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March 27, 2008

Geert Wilders' Fitna

Muslims and their moonbat dhimmi allies definitely do not want you to watch Geert Wilders' film Fitna, which actually dares to tell the politically incorrect truth about Islam. Dutch television was too cowardly to broadcast it, and Holland's Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende has been whimpering apologies on Wilders' behalf. The Dutch Islamic Federation is asking a court to impose a $79,000 fine for every day the movie is available to the public.

No doubt Wilders will end up like Theo Van Gogh if the Religion of Peace gets its hands on him. Watch the movie while you can:

Posted by Van Helsing at March 27, 2008 7:48 PM

Comments

The most sobering and disgusting thing is, I wasn't actually shocked once during the entire film.This really is just a day in the life of the new world order.
Still, thanks for posting it.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 27, 2008 8:24 PM

Muslims fanatics are sick, sick people.

And local trolls assfanatic and her fan have told us Christians are equally bad. Which makes them equally sick, sick people.

This film is both history and prophesy. But chickensh*t liberals aren't smart enough or brave enough to care.

Posted by: Jimbo at March 27, 2008 8:27 PM

This little film was incredibly powerful. I mean really, really powerful.

Like the comment above, part of the powerful reaction I had was realizing that none of it surprised me, it's just the new world order - the banality of evil in the 21st century.

What Wilders has done is extremely brave, and important - the entire educated elite, worldwide, wants us to forget what bloodthirsty monsters these people are, and there are very few left to tell the truth. May Wilders avoid the inevitable outcome, for as long as possible.

Posted by: mega at March 27, 2008 8:40 PM

I'm glad Live Leak had the balls to host the video - not that it's really controversial.

I wonder how many people are going to get killed when the ROP storms out of Friday services?

Posted by: forest at March 27, 2008 8:41 PM

I remember when Theo Van Gogh was killed, the newspapers reported that his last words to the assassins were "Can't we talk about this?"
Sorry, jihadists aren't the conversational type... they prefer actions to words, and they're not in the mood to negotiate. Sadly, Mr. Wilder may find that out in a very brutal way, very soon.

Posted by: PabloD at March 27, 2008 8:46 PM


I'm not sure that hate speech is the best way to combat hate speech.

Posted by: Mike Huckabee at March 27, 2008 9:03 PM

The truth isn't 'hate speech'.

Posted by: Kristy at March 27, 2008 9:07 PM

A few posts from moonbats at LiveLeak.com concerning the video:

The dutch have nothing to worry about just as the
americans don't. The Muslims know who did 9/11
and know that the western christians have fell
victim to thier own extremism.
Posted 8 hours ago by "r3a1ist"
***************************************
ugh! what a waist of time. No different than the
Christian holy war against all Muslims. We
(America) are torturing thousands, responsible for
a million deaths and 4 million starving in refugee
camps.

Muslim, Christian, Jew.... No difference at all.
The true AXIS OF EVIL!!!

Posted 7 hours ago by "AndyBIue"
***************************************
There is nothing honest and truthful here. All we
have is a broad, sweeping generalisation that ALL
moslems want us dead.
Thus, Wilders is attempting to portray something
which is not true.

Posted 4 hours ago by "tag125"
*****************************************
he used a video of christians soldier killing a
woman in afghanistan as a muslim soldier . muslims
never killed a woman or kid or old man.
Posted 4 hours ago by "mha22"

Moonbattery lives.

Posted by: Jimbo at March 27, 2008 9:10 PM

I wish you folks would not condemn an entire religion. For the record there are like a billion muslims or more.

And I add I know a Jewish Iranian that talk this type stuff in the 80's and it was not addressed then. The muslims are out of control, but to flush a fifth of the world down the gas chameber sounds like WW2.

Posted by: Mr. Parker at March 27, 2008 10:13 PM

Parker,

Do you know anything about the tenets of Islam?

Posted by: forest at March 27, 2008 10:24 PM

More importantly, did the critics even watch the film?

Wilders was smart to put as the 'Website' for the film as Wikipedia - it can't be permanently disabled!

Summary of the film at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_%28film%29

(Which is not the exact site he quotes in the film, his ends at the Fitna.)

Posted by: BUUUUURRRRNING HOT at March 27, 2008 10:47 PM

"but to flush a fifth of the world down the gas chameber sounds like WW2."

It's nothing to do with gas chambers. There's only so long you can carry on pretending your enemies are your friends, before you're overwhelmed and destroyed.

Nobody in the west wanted to send the Nazis "down the gas chambers", but we woke up in time to recognise they had to be stopped decisively.

Right now, it's the equivalent of Nazi colonies springing up in every part of the western world, committing atrocities, intimidating us all into submission, and our politicians (and people such as yourself) saying "don't blame all Nazis, the problem is just a minority of bad Nazis who give the rest a bad name".

Chamberlain and other European leaders attempted appeasement back then, for the understandable reason that the memory of the meat grinder of World War I was still fresh. But in the end they had to recognise that you have to stand up against death cults before they destroy everything. That this death cult is a millennium and a half old doesn't make it any more palatable. Perhaps another anology here-

It's as if Nazism had arisen long ago, conquered a large part of the world, settled into an empire and polity, waxed and waned, become somewhat milder for a while, and then had rediscovered its roots in Mein Kampf literalism and gone back on the empire-building warpath.

This is a massive threat. The question of how best to defeat it is a difficult question. But we aren't getting anywhere pretending the threat doesn't exist.

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at March 27, 2008 11:05 PM

The cowardly, politically correct elite as well as the completely independent, impartial and objective MSM back here in the Netherlands have done there utmost to prevent the indifferent majority from viewing this film. All this hubbub has virtually assured that the latter will actually watch it. :-)

My country is still salvageable, but it's two minutes to midnight. Let's hope Fitna will be a catalyst for change.

Posted by: Jeroen van Kessel at March 27, 2008 11:07 PM

Here's a sobering thought, Jeroen. When Christianity became the state religion of Rome, something less than 10% of the population were Christian. But within a few generations, paganism was entirely extinguished. It doesn't take a majority to win a campaign like this, just a fervent minority with a good plan.

Right now, Islam has an extremely good plan.

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at March 27, 2008 11:28 PM

Suppression of Press Freedom: Journalist Mother of Five Murdered by Offended Gang Banger

AIBARA CITY: A local journalist and mother of several young children, one of them still nursing, made a fatal mistake in insulting a local gang leader yesterday.

Witnesses to the exchange report that she accused gang members of being "greedy and without honour" for joining up with the gang leader known locally as 'Madd', who is alleged to encourage gang members to rob and kill passersby indiscriminately.

Madd is reported to have been upset by this remark, and allegedly put a hit on the journalist. A man known by the nickname of 'Um-Um', one of Madd's closer gang members, carried out the directive.

Last night, Um-Um broke into the journalist's apartment where she lives with her five young children. The mother had fallen asleep with her youngest child still suckling from her.

Um-Um grabbed the baby away and immediately stabbed a large knife into the mother.

This morning, Um-Um was reported to have met with Madd to report on his murderous act. Madd had already heard the news, and congratulated Um-um on his loyalty to the gang.

Witnesses report that although Um-Um felt guilty over the murder of the mother of five, Madd dismissed the murder as (quote) "As meaningless as two goats butting heads," so chill out dawg.

Local police were alerted to the murder, but took no action.

When queried as to the reason for their apparent apathy, the chief of police replied: "To bring up the issue would be politically incorrect. We don't want to be sued or threatened with violence for appearing intolerant of different cultures and religions."

The fate of murdered journalist's now orphaned children is unknown.

-------------------------------------------

Actually, the above is not an original news report.

It was plagiarized from here: http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Murder.Islam (search for Umayr)

Soooooooo............... Anyone want to dismiss fanatical jihadists as 'extremists who do not follow the true Islam'?

Posted by: BUUUUURRRRNING HOT at March 27, 2008 11:49 PM

Here's a copy of a review of the film which I've just posted to imdb:



A review of Fitna: A highly relevant short film.



This film, whose main site was preemptively censored by an American web hosting company, has been released by it's producer on liveleak. And there is a current wikipedia page about the film that is still up. So I have now seen the film. Here's my review:



There are some inflammatory parts. But they are not unreasonably inflammatory when one considers what is actually advocated by some Islamic Imams today.

I have previously exposed myself to speeches given by people such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Dutch Somali woman who has to have round the clock security. The producer of this film, Geert Wilders, has to have similar security for himself also. And why does this occur? Because of the current primitive state of the Islamic culture as compared to that of Christianity, Judaism, and of the Asian religions & cultures.



In the film Fitna, Mr. Wilders shows some Koran versus & then visual examples of how those verses are played out in his view. He also shows Islamic teachers advocating violence & murder.



Since Mr. Wilders has to go around with round the clock security, I can see why he would be anxious to put out a film on these issues. He apparently feels the freedom-loving culture of his own country (Holland) is at risk, and he sees freedom in Europe at risk as well.



When a film is preemptively censored by an American company, you know there's a problem & that the censored film is even more important to see. Consider all the past films that have been censored. They basically were telling some key social truth which was inconvenient to the powers that be. And that's what this film does also.



The film shows how Islam is essentially operating along a medieval Bronze-age type track. The Christian Bible & the Jewish Torah (Old Testament) do advocate murder & other horrific things. Yes they do. So subjectively one could consider both Jehovah and Allah to be cruel & sadistic.



But the Jews & the Christians have for the most part moved beyond the medieval thinking which their ancestors embraced. The Crusades are over, for example. And when Jehovah supposedly advocated to the Jews that they kill whole groups of people who weren't Jewish (ref. the Old Testament), that was "back then." Today there are not active Jewish & Christian schools that advocate killing "the other" - at least not nearly as many as currently exist in Islam.



I am aware of the "Jesus Camp" people, but there's no Jesus-camps being financed by a national state.



Saudi Arabia does fund schools where children are taught to hate the non-Muslim. Fitna does address this issue. And similar documentaries put out by Channel 4 in the UK (“Root of all evil?” - with Richard Dawkins), also talk about how Saudi Arabia is funding schools which teach Islamic children to hate "the other" - the non-Muslim. And Sam Harris & Christopher Hitchens have spoken about these issues as well.



Anyway the fact that a.) the film's first web site was censored by an American company, and b.) that the film's producer has to have round the clock security due to death threats against him as a result of his film & similar works, it is all a commentary on the state of Islam today.



After seeing the film I am left wondering how we all can cause Islam to move beyond Bronze-age murderous medieval thinking. I know there are some in that culture/religion trying to do this. But Europe is unfortunately doing too much appeasing, and Mr. Wilders agrees as per what he states in his film.



Toward the end of the film Mr. Wilders asks for help with defending freedom: That Europe previously defended freedom in the case of Naziism and Communism. He sees Islam as a similar threat.



European countries do readily ban Nazi groups & paraphernalia. Maybe they should do more banning of these Saudi funded schools where children are taught to hate & to harbor murder in their hearts. I hope they do implement such a ban.



Multiculturalism & diversity has it's limits. Mr. Wilders film, the fact that Islamists sought to censor it, and the fact that Mr. Wilders has to go around with round the clock security are direct proofs of the limits.



I hope more films of this nature come out.



Fitna is 16 minutes long. A similar film, called “Submission” by Theo van Gogh, was 10 minutes long. Mr. Van Gogh, a descendant of the brother of the painter Vincent van Gogh, was murdered because he put his film out. That's outrageous, and my reaction to such things is visceral. I am going to temper my reaction with some reason though. For example, I'm not going to allow myself to be taken advantage of by people who advocate continual war. But the whole point I think of the work of people like Theo Van Gogh & Geert Wilders is to show in stark terms just exactly what the problems are with having too much politically correct multiculturalism - where you allow people who don't value freedom to be in your midst. To allow people who really don’t value freedom to take advantage of the free societies they’re allowed to live in.



Certainly a large proportion of humans who call themselves Muslim have moved beyond Bronze-age murderous thinking. But one point brought home by Mr. Wilders’ film is this: There are apparently more murderous freedom-hating radicals in Islam than there are in other current religions. And there’s big problems with allowing nation-state funded (that is, by Saudi Arabia) schools in your freedom loving countries which teach children to hate & to kill those who are not members of their religion. And to teach children that it’s ok to have a culture that oppresses women, that does not value freedom of speech, and so on...



---end of my imdb review of the film



Cheers.



p.s. I am a liberal. But there are some liberals who see value in advocating or at least tolerating the oppression of women & a curtailing of freedom. Why is it that the "right" calls attention to the problems with Islam more than the left, while at the same time the "right" takes other actions to curtail freedom (eg: sexual freedom)? Perhaps this whole thing illustrates the problems with labels. I just don't want to be a hypocrite. A berka is always oppressive - for example. And not all religions are the same - some actually are more damaging than others. But it's not "PC" to state these things - even though they're true.

Posted by: birdman at March 27, 2008 11:56 PM

Crazy Christians kill their own children!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080328/ap_on_re_us/daughter_s_death_prayer

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2008 12:52 AM

"And not all religions are the same - some actually are more damaging than others. But it's not "PC" to state these things - even though they're true."

Jews, Christians and Muslims have been killing each other for thousands of years. This is nothing new. For a long time The Christians were the best killers out there. Maybe they still are. Muslims killers are simply getting more press these days.

When people do away with their primitive religions, and beliefs that their Gods are better than others, along with the idea that they will have some wonderful "afterlife" in "heaven" simply because they "believe" in the "right" God then maybe the rest of us will get some peace.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2008 1:36 AM

When people do away with their primitive religions, and beliefs that their Gods are better than others, along with the idea that they will have some wonderful "afterlife" in "heaven" simply because they "believe" in the "right" God then maybe the rest of us will get some peace.

Tell that to the 100 million victims of Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot... All prolific church demolishers, religious-believer killers, and avowed atheists.

100 years of atheism did more damage than 6000 years of paganism, Judaism, Christianity Islam and Aztec ritual sacrifice combined.

Only abortion kills more than that - 1 million every MONTH. And oh, guess who opposes abortion? It sure ain't the irreligious.

Versus how many Christian murders of those they hate, which you think may be still be the most in the world? SEVEN in 35 years.

Extremist Pro-Life Christian Fascists Have Killed Millions in the Name of Stopping Abortion! (Well, Maybe Not Quite That Many)

Yeah, your un-superstitious atheists sure know how to bring 'peace' to us - by putting us all in the grave of oblivion.

And I thought atheists prided themselves on their rationale, logic and facts.

Posted by: BUUUUURRRRNING HOT at March 28, 2008 2:10 AM

Anon,

Jews, Christians and Muslims have been killing each other for thousands of years.

Christians haven't killed each other in the name of religion since the Peace of Westphalia 1648.

I'm fairly certain that they haven't killed anyone of other religions in the name of Christianity since Vienna, 1683- and that was to repel an invasion by the Turks.

3 centuries is a long time.

Posted by: Panday at March 28, 2008 2:33 AM

Zionist propaganda, from a Mossad-affiliated operator who has "visited" Israel over forty times.

Very sad, the brainwashing here.

Posted by: hashfanatic at March 28, 2008 2:36 AM

After reading some comments....
I loved the film but apeasers will not be swayed no matter how compelling the evidense. I wash my hands of them and feel no desire to protect them anymore. May Allah the all "merciful" take "pity" on them.

Posted by: mpgrunt787 at March 28, 2008 3:33 AM

As a grandmother of two Muslim children, I assure you though they don't all want Christians killed, MOST WOULD NOT HESITATE to aid those who do. Heard it from their own loving lips. The whole family (including 3 brothers who have been here since they were little) plus the men in the families of friends in New York City openly discuss it. Why? Because their religion calls for it. Why? It is a false relgion that denies the One True Relgion. Why? Because "Allah" is a false material god.

This is a FACT. Don't like it? Too bad for YOU!

Which is why "6 million Muslims become Christian". See recent story below.:


Why Muslims Convert by Charles Colson March 24, 2008

In church yesterday, as you celebrated Easter, did you notice anything-or anyone-unusual? In churches all over the world, there were millions of people celebrating the resurrection of Christ, who were not there just a few years ago-because they were worshipping in a mosque instead. It is thrilling evidence that God is doing a mighty work among Muslims. According to the website Islam Watch, in Russia, some two million ethnic Muslims converted to Christianity last year. Ten thousand French Muslims converted, as did 35,000 Turkish Muslims. In India, approximately 10,000 people abandoned Islam for Christianity. In his book Epicenter, author Joel Rosenberg details amazing stories of Muslims converting to Christianity. In Algeria, the birthplace of St. Augustine, more than 80,000 Muslims have turned to Christ in recent years. This, despite the stiff opposition from Islamic clerics who have passed laws banning evangelism.

In Morocco, newspaper articles openly worry that 25,000 to 40,000 Muslims have become followers of Christ in recent years. The stories are even more amazing in the heart of the Middle East. In 1996, the Egyptian Bible Society sold just 3,000 video copies of the JESUS film. In the year 2000, they sold an incredible 600,000 copies. In Sudan, as many as five million Muslims have accepted Christ since the early 1990s, despite horrific persecution of Christians by the Sudanese government. What is behind the mass conversions? According to a Sudanese evangelical leader, "People have seen real Islam, and they want Jesus instead." In Iraq, "More than 5,000 Muslim converts to Christianity have been identified since the end of major combat operations," says Islam Watch. And just a few days ago, the first-ever Roman Catholic church was consecrated in Qatar, a Sunni Muslim state where the Wahhabi brand of Islam is practiced. This was the first time Christians in Qatar have been allowed to practice their faith openly. Ten thousand people attended the opening mass.

These conversions have not escaped the notice of Islamic leaders. In 2001, Sheikh Ahmad Al Qatanni, a leading Saudi cleric, delivered the disturbing news on Al-Jazeera: Every day, he said, "16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity . . . every year, that is six million Muslims becoming Christians . . . A tragedy has happened." It is possible the sheikh was inflating his numbers to incite a reaction against Christianity. But clearly, something is happening. How thrilling to learn that so many Muslims have been set free from the chains of their sins-just as you and I have-by the power of Christ's blood! We must pray for these new brothers and sisters; many are being violently persecuted for their new-found faith. These millions of conversions give us one more reason to rejoice this Easter season. Yes, we may be in a great clash of civilizations; battling Islamo-fascists who threaten to kill us. And the future may at times look bleak. But never despair: God is on His throne, bringing people into His kingdom from the very heart of Islam. This update courtesy of BreakPoint.


Link – http://www.catholicexchange.com/node/70810

Posted by: Sampan at March 28, 2008 6:26 AM

Moonbat arguments:

We can't question Islam because it's a "religion".

We can't hold Islam's teachings accountable for violent acts carried out in its name because Islam has ove a billion followers.

It's a Mossad conspiracy.

We have no right to complain because Christians have been violent in the name of their religion too.

and on and on...

These arguments are so weak they're hardly worth addressing. I want someone to convince Jihadists and their fan base that their interpretations of Islam are wrong. Until then, it's just a bunch of hogwash.

Posted by: forest at March 28, 2008 6:27 AM

As a grandmother of two Muslim children, I assure you though they don't all want Christians killed, MOST WOULD NOT HESITATE to aid those who do. Heard it from their own loving lips. The whole family (including 3 brothers who have been here since they were little) plus the men in the families of friends in New York City openly discuss it. Why? Because their religion calls for it. Why? It is a false relgion that denies the One True Relgion. Why? Because "Allah" is a false material god.

This is a FACT. Don't like it? Too bad for YOU!

Which is why "6 million Muslims become Christian". See recent story below.:


Why Muslims Convert by Charles Colson March 24, 2008

In church yesterday, as you celebrated Easter, did you notice anything-or anyone-unusual? In churches all over the world, there were millions of people celebrating the resurrection of Christ, who were not there just a few years ago-because they were worshipping in a mosque instead. It is thrilling evidence that God is doing a mighty work among Muslims. According to the website Islam Watch, in Russia, some two million ethnic Muslims converted to Christianity last year. Ten thousand French Muslims converted, as did 35,000 Turkish Muslims. In India, approximately 10,000 people abandoned Islam for Christianity. In his book Epicenter, author Joel Rosenberg details amazing stories of Muslims converting to Christianity. In Algeria, the birthplace of St. Augustine, more than 80,000 Muslims have turned to Christ in recent years. This, despite the stiff opposition from Islamic clerics who have passed laws banning evangelism.

In Morocco, newspaper articles openly worry that 25,000 to 40,000 Muslims have become followers of Christ in recent years. The stories are even more amazing in the heart of the Middle East. In 1996, the Egyptian Bible Society sold just 3,000 video copies of the JESUS film. In the year 2000, they sold an incredible 600,000 copies. In Sudan, as many as five million Muslims have accepted Christ since the early 1990s, despite horrific persecution of Christians by the Sudanese government. What is behind the mass conversions? According to a Sudanese evangelical leader, "People have seen real Islam, and they want Jesus instead." In Iraq, "More than 5,000 Muslim converts to Christianity have been identified since the end of major combat operations," says Islam Watch. And just a few days ago, the first-ever Roman Catholic church was consecrated in Qatar, a Sunni Muslim state where the Wahhabi brand of Islam is practiced. This was the first time Christians in Qatar have been allowed to practice their faith openly. Ten thousand people attended the opening mass.

These conversions have not escaped the notice of Islamic leaders. In 2001, Sheikh Ahmad Al Qatanni, a leading Saudi cleric, delivered the disturbing news on Al-Jazeera: Every day, he said, "16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity . . . every year, that is six million Muslims becoming Christians . . . A tragedy has happened." It is possible the sheikh was inflating his numbers to incite a reaction against Christianity. But clearly, something is happening. How thrilling to learn that so many Muslims have been set free from the chains of their sins-just as you and I have-by the power of Christ's blood! We must pray for these new brothers and sisters; many are being violently persecuted for their new-found faith. These millions of conversions give us one more reason to rejoice this Easter season. Yes, we may be in a great clash of civilizations; battling Islamo-fascists who threaten to kill us. And the future may at times look bleak. But never despair: God is on His throne, bringing people into His kingdom from the very heart of Islam. This update courtesy of BreakPoint.


Link – http://www.catholicexchange.com/node/70810

Posted by: Sampan at March 28, 2008 6:29 AM

Disturbing film, but very powerful, something everyone (Especially liberals who defend Muslim extremists) should see.

Oh, and careful hashfanatic, your anti- Semitism's showing.
Maybe you'd be more comfortable at a site like Stormfront.
"When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews, You are talking anti-Semitism."- Martin Luther King, Jr.

Posted by: Adam at March 28, 2008 7:01 AM

Disturbing film, but very powerful, something everyone (Especially liberals who defend Muslim extremists) should see.

Oh, and careful hashfanatic, your anti- Semitism's showing.
Maybe you'd be more comfortable at a site like Stormfront.
"When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews, You are talking anti-Semitism."- Martin Luther King, Jr.

Posted by: Adam at March 28, 2008 7:02 AM

Amen Burning Hot!

The "post-Christian" 20th century is on record for the most murders/battlefield deaths yet: 180 million so far, we probably haven't discovered all of them yet. So much for religion being the sole cause of the world's wars.

Posted by: mandy at March 28, 2008 7:07 AM

Hashfan's comments are not important in themselves, but they do point out the real challenge ahead. No matter what evidence is laid in front of people, no matter how inhuman the atrocities committed by Islam, no matter how many attacks and murders committed by Moslems (10,798 since 9/11) in the name of their religion and based on their own "holy book" and in their own words for the purpose of conquering the planet - no matter what, a very, very large segment of the western world's population has decided it is all a ruse, all religions are equally violent, the whole topic is a vaguely conspiratorial/Jewy thing, and the best course of action is to deny any of it is happening. Sadly, there is currently no way to get these peoples' heads out of the sand or to get them to wake up. Every new atrocity in the name of Allah just leads to more western pouting about the need to understand "root causes" and so forth. There is very little hope, except the knowledge that one of these days Islam will commit an atrocity so terrible and so large in scale that the west will, finally, have no choice but to come out of the slumber and deal with it. No, I am not hoping and waiting for such an atrocity, but we are all dying from a thousand paper cuts and a few major bruises from Islam, and if we want to live, we will need to strike back at some point.

Posted by: mega at March 28, 2008 8:14 AM

Tears.

Dja ever think, they started this? Dja ever think, we left Afghanistan when the Russians pulled out. We left Lebanon. We stopped the French and the British from invading Egypt. We abandoned Iran.

Our legacy of non-intervention has an interesting counterpoint. Our policy of intervention. I believe Nicaragua is better off because of our intervention. I know Costa Rica is better off. Democrats want us to abandon Columbia. Why?

Would we be better off if Panama was still being controlled by Pineapple Face?

The fear I see "us" having is in the size of the enemy. Are we willing to stand up to the hundreds of millions of those who stand against us? Will a victory in Iraq modify enough belief structure to alter the course of Islam? Can we force a reformation?

I'm afraid that we crouch behind multi-culturalism to avoid facing the reality of Islam. It is too vast a threat for us to comprehend.

Posted by: OregonGuy at March 28, 2008 8:39 AM

Man, it's so confusing to be a TRUE CONSERVATIVE these days.

Are we now taking the position that George W. Bush was wrong on this, too?

In the wake of the September 11 attacks, Bush said, "Those directing their anger against Muslims in the wake of the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon should be ashamed.

"Muslim Americans make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country. They need to be treated with respect", Bush said, remarks for which he was praised by Republicans, Democrats, and the international community.

Touring a Washington mosque, Bush said, "the face of terror is not the true faith of Islam."

So now we think he was wrong about that?

Maybe he is the Worst President Ever. (I Googled this phrase.)

News Report


WRITE IN QUAYLE '08 -- HE'LL HATE AS MUCH AS YOU WANT

Posted by: Dan Quayle at March 28, 2008 10:09 AM

Get the Dem delegates to swing to "Al Gore Prez '08"

He'll shut down oil imports and drive all dem pseudo-rich sand farmers back into the seventh century. Allahu akbarf.

Posted by: Bergbikr at March 28, 2008 10:56 AM

Dan Quayle, some of us were never confused about GWB. When he said all those things about Islam, we thought, he's either dishonest or stupid. The only real counterargument at the time was Bush's "You're either with us or you are with the terrorists" speech, but that long ago turned out to be a shimera, replaced by Condi's bumbling and mishandling of, well, everything. No, you can be a true conservative and feel that GWB isn't/wasn't up to the task, with no internal conflict.

Posted by: mega at March 28, 2008 11:43 AM

A brilliant film. One that absolutely MUST be thrown in the faces of every last Islamo-Fascist and spineless moonbat on Earth. To Geert Wilders: NEVER BACK DOWN! THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE ISLAMO-NAZIS AND THEIR USEFUL IDIOT FRIENDS (moonbats) WANT YOU TO DO. Liberalism is a mental disorder and Islam is a death cult. Got a problem with that statement moonbats? TOUGH SH!T.

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at March 28, 2008 12:15 PM

PARKER
What's YOUR solution?
Any other moonbat may answer this question.

Posted by: KHarn at March 28, 2008 1:36 PM

UPDATE: LGF reports Liveleak has removed "Fitna" out of concerns for the safety of their staff, after death threats from the "religion of peace".

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29417_LiveLeak_Removes_Fitna_After_Death_Threats&only

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at March 28, 2008 2:10 PM

Yes, it's a religion of peace.

Believe it, or else!

And yes Dan, W was wrong when he called Islam a religion of peace. I don't think many of our elected officials have bothered to learn much about it.

Posted by: forest at March 28, 2008 2:33 PM

Adam, aren't you really fighting for the wrong army, or is this your way of admitting they are basically one in the same?

Posted by: hashfanatic at March 28, 2008 3:56 PM

fyi, van - the film company is running scared!

if this disappears from the blogosphere, let me know and i know someone who's got a copy.

Posted by: nanc at March 28, 2008 4:30 PM

You can still see the film here:

http://tinyurl.com/2urssc

He's North Dakota tough.

http://sayanythingblog.com/

Posted by: OregonGuy at March 28, 2008 6:40 PM

Moonbat arguments:

It's a Mossad conspiracy.

Totally spot on, forest.

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Posted by: BUUUUURRRRNING HOT at March 28, 2008 7:28 PM

Well - I hope you had time to watch it:

Koran Film Taken Down 'After Threats'
By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com International Editor
March 28, 2008

(CNSNews.com) - Dutch lawmaker Geert Wilders' controversial film linking the Koran with extremism and terrorism was removed from a British Internet site Friday, after the site said staff had been threatened.

Millions saw the 16-minute film before LiveLeak removed it, and the film was condemned by many, including U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the Organization of the Islamic Conference, a 57-member bloc of Islamic states.

Posted by: Jimbo at March 28, 2008 7:48 PM

That we have set the groundwork to embrace Islam has long been apparent in:

1) the socialism perpetuated in the US since Lyndon Johnson's vomitous Great Society initiatives
2) our suicidal pandering to criminals
3) our suicidal open borders
4) our country's meek acceptance of the idiots coughed up by the democratic party as choices for presidents and judges
5) our lowered tolerance for atrocity
6) the mainstream status of amorality and thoughtless moral equivalence perpetuated by liberals (see 5)
7) the routine engagement of liberal's cheap rhetorical fallacies, which include false analogies and brainless parallelisms (see 6)
8) continual centralized governmental control of education
9) perpetuation of ignorance and the censorship of free speech, including this noble film
10) burkas and headscarfs worn amoungst civilized people
11) gun control
12) 60 years of media liberal propaganda
13) etc.

Posted by: Fiberal at March 29, 2008 12:47 PM

The main domain website for the movie http://fitnathemovie.com/ is currently suspended. To be exact, they posted the following notice:


This site has been suspended while Network Solutions is investigating whether the site's content is in violation of the Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy. Network Solutions has received a number of complaints regarding this site that are under investigation. For more information about Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy visit the following URL: http://www.networksolutions.com/legal/aup.jsp


I love the way cowards hide behind their panty-waisted lawyers. They'd never do this sort of a suspension of a domain if something which offended Christianity were up, and Christians were complaining. Then they are real brave with their free-speech armor on.

Posted by: Lyle at March 29, 2008 4:38 PM

THE FACTS ARE:

- The Koran preaches intolerance and violence. Just read through the Koran, and count the number of negative words and phrases. Only this is enough to say that Islam is a religion from Hell.

- All major terrorist attacks occuring worldwide, with the sole intention to kill innocent people, has/are been carried out by Muslims. You don't see Christian or Buddhist fanatics flying planes into buildings, blowing up trains or buses, all the name of their God, simply because this doesn't happen.

- Women are stoned to death in public for committing adultery, gays are hanged in public places just for being gays, and young girls are sexually mutillated before they reach puberity - and this is what the Muslims call the "religion of peace".

Basing on these FACTS, and nobody can deny them, the western civilized world MUST IMMEDIATELY stop the influx of Muslims into our societies. We must not allow this kind of mental sickness to take over our lives and our freedom.

Posted by: AndyR at March 30, 2008 1:29 AM

FITNA VERSUS PEACE

The most important thing one should know and understand is the context in which these verses fit.
How could a non-Arab speaker, a non-Muslim, come up with such stupid conclusions!!?
Open for e.g whatever pages of best-seller books, you would come across paragraphs, sentences, pieces of dialogues either speaking or describing a crime, a sinister, a disaster and so forth and so on…would one say that the book is worthless!!?
As for reaping or destroying “The Coran”,be sure that the vilest and the meanness “Muslim” would never do that ,even in his dreams, as we say.
Many enemies of Islam ,throughout history, reacted in the same way and worse; meanwhile ,others did it in different manners: either by destroying hundreds of copies, distortioning, changing words, verses with similar sound-like ones to mock the original words of Allah.
We are not surprised at the attack itself; but at how could still exist,in our XIX st. Century,such kind of so-called intelligent/clever persons, who consider themselves liberals, democratic and amancipated.how could they react in such a primitive way!?
Where is freedom of creeds and religion? Where is democracy? Where is liberty?
Islam is fast spreading…Yes, we know this and we have always been aware of that since the first moment it appeared. We are even sure that it is the first and last religion on earth. Like it or not,It is in “The Coran”, the tradition and the religion you could never destroy ! !
As we love the people of Holland for their pacific, democratic system and way of life,
I` d like to invite them to consider this prophecy: come and buy lands and houses in the muslim countries to save yourselves from drowning, the deluge will affect you first.It`s
logical, your country is the only one under the level of sea, and along with what is happening because of earth heating, imagine what could happen in a few years, where are you going to live ? Come along with us,we have the best protection for you and your families.


يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ)
(عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ (12)
49 Apartments سورة الحجرات - *
( O men, We created you from a male and female, and formed you into nations and tribes that you may recognise each other. He who has more integrity has indeed greater honour with God. Surely God is all-knowing and well-informed.) 12

(مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَى بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَن قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَلَقَدْ جَاءتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيراً مِّنْهُم بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ فِي الأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ) {32}
5 The Table-المائدة
32. That is why We decreed for the children of Israel that whosoever kills a human being, except (as punishment) for murder or for spreading corruption in the land, it shall be like killing all humanity; and whosoever saves a life, saves the entire human race. Our apostles brought clear proofs to them; but even after that most of them committed excesses in the land.

3-Al-'Imran- آل عمران
قُلْ يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ تَعَالَوْاْ إِلَى كَلَمَةٍ سَوَاء بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمْ أَلاَّ نَعْبُدَ إِلاَّ اللّهَ وَلاَ نُشْرِكَ بِهِ شَيْئًا وَلاَ يَتَّخِذَ بَعْضُنَا بَعْضاً أَرْبَابًا مِّن دُونِ اللّهِ فَإِن تَوَلَّوْاْ فَقُولُواْ اشْهَدُواْ بِأَنَّا مُسْلِمُونَ {64}
64. Tell them: "O people of the Book, let us come to an agreement on that which is common between us, that we worship no one but God, and make none His compeer, and that none of us take any others for lord apart from God." If they turn away you tell them: "Bear witness that we submit to Him."

Youssef Lyoussi

Posted by: mastermind114 at March 30, 2008 6:45 AM

"mastermind114"
In short, you are saying "join us or DIE!" Does it bother you jerks that we OBJECT? We're getting pretty damn sick of your muslim crap, buddy and while we're NEVER going to join you, we may soon adopt YOUR tactics.

Posted by: KHarn at March 30, 2008 6:25 PM

When Will you people ever wake up? When will you start thinking out of the matrix that Satan and his agents (bankers, freemasons and Zionists) had built for you. Every now and then these agents come up with a new play to stir up the west against Islam and the same method is used again and again, taking holly verses out of context and bringing to the scene some ignorant Muslims wrong practices to prove their point of view. This scheme has started to take shape after 9/11 and the sad thing is that a lot of people still think of 9/11 as an Islamist extremist terrorist attack on freedom while it is clear now that 9/11 was an inside job used later as a pretext for police state, and to launch a “war on terror” having as objectives oil, weakening of Islamic countries, and keeping Israel the ultimate power in the middle east, and most of all fighting Islam which is becoming a big concern for these guys new order plan (the three monotheistic religions Islam, Christianity and Judaism should be weakened or even abolished if possible) they represent big problem for this evil plan. By the way, al-Qaeda, the reason for so called “war on terror” is a CIA creation, and the majority of Muslims think of it’s members as deviated from true Islam.(are you starting to get it?) The cartoons of the profit and numerous movies and writings are pushing the west to clash with Islam which is spreading more and more especially in Europe. Please people, start thinking for yourselves far from the influence of the media lies. Read the Quran, make your own judgments, and pray to God for guidance sincerely.
Allah invites Muslims to live in peace with all other religions and all verses dealing with jihad and fighting are about defending religion and land from attackers, as in Irak for instance (more than 1000000 victims since USA invasion, and they say Islam is terror).
Islam is not a bad religion, but it happens that Islamic lands are filled with oil and Muslims are an obstacle to Satans plans. Allah, the God of Mohammad, Jesus, Moses and Abraham says in Quran:
{If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people} (Al maida 32)
{There is no compulsion in religion} (Al bakara 256)

Posted by: sincer2u at March 31, 2008 8:42 AM

"When Will you people ever wake up?"

For me it'll take a conspiracy theory that MAKES SCENCE! If you and your kind had any brains, sincer2u, you would realise that all the most popular conspiracy theories sound RETARDED when you think about tham. "We just want you to think and ask questions" they say. That's a LIE, only people who blindly follow others will believe that snot.

"{There is no compulsion in religion} (Al bakara 256)"

So why all the MASS MURDERS in the name of allah? Your koran ALSO says if someone doesn't convert after given the chance, they are to be MURDERED.
Suck on it, lier!

Posted by: KHarn at March 31, 2008 1:53 PM

I dont know who's this Wilder guy is, but i just want to say he's a sick, twisted, irrational man! Why would he start a war, when the other party do nothing to him? When i watch this movie, it shows how stupid he is, to believe AND to accuse muslim for doing such things. What he didnt know, is that by his so-called 'exposing the truth', could cause million of muslim lives to be in jeopardy. The numbers of islamiphobic whould increase and that dissapoints me when we, muslim try so hard to show people that we aren't as what they accused us for. For the koran, he twist it to show how we are the bad and cruel people. He cuts the verse into a few twisted minded accusation of what he wants people to think muslims as. FYI, the koran is telling about the people of centuries before, and how they are cruel and evil and ungrateful and all those things. 15 prophets were sent to them, to help them, but most of them were slaughtered or killed. That's why the koran tells the story, as a lesson that the religion cannot be played. But this bastard try to twist and bend the story and link it with terrorists to show that muslims are terrorists. And also regarding the murder after given the chance thing, that's actually meant for the people who converted into islam and CONVERT BACK out. It's also to show that islam is a religion that can't be played about. Think about it, you guys. God gives us brain to think. And try to think about the rationality of this. For millions of muslims in the world, only a group of them are linked to the terrorists, so why must you associate them with their religion? It's what they are, not what they believe in.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 4, 2008 11:25 PM