people of all religions have, since time immemorial, discussed God as part of their thought process and discuss trying to do God's work, i.e. what's right by their religious beliefs.

Unless you're going to make high political office barred to all religious people, i.e. most of the population, you're going to have to live with the fact that there are people in all walks of life who make decisions that affect you praying for guidance.

Picking on Bush for it just because you don't like him is daft. For counter examples Tony Blair (self described "intervenionist liberal") is a devout Christian. Gordon Brown (current UK prime minister, self described "progressive") has waxed lyrical about how his religious values guide him. And so on.

Every christian believes that they have a relationship ("private little dialogue") with God. It's the foundation of the faith. You want to bar every religious person from office, fine. Don't expect to end up with much of a democracy at the end of it, though.

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at April 2, 2008 5:15 AM

Ted Turners says, Terrorists are patriots and Global Warming causes cannibalism.

I don't think Uncle Ted prays to God, I think he just talks to himself.

Posted by: V the K at April 2, 2008 5:29 AM

So then what's your beef with Muslims having a "personal relationship" and "dialogue" with their God?

According to Christians I am a sinner doomed to eternal hell because I don't believe in their God. I am wrong and they are right. A believing Christian can do no wrong. he will always be accepted into God's heaven. A good person who does not believe is still a sinner to a Christian. What's the difference?

Bush saying that he is doing "the Lord's will" by killing people is a pretty presumptious statement. A much bigger deal then you make out of it, and no different then what an islamofascist suicide bomber thinks.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 2, 2008 5:31 AM

Well I think the main difference here is that Bush isn't telling his followers that they're absolved of all crimes against non-christians and is instead, like the rest of the western world, bending over backwards to be ecumenical.

I have no objection to muslims having a dialogue with their God (not that there is such a dialogue in Islam, it's a different principle based on submission, but that's quite subtle so we'll get past that). Nobody objects to muslims practicing their faith. We object to muslims dividing the world into volkisch and untermenschen and acting accordingly.

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at April 2, 2008 6:14 AM

So then what's your beef with Muslims having a "personal relationship" and "dialogue" with their God?
Based on what I have read in the Koran I would say a lot is wrong with it. I would be happy give examples of verses and not even taken out of context!

According to Christians I am a sinner doomed to eternal hell because I don't believe in their God. I am wrong and they are right.
Given the fact that you don't believe in our God this hurts you how?
A believing Christian can do no wrong.
Wrong answer. Christians realize they need God because they are not capable of being justified in God's eyes without believing his Son died on the cross for their sins.
he will always be accepted into God's heaven. A good person who does not believe is still a sinner to a Christian. What's the difference?
The only difference is the Christian realizes his need for salvation. That's it.

Bush saying that he is doing "the Lord's will" by killing people is a pretty presumptious statement.
He never said he was doing the Lords will by killing people. What is wrong you Muslims that you have to twist everything to serve your purposes? Ever thought of telling simple facts and truths?

A much bigger deal then you make out of it, and no different then what an islamofascist suicide bomber thinks.

Big difference, HUGE difference. Why? Because we aren't brainwashing our people and young people aboiut how bad Isreal is and death to America and about how everything that isn't Islam must be destroyed. You are a death cult and I'm almost sorry to say this but you act like barbaric animals. Get out of the 10th century.

Posted by: Will at April 2, 2008 7:07 AM

hey will, I'm not a muslim....

Posted by: Anonymous at April 2, 2008 7:39 AM

It should be apparent by now that after millennias, in Islam - life is cheap.

In the movie Lawrence Of Arabia, a statement is made that the sands of the desert run red with blood.

So true, so true, even today.

Posted by: pocomoco at April 2, 2008 7:39 AM

Hey Anonymous excellent job parroting one...

Posted by: Will at April 2, 2008 7:48 AM

Its noteworthy that relativists all seem to prefer to lecture from the safe haven of a Western mentality country, proving that, for all their dissembling, they do in fact see some difference between philosophies, or at least the way they play out in everyday living.

Posted by: avalon at April 2, 2008 9:06 AM

Unfortunately Choudary and his ilk are on solid ground because they have the backing of the koran and Sunnah. The few islamic reformers that are out there can't make good arguments against these guys because they simply don't have the goods to back them up.

It's funny when western Dhimmis go banging on about how things are being "taken out of context" to make Islam look bad etc. Really? Go prove Choudary and all the other literalist knuckle-draggers are wrong. Take him on in a debate and show the world that Islam is actually a religion of peace. Explain how the supposedly fully revealed and unaltered word of allah can be interpreted to fit more nicely into modern society.

Naturally, this will never happen because Islam is rotten right down to the mass-murdering child-raping gangster who invented it, and it is not open to liberal interpretation.

Posted by: forest at April 2, 2008 9:39 AM

Forest, I could not have put it any better myself.

Posted by: Will at April 2, 2008 9:43 AM

Choudary doesn't speak for all Muslims, just as George Bush, thankfully, doesn't speak for all Americans.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 2, 2008 10:32 AM

"Choudary doesn't speak for all Muslims, just as George Bush, thankfully, doesn't speak for all Americans."

Two problems with this statement.
1. Choudary is fully backed up by the koran.
2. This same koran is read and studied by muslims all over the world.

If he doesn't speak for all Muslims, then why aren't we seeing more muslims come out against this kind of hatefull retoric? All I hear is...crickets.

Furthermore George Bush was elected by the American people, therefore he represents our interests to the world sooo he does in fact speak for all Americas wether they like it or not.

And please spare us with the old "he stole the election" gag, it's old and 100% incorrect.


Posted by: Will at April 2, 2008 10:41 AM

Seeing Islamo-fascists express their intolerant, genocidal views on video is still not enough for the psychotic moonbats to admit that it's real. Mentally deranged moonbats: knock it off already with your "these crazies are not representative of their religion" crap. Their words are based on Koranic passages you dimwits! One Billion Muslims worldwide. If 1% of them are hardcore Islamo-fascists (likely more than 1% but we'll be conservative here) that means 10,000,000 HARDCORE ISLAMO-FASCISTS WHO HAVE VIEWS IDENTICAL TO THE PIG-FACED COCKROACH IN THE VIDEO. Not a threat? You're 100% wrong and your insanity poses a grave danger to humankind.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at April 2, 2008 11:12 AM

I wish those darn Ahmish would quit driving their fertilizer horse drawn buggies into abortion clinics.

Oh wait, I mean MUSLIMS flying PLANES into buildings and strapping bombs onto the backs of children in hopes of killing ANYONE who disagrees with them or insults ALLAH!

Posted by: UCA at April 2, 2008 12:47 PM

Anonymous
You have gone on and on about how EEEEVIL Christians are, but you have not said ONE WORD of protest about muslims who tell their followers that it's OK to rape, plunder and murder inocents. That MUST mean that you AGREE with them!

Don't try to tell us that you don't agree with the murdering scum, I want to READ a post from you condemning them!

Posted by: KHarn at April 2, 2008 4:57 PM

Once again, our anonymous troll(s) spout off about good and evil, when they don't even believe in moral absolutism. Fellow posters, you'll have better luck arguing with a rock...

Posted by: PabloD at April 2, 2008 6:43 PM

"Maybe the affection moonbats feel toward Muslims comes from a longing for moral clarity. "

What asinine, self righteous nonsense. My moral clarity doesn't come from a fear of going to hell, it's genuine.

"That MUST mean that you AGREE with them!

Don't try to tell us that you don't agree with the murdering scum, I want to READ a post from you condemning them!"

This is really funny to read. I remember the same level of rhetoric from when i was in grade school.

It's pretty simple. For the majority of people in the western world, terrorist actions must be prevented or punished with force.

Nobody should feel any need to verbalize that they think this way.

Your type have no problem expressing a desire to annihilate people based on their religion, from the comfort of behind your keyboard, of course.

"Their words are based on Koranic passages you dimwits!"

Oh NOES!!!

Do you take the bible that literally?

"10,000,000 HARDCORE ISLAMO-FASCISTS WHO HAVE VIEWS IDENTICAL TO THE PIG-FACED COCKROACH IN THE VIDEO. Not a threat? You're 100% wrong and your insanity poses a grave danger to humankind."

Go hide under your bed, you hateful tool.

Posted by: angryflower at April 2, 2008 6:55 PM

""Their words are based on Koranic passages you dimwits!"

Oh NOES!!!

Do you take the bible that literally?"

angryflower, probably the significant difference here is that a few hundred years back Christianity went through this reformation thing in which everyone agreed the Bible wasn't going to be taken literally, and even if it was, they wouldn't act upon that outside the law of Man. A lot of people on both sides of the argument suffered a lot to get us all that far.

Islam has never been through a comparable period. It went from nothing to a mighty empire, to a dwindling empire, to getting sand kicked in its face, to sitting in the corner brooding and waiting for the moment to build the mighty empire again, without any significant standoff between church and state to settle it into a more modern place in society. It's still in the Dark Ages. It's still the religion of a mediaeval L. Ron Hubbard. It's literally retarded.

You're being blind if you try to judge it in western post-enlightenment terms. It never had an enlightenment.

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at April 2, 2008 7:27 PM

A word about "Biblical literalism." "Literalism" means that you treat the history as history, the parable as parable, the poetic as poetic, etc. If I took Jesus' metaphorical command to Peter to "Feed my sheep" in concrete terms, I would not feel compelled to give money to the poor because they're not sheep.
So, yes, I take the Bible literally.
Moonbats: you can't have it both ways. You can't say that it's all parable and metaphor and simultaneously get all hissy and insist that "love thy neighbor" is the one passage that should be interpreted as a concrete absolute.

Posted by: PabloD at April 2, 2008 7:40 PM

Oh, and here's a pre-emptive strike: since I don't live under the Old Testament covenant between God and the people of Israel, I'm perfectly happy eating bacon on Saturday morning while wearing mixed-fiber clothing. As for whether Jews should take the OT covenant literally, I leave that to them to work out with their rabbi. Not my issue...

Posted by: PabloD at April 2, 2008 7:44 PM

I see the trolls who worship themselves are out tonight. We can see the wonders that the Godless have produced everywhere. How many tens of millions have the trolls killed in the name of secularism? Yes they do inspire hundreds of millions to take any rtisk to ecape the hells that such moonbats impose on them. The Islamists are no different than the queers and the enlightened who tell us they have seen the truth, which is self gratification.

Islam has been a cancer on humanity for centuries. The secularists are a recent plague.

Posted by: Thomas Jackson at April 3, 2008 12:00 AM

No my friend, religion has been the cancer destroying humanity for centuries.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 3, 2008 1:08 AM

"Don't try to tell us that you don't agree with the murdering scum, I want to READ a post from you condemning them!"

see Kharn what you and the rest of the wing nut world just can't seem to wrap your little brains around is the fact that just because I don't agree with you, it does not mean I agree with them.

HArd as it is for you to believe KHarn there are more then two opinions to be had on any given issue. Everything is not as simple black and white, for or against, as you would like to believe. I realize this makes it easier for small minds, but it dosn't make it reality.

Pablo,

it's funny that you seem to deem yourself capable of deciding what part of the Bible is "history" "parable" or "poetry". Given the fact that biblical scholars have never been able to agree on which part is which, it's intersting that you've got it all figured out. Honestly, the Bible, including the new testament is the biggest jumble of poorly written, nonsense, filled with contradictions and, let's face it, gibberish, i',m amazed anyone walks away afterhaving read it feeling they've gotten anything at all from it.

But since you claim to take it literally, i'll assume you believe in immaculate conception and ressurection, along with all the other "magic" tricks therein. Given the fact that this belief is scientifically disproven, i'd say your credibility on many issues is questionable. You are far to quick to suspend rationality merely because someone has told you to do so. How can your judgement be trusted?


Why dosen't anyone here seem to think that "love thine enemy" is meant to be taken literally? Intersting that you get to pick and choose which parts of the bible you'll take literally based on the those things you can agree with. Not sure you are really a christian after all.

At least the Islamofascists really believe in what their book tells them. You just pay your God lip service.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 3, 2008 3:13 AM

Still no repudiation of Islamic violence from the psychotic moonbats. Only childish generalities, moral equivalence and retarded platitudes. Our point has been made in spades.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at April 3, 2008 4:32 AM

One more thing: angryflower, your response to my presentation of fact was pathetic and embarrassing. You didn't even attempt to refute a single word of my post. Instead, you label me a hateful tool. You really have no business taking part in an intellectual discussion. Stick to the Hannah Montana fan club forums child. But don't be surprised when the 13 year olds there totally discredit your postings, you lightweight.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at April 3, 2008 4:40 AM

What asinine, self righteous nonsense. My moral clarity doesn't come from a fear of going to hell, it comes from a bong.

This is really funny to read. I remember the same level of rhetoric from when i was in grade school, which was last week.

It's pretty simple. For the majority of people in the western world, terrorist actions must be prevented or punished with force. We, on the left, of course, define a forceful response to terrorism as morally equivalent to terrorism... which is why we hate Israel and the American military more than al Qaeda.

Nobody should feel any need to verbalize that they think this way. We're happy to let the actions of Code Pink and MoveOn speak for all of us.

Your type have no problem expressing a desire to annihilate people based on their religion, from the comfort of behind your keyboard, of course. Because, unlike us on the left, you actually know how to spell words and make sentences and stuff.

Go hide under your bed, you hateful tool. We lefties are always full of advice on how to deal with terrorism.

Posted by: Demented Pansy at April 3, 2008 5:21 AM

The Koran is believed to be the actual word of allah transmitted to one man by the angel Gabriel over a relatively short period of time. It is not meant to be treated as parable and it is not open to liberal or modern interpretation.

In contrast, the Bible is a collection of writings from many different people over a long period of time. The content is believed to be divinely inspired, but it is open to interpretation because of the human element involved. Muslim scholars often criticize Christianity as being based on writings that are not the pure, literal word of God, but this feature has its benefits.

The benefit is that Christianity can square itself with modern times while Islam cannot. And I'm just addressing the issue of literalism here - the content of the Koran, and especially the exaple of Muhammad's life are also huge problems for Islam - especiall when taken in conjunction with the required literal reading.

Libs should just stop equating the two. They are making fools of themselves and revealing their ignorance by doing so.

Posted by: forest at April 3, 2008 5:32 AM

Someone said in an earlier post that everyone agreed 300 years ago that the Bible is not to be taken literally. Ummm can anyone state the exact time, place and who decided this? I DO take the Bible literally. Yes the Bible has violent parts. It deals with man and his sin. It is certainly not Gods fault. That is mans fault.

I'm trying to find in the Bible where God tells Christians to go after nonchristians and kill them or rape them or tax them and hold them as slaves until they submit. Oddly enough I must have missed those parts.

I have been laughed at for taking the Bible literally but have yet to see any of it concretely disproven.

Someone said earlier that the new testament is a garbled mess. I'm sorry but I would be willing to bet that you had decided it was before you even looked at it. You want a garbled mess? Read the Koran. If ever there was a garbled mess there it is.

One more thing to address, I am a Christian. I am more than willing to say my anger towards Muslims is wrong in God's eyes. He loves them as much as anyone on this earth. In his eyes I am no better than they are. I should hate their deeds not them. I am not perfect by a long shot and I do have a burning anger towards them and their religion. For 9/11 and all of the other atrocities they commit in the name of allah. This is something I struggle with daily. I really get mad seeing ignorant liberals defend their actions or attempt to equate Christianity to their hateful religion. The two are polar opposites.

God does say to love our neighbor. That does NOT mean I have to sit back and keep silent. I WILL call them out at every opportunity. I am angry and even though I try to direct it at their actions I will admit I am far from perfect and I do get angry with them as people.

Posted by: Will at April 3, 2008 7:51 AM

Welcome to the internets™ Will! You'll find that sometimes servers take a while to respond, and the best thing to do is sit and wait. Clicking repeatedly doesn't actually speed the server up.

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at April 3, 2008 9:31 AM

Hey Ian I am so sorry. I have no clue how this even happened. I did keep getting server timed out errors but thought it was on my side.

me/Hangs head and slinks away in shame.

Posted by: Will at April 3, 2008 9:55 AM

It happens, Will. No biggie.

Posted by: monsterforge at April 3, 2008 12:29 PM

Will, I find when it takes a long time to post, hitting "refresh" brings up the new page with your post.

Well, Two people have answered my challenge; Angry Flower says that it's not nessisary to condemn terrorists and the foes of women, claiming that my challenge is childish.

"Anonymous at April 3, 2008 3:13 AM" seems to agree and amazingly, concludes his/her post with this:

"At least the Islamofascists really believe in what their book tells them. You just pay your God lip service."

So instead of speaking AGAINST 'Islamofascists' Anony COMPLIMENTS them!
NO COMMENT.

Posted by: KHarn at April 3, 2008 1:38 PM

"'At least the Islamofascists really believe in what their book tells them. You just pay your God lip service.'

So instead of speaking AGAINST 'Islamofascists' Anony COMPLIMENTS them!
NO COMMENT." - KHarn

That pretty much brings us full circle - right back to the first line of Van Helsing's post:

"Maybe the affection moonbats feel toward Muslims comes from a longing for moral clarity."


Posted by: forest at April 3, 2008 2:49 PM

A little more troll chow... I just can't resist...
Anonymous, the reason I can distinguish between history, poetry and parable is because I read books and am conversant with various forms of literature. Most literate people can do this with relative ease; college philosophy professors seem to get tripped up by this. For any subliterates who have trouble with this concept, there are even parts of the Bible which are identified as parable. Hint: When it says "Jesus spoke to them in PARABLES..." that means it's a PARABLE.

Posted by: PabloD at April 3, 2008 6:07 PM

"So instead of speaking AGAINST 'Islamofascists' Anony COMPLIMENTS them!
NO COMMENT."

That is if you consider being called "religious" a compliment. I don't. I mean it as an insult.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 4, 2008 1:52 AM

Will, you sad sad man,

"I'm trying to find in the Bible where God tells Christians to go after nonchristians"

The NT tells Christians it is their duty to convert the rest of us to your silly religion. This is something Christians have attempted to do by force, and/or threat of death for thousands of years.

"I have been laughed at for taking the Bible literally but have yet to see any of it concretely disproven. "

Oh you poor creature! You deserve to be laughed at. Will, it is not my job to dissprove the claims of the Bible. In order to convice me that it is true, YOU need to prove the claims. You see, Will, I could claim the earth was created and ruled over by a herd of green elephants, and you can't dissprove that either. I could claim that Lord of the Rings is a true story. Can you dissprove it? Will, I'm sorry but the fundamentals of logic and rational thinking are another thing "you missed" in growing up.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 4, 2008 2:09 AM

"I'm trying to find in the Bible where God tells Christians to go after nonchristians"

The NT tells Christians it is their duty to convert the rest of us to your silly religion. This is something Christians have attempted to do by force, and/or threat of death for thousands of years.

First of all it a christians duty to to EXPLAIN salvation NOT force conversions. If you do not want to believe in Christianity that is your right. If I told you about it and you rejected it then end of story. It is between you and God if you accept it. My role would be to simply tell you. Have there been "Christians" in the past that have tried to force their beliefs on non-christians? Yes there have been. They were not only dead wrong they were NOT following what the Bible says. Please compare this to Islam where a "good" Muslim is one who kills infidels and force conversions. They ARE following exactly what the koran says.

You are partly correct, I cannot PROVE the Bible is 100% true. Some parts we do have historical eveidence for some we don't it's up to YOU to decide if you see truth or not. If you don't then that is your right, but don't then turn around and tell me how evolution has been proven, which seems to be the thing to do these days. It is still a theory which means it has not been proven a fact. You need faith to believe in that as well and I support your right to believe it, if you do. At least you are not trying to blow people up, submit them to the jizya, force people to convert to Islam or die, etc..

You certainly could say the earth was created by green elephants and that is your right. I wouldn't believe it obviously but I would not put you down for it, especially if that belief has been around for thousands of years and beleived by millions of people. I would put you down and maybe worse if you started killing people for not believing it.

Please apply your fundamentals of logic and rational thinking to Islam and see how far you get.


Posted by: Will at April 4, 2008 6:19 AM

"Anonymous at April 4, 2008 1:52 AM"

But what about the MURDERS? How about exicution by STONING? That's pretty much TORTURE, which you Liberals CLAIM to be against.

No, you won't speak against muslim brutality under any circumstances, Christians are the FASHIONABLE target and you get the bonus in the fact that 99.99% of the time we won't do anything more objectionable than say "you're wrong".

Posted by: KHarn at April 4, 2008 2:54 PM

No my friend, religion has been the cancer destroying humanity for centuries.

I think you will find that life under the Godless dictates of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot gave whatever grief has been caused by religion a pretty good run for its money. I prefer my chances with Christians, thanks. Please feel free to catch the next flight to Russia, where you won't be bothered in the slightest by the destructive qualities of religion.

Posted by: avalon at April 4, 2008 6:32 PM

avlaon,

Russians and the russian orthodox church have been some of the most devout christians in the history of the world.

And to the rest of you, do you really think Chrsitanity spread around the world as it has due to peaceful acceptance? No, Christianity has been IMPOSED on people through FORCE for thousands of years.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 6, 2008 6:31 AM

Funny, nobody imposed Christianity on me, and I wasn't raised in it... and missionaries all around the globe aren't spreading the gospel at gunpoint, yet Africa today has millions more converts than in the days of imperialism. It seems that, much to the trolls' consternation, people are not flocking to their dismal atheistc worldview even when they have the absolute freedom to do so.
Read a history of the early church some time - Christianity was persecuted violently by Rome in its early days, and it spread like wildfire. The early martyrs didn't do it by strapping on a suicide belt; they suffered and died for their beliefs, and people responded to their message.

Posted by: PabloD at April 6, 2008 10:18 AM