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The reason we have unions is so people don't have to work six day weeks for months on end and years of a graveyard shift. It sounds like they would be a lot better off with a union.

I didn't bother to read past the headline but it's an absolute given that "Workers Have It Better at Nonunionized(sic) Subaru" because of unionization.

I hate communists.

As a WI resisdent I am wondering if the Subaru outbacks that I see on the beltline, if the RECALL WALKER bumbers stickers are still being offered as a option on the 2012 models? I do Know that the COEXIST stickers are being offerd on the 2012 models.

"It sounds like they would be a lot better off with a union.

Posted by: Dookiestain LaFlair at June 16, 2011 10:30 AM"

Evidently those who work there don't think so, "The United Auto Workers has failed three times to organize the plant's workers."

"The United Auto Workers has failed three times to organize the plant's workers."
Only because the secret ballot was fixed by Suburu management! With card check Suburu couldn't rig the secret ballot in their favor.

Is that the real andy? If it is, dude, you're a joke. Whatever gains the union movement made in the past (and it's arguable that they made any that weren't already coming down the pipeline, but we'll let that slide for now), the fact is, unions now are the single largest problem workers have today, as evidenced by the simple fact that plants dominated by unions are less efficient, less productive and more likely to be closed than plants that are non-union.

I didn't bother to read past the headline but it's an absolute given that "Workers Have It Better at Nonunionized(sic) Subaru" because of unionization. because I say so. It's leftist dogma, and therefore requires neither evidence nor supporting logic.

Posted by: TeRard at June 16, 2011 10:44 AM

So the ONLY reason the union is consistently rejected in this plant is because management is cheating? That could be the most lame and impotent excuse I have ever heard.

If the people don't like the way Subaru is treating it's workers, they can go work somewhere else. With 10 applications per position, their job won't be empty long.

The reason we have unions is so people don't have to work six day weeks for months on end and years of a graveyard shift. It sounds like they would be a lot better off with a union.

Wrong. The workers choose to work six day weeks because, according to the article, their jobs allow for "abundant overtime ($15,000 each, on average, in 2010)."

Your work ethic might have disintegrated amid a haze of bong smoke and late night discussions with your hipster Marxist friends, but other people have no problem putting in the hours to build a better life for themselves and their families.

Believe it or not, but some people like living with purpose and creating things, even if your circle would prefer to wallow in postmodern deconstruction.

Comrade Chairman has presided over the loss of tens of millions of jobs and hour shrinkages on tens of millions of others.

The Subaru workers are making the most of the opportunity available to them.

It is funny that the lib car of choice is a non-union made car.

With card check Suburu couldn't rig the secret ballot in their favor.

Right.

With card check, inherently violent union goons can threaten workers who don't vote the "right" way.

They would be better off with a union. They would get paid more and have to work less.

The reason we have unions is so people don't have to work six day weeks for months on end and years of a graveyard shift. It sounds like they would be a lot better off with a union.

Posted by: Dookiestain LaFlair at June 16, 2011 10:30 AM

People living in reality understand that you start at the bottom and work your way up. If that means graveyard shift, so be it. Their union counterparts aren't working the graveyard shift, since they're NOT working at all.

I worked for a non-union company for 30 years. During recessions, the company would buy unionized struggling competitors, toss out the union and restucture the companies. They started out as a little tool and die company and in 40 years have become a mega global corporation, taking their empoyees along for the ride. Everybody wins.

They would be better off with a union. They would get paid more and have to work less.

Posted by: Dookiestain LaFlair at June 16, 2011 11:45 AM

Which is the exact reason unionized companies are struggling. The unions got too greedy and starting getting paid a lot more for working a lot less.

They would be better off with a union. They would get paid more and have to work less.

You are half right: they would work less.

That work would consist of going down to the unemployment office every week to collect government cheese for the job they no longer have.

Posted by: Dookiestain LaFlair at June 16, 2011 11:45 AM

You just keep repeating that to yourself, Dookie. It won;t make it any more true, but it will keep your tiny little mind busy while the adult have a conversation.

A couple of observations.

First, liberals want card check which is, what, a way of verifying that each vote counted is made by a valid voter? Right? But they won't allow the requirement of valid identification for voters in elections.

Secondly, I would like to see the evidence for management rigging the elections. Isn't that what the NLRB is for - to investigate such allegations? I'm sure they would be all over it if there was anything to these allegations.

The current process for organizing a workplace denies too many workers the ability to do so. The Employee Free Choice Act offers to make binding an alternative process under which a majority of employees can sign up to join a union. Currently, employers can choose to accept — but are not bound by law to accept — the signed decision of a majority of workers. So Subaru just keeps ignoring all the workers who want a union and force them to work long hours or get fired.

Unions of today consists mostly of hoods,thugs, and brownshirts and with a demacRAT in the whitehouse they can expand their power just like the bolsiveks did

Posted by: TeRard at June 16, 2011 11:53 AM

You have been asked to provide evidence of your accusations ReTard. Do it now.

The current process for organizing a workplace denies too many workers the ability to do so. The Employee Free Choice Act offers to make binding an alternative process under which a majority of employees can sign up to join a union. Currently, employers can choose to accept — but are not bound by law to accept — the signed decision of a majority of workers. So Subaru just keeps ignoring all the workers who want a union and force them to work long hours or get fired.

You mean like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6yrZtq27e0

So Subaru just keeps ignoring all the workers who want a union

And instead implement the will of the majority of workers who have voted three times and said they don't want a union.

Dirty capitalist pigs.

Freedom Of Association.
If the 'workers' (Socialist-ese for 'employees') want to be elsewhere, they are always free to do so. If there are wage/labor abuses present, there are plenty of channels in place to address those issues.

Why can't the UAW simply let them alone to live their lives as they see fit as a free people? Control, Money, and thereby Power.

Lezbaru, I mean Subaru, makes great cars. Run forever. No planned obsolescence.

The other bonus they've gotten ever year is getting the keep their jobs.

How about this concept...
Precisely how much of the equipment, facilities, land, infrastructure of the Subaru plant is owned by the Unions, 0%. If the Union wants to unionize the plant so badly, buy the freaking stock and the Unionize the hell out of it.
That is why the company is free to accept or reject the demands of the pro-union workers. They own the place.
Business Management 101 basic tenant: The primary priority for any business is to maximize stakeholder profit. If unionizing would increase profits, Subaru would already be union. If dancing naked on the Eiffel tower while wearing a funny hat would maximize profit, they would likely do that as well. When the company does better, the workers do better, and the money rolls along the river into the community.

I have the experience of working the exact same job non-union and then union.

Go ahead, Andy, ask me...

OK, I'll tell you. My co-workers are lazier; they look for places to hide and avoid work. No one can be fired. A guy rammed a truck into the side of an airplane. He's still there. My hard work cannot be recognized; all that matters for pay raises is seniority.

When the union took over, my paycheck was cut in half. Half, Andy. Half.

You're an idiot.

"A guy rammed a truck into the side of an airplane.
He's still there. "

Of course. It is obvious that the aircraft intentionally jumped in front of the truck, so why blame the truck driver?

Ya know Andy I been union and non-union also. I was a sheet metal worker. The union people were lazier, more corrupt, drunks, and that was the leadership. Two supervisors I worked for are now doing time, one a life sentence for murder. Considering it was a local with less than 125 members at the time (I think its about half that now) 2 doing deep time and over 50% of the rest being drunks are not a good percentage. At the time I was in there were 8 companies that were union shops in the area, that number is now down to 3. The overall number of HVAC shops (union + nonunion) in town has remained fairly steady (about 30) over the years, do the math.

I'm a solid conservative and I really like my Subaru. AWD kinda kills the mileage though...

"TeRard at June 16, 2011 11:53 AM"

Florida has the Employee Free Choice Act. The employees overwhelingly voted NO UNIONS!

Stupid thieves of liberty (silly liberals) don't like ANYONE having personal choices - it makes us too hard to control. Liberals are all about controlling every single aspect of our lives - from the work place, to what's in the refrigerator, to the bedroom.

Liberals suck.

The only incentive I have to put bumper stickers on my Subaru is to attempt to combat the perception of Subarus being the car for tree-hugging liberals.

Dookiestain you are too young to understand. Period. We all used to be as well. It is worthless for us to try and explain why.

If you put conservative bumper stickers on your Subaru Nancy, some tree hugging lib will probably key your door. They're that tolerant of other opinions.

I worked for a AFSCME unionized "nursing home". The state that ran that home decided to close it. At a union meeting, the question was asked "Why doesn't AFSCME buy the home and run it?" The union rep said, "We're not in the "nursing home" business." What business did they think they were in? One hint: it's sucking money out of your wallet that you earned to fund their lavish lifestyle.

Wow, Subaru is anti-communist. I never woulda guessed.

Definitely a strong selling point for this consumer.

Just how would management rig a secret ballot? Jedi mind tricks? In the case of the card check, you would see quite a bit of 'aggressive negotiations' on behalf of the Unions.

The only incentive I have to put bumper stickers on my Subaru is to attempt to combat the perception of Subarus being the car for tree-hugging liberals.

Posted by: Nancy at June 16, 2011 2:12 PM

Makes it easier to stand out from all those Conservative Volvo owners, eh?

I'll do you one better: I'm seriously considering switching to a Prius and adding in PHEV and CNG retrofits. That car would be a treehugger's wet dream, but as a foreign-oil-hating conservative with a grim inflation outlook, I can really get into that.

American natural gas and electricity from my roof beats the hell out of enabling militant Islam through petrodollar exports. The Saudis are not our friends.

Do we need to update the "Bin Laden hates this car" bumper stickers?

No one in america should be forced to join and pay dues to some union of any kind

RE: Posted by: Drury at June 16, 2011 6:34 PM

"Conservative Volvo owners.....?"