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That's how Liberals have always operated. Lie as much as you can, then go to full spin and ignore the failures. In twenty years if this monster of an administration passes its bills, history will judge these criminals harshly.

when speaking truth to a lie is considered wrong or unfashionable, the lie wins. the truth still remains the truth, but the lie wins the battle for our mind and souls.

"War is deceit" Hadith 4:269

in this war, we should applaud, celebrate and elevate those warriors among us who speak truth to lies and liars.

"You lie!" Rep Joe Wilson

This trajectory is completely predictable when one considers the nature of sin. Deny one truth and soon you find yourself denying truths you once held sacred. I watched a movie about an ex-abortionist who told how difficult it was to do his first abortion, but how with each abortion he became more and more numb to it even as he began to kill older and older babies. That's how sin turns you into a monster, folks, by anesthetizing your conscience!

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Posterity

Main Entry: pos•ter•i•ty
Pronunciation: \pä-ˈster-ə-tē\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English posterite, from Anglo-French pusterité, from Latin posteritat-, posteritas, from posterus coming after
Date: 14th century
1 : the offspring of one progenitor to the furthest generation
2 : all future generations

In other words, abortions are MURDER. Abortions do in fact MURDER our POSTERITY. Our POSTERITY happens to be PROTECTED by the United States Constitution as directly stated in the PREAMBLE!

So then are women who hire the services of abortionists murderers?

So then are women who hire the services of abortionists murderers?

Posted by: Burt at December 4, 2009 1:06 PM

Is that a question?

MURDER

Main Entry: 1mur·der
Pronunciation: \ˈmər-dər\
Function: noun
Etymology: partly from Middle English murther, from Old English morthor; partly from Middle English murdre, from Anglo-French, of Germanic origin; akin to Old English morthor; akin to Old High German mord murder, Latin mort-, mors death, mori to die, mortuus dead, Greek brotos mortal
Date: before 12th century
1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
2 a : something very difficult or dangerous b : something outrageous or blameworthy

Our POSTERITY has RIGHTS and so then you know ABORTION violates them all.

Sentences that end with "?" are questions. Answer the question.

So then are women who hire the services of abortionists murderers?

If they do so for their own convienence yes.

Let me translate for burt.
"I didn't understand AlphaOmega's post so I'm going to ask the same question in hopes of an answer that I can understand".

BURT,
Since you Liberals call abortion "a choice", don't you think that it would have been a BETTER "choice" to use a "rubber" or "the pill" INSTEAD of using abortion as a method of "birth control"? Or maybe not have sex at all, avoiding pregnancy all together?

Or are you so STUPID as to think that TAKING RESPONSIBILITY is for wimps?

A Quote from one of Ghost of Wellstone & Burt's Heroes

"Nobody wants to perform abortions after ten weeks because by then you see the features of the baby, hands, feet. It's really barbaric. Abortions are very draining, exhausting, and heartrending. There are a lot of tears. Sometimes patients turn on you. They say, "Let's get out of here," after the abortion, as if you're some dirty person. It's vicious. Then you get these teenyboppers in the office who laugh their way through it. It doesn't mean a thing to them. That bothers me...I do them because I take the attitude that women are going to terminate babies and deserve the same kind of treatment as women who carry babies...I've done a couple thousand, and it turned into a significant financial boon, but I also feel I've provided an important service. The only way I can do an abortion is to consider only the woman as my patient and block out the baby..." (11)

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Even some abortion doctors know that they're murdering children.

Metalgarth has the stones to actually offer a qualified answer to the question the rest of you have avoided.

Don't cloud things with word origins,"translations" or responsibility. If you want to make proclamations about "legality" then address a very core issue and a very simple question.

The National Abortion Federation holds conventions in part to help abortionists deal with the emotional trauma from their work. (21)

The American Medical News reported:

"The notion that the nurses, doctors, counselors and others who work in the abortion field have qualms about the work they do is a well-kept secret." (22)

Emotional trauma in abortionists or in women who chose abortion does not surprize me at all. It may be a "choice" but it's not an easy choice.

So what is it that the lunatic fringe wants us to do with these extra embryos/zygoes?

Full state funerals?

Maybe force docs to bring all to full term (how many of you ready to be surrogate mothers 30 or 40 dozen times... then pay for the care and upbringing of them all?)

What a dumb argument. All the religious zellies forget that we don't all think humanity are unique and individual snowflakes. And those tiny clusters of cells, even more so. What the flying hell do you propose to do with them if not get some benefit for mankind out of them?

Oh right... lets all pretend that jesus has the answer. Of course. Shoulda known.

I clearly responded...

ABORTION = MURDER

I even supplied the definitions...

Deal with it!

Remember these are the same bunch who have SAVE THE REDWOODS bumper stickers on their cars and light candles everytime a convicted murderer is exicuted

You believe women who hire abortionists are murderers, as are the abortionists themselves. What chance do you realistically think you have of changing the law of the land to reflect that judgement and convict those women and abortionists of murder?

My assessment? No chance whatsoever.

"So what is it that the lunatic fringe wants us to do with these extra embryos/zygoes?

Full state funerals?"

The fact is they should never have been created in the first place. Fertilizing eggs in a petri dish and stockpiling extra embryos is an abomination. But since we can't undo what we've already done, there should be offered for adoption to infertile women who cannot conceive. We should try to give those human lives a chance and not treat them like manufacturing by-products.

The absolute only circumstance by which I would say that abortion didn't equal murder, would be if it was the only way to save the mother's life.

But I seriously doubt that this is the case in 99.999999999999% of all abortions

It took a long time for society to get to the point where it was acceptable for a woman to murder her baby for convenience, and for human embryos to be regarded as a commercial commodity, it will take a lot of time to walk society back.

But let me ask this of the pro-abortion side. Given that:

1. Your side believes that it is okay to harvest fetal tissue for the benefit of adult humans.

2. Your side believes... fights for, in fact ... the "right" to have an abortion at any stage in pregnancy.

3. Your side (despite professing reservations to the procedure) supports partial birth abortion, in which a viable pre-born baby's brains are sucked and its skull crushed to permit extraction.

4. Your side believes persons in a persistent vegetative state can be put to death because they lack "quality of life."

Given your support or tolerance for all of the above, do you have any moral problems with cloning human embryos, implanting them in surrogate mothers, inducing brain damage at some stage of gestation, and using the post-born humans as organ banks, letting their organs be harvested for adult humans.

If not, how can you oppose it, having supported each of the individual steps leading to it?

Inportant fact that religious zellies overlook:

There are waaay too many people on earth already. Anything that culls any number at all from the surplus population is a good thing.

Don't like it? Figure out where to put them all. You volunteering your houses?

There aren't enough useful jobs for the people we already have, let alone forcing more people who are NOT wanted here by their own parents (let alone the rest of us) - sometimes abortion is exactly what the doctor ordered, as it were.

Get away from the 'we are all special' mantra, and you suddenly see people for what they are - an overpopulated mess of conflicting insanity headded for doom anyway.

Cheerful, huh? But certainly valid.....

Liberals lied about the Hart-Celler Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which abolished the national quota system in favor of lotteries and family reunification. Hart, Celler, Ted Kennedy, and Hubert Humphery claimed that it would not alter the ethnic and racial makeup of this country. It has.

Many of these same liberals lied about the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (Reagan signed that one, by the way) - they said it would once and for all end illegal immigration to this country by granting amnesty to the 3 million illegal aliens here at the time. There are now anywhere from 12 - 20 million illegal aliens (no one knows for certain).

Liberals told us that Affirmative Action would not lead to hiring quotas. It did.

Twenty years ago, homosexual activists themsleves laughed at the very idea that the gay rights movement would lead to gay marriage. Now, redifining marriage is their primary aim. Now they claim that redefining marriage to include gay marriage will not lead to legalization of polygamy. This is a transparent lie - hollywood is already trying to normalize polygamy, with shows like "Big Love", just like they started normalizing homosexuality with movies and TV shows thirty years ago.

Left-wing politics is built upon lying.

We may or may not be able to change the LAW, but it is still incumbent upon us to state our objections and make them heard, not simply shut up about it because the law is not on our side. Myself, I would most likely be described as atheist, maybe better a nonbeliever, and contitutional libertarian. I come to a pro-life position on the basis of the individual's right to life. I accept the person as an individual at conception, when it has unique DNA etc. Killing it is murder. Don't conceive it in the first place.

When does life begin? When is it ok to murder it? The fetus may be fully dependent on its mother prior to birth. Is that somehow a crime? Hell, if you carry it to term and have a live birth, it's no less totally dependent on its mother, but that dependence can be shifted to someone else at this point. Birth is just a milestone, BUT, birth prior to full term does NOT mean DEATH. In fact, the threshold for survival keeps getting earlier and earlier prior to full term. There are now babies aborted at ages past the earliest viability. That disturbs me.

Is the mother a murderer if she has an abortionist do the dirty work? Well, if a wife calls in a hitman on her husband, she's certainly guilty of conspiracy to commit murder, probably a couple of other things. You don't do that, yanno? It's a CRIME. Even though someone else pulled the trigger, the one that contracted the act is a criminal too. A mother that calls in a hitman on her fetus is in the same position, as far as I'm concerned. Make it a matter of definitions if it makes you comfortable, but recognize what you're doing.

Posted by: Burt at December 4, 2009 3:18 PM

I think it's a lot more likely that the doctors could be tried for murder, because people do understand that many women who have abortions are having them because they don't think they have a choice. Ironic, isn't it?

There are waaay too many people on earth already. Anything that culls any number at all from the surplus population is a good thing.

1. How much of humanity do you want to exterminate?

2. How will you decide which part of humanity to exterminate?

3. What means to carry out this genocide do you advocate?

Having said that, is refreshing that a leftist openly admits favoring genocide. I suspect Burt, Lao, and the rest of the bitter circus hate humanity as much as you do, but feel obligated to couch it so as not to appear hatefully, genocidally insane.

Posted by: Szot at December 4, 2009 4:03 PM,

Fair enough, now about immigration. If the earth is so over crowded and we're to not build housing on sacred federally protected national forests as you moonbats demand, then are YOU going to volunteer YOUR house or is that something for everyone and anyone but you to do?

All the religious zellies forget that we don't all think humanity are unique and individual snowflakes.
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Oh, you think human beings are identical? That's stupid. And your friend Burt calls fetuses clusters of cells. So, Burt, what do you think the cluster of cells will grow into? A basketball, kittens, or a human being?
_____________________________
Is abortion murder? Yes. The intentional killing of a human being.
_____________________________
Women are having abortions because they don't think they have a choice? Stupid argument. Women have the following choices:
1. Use contraception.
2. Honor a moral code and don't have sex outside of marriage.
3. Have the baby and put it up for adoption.

They have abortions for convenience. That is a huge moral wrong. And you are morally wrong for approving it.

There is no lie, allow me to repeat:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Posterity

Main Entry: pos•ter•i•ty
Pronunciation: \pä-ˈster-ə-tē\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English posterite, from Anglo-French pusterité, from Latin posteritat-, posteritas, from posterus coming after
Date: 14th century
1 : the offspring of one progenitor to the furthest generation
2 : all future generations

In other words, abortions are MURDER. Abortions do in fact MURDER our POSTERITY. Our POSTERITY happens to be PROTECTED by the United States Constitution as directly stated in the PREAMBLE!

So, another Anonymous commenter. Who may be one of our regular trolls. Or might be someone else. It doesn't matter... all liberals are identical.

Inportant fact that religious zellies overlook:

This must be a new definition of the word "fact" I wasn't previously aware of.

There are waaay too many people on earth already.

Hmm. And what, exactly, is the correct amount of people on earth?

Anything that culls any number at all from the surplus population is a good thing.

If that is truly the way you feel, then eat a Glock. Oh, you mean that there are too many other people, not including yourself?

Don't like it? Figure out where to put them all. You volunteering your houses?

I was going to volunteer your house. You won't be using it, after all, since you're going to do your duty to the earth and kill yourself. Kindly do so outside so the new tenants won't have to repaint.

There aren't enough useful jobs for the people we already have,

Ah, so the solution to unemployment is to... "trim" the population down until there are "useful" jobs for everyone. Got it.

Still, your ideas would lead to greater employment, I have to admit. We'll need grave diggers to bury the piles of corpses you rack up. I'd suggest burning them in crematoriums, but think of all the carbon offsets we'd have to buy! Much too expensive.

let alone forcing more people who are NOT wanted here by their own parents (let alone the rest of us) - sometimes abortion is exactly what the doctor ordered, as it were.

Which doctor? Mengele? I love the casual way you dismiss people's lives. My guess, though, is that if someone confronted you with a gun you'd beg for your worthless life.

Get away from the 'we are all special' mantra, and you suddenly see people for what they are - an overpopulated mess of conflicting insanity headded for doom anyway.

But YOU, of course, are special. You deserve to live when everyone else doesn't. Funny how that always works among you fascists.

If you don't agree, then do us all a favor and die. You won't be missed.

Cheerful, huh? But certainly valid.....

It's "valid" as all the other shallow, bong-water philosophy we've come to expect from the left.

"Curiously, those environmentalists calling for a dramatically smaller population never seem to lead by example, and always manage to give the impression that no matter how small the ark is they’re a shoo-in for a first-class stateroom."
-Mark Steyn

Posted by: Szot/Meh/Beer Baron at December 4, 2009 4:03 PM

Ah, I was right. Just our typical troll.

I've been busy on other things and lots of posts have come through. I will start here.

Gregory of Yardale offers a list of "your side believes". For starters, "some" on my side believe, there is no universal agreement. "Pro-choice" is not agreed to by everyone on the left let alone the other points he raised.

His final question was regarding cloning human embryos to harvest organs. Do I have a moral problem with that? Yes I do.

Stem cell research seems to be developing to the point that somewhere down the line individual organs may be able to be "grown". Will that be a moral issue? It depends on how that technology develops.

In another post Gregory presumes that I, and others, "hate humanity". I'm sure that fits in with your world view of hating anyone left of center right but I'm sorry to say, you are delusional. I have no interest in "exterminating" particular populations and I do not advocate "genocide" despite your bizarre belief to the contrary.

Has this about to be aborted fetus who is our POSTERITY been convicted of a Capital Crime like MURDER? At what point was this fetus even allowed to face his or her accuser in a jury trial of his or her peers? At any point prior to the fetus’s EXECUTION was he or she able to petition for a stay of execution like any accused and charged prisoner? What these people want is “Justifiable Homicide!” The sad truth is that this division in the USA is part of the Communist agenda to destroy the USA (and it’s working).

One of the stated Communist goals is for the "Destruction of the family unit."

What better way to destroy a family than to suck the family out through a hose into a jar??

John Holdren stated, "The fetus, given the opportunity to develop properly before birth, and given the essential early socializing experiences and sufficient nourishing food during the crucial early years after birth, will ultimately develop into a human being."

It is this sort of thinking that allows us to make leaps into new levels of acceptability. All one needs to do is to create an acceptable condition that justifies in this case a murder. Soon enough the limits and boundaries by what John Holdren stated can be justified for aborting a ONE YEAR OLD and so on!

What's really stopping the threshold being placed after birth? Once you've passed birth, then when?

"Inportant fact that religious zellies overlook:

There are waaay too many people on earth already. Anything that culls any number at all from the surplus population is a good thing."

Is this the same troll who just a couple of days ago claimed:

"We on the left believe something greater; that human life is worth more than anything else. You wingnuts will dump anybody or anything into the meatgrinder to satisy your death-cult desires."

What's really stopping the threshold being placed after birth? Once you've passed birth, then when?

According to the wisdom of Big Brother, of course. He knows exactly who the unpersons are.

1. Nice catch Smorfia48.

2. Burt dodges the question; which was if he has no moral problem with any of the constituents, why does he have a moral problem with the final product. He evades the question by stating he has moral problems, but being unable to explain why.

And his "not everyone agrees with this" is a dishonest dodge also, since that list represents the Democratic Party's abortion platform.

What's really stopping the threshold being placed after birth? Once you've passed birth, then when?

According to John Holdren, PBO's "science czar," a child should not count as human until it has been sufficiently "socialized".

The fetus, given the opportunity to develop properly before birth, and given the essential early socializing experiences and sufficient nourishing food during the crucial early years after birth, will ultimately develop into a human being.

And again we have a troll hiding behind the "Well, if it is legal it must be okay!" argument that the Leftists all love so well.

Gregory at 5:11 claims I dodged his query. I didn't but he wants more elaboration.

Back to Gregory's original list.

1. "Harvesting" fetal tissue.

I do not have a moral issue with using fetal tissue from abortions to further research into what could end up being life saving procedures. I would have a moral issue if the reason for an abortion was to procure fetal tissue.

2. The "right" to abortion at any stage in the pregnancy.

My personal view is that abortions should be conducted in the first trimester. However, medical situations with both the fetus and mother can lead to late term abortions because of which, the right to a late term abortion needs to remain.

3. Support partial birth abortion.

If the fetus is determined to be so severely developmentally handicapped that its quality and/or duration of life is profoundly limited. Or, if the mother's life is endangered by carrying the fetus to term.

4. Persons in a persistent vegetative state can be put to death because they lack "quality of life."

In this case you are talking about adults. This scenario is a very good reason for a living will that outlines your own wishes. Personally, I want the plug pulled.

My answer to the cloning to harvest question was
that I do have a moral problem with that. Why? For the same reason I listed re #1. If the reason for an abortion was to procure tissue, I oppose it.

Gregory seems to think accepting the first four automatically means acceptance of cloning to harvest. It doesn't.

It took a long time for society to get to the point where it was acceptable for a woman to murder her baby for convenience, and for human embryos to be regarded as a commercial commodity, it will take a lot of time to walk society back.

But let me ask this of the pro-abortion side. Given that:

1. Your side believes that it is okay to harvest fetal tissue for the benefit of adult humans.

2. Your side believes... fights for, in fact ... the "right" to have an abortion at any stage in pregnancy.

3. Your side (despite professing reservations to the procedure) supports partial birth abortion, in which a viable pre-born baby's brains are sucked and its skull crushed to permit extraction.

4. Your side believes persons in a persistent vegetative state can be put to death because they lack "quality of life."

Given your support or tolerance for all of the above, do you have any moral problems with cloning human embryos, implanting them in surrogate mothers, inducing brain damage at some stage of gestation, and using the post-born humans as organ banks, letting their organs be harvested for adult humans.

If not, how can you oppose it, having supported each of the individual steps leading to it?

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at December 4, 2009 4:02 PM

Very good points, GoY. The left who support the abortion lobby are nothing but soulless ghouls who more than likely will face the ultimate judgment when their time comes (very doubtful they would ask forgiveness through Him and repent).

Abortion is an abomination. Rather than taking personal responsibility, either through abstinence or using birth control (which is not 100% effective), they would rather have an abortionist go in and viciously kill the unborn child so they can still go about their lives unscathed. Problem is, a lot of women that do go through the abortion go through a lot of mental trauma. Hell, I had a friend who worked for a cleaning company that had a job cleaning up a "clinic".... he told me it looked like something out of Mengala's wet dream, and they clinic fired them because they refused to clean up the blood and fluids (which the cleaning company was required by law NOT to do). He even gets shook up thinking about it!

But your post also makes me think... these leftists who value human life as much as an empty Pepsi can... they want to be in charge of our healthcare. How scary is that?

Here's the answer Burt would give if he were totally honest:

"OK, I realize fetuses are potential human life, but ultimately, I think that the 'right' of people to gratify themselves sexually without consequences trumps the right of an unborn fetus to experience life.

"Also, while I might by morally troubled by the scenario in question, at the end of the day my life is more important than anyone else's. Therefore, if I can live longer by lobotomizing something I regard as sub-human and harvesting its tissues, that trumps any moral considerations."

Is that about right?

It amazes me how often people on the right like to put their words onto us and then expect us to defend them.

I did not talk about sexual gratification. Except for obvious medical reasons, I did not talk about why people choose abortion at all.

Alas, someone else will have to take over responding as I am out of here now.

So, Burt would be willing then to outlaw abortion except for a few narrow medical exceptions?

Consequence-free sexual gratification is the reason for upwards of 94% of all abortions.

Posted by: Burt at December 4, 2009 6:26 PM

Conspiracy to commit murder is like murder a Capital Crime. The amazing thing is that you fall on the side of the murders and conspirators rather than on OUR POSTERITY. Shame on you!

"It may be a "choice" but it's not an easy choice.
"Posted by: Burt at December 4, 2009 2:24 PM"

Yet the "choice" of GETTING PREGNANT was "easy", wasn't it?

Listen you leftie CHILDREN, "growing up" means that you take on ADULT RESPONSIBILITYS, it does NOT mean "screwing like dogs"!

Destroying our society is like eating potato chips. Once you have the first one you are well on the way to eating the whole bag.

The root cause of all wars has always been and always will be "Resource Control." It is difficult to raise a war party so the root reason is discarded and any of the standard "War Excuses" are put in motion so a Villain is conjured up and soon attacked.

I mention this since we Humans at any age will attempt to justify what we do just as in the extremes of war the same happens in our localities. Murder is murder each and every time it happens.

The product of sex is life and love but if need be we can push aside the truth that murder is murder and suck a child through a hose. That act is given a different name to help hide the murder and JUSTIFY A MURDER.

My wife delivered our third child 2 days ago. Mom and baby are healthy. For any father (obviously not Burt), it is such an amazing experience to see the little guy or girl come into our world. I've cried all 3 times. When I was holding my wife's leg seeing this little guy join our family, it did cross my mind that people like doochenozzleburt would want to kill this new human. Burt, cyanide works greatly, or, if you want, kick in my front door. .45ACP

Debating this issue with the progressive left is tiresome and unproductive. All of their arguments, when taken to their logical conclusions, end in madness and destruction.

Over population (ala Malthus), and the 'population bomb' (ala Ehrlich) are proven myths -- no need to go into the proof again with a new group of indoctrinated youngsters -- try pop.org.

The Catholic Church expressly calls in vitro fertilization and artificial insemination grave sins for the very reasons being debated in this thread -- messing with human conception, starting with artificial birth control, opens the door to the very problems we face today -- abortion, embryonic research and disposal, etc. The encyclical, Humanae Vitae (1968), has been vindicated to the letter for its wisdom and prophetic vision. It is undeniable that the Church's stance on Human Life is correct moral, ethical, psychological and physical teaching for the benefit of society and the happiness of the individual.

Saw a bumper sticker that I'm sure the lefties here would love: '6 Billion Miracles Are Enough.' That sums up the difference between the two sides on the issue of the sanctity and value of human life. Why liberals need to profess their philosophy in the form of dozens of bumper stickers is beyond me, but this one displayed such hubris that it really stood out. A friend said that the driver (a woman in her 20s) must have had some real issues -- I said that the issue may simply have been that she attended the local university.

It really is a battle between the culture of life and the culture of death. Think about it, the Catholic Church sees fit to utilize 2000 years of true wisdom and deep philosophical history to produce profound writings on the value Life and human happiness. And the cult of progress seeks to alter or destroy life at every turn (abortion, euthanasia, duty to die, cloning, embryonic stem cell research, population control), and writes clever and shallow conjectures that appeal only to the dark mind of self-described intellectual left.

lvb does indeed rock.
well done.

Gregory of Yardale, Evil Otto, and Smorfia all did a great job of exposing Meh or whoever that troll is for the psychotic, genocide- favoring barbarian that he is.
Wagtube, great to hear that the birth went well, and God has blessed you with another child. Take good care of him and the rest of your family.

Congratulations on your new child wagtube. Despite what you'd like to believe, I have three myself.

That doesn't make me a Medal of Honor winner, though I like to think it makes up for my abundant lack of moral character.

Divorce Rate
Welcome to divorcerate.org, the resource for providing information on the divorce rate in America and around the world.
What is the current divorce rate in America?
It is frequently reported that the divorce rate in America is 50%. This data is not accurately correct, however, it is reasonably close to actual. The Americans for Divorce Reform estimates that "Probably, 40 or possibly even 50 percent of marriages will end in divorce if current trends continue.", which is actually a projection.

"50% of all marriages in the America end in divorce."
The above statement about the divorce rate in America hides all the details about distribution, however.

Age at marriage for those who divorce in America Age Women Men
Under 20 years old 27.6% 11.7%
20 to 24 years old 36.6% 38.8%
25 to 29 years old 16.4% 22.3%
30 to 34 years old 8.5% 11.6%
35 to 39 years old 5.1% 6.5%

The divorce rate in America for first marriage, vs second or third marriage
50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, according to Jennifer Baker of the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology in Springfield, Missouri.”

According to enrichment journal on the divorce rate in America:
The divorce rate in America for first marriage is 41%
The divorce rate in America for second marriage is 60%
The divorce rate in America for third marriage is 73%

The divorce rate in America for childless couples and couples with children
According to discovery channel, couples with children have a slightly lower rate of divorce than childless couples.

Sociologists believe that childlessness is also a common cause of divorce. The absence of children leads to loneliness and weariness and even in the United States, at least 66 per cent of all divorced couples are childless.

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Now have a look at the Communist Goals in the USA to see what they say...

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

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There are more (goals) but the point is that the stated goals are in full swing and the "DESTRUCTION OF THE FAMILY UNIT" is the KEY to their success!

Sorry that was me above