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January 24, 2008

Listening In on the Ron Paul Abyss

What the Pied Piper was to rats, Ron Paul is to a strange political creature you might call the right-wing moonbat. Something about him calls them scurrying out in alarming numbers from the fetid crevices they inhabit.

On Tuesday, Denver's Gunny Bob Newman caught a live one on his radio show. If you ever considered voting for Paul, check out the last half of this audio.

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It's medication time.

Via DUmmie FUnnies, on a tip from Cheetah.

Posted by Van Helsing at January 24, 2008 8:52 PM

Comments

Oh, that's just a neocon plant, designed to smear Dr. Paul! No one's going to change their vote based on such obviously contrived silliness.

What kind of a man calls himself "Gunny", anyway?

Hope he enjoys his fifteen minutes of fame, because I predict this would be his final chance at it!

Maybe someone has a bridge to sell Van Helsing.

Posted by: hashfanatic at January 24, 2008 10:11 PM

Paul does not need a 'plant' to be smeared. All he needs to do is open his mouth.

No matter, plant or not, the guy on the audio (the caller) connected the dots as to why most normal people in the US know that Paul is outttttttttttttttt tttttttttttttheeeeeeerrrreeee.

Posted by: Oiao at January 24, 2008 11:27 PM

Readers of Moonbattery, I would like to call a toast to commentors hashfanatic and hasfanaticFAN for their invaluable trolling duties.

Their liberal talking points and arguments have resulted in a higher volume of comments and discussion refuting and mocking Moonbattiness, as well as plenty of amusement all round.

So join me as I say, "Three cheers for the hashes!"

Posted by: BUUUUURRRRNING HOT at January 24, 2008 11:53 PM

Yeah, I'll trust some yokel miltard with a mike, that has 96 hits against him on Media Matters, over my own common sense.

Another affirmative action hire! Way to go, Colorado!

Posted by: hashfanatic at January 25, 2008 12:06 AM

He was a gunnery sergeant, hence "gunny".

As for Media Matters, anything to the right of Noam Chomsky is viewed as conservative bias.

Posted by: El Presidente at January 25, 2008 1:09 AM

Trusting the Clinton-swooning Media Matters as an objective judge of media bias is comparable to electing Libya to chair the United Nations Commission on Human Rights. (Which actually happened btw. Yay UN.)

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/11/15/468740.aspx

Posted by: BUUUUURRRRNING HOT at January 25, 2008 1:49 AM

Your welcome Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurning!

I say three cheers for hash as well.

And likewise, I enjoy watching you make an ass of yourself multiple times a day.

I also think you will have to agree that both myself and hashfanatic have also contributed significantly to an increase of intelligence posts from, intelligent Anti-neocon wingbat free thinkers. Seems we've given them some courage to stand up to the rights offensive crude bully tactics and lack of rationality. Not an easy task.

Posted by: hashfanaticFAN at January 25, 2008 3:12 AM

Ron Paul is a confusing enigma to me. I used to take heart that even if he was a deeply flawed messenger, it was great that his message of limited, constitutional government ignited such passion.

But, as time goes by, I've begun to doubt whether that was the part of his message that his followers were so enthused about. His most enthusiastic followers tend to be drawn from the ranks of the troofer/white supremacist/anti-Israel fringe of American politics.

It's a feeling that only deepened as the RuPaul campaign devolved into a personality cult.

Posted by: V the K at January 25, 2008 5:23 AM

While some of the things he says makes sense, other times he goes completely off the rails. When Glenn Beck asked him about threats to kill him from Pauls groupies he just said something about standing for non-violence. He didnt say some of my followers are nuts and disavow them and really dont want their support. Things like that speak volumes. Paul has about as much chance of winning the nomination as Pat Buchannan did. Zero. Pat is not nearly as bad but he still gets goofy - and that laugh - ugh!

Posted by: Anonymous at January 25, 2008 5:53 AM

what a shambles Bush has left the Republican party in! Most incumbents pave the way for at least one strong candidate to follow in his footsteps. Not Bushie.

It is amusing watching the right struggle to figure out exactly which one of these bozos is more religious, and conservative than the other.

On many right wing blogs Paul is held up as a hero, here he is ridiculed. They just don't know what to make of the guy. I actually hope he runs as an independent. He can be this years Nader, or Perot, who will steal countless votes from the Repugnantican candidate.

Posted by: hashfanaticFAN at January 25, 2008 6:04 AM

Wastoid hashhead, the Demoncratic party isnt in much better shape. Democrats control Congress but havent done much of anything and their approval rating is lower than Bush. And Shillary and Osama is the best the Demoncrats have? Ugh! Bush's problem is he is too wishy washy on Domestic policy. Hes weak on border security - catering the Mexicans in his family, not vetoing bloated pork laden spending bills and spending too much time trying to be liked.

Its not really about Republicans and Democrats as much as its about politicians in general - both parties are infested with self serving gas bags just trying to stay in office or get elected. If aliens came and whisked away all the current politicians in both parties that would be a welcome turn of events. All ballots this fall should have a box for MR. NOBODY.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 25, 2008 6:28 AM

"Seems we've given them some courage to stand up to the rights offensive crude bully tactics and lack of rationality. Not an easy task."

Ummm, yeah. That's not easy to do because it doesn't make any sense.

Is HashpipeFan Hashpipe's Ronulan sockpuppet?

Posted by: forest at January 25, 2008 6:34 AM

"Its not really about Republicans and Democrats as much as its about politicians in general - both parties are infested with self serving gas bags just trying to stay in office or get elected."

Yes, I agree. This is, unforunately, the best America has to offer...sad, sad, sad..

You see these politicians come from American homes, schools, churches, etc. This is the BEST we can do...sorry, but that's precisely the kinds of people America produces: in your words: "self serving gas bags"

And I just have to laugh at the comment that you think Bush is "trying to be liked" . Considering his now world record low approval rates, you can chalk this "attempt" up as another one of the blowhards failures.

Posted by: hashfanaticFAN at January 25, 2008 6:38 AM

The optimist in me hopes that both political parties will be demolished and we can start over with a clean sheet. Bush has most certainly tarnished the Republican brand, mostly by his efforts to outspend the Democrats on domestic programs and by his pandering to illegal immigrants. The Clintons are performing a similar feat in the Democrat party through their race-baiting and hypocritical corporate greed. (It was "Hillarious" that Hillary is out denouncing sovereign funds while Bill is collecting 10 million a year from the UAE as an "investment advisor.")

Posted by: V the K at January 25, 2008 6:50 AM

paul is more than strange, but he was the ONLY candidate to attend a pro-life rally so far this month. that says a little about his character.

Posted by: nanc at January 25, 2008 7:13 AM

"the Demoncratic party isnt in much better shape..."

This is very true (except for the "demon" part, lol!

The difference is that, whereas getting liberals and the growing American Left to stand in solidarity has always been, as like one wise American correctly stated, herding cats, this time the wingnuts are the ones to "break away from the (neocon) reservation".

Some are descending into extremist pro-Zionist hawkism, others seem to be retreating into the comfort of traditional paleo-con familiarity, many of the more religiously-oriented are looking for the "compassionate conservatism" the Bush Crime Family promised but never delivered, and a remnant is searching for an entirely new and yet undefined direction.

To what do I ascribe this breakdown?

The illegals, the issue few on the political landscape that none of today's crop of partisan politicians from either side of the aisle seem willing to examine in any sort of honest manner.

Americans are witnessing the deterioration of our distinct, unique society and culture every day, on our streets and byways. They see the deterioration spreading and worsening, with frightening parallels to similar Muslim incursions in Europe, hear and see nothing but rhetoric and inaction, and they are rightfully pissed off.

Carry on about "moonbats" and lightbulbs and queer parades and abortionists all you want, but I believe the illegals invasion, and the wholesale adoption of Spanish as a language equal in stature to English, is the Rubicon the neocons never wanted crossed.

The greater part of the American Right no longer feel the Republican Party's candidates represent their values and their interests, but they realize the Democrats will never meet their needs as well.

Is this any way to elect a President?

Posted by: hashfanatic at January 25, 2008 7:21 AM

"...but he was the ONLY candidate to attend a pro-life rally so far this month. that says a little about his character."

Yeah, he's the only hardliner on that one, all of the other candidates equivocate, based on the audience du jour.

But he was an OB-GYN, who helped bring countless lives into the world, so it makes sense, no?

Posted by: hashfanatic at January 25, 2008 7:24 AM

"The optimist in me hopes that both political parties will be demolished and we can start over with a clean sheet. Bush has most certainly tarnished the Republican brand, mostly by his efforts to outspend the Democrats on domestic programs and by his pandering to illegal immigrants. The Clintons are performing a similar feat in the Democrat party through their race-baiting and hypocritical corporate greed. (It was "Hillarious" that Hillary is out denouncing sovereign funds while Bill is collecting 10 million a year from the UAE as an "investment advisor.")"

Once again, V, you are 100% correct.

The only way we can break from this unending one-party-masquerading-as-two-party system is to dump the electoral college and form parties that truly reflect our views and our values, but how is that done, without violating and disrespecting the Constitution?

Posted by: hashfanatic at January 25, 2008 7:28 AM

To dump the electoral caollege would be disastrous. The only places any one would campaign and visit for the Presidential elections would be California, NY, Texas and Florida. Because why would you need to go to Wyoming or North Dakota, they have no votes or say in anything. That is why we habe the elctoral college, so all states have a a say in an election.

I say we change the Primary process, it is totally a circus and we never get anyone that either party wnats, because in most states people cross the party lines in the Primaries to get the least liked or least electable on the other side to win the Primary. I woiuld like to have it be Republicans vote fot the Republcan nominee and Democrats vote for the Democratic nominee, and if you are an Independent, well shit you are out of luck.

Posted by: Stix at January 25, 2008 8:35 AM

And Ron Paul is not a Republican or a conservative, he is more like the old time Democrats of the Jim Crowe era and should be kicked out of Congress.

Posted by: Stix at January 25, 2008 8:53 AM

On what grounds, stix?

Posted by: hashfanatic at January 25, 2008 8:56 AM

Posted by: Rob Banks at January 25, 2008 11:59 AM

HASHFANATIC
I owe you an appoligy for accuseing you of being a communist. I have thought about your posts and I realise that I was mistaken, I am sorry for that. I am only human. Upon reflection, I have come to the conclusion that while you may ADMIRE the communist, you think of yourself as an "INTELECTUAL".

But the strange thing is that NO ONE decides that someone else is an "intelectual", the person decides that for themself. An intelectual (In case you didn't know) is someone who thinks he is SUPPERIOR to all others and that people who do not measure up to THEIR standards are of a "lower class" at best and "subhuman" at worse.

This shows in your posts where you refuse to provide evidenc to your claims, taking the attitude that we are not worth your notice. You are also of the habit of jumping on speeling errors and have used that as a petty excuse not to answer a question. This is a petty and a CHILDISH tactic.

It is also obvious in your posts that you are trying to anger Moonbattery's readers. Your screen name harkens back to the SIXTIES where the mear suggestion of drug use was supposed to be "cool", "shockiing", and "contriversial".
You fling accusations of racism, nazism, anti-intellegence, anti-woman and many other things that are too numerous to list. You never back your words up, because that is not in your nature.
This is far from the "intelectual" response.

From your posts, we can easilysee that your "beliefs" are simply THE OPPOSITE of what the majority of Moonbattery posters advocate. You CLAIM to support homosexuality, free artistic expression and other "Liberal" causes. But the problem is that you have also written AGAINST the war on muslims, the very people who are AGAINST those things and have always reacted VIOLENTLY to such activities.
You have posted that "they are not after me", so it is obvious that you have not viewd the many videos and news reports of muslim speaches where they damn what you CLAIM to believe in and promass to destroy those countries (Like the United States of America) who are TOLERANT of them.
Let us not forget that you have damned the United States in spite of this tolerance.

Hash, you seem to think that kissing muslim ass will exempt you from the consequences of losing this war. I say again that it will not. Whenever tyrants have gained power, the pattern (No matter the idealogy) was always the same:
First Against The Wall: The minor leaders, because tyrants (REAL ONES, not "BOOOOOSH") cannot tolerate competition.
Next Against The Wall: Potential leaders. (See above)
The Third To Stand Against The Wall: INTELECTUALS. For they can cause dissent.

I don't hate you, I pity you and your "FAN".

Posted by: KHarn at January 25, 2008 12:18 PM

I also think you will have to agree that both myself and hashfanatic have also contributed significantly to an increase of intelligence posts from, intelligent Anti-neocon wingbat free thinkers.

Actually, the usual term is wingnut.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingnut_%28politics%29

Posted by: BUUUUURRRRNING HOT at January 25, 2008 5:40 PM

"Upon reflection, I have come to the conclusion that while you may ADMIRE the communist, you think of yourself as an "INTELECTUAL"."

Well, you'd better head back to the drawing board, because once again, you're wrong on all counts.

"But the strange thing is that NO ONE decides that someone else is an "intelectual", the person decides that for themself."

IMHO, intellectuals are boring.

But they DO sometimes come up with a well-thought-out idea or an angle to something you'd never have considered, or had time to consider. We need such folks.

If anything, I resent the anti-intellectualism of the right, and all of this affected "down-homedness". It's just an excuse to let your brain go slack, let others tend to the "school-learnin", and wallow in self-righteousness of its own.

"This shows in your posts where you refuse to provide evidenc to your claims, taking the attitude that we are not worth your notice."

K, the only times I have had to do this is if a) whatever I've stated is common knowledge in the wider society, and you have to be in a total right-wing bubble not to have heard of it, or b) if the whiner is simply indulging in laziness.

Don't take my word for anything I say you don't believe, absolutely. But YOU do your homework, because I've already taken the time to verify and learn the subject for myself.

"It is also obvious in your posts that you are trying to anger Moonbattery's readers."

No, I'm not. I simply refuse to tiptoe and walk around eggshells just to avoid oh-fending my opponents.

I hope you're not under the mistaken impression that this website was set up for you and other like minds, because it was not. The vast majority of the material, graphics, pictures, etc. is custom-designed to tweak the left, at its worst outright infuriate them, and to alienate virtually every other nation on the globe that dares to take not just an opinion counter to American policy, but YOUR particular ideas on American policy, which I assert are actually globalist in disguise, taken on behalf of other principalities and powers.

So don't smack others in the face if you're not prepared to have your spectacles shattered as well.

"Your screen name harkens back to the SIXTIES where the mear suggestion of drug use was supposed to be "cool", "shockiing", and "contriversial"."

Actually, my screenname "harkens" back to the Hebrew word "hashkafah", which means "perspective".

"You fling accusations of racism, nazism, anti-intellegence, anti-woman and many other things that are too numerous to list.:

And I don't recall ONE single post where I have done this. I believe you have me mixed up either with a similarly-named poster, or your fever dreams have overtaken your sensibilities completely.

I would never waste time with such an accusation anyway, since they would automatically be understood here.

Could it be your battle against "political correctness" runs in only one direction?

"From your posts, we can easilysee that your "beliefs" are simply THE OPPOSITE of what the majority of Moonbattery posters advocate."

So? You think your favorite haunt is your exclusive echo chamber? Are you so isolated from mainstream American society that you can no longer tolerate ANY original or dissenting opinions anymore?

"But the problem is that you have also written AGAINST the war on muslims, the very people who are AGAINST those things and have always reacted VIOLENTLY to such activities."

That would be because I reject the existence of any "war on terror" or the existence of Zionist-concocted fantasies of "Islamofascists" which are targeted to continue America's focus on Zionist goals, rather than American interests.

I'm not denying you the right to espouse fear as a motivating force in your daily life and you certainly have your right to express your beliefs, but they are not my fears and I resent my pocket and my country's treasury being picked and raided in order to support another rogue nation, simply because sizable numbers of their descendants happened to emigrate here in the early part of the 20th century. This is the root of Islamic anger toward the West, and fostering medieval bloodfeuds as well as taking sides in them is what I oppose.

"You have posted that "they are not after me".."

Well, they aren't!

"Let us not forget that you have damned the United States in spite of this tolerance."

No, I sit in condemnation of the present United States military, and the present United States government, because I do not see them as American government for Americans at all. I believe they operate under ordinance of a globalist agenda.

And I am against elements of corporatist fascism I see become entrenched. Are you aware that US military base perimeters are no longer guarded by American service personnel? No, they are now guarded by private corporations, here on US soil, and overseas. And you expect me to believe the government and the military places American interests above all? Please...the ports were simply the beginning.

"Hash, you seem to think that kissing muslim ass will exempt you from the consequences of losing this war."

No, because there was never any such "war" in the first place, and unconsciously going to the other extreme and becoming the stereotypical "Shabbos Goy" will insulate you not from the real slaughter and carnage that is on the horizon, either.

Your country's strength lies in its OWN people and its interests, not appropriating another land's or an entirely foreign culture's moral codes and norms, because you share neither culture touchstones nor experiences with them, either.

Why sell out your old people for the perceived strength and "protection" of a supposed ally you can never count on?

"I don't hate you, I pity you and your "FAN"."

No need, dear. I gather my strength and inspiration not from mortals, but from the Power of the Greater One, who lives within me.

I would appreciate it, however, if you lost the "FAN" bit. As I've mentioned repeatedly (and the blog owner has confirmed), I work alone. :)

As the saying goes, be within, stay above.

Posted by: hashfanatic at January 25, 2008 6:21 PM

"I also think you will have to agree that both myself and hashfanatic have also contributed significantly to an increase of intelligence posts from, intelligent Anti-neocon wingbat free thinkers."

Except for the fact that they think we are a bunch of traitorous commie toolbags!

Posted by: hashfanatic at January 25, 2008 6:23 PM

Hash you oppsyd again on the above post. But back to the gist of my post. I thought you had already left for palestine to show us simple people that there's nothing to fear from the muzzies. That there's no war on terrorism because the muzzies love the U.S. I had hope for you but alas I see that you're just a basement dweller in mommy's house. That's too bad.Oh by the way. Do you need any fresh grown veggies?

Posted by: Farmer Ted at January 25, 2008 6:48 PM

Windbags not toolbags.

Posted by: Beef at January 27, 2008 2:11 PM

Its interesting that Leftists think that Ron Paul is a spoiler. But he doesnt appeal to anyone a Leftist would consider a NeoCon.

Ron Paul hates Israel and wants to withdraw our troops from just about every overseas base. How is someone like that going to steal votes from a Republican? If he runs as an Independent he will steal more votes from the Democratic Party candidate because his politics are much more similar to theirs. However, in some ways he is even more of a radical leftwing Democrat than most. Thats where the circle between anti-Semitic PaleoConservative NeoNazis and anti-Semitic Socialists merge.

Ron Paul is propped up by PaleoConservatives, UFO-9/11 Truther conspiracy nutz and moonbats in general.

The fever dreams of hopeful Leftists are nothing but fodder for moonbattery.com posts.

Posted by: Freedom Now at January 29, 2008 6:35 AM

Oh, FN, you don't believe a word of what you are saying.

You are simply your basic Shabak provocateur who enjoys playing the good Shabbos goy on miltard blogs in a sad effort to convince fools that Israel (or any other Middle Eastern nation) is America's true ally, which is ridiculous.

The fact of the matter is that Dr. Paul is advocating an end to ALL aid to foreign, including Middle Eastern nations, including Israel's "enemies". Such a policy would have an end to the unspeakable humanitarian aid to the Pallies that many of you find so treacherous. In addition, the net effect of dispensing with Jewish welfare (the Israelis actually demanded the US pay them in euros last summer, when the dollar began to fall) would be that the Israelis would no longer be obligated to listen to the world's pleas for a two-state solution, and could forge ahead on their end game of complete and total Palestinian annihilation.

Which would seem to be in accordance with your wishes, no, FN?

You have many reasons to preserve the status quo, FN, but increasing numbers of Americans are waking up and tiring of paying protekzia and getting and losing their treasure in the process, and this does not bode well for your twisted agenda in the future.

Posted by: hashfanatic at January 29, 2008 8:41 AM

...and how exactly did you contradict my statement? My comment had nothing to do about whether or not U.S. aid to Israel is just or unjust. (For argument’s sake, I have nothing against renegotiating the Camp David Accords as long as the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty is not scrapped in a way that causes hostilities to break out between Israel and Egypt again.)

To Ron Paul’s credit he doesn’t seem to be as obsessed with the Jews as many of his supporters are. Israel only earned a very minor mention in my comment, but it set you off in a demented breakdown that was completely out of proportion.

Anyways, you only verified what I said. As you stated Ron Paul advocates an end to ALL foreign aid.

How many NeoCon votes is a policy like that going to steal?

How many votes has Ron Paul earned so far? Not quite as much as he "won" on Internet polls...

Its amusing that even though Fred Thompson dropped out of the race last week he still has more delegates than Ron Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Freedom Now at January 30, 2008 6:02 AM