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harvard the school that doesnt allow the ROTC on campus but accepts money from the muslim brotherhood doesnt like 4th of july parades? i am truly shocked by that.

Wait....the 4th of July makes people feel patriotic, so therefore it is politically biased for people to see fireworks?

These researchers are parodies of Leftists, which is to say, Leftists.

How do you suppose they celebrate the 4th in SAN FRANSTINKHOLE? and as for HARVARD lets entirly cut off their money and thats 100% of it all

If Americans don't allow their children to experience the 4th of July and let their children experience American culture, then the symbols of our country will mean nothing to them, and they will not care when they are abolished by our new overlords. The American flag, the national anthem, these things should send a chill up your spine (In a good way) when you come to know them.

If the communists can convince people to keep their children out of American culture (4th of July type stuff) then America will be easier to snuff out from within.

Harvard scholarship has really upped its game!

Bwhahahahaha!

Today is the day baggers celebrate their jingoism Christianity and hate with wasteful celebrations and firearms.

10 years from now you will celebrate a new independence day. May Day will be the new national holiday once the US is reborn through socialism.

Happy Independence Day to all the patriots here at Moonbattery, the rest of you, go move to Cuba, Venezuela or some other communist hole in the ground, and truly enjoy your utopian life of misery.

Right... so we're the hateful ones, yet you come out swinging with your rhetoric about baggers and wasteful celebrations and jingoism.

Keep hating, hater. WE LOVE THE USA! AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!

I HEART THIS SO MUCH.

Truth hurts when you are a regressive.

With every post our resident idiot troll proves he knows NOTHING:

He said: "Today is the day baggers celebrate their jingoism Christianity and hate with wasteful celebrations and firearms."

"Jingoism" is defined as "extreme patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy".

There's nothing about the 4th of July that has anything to do with "aggressive foreign policy". It is a celebration of the fact we are self-made, NOT Socialist.

This moonbat moron goes on to say: "10 years from now you will celebrate a new independence day. May Day will be the new national holiday once the US is reborn through socialism."

Two things incorrect about this: May Day has nothing to do with our independence and so will not ever be celebrated as such. May Day is celebrated by idiots who believe in socialism, which does not cause "rebirth" but causes decay and death here as well as everywhere else. If you don't believe me, just visit any U.S. city (there are several) where socialism is trying to take root. Take Detroit, for instance:

http://detroityes.com/home.htm

The site shows how capitalism built this city to greatness and how socialism destroyed it.

Yes, Detroit was supposed to be a socialist success story. How they doing? The answer is simple. Socialism is destructive enough to destroy even a vibrant, successful American city as proven in Detroit. Socialism is malignant and evil, just like Günther - and the funny thing is he's proud of it, which only goes to prove what a moronic moonbat he really is!

Yes, "Jack Daniels" is correct - move out of your parents' basement, Günther, and go try surviving in some socialist backwater. I hear Cuba is worried about their future now that Chavez is dying of cancer. Why don't you go help them with their "struggle"?

WOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!!! Happy Birthday America!!!! Love your fireworks banner, YAAAAY!!!!! WOOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!

Detroit was looted by capitalists then left to decay when they stole the people's money and took away their jobs.

Your independence has caused capitalism and racism. 10 years from now you will be independent from that independence. The people will have risen up and thrown off the chains of oppression forming a new socialist nation. The old ways of doing things will be discarded.

I will stay in Europe and help with a unified socialist revolution. We need world socialism. Socialism in one country is not the right way.

Hey guys, I found Gunther

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbYtqAWDF2U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

Detroit was a shining example of the power of capitalism until socialism showed up and ruined it!

Socialist rot and ruin in Detroit, continued:

http://www.seedetroit.com/pictures/urbandecay/

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1882089_1850973,00.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703959104576081783880635012.html

But there still is hope - typically socialism moves in when there's lots of stuff ripe for the taking and then moves on once it wreaks havoc and destruction. Socialism has "done it's job" on Detroit and is beginning to move out and on, but capitalists haven't given up. So there's hope for the future of Detroit - stay tuned!

Posted by: Dookiestain LaFlair at July 4, 2011 9:43 AM

That guy reminds me of Wierd Al in the 80's....

Love it or leave it.

Do not feed the trolls.

Everybody have a safe and happy July 4th!

Detroit is not socialist. The people do not own the means of production.

If Detroit became socialist the people would rise up and reoccupy the factories the capitalists closed. They would take back the means of production and create jobs for themselves. They cannot do that because the legal system allows greedy capitalists to let factories sit idle for years while the people suffer with no jobs or social services.

Socialism will save Detroit. The people must come together and rebuild their city as a community. The capitalists have not taken care of the people.

Posted by: Dookiestain LaFlair at July 4, 2011 9:43 AM

Gunther needs to stop touching his "tra-la-la" and let the blood return to his brain.

Gunther, why would people want to work in a factory? They can get robots to do that stuff these days. See Gunther, all the -isms will be obsolete in a couple decades, when machines do all the work and people can move beyond capitalism, socialism, currency. In the words of Captain Jean-Luc Picard, we will invest in "ourselves".

"Detroit was looted by capitalists then left to decay when they stole the people's money and took away their jobs."

Detroit was doing fine under capitalism - it was the arrival of socialism that caused the decline and fall.

"Your independence has caused capitalism and racism."

Oh, right. So neither capitalism nor racism existed before July 4 1776. Sure. It's easy to spot the tools by their stupidity, eh? Take his next statement:

"10 years from now you will be independent from that independence."

Well gee, if we're "independent from independence" that would mean we're enslaved. Apparently as stupid as you are you still know that socialism = slavery. So I guess there's at least a little hope for you yet.

"I will stay in Europe and help with a unified socialist revolution."

Yeah, the news is full of how well socialism is working there as socialism fails and capitalism bails it out in Greece, Portugal and Ireland:

http://www.elliottwave.com/freeupdates/archives/2011/07/01/Riots-in-Greece-and-European-Bailouts---A-Powerful-Portrait.aspx

As socialism shows what a failure it is again, Europe begins to burn. Our troll, safe in his parents' basement, is unlikely to get caught up in things, though. He's all talk, no action!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/8607622/Athens-ablaze-as-Greece-austerity-riots-continue-into-the-night.html

Yes, this is the true face of socialism: Violence and destruction. In some cases, thanks to idiots like our troll, yes, it is able to overcome capitalism and bring ruin and despair when it raises it's ugly head.

I think it would be a splendid way to celebrate Independence day and honor our Founding by ignoring noisome trolls.

What do you know about my body?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll

No Dookiestain, a robotic future must be a socialist future. If the capitalists own the robots then they will fire everybody and let the working people starve. We must continue doing the work ourselves until socialism is solid and entrenched and we are on the way to communism. Mechanization plus communism will bring a utopia for human development and intellectual progress.

Bob, you are wrong. Detroit is capitalist now and the working class suffers. You baggers do not understand what socialism means. Socialism is the common ownership of the means of production. The working class of Detroit does not own the means of production. The capitalists own the means of production and they shut it down to take jobs from the people.

Europe's dangerous experiment with neoliberal capitalism is drawing to a close. When the capitalist EU can no longer afford to bail out bankers and let the rich hoard the wealth then people will rebuild it with socialism.

http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/detroits-socialist-nightmare-is-americas-future/

Not if we can help it!

True to form, socialsts refuse to accept that their Detroit experiment failed so obviously. They are unable to incorporate new information, unable to learn from their mistakes, unable to alter their idiotic, destructive mentalities.

It's sad, really, but not all that surprising.

How is Detroit socialist? The workers do not own the means of production. The oppressed persons living in the inner city do not own anything. They do not share in the profits and they do not receive robust social services.

Since you refuse to broaden your horizons with socialist literature I will point you to Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

"Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production are publicly or commonly owned and controlled co-operatively, or a political philosophy advocating such a system.[1][2] As a form of social organization, socialism is based on co-operative social relations and self-management; relatively equal power-relations and the reduction or elimination of hierarchy in the management of economic and political affairs.[3][4]"

How is Detroit socialist? I never said it was - I said socialism came in and destroyed what was, until socialists began experimenting there, what was a thriving capitalist metropolis:

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/detroit-and-the-death-throes-of-socialism_03252011

"No Dookiestain, a robotic future must be a socialist future."

That's funny because one of the reasons Detroit and the U.S. auto industry faltered and failed so spectacularly was the socialist U.A.W. prevented the introduction of robots into factories.

"We must continue doing the work ourselves until socialism is solid and entrenched and we are on the way to communism."

Communism failed in the USSR, which doesn't even exist any more. Communism failed in Red China, which is arguably more capitalist than Europe today and hence actually doing pretty good. I can think of two places where Communism is still in control: North Korea and Cuba. In Cuba they're worried since their outside source of support, Venezuela, may not be reliable in the near future. And we all know what a success North Korea is! Yes, the abject failure of socialism/communism is clearly visible in this shot:

http://www.paulnoll.com/Korea/History/Korean-night.html

"Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production are publicly or commonly owned and controlled co-operatively"

Oh, you mean like when people invest in (and own a piece of) a company through the stock market? I always thought that was capitalism!

As I've said, yes, ON PAPER socialism certainly appears to be the best way to go. But the problem is when trolls like ours decide that their part is to just make trouble while the rest of us work to support their nonsense. Now under our President Clinton, Congress took action to limit socialist giveaways (welfare, etc.) and it was working until it was reversed by Democrats.

Side note, I'm not surprised Günther is a wikipidiot. Note to all: Wikipedia is run by socialists and often twists things in favor of socialist/leftist/moonbat thinking. It's not recommended as an authoritative source but it is good for a laugh.

"The oppressed persons living in the inner city do not own anything."

Yes, because they've given themselves over to socialism and accepted government housing and government assistance in lieu of actually making something of themselves in accordance with the dictates of socialism, which teaches one that individuals have no worth. What a wonderful philosophy, eh?

"They do not share in the profits"

Actually yes, they do. They get paid pretty good wages, usually, well above what similar workers in other industries get paid for similar work.

But, thanks to the socialist unions, what profits? Obviously you haven't been paying attention again. Thanks to socialism we just had to bail out our auto industry and even after, thanks to socialism, they're still faltering.

"they do not receive robust social services"

Apparently you know nothing about the socialist union contracts that management was forced to sign either.

They have health plans which are way above the norm, for instance. And part of the Detroit socialist experiment was to funnel truckloads of money into public schools - yet by any measure education continued to decline there.

I know more than you about socialism as evicenced by the fact I'm aware what a failure it is whenever and wherever it's tried. I've already said, numerous times, yes, ON PAPER it appears to be superior but, as evidenced by it's utter and obvious failure everywhere and every time it has been implemented in the real world, it is not superior, it is a disaster!

Not so fast on Cuba...

Marxism is dying.

Capitalism can't be stopped.

Socialism was not tried in Detroit. Show me one large worker owned cooperative.

Communism has never been built in any socialist nation. You can't say it has failed because it has never been tried.

North Korea is a hereditary state capitalist dictatorship. It is not socialist or communist.

"Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production are publicly or commonly owned and controlled co-operatively"

Oh, you mean like when people invest in (and own a piece of) a company through the stock market? I always thought that was capitalism!

As I've said, yes, ON PAPER socialism certainly appears to be the best way to go. But the problem is when trolls like ours decide that their part is to just make trouble while the rest of us are expected to work to support their nonsense. Now under our President Clinton, Congress took action to limit socialist giveaways (welfare, etc.) and it was working until it was reversed by Democrats.

Side note, I'm not surprised Günther is a wikipidiot. Note to all: Wikipedia is run by socialists and often twists things in favor of socialist/leftist/moonbat thinking. It's not recommended as an authoritative source but it is good for a laugh.

"The oppressed persons living in the inner city do not own anything."

Yes, because they've given themselves over to socialism and accepted government housing and government assistance in lieu of actually making something of themselves in accordance with the dictates of socialism, which teaches one that individuals have no worth. What a wonderful philosophy, eh? Oppression = deciding that everyone else owes you what they have and that you don't have to work for anything. No doubt Günther's sole means of support is someone other than himself.

"They do not share in the profits"

Actually yes, they do. They get paid pretty good wages, usually, well above what similar workers in other industries get paid for similar work.

But, thanks to the socialist unions, what profits? Obviously you haven't been paying attention again. Thanks to socialism we just had to bail out our auto industry and even after, thanks to socialism, they're still faltering.

"they do not receive robust social services"

Apparently you know nothing about the socialist union contracts that management was forced to sign either.

They have health plans which are way above the norm, for instance. And part of the Detroit socialist experiment was to funnel truckloads of money into public schools - yet by any measure education continued to decline there.

I know more than you about socialism as evidenced by the fact I'm aware what a failure it is whenever and wherever it's tried. I've already said, numerous times, yes, ON PAPER it appears to be superior but, as evidenced by it's utter and obvious failure everywhere and every time it has been implemented in the real world, it is not superior, it is a disaster!

From your posts it is obvious you are quite immature and foolish. One would hope with time and experience you will wise up. Somehow, though, I doubt it.

You still have not described a system in which the workers own and control the means of production. That has not happened in Detroit.

The enemies of socialism are capitalists, saboteurs and counter revolutionaries. Any system which is sabotaged by enemies cannot be expected to survive. Socialism must have class consciousness to thrive.

You keep mentioning people who are chronically unemployed by choice. That is not allowed in socialist countries. The USSR constitution created a duty for citizens to work. Those who could not work were given help and compassion. Those who refused to work were charged for stealing the people's resources.

See responsibility is important. The capitalist earns income from not working by owning the means of production. That is outlawed in socialism. People who similarly refuse to work even though they can are also enemies of workers. But that does not mean socialism punishes those without jobs. It does not. Socialism only requires that people be willing to work. If they are willing and cannot find a job then they are helped by their fellow workers.

When everybody is given an opportunity to share the benefits of socialism it works. But they have to be responsible socialist citizens. Part of socialist citizenship is contributing from each according to his ability. If people are doing nothing they could go fix a road or build a park for the people. They are not punished because capitalists did not give them enough jobs. Socialism makes jobs to help everybody who participates.

Well it's obvious that what I've said is true, as clearly demonstrated here time and time again by Günther's continued ignorance and foolish ranting:

You can lead a fool to knowlege, but you can't make him think!

Anyway, I've already spent more time here than I planned so that's it - I'm going to celebrate our independence, celebrate capitalism's success, for the rest of the day and might look in here again later tonight or tomorrow, or I may not.

Ignoring trolls is fine, as long as they eventually go away. This one is persistent and so taking a poke at him for amusement and to show just how bankrupt his thoughts and ideas are is fun, now and then. It's good to know the twisted, false logic of the enemy among us or, in his case, assuming he's not lying about being in Europe (very well likely he is lying), bothering us from abroad.

Well it's obvious that what I've said is true, as clearly demonstrated here time and time again by Günther's continued ignorance and foolish ranting:

You can lead a fool to knowlege, but you can't make him think!

Anyway, I've already spent more time here than I planned so that's it - I'm going to celebrate our independence, celebrate capitalism's success, for the rest of the day and might look in here again later tonight or tomorrow, or I may not.

Ignoring trolls is fine, as long as they eventually go away. This one is persistent and so taking a poke at him for amusement and to show just how bankrupt his thoughts and ideas are is fun, now and then. It's good to know the twisted, false logic of the enemy among us or, in his case, assuming he's not lying about being in Europe (very well likely he is lying), bothering us from abroad.

I'm able to work. I will work on growing my own food. I don't want to participate with the others.

What if I don't?

The people will have risen up and thrown off the chains of oppression forming a new socialist nation

So basically, not only will you be OK with committing genocide against conservatives, but you're actually looking forward to it?

I've got news for you, Gunther -- BRING IT ON. If you come to my state ready to do battle with me & mine, you're gonna find out in a hurry why you're so terrified of private gun ownership, my friend.

That makes you a Kulak, Henry. We know what the Marxists think of the Kulaks.

so comrade gunther....

if we're all baggers, does that make you a baggee?

Trying to teach MoonBats why capitalism is better than socialism is like trying to teach a pig to sing: It just wastes your time, and annoys the pig.

Do not feed the trolls.

If you do, they'll follow you home - and they're not easy to paper-train.

Happy Independence Day, fellow Patriots!

For that matter, Happy Independence Day, trolls......maybe someday you will see the proverbial light and appreciate America for the unique and magnificent gift that it is.

Remember HARVARD was MR HOWELLS alma matter now its been taken over by those promative yale men

HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMERICA!!!!
USA ROCKS!!!

"Independence Day is not about blind nationalism, it is not about statism, it is not about collectivist subservience to a pervasive bureaucracy; it is about the rebirth of the individual in the face of overwhelming despotism, and the creation of a country whose fundamental focus was the nurturance of such individualism above the desires of government"

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-reflections-4th-july

Happy Independence Day, one and all!

"Today is the day baggers celebrate their jingoism Christianity and hate with wasteful celebrations and firearms.

10 years from now you will celebrate a new independence day. May Day will be the new national holiday once the US is reborn through socialism."
1. Today is the day patriotic Americans such as myself celebrate the birth of our country.
2. Know what I've found is an easy way to tell if I'm debating with a miserable, anti- American scumbag? If he refers to love of one's country as "Jingoism."
3. We celebrate with food, fireworks, parades and get- togethers with loved ones. In contrast, freaks like you celebrate May Day with vandalism, violence, looting, rioting (That's all pretty wasteful, isn't it? You leave garbage and destruction everywhere at your May Day riots), and spreading your own psychotic hatred. I don't think it's a coincidence that Independence Day is celebrated by millions of Americans, and only a small handful of brain- dead Commies and Anarchists like you celebrate May Day.
4. Even as screwed up as our country can be at times nowadays, there are enough patriotic Americans eager to protect their own freedom and rights to ensure that the Communist nightmare you would seek to inflict on us will never happen.
""Your independence has caused capitalism and racism. 10 years from now you will be independent from that independence."
Once again, praise be to God that you are not in any position of power, you have demonstrated time and time again that you would have all the makings of a genocidal despot along the lines of Hitler, Stalin, or Mao, eager to set up a "For your own good" fascist dictatorship.
Again, happy Independence Day to all the patriots here. I'll celebrate tonight with a steak dinner with my family, maybe a few fireworks, and the contented knowledge that miserable Eurotrash scum like Goonturd can do nothing but stew and fume over the freedom and happiness that we have.

Conservative or Liberal, Capitalist or Communist, let us all come together on the 4th Of July and agree on one thing - Detroit is a shithole.

"I will stay in Europe and help with a unified socialist revolution. We need world socialism. Socialism in one country is not the right way."
Stay in Europe. You might live longer, if the muslim head choppers don't kill you.

I think Guenther is just annoyed that the Allies (who were all capitalists, at the time)kicked Hitler's butt, thus denying Guenther the opportunity to become an apparatchik in the 'Thousand Year Reich'.

HAPPY 4th OF JULY EVERYONE!!! GOD BLESS THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!! AND GOD PLEASE CURSE ALL THOSE WHO SEEK TO DESTROY HER!!! LONG LIVE THE U.S.A.!!! HAPPY 235th INDEPENDENCE DAY!!!

This study sounds like total and utter bullshit to me. I celebrated on the 4th of July for my entire childhood. It wasn't until I was WELL into my adult life before I truly became aware of what it means to be a citizen of this nation. I am sad to say that is so, but it is.

"hey Goonturd Happy 4th of July, maybe in 10months not 10 years, we"ll get to use our :GUNS: to purge this Country of Shyteheads Like You!

No larry, I am a Marxist and not a Nazi. The regular posters on this site are the Nazis.

We still resent your imperialist Ronnie Raygun for destroying the DDR and reintroducing foreign capitalists to liberated Europe.

happy 4th from Australia.
It's also my kid brother's birthday. something he likes, as he claims all the celebrations are for him.
ignore the misanthropic Grunter the Loser.
God bless the USA.

"We still resent your imperialist Ronnie Raygun for destroying the DDR and reintroducing foreign capitalists to liberated Europe."

What ?? We ?? You got a mouse in your pocket son?

"No larry, I am a Marxist and not a Nazi."
Different sides of the same shitty coin.

"The regular posters on this site are the Nazis."
Oh holy shit, could you please get a new talking point? That's ones as about wore out as the "race card". And if by "nazi" you mean someone that loves freedom, will not bow to any man, or ideology, then yes, I am a "nazi".

Happy Fourth Everyone!

An' for the record...I have good reason to believe that GoonTurd isn't from Europe. Call it a hunch, but were I a betting individual, I'd say he's just some lonely neckbeard living in his folks' home here in the Good Ole U.S. of A.

You guys are far too nice to the little cretin, LOL.

He's just a sorry and bitter little lepton whose greatest joy in life is arguing here--he gets the attention he never got from his folks and others.

Chances are, he doesn't even believe what he claims he believes; he spouts crap from old propaganda, and he doesn't write in the structure and syntax of a person raised across the Pond...it's too Western, the way he writes...also, the varied and irregular breaks in his "written speech" are too stilted, rather than indicating a Foreign birth, they indicate indecision and inconsistency.

Ultimately, the best way to kill a troll is to stop feeding it...

Again, Happy Independence Day!

No larry, I am a Marxist and not a Nazi. The regular posters on this site are the Nazis.

Marxists and Fascists/Nazis are all Collectivists. We are anti-Collectivists, you moron.

We still resent your imperialist Ronnie Raygun for destroying the DDR...

Oh, Günther so wanted to be a Stasi officer... what a heartbreak.

...and reintroducing foreign capitalists to liberated Europe.

The now-liberated former Soviet slaves in the old "Warsaw Pact" may wish to differ.

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