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December 18, 2007

Ron Paul: Patriotism and Christianity Are Fascist

Add this to the miserable moments in moonbattery archives: Ron Paul is asked to comment on a Mike Huckabee ad in which a window frame in the background could be construed as resembling a cross. He responds by paraphrasing the moonbat author Sinclair Lewis, who said:

When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

This from a guy running as a Republican. Seeing is believing:

Now that we can see fascism approaching, we know that it's actually wrapped in the global warming hoax and carrying a compact fluorescent light bulb.

Hat tip: Free Republic, on a tip from Cheetah.

Posted by Van Helsing at December 18, 2007 8:58 PM


I love how you construed that wrapping ones self in the flag is patriotism. Isn't that how we got the Patriot Act? See had the word "Patriot" in it so the Bill must be good for Americans. That we must take peoples rights so they can feel safe.

That is the rhetoric of loving ones country by our politicians when in fact they are doing the exact opposite.

You need only look at:

Patriot Act

Military Commissions Act

Homeland Security Act

Law Of the Sea Treaty

Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007

Fascism is being propagated on both sides of the aisle. Whether you want to admit it or not is up to you.

Posted by: Texas Little El at December 18, 2007 9:58 PM

Paul said "It reminds me of a quote from Sinclair Lewis"... and "I don't know if that is a fair assessment"... He never said Huckabee is a fascist, but I'll go ahead and say that his policies are not conservative, they involve a bigger and more intrusive federal government, so yes, they are much closer to a fascist variety of government than that variety of explicitly limited government conservatives advocate.

Posted by: Ben Kuipers at December 18, 2007 11:50 PM

What a tempest in a teapot! When I first saw the picture in question on Drudge, my first thought was "What do I have to click on to see the 'floating cross'?" Finally I saw two intersecting lines in the background that provoked the hysteria!

First they project their delusion on him that he's showing a religious symbol, then, they denounce him for doing it! Un-freaking-believable!

It's like that joke about the guy taking the Rorschach inkblot test: The doctor shows him card after card which the guy sees as people engaged in sexual acts.
The doctor asks, "How long have you been obsessed with sex?"
"Me??? Doc, you're the one with all the dirty pictures! "

Posted by: Proof at December 19, 2007 4:56 AM

The word fascist is overused to the point of absurdity. Nazi Germany - that was fascist. To compare common sense measures like the Patriot Act to that is absurd beyond believe. Whose rights have been taken away? Usually the people crying the current government is fascist are either clueless as to what fascism really is or they are intentionally trying to bring down America by leaving it wide open to attack.

Posted by: Anonymous at December 19, 2007 5:55 AM

Tex, stay right where you are. We have traced your IP to your location and are dispatching a black helicopter to take you to a Detention Center. It will all go easier on you if you do not resist.

Posted by: The Bilderbergers at December 19, 2007 6:51 AM

Glenn Beck had Ron Paul on last night. When Glenn said some of Paul's supporters said Glenn was a traitor for not backing Paul and that traitors should be shot, Paul squirmed a little and went in to some long winded speech about peace and nonviolence - carefully avoiding directly saying that the supporters who say that are NUTS. Ron Paul is definitely on the train to Crazy Town. Im no fan of the cult of Mormonism but Id take Beck over a guy like Paul any day of the week. Paul would be scary except he has as much chance of becoming President as Richard M. Nixon does of serving a 2nd term.

Posted by: Anonymous at December 19, 2007 7:39 AM


Texas Little El, we will be landing on your roof at midnight to pick you up in a UN Black Helicopter. BE THERE. If we have to hunt you down you will be sorry as my copilot has a new pair of black kicking boots he is anxious to break in - plus hes in a pretty cranky mood these days after he was turned into a enuch by our CO - Al Gore. So, if you want your transition to prison life to be a smooth one. Be home tonight at midnight - packed an ready to go. 2 pieces of luggage maximum!

Thank You,
Your Friendly Black Helicopter Pilot (Im white, the helicopter is black in case anyone was wondering)

Posted by: Black Helicopter Pilot at December 19, 2007 7:43 AM

The word fascist may be misused or overused, but it's a valid word that describes a political system. It depends how you define that political system. After WWII it came to be used pretty much colloquially to mean "beastly regimes we just won a war against", which was convenient for the Left as it got them off the hook and they could pretend that fascism was a "right wing" thing.

Fascism as defined by Mussolini (who did after all invent the darned thing) is a collectivist regime in which the entire country is devoted to the State. Industry is privately owned but organised into government run cartels, who are told what to make, how much to make, what price to charge, what workforce to employ and so on. Fascism also tends to have a strong nationalist and militarist element but the worst things people associate with it; the Nazi holocaust; isn't definitively fascist, it's specifically Nazi (National SOCIALIST).

Back in the day, people would routinely call systems of government run industry "fascist" and Roosevelt was as such accused of fascism; and quite rightly too, because the New Deal was, by the standards of the 1930s, a fascist regime under which America still to a significant degree suffers. Big corporations, tightly regulated and in bed with the government.

So in fact, rather than being overused, the term isn't used enough.

Now whether you agree with Ron Paul or not, he's not a crazy man. He's a libertarian economically who wants to obliterate that fascist, collectivist regime and return America to constitutionality. Watching this clip, it's an appalling gaffe because he's being too clever for his own good. Scholarly men have a habit of doing this, another example being Enoch Powell's infamous use of a quote "the Tiber foaming with blood" whose provenance (the Greek Sybils) virtually nobody else understood and which thus gave a wilder impression than intended. Paul should have known better than that; it's a gift to his opponents. But as I said, to somebody with a libertarian (classical liberal) understanding of economics, the term fascist means a cartelised statist economy as America actually has (as does Europe).

I think he picked the quote off the top of his head as a general statement that people wrapping themselves in flags and crosses to grab patriotic or religious votes are in danger of demagoguery and it's clear Fatboy Slim Huckabee is doing his best to appear holier than thou regarding his opponents. Paul is a christian himself so he's hardly intending to call christians fascist is he? What he abhors is the immense federal state which he rightly, by a textbook if not colloquial definition, defines as fascist. He's a christian but he doesn't see the president's job as imposing that on anyone. He believes in freedom of faith. My guess is he thinks Huckabee would use the Whitehouse as a faith platform and like any good Constitutionalist Paul opposes that.

Watching the interview, the normally alert Paul looks a bit zoned from the word go. I wonder if he was just tired. I'd imagine afterwards his campaign manager took him out back and slapped him repeatedly with a wet fish.

Let's be fair here. Paul's foreign policy view is somewhat naive and, were I an American voter it would probably prevent me voting for him. But on issues of the economy and the Constitution he's bang on the money and is desperately keen to make America the free country it was. Compared to Huckabee waving his cross for all to see, or the scarily Putinesque Giulani, the man would be a treasure as President. If he just got somebody else to deal with Iraq haha.

What you really need is a time of peace to vote a Ron Paul in for a couple of terms to kill the federal state dead, then somebody else to go nuke Saudi Arabia and Iran ;)

Sadly, you never get what you need in politics.

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at December 19, 2007 7:59 AM

Come to that, they're welcome to nuke Brussels as well.

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at December 19, 2007 8:08 AM

Oh, and on the matter of the cross, nothing is accidental in marketing. The camera pans slowly across to create the effect. Whether or not that's an acceptable thing is another matter. It's meant to be seen as a cross.

Posted by: Ian from the EUSSR at December 19, 2007 8:16 AM

I guess putting the definition of fascism here is pointless, you won't recognize it unless it hits you over the head.

I also guess that if I put the links to each law I just quoted with the underlying parts that are in direct violation of the constitution, you won't read them, only a 'moonbat' would actually be for the rule of law and following the constitution.

All the black helicopter responses are just that, a lack of response. Typical of so many people now, attack the messenger, but never attack the message.

Simple put, I would bet all who responded the black helicopters are on the way, never bothered to actually look at each of the laws I listed and just don't want to believe that their government would actually to violate the Constitution.

Posted by: Texas Little El at December 19, 2007 8:23 AM

All right, that will be quite enough out of you, Tex. Your "room" is waiting for you. Hope you like rats.

Posted by: Director of the Secret Northwest Prison Camp for Dissidents from the Bush-Clinton-Stallone Regime at December 19, 2007 8:27 AM

California is fascist.
nuff said.

Posted by: furballz at December 19, 2007 10:01 AM