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I am soooooo shocked!!! :-O
Time for impeachment ou were gonners!!
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The Administration and DHS will do everything they can to spin this away from agreeing that this is an actual Terriorist Attack based on religion fundamentalism, and try to make it the fault of the vast right wing population of the US.

If they try that, on top of the Health and Carbon Shams (massive new taxes and reduced freedoms), there will be a substansive backlash.

As it stands, the 2010 mid-terms will be a bigger back lash than the Dems want to admit.

Van, this is quite a lousy attempt to politicize this tragedy, and horrific incident. You are using the deaths of these soldiers to attack President Obama and liberals, it is pathetic and I figured you be a bit above that. Further, you try to say the left has "no love for our troops" and that is horseshit and you know it. So, what of soldiers like Len Clark who sometimes makes me look conservative, Adam Kokesh who's much like Ron Paul, and opposes these wars and who Bush and right had arrested numerous times, there are many others as well. Have the decency to recognize that there is politics and then there is heart and compassion. Our troops are not political props for the left or the right. Good on President Bush for heading over to Ft. Hood, show the same decency and stop politicizing this.

ghost of wellstone, you and your kind truly do make me sick to my stomach...

What, so we shouldn't even think about looking into connections between people who are, well, connected, when some of them are incontestibly evil enemies? Just because there's a tragedy and we should all be showing our respect? Sure there's a time for respect, but there's never a time to let up on vigilance. Goatse, you're losing harder than I've ever seen you lose on this one. Fuck you.

Evil this is not a political argument, these are soldiers lives, and many of you persist on making it political. You act like "Hey look soldiers died! Let's get Obama!!!" I make one common sense statement and I am losing, already? How'd that happen? You want to attack Obama for something, fine, attack him for continuing the bleeding in Iraq and Afghanistan. Show a little class, the dead in this incident are not yours to use as agitprop.

Same topic - additional information on Hasan and his radical Iman

Some excellent cross-referencing (additional links) going on at Jawa Report and other sites.

These two are worth a read:

Major Hasan: "Jihad means holy war"
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/199506.php

Malik Hasan Tied to 9/11 Hijackers, Radical al Qaeda Preacher:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/199504.php

Posted by: ghost of wellstone at November 8, 2009 11:35 AM

I really thought you'd be above this, as well. Er, only kidding.

You are using the deaths of these soldiers to attack President Obama and liberals,...

Ghostie, shouldn't you, of ALL our trolls, be the last person to accuse ANYONE of using the death of a person or persons for political gain? Please remind us what happened at good ol' Wellstone's funeral-cum-political rally.

Our troops are not political props for the left or the right.

Won't you "We Support Our Troops, Not the Mission" loonbats please find another doublespeak line? If lefties so loved our troops, they wouldn't denigrate their mission or, as Troop-Hating Former Marine Murtha and Troop-Hating Former Naval Officer Kerry do, outright lie about their actions to score political hay points.

The second you REALLY speak out against the likes of Murtha and Kerry on this is the second you earn a wee bit of respect.

Barack Hasan Obama.

Liberal moonbats will blame the NRA or guns as these jerks always do

@ ghost of wellstone

So what even remotely mainstream Christian Church or faith has BO and BOO been attending since last Jan 20?

BO's own actions and inactions open him up for scrutiny, considering the office he holds.

Its the same regardless of a 'R' 'I' or 'D' in front of the name.

Posted by ghost of wellstone at November 8, 2009 12:04 PM

Ghostie, why can't we attack Obama for his dreadful tin ear and lack of sensitivity on this issue? He's shown it at least twice now, regarding the grave nature of this ATTACK on America and the serious FAILURES in an overly-PC Military Bureaucracy that led to it. Obama's dithering on Afghanistan troop levels is almost as disrespectful as this was, and is potentially more hazardous to more of our brave military.

(Ft. Hood was not a 'tragedy', BTW, as BHO is so fond of saying. If a hurricane had leveled Ft. Hood and killed/injured troops, THAT would have been a tragedy.)

Further, you try to say the left has "no love for our troops" and that is horseshit and you know it.

Horseshit.

Your ilk raided $2.6 billion from the military's Operations & Maintenance account to pay for your pet pork projects.

That money wasn't slated to go to Boeing for some new toy that wouldn't see battle for another decade.

O&M pays for the food, supplies, equipment, training, small arms ammunition, and medical supplies that our troops need. Troops are already going without needed supplies, and being put through less training, all because Beltway corruptocrats needed pork to fund their reelection.

Your kind makes me sick.

'Bush Lied, People Died.'

Or, so say the lefties.

Bipartisan Corruption: Congress steals $2.6 billion from troops to fund pork barrel projects

RE: Posted by: ghost of wellstone at November 8, 2009 11:35 AM

Kyle lamely responds with, "....this is quite a lousy attempt to politicize this tragedy..."

So you show your objection to "politicizing" this by....politicizing it? And some say irony is dead! Ha!

Kyle continues his partisan attack with, "Further, you try to say the left has "no love for our troops" and that is horseshit and you know it."

You mean the same Letterman-Loving Lizard-Like Lobotomized Loopy Loony Lemming Like Leftie Losers that accuse the US military of 'air-raiding villages and killing civilians'? THAT Left, Kyle?

Kyle admonishes us to, "Have the decency to recognize that there is politics and then there is heart and compassion. Our troops are not political props for the left or the right."

True enough - so why don't you knock it off? Many of us actually served, and were ridiculed for it - so you should give serious thought to who yo're lecturing here, 'kay, K?

"Good on President Bush for heading over to Ft. Hood, show the same decency and stop politicizing this."

Yeah, and Former President Bush and Former First laydy Laura Bush did it quietly, and without a camera or microphone in sight.

The current occupants of the White House? Well, everything's always really all about them, now isn't it?

If you can't see the difference, and you can't see where the real politics is here, then you really need to get your head out of your third point of contact and be more aware.

This shouldn't surprise anyone - both The Big Empty's non-action and silly trolls' quick defense of his non-action is completely predictable and expected.

Slap a silly liberal hard today.

Then go out and buy some more ammo in recognition of Veteran's Day.

Print up all 2000 pages of the lying communists' "health care" bill - hang it from a tree and have some target practice.

You'll feel better.

Good God! My spelling is AWFUL today! Must be that second Tyskie I had at lunch........

Bush did what on 9/11?
Bush did what during Katrina?

Thought so.

Bush did what during Katrina?
Bush allowed state and local authorities to handle a non-Federal issue, as our Constitution requires.

It isn't the fault of Bush that Louisiana and NOLA authorities were downright incompetent, and many of the citizens of NOLA completely ignored 72-hour warnings of the approaching storm.

Tell me, did Bush have the authority to command the state guard, the NOLA police force, or put entire storage yards of buses into action?

Nope. Those buses sat empty and those first responders sat idle because of incompetence in state and local government.

Posted by: Michael Scott at November 8, 2009 12:37 PM

You are a moron.

hey Obama reacted to the shooting - he gave a speech!!

Goatse, if sense was any more common you might get some. I said what I meant and stand by it. There is the tragic aspect of this issue, but it IS political, and maximum leader zero is connected to that, not only by his inept handling of the situation, but by his actual connections to the shooter, as well as the shooter's connections to the AQ terrorists. You may find it awkward, being on the wrong side again, but don't you dare question my "discomfort" with what's going on in MY country unless you can PROVE it's all nonsense, vs just dismissing it as such.

"Everyone knows that leftists....(fill in the blank)"

Whenever you see an "everyone knows" regarding a political group, race, religion etc, the assertion is totally false.

As I said before, suppose someone had shot up a bathhouse and killed a bunch of ...uh..."Democrats," shall we say? Or shot up Rev. Wright's church? Do you think Zippy would have mustered a little more passion and outrage then?

Of course he would have. You can bet your ass there wouldn't have been any "shout outs" then. And that says it all.

I will assume you are talking about the "connections" to the Obama transition, which WND falsely reported ties. The author of that report, Jerome Corsi also stated it is "without evidence". Hasan rsvp'd for an event in 2008, and never showed up. Hasan was at George Washington University at the time. Nice try. I have been in the same room with Barack Obama and George W. Bush, and I do dog rescue and have opposable thumbs, so we all must be connect to Glen Beck fantasy world conspiracies, and there also space ships in CO. Evil! Ridiculous? Yes! That is the pit of your argument sir. This is dead soldiers asshat! Not political positioning for you, the left or anyone else to mock or play politics with.

Bottom line: we (i.e., loyal Americans) have a serious problem. Our country is infested with people who mean us harm. Crazed Muslims are only part of the problem; their enablers are the liberals, leftists, and assorted other Reds.

We need to revive HUAC and clean house. We need loyalty oaths in universities, and fire those who won't comply. We need RICO prosecutions of ACORN and SEIU. And we need all of this yesterday.

At times like these it is traditional for the leader to drop everything and go comfort the people. Everywhere. Every time.
It's not a bloody photo-op. It is just common decency.
Look at the old photos of King George VI poking among the rubble.
You can't go to every tragic occasion. Nobody can. And the folks know that. And the folks are asking "where is our leader?"
What leader?

Let's face it - in every sense except legal, George Bush is still CinC. Obama is no more President than is Martin Sheen, who portrayed one less unconvincingly. If/when the shit hits the fan - and I'm afraid it will - the nation will instinctively look to Bush, not to Obama, who will probably be curled up in a fetal position awaiting marching orders from Soros if he's not trying to find out what happened to the strawberries. In their hearts even liberals realize that Obama couldn't lead sailors to a whorehouse.

The good news, but also the problem, will be that Bush is such a loyal American that will doubtless call on everyone to support President ACORN.

"are only part of the problem; their enablers are the liberals, leftists, and assorted other Reds."

"We need to revive HUAC and clean house. We need loyalty oaths in universities, and fire those who won't comply."

Jay, so much for that "freedom" you often speak of. You pretend to this "patriot", yet wish to strip people of the freedom of choice, religion, and ideology. You wish to revive this McCarthy bullshit in order to say "look theres a liberal...Get him! You might want to read the Constitution again!

Was Fort Hood a Criminal act or Terrorism? -

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Posted by: ghost of wellstone at November 8, 2009 1:31 PM

Shut the f*ck up. Your stupidity give me a migraine.

"look theres a liberal...Get him! You might want to read the Constitution again!

Posted by: Anonymous at November 8, 2009 1:45 PM

This steaming pile gets it. Read the United States Constitution not the liberal one that comes nicely bound in a little red handbook.

Wow, you've been in the same room with some people? And you do dog rescue? You are obviously SO much more entitled to an opinion! Look, dumbass, the connections are there. Oh, he didn't show up for something? Oh noes! The connections are there. Hasan is our enemy, and maximum leader zero is our enemy. The fact they're connected is just a bonus. Yeah it sucks for the families of the dead and wounded. My sympathies to them. But it also sucks even harder for the rest of us, and to forget that, nevermind deny it, is even more of a travesty. You suck, too. Hard.

Now, as to HUAC. Perhaps reactivating HUAC is a metaphor for making these ideological opinions unpopular, as they should be, but HUAC itself was not wrong. There are some ideologies that are fundamentally incompatible with our founding principles, and should be known as such. HUAC does not prevent anyone from expressing their views; it merely makes known who it is that expresses views which are destructive to constitutional principles. Maybe that intimidates some, but only those who have something to hide. Yes, it's a fine line to tread, but over the last fifty years it's become obvious that we need to do it, since these subversives have been digging themselves into our culture without challenge. We are not better for it.

Evil,, Jerome Corsi could not find any evidence of a connection, he authored the conspiracy. The HSPI debunked it. My point was showing how ridiculous your conspiracy theories are. I condemn Hasan's actions, so we are in agreement there. Politicizing it is low rent.

You also join Jay's little chorus for reviving HUAC? C'mon! "HUAC does not prevent anyone from expressing their views; it merely makes known who it is that expresses views which are destructive to constitutional principles" That violates some Constitutional and privacy laws that we, as Americans are free to enjoy. You may also want read the Constitution again. "Our culture"? Surely you jest? This is the land of the free Evil.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting free exercise therof;or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;or the right of people peacefully to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances"

Jay, so much for that "freedom" you often speak of. You pretend to this "patriot", yet wish to strip people of the freedom of choice, religion, and ideology. You wish to revive this McCarthy bullshit in order to say "look theres a liberal...Get him! You might want to read the Constitution again!

The Constitution does not guarantee the rights of Marxists to be appointed to positions of power. As far as ideology is concerned, officials have the right to appoint those whose values are consistent with policy objectives.

The Constitution prevents discrimination against race, gender, nationality, religion, and other such attributes. Nothing in the Constitution requires appointments to be blind of politics - that is the entire point of political appointees. Appointees are supposed to hold views consistent with policy objectives.

The courts will not hear suits brought by failed appointees for political discrimination, because that is inherently a political question, which Congress and the executive have the right to consider when making appointments.

We need HUAC to bring some sunshine to the closet Marxists and apparatchiks of global government that have infested the Federal government.

We can't count on Glenn Beck to root out every Marxist Truther holding a position of power. There are literally thousands or tens of thousands of reds spread across the various bureaucracies and Federal agencies.

Those who are trying to tear down our Constitution, our freedoms, and our national sovereignty have no place in government.

If these crypto-Marxists are that proud of their views, then they can state them openly. The public has a right to know which public officials are sleeper agents working for the UN or the global Marxist conspiracy.

That violates some Constitutional and privacy laws that we, as Americans are free to enjoy.

Wrong. Government has the right to evaluate the political fitness of a person appointed to a political position. In fact, as far as presidential advisers and Federal judges go, the Senate has the obligation to render their advice and consent for each nominee.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting free exercise therof;or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;or the right of people peacefully to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances"

The First Amendment protects the rights of people to hold certain political views, as well as to express those views.

Nobody here is suggesting that Marxists should have their right to free speech squelched. That is a Marxist tactic espoused by such villains as Mark Lloyd.

What we want is a simple accounting of who, amongst political positions, holds views hostile to the Constitution. Since nobody has a right to be appointed to a position of political power, there is no first amendment issue.

Marxists have the right to spew their political filth. What they do not have a right to is a political appointment regardless of politics, since nothing in the Constitution prohibits the government from determining the political fitness of a person being appointed to a position of power.

This works the same way as many equal opportunity laws in the workplace. Employers may not deny someone a job for being black, however they may deny a job to a black man if he doesn't meet the basic requirements of the position.

The basic requirements for any position within the government include a willingness to uphold the Constitution and defend it from all enemies, foreign and domestic. All Marxists fail to meet that requirement.

Of course there are no grown ups in his administration. They are all schoolyard whimps that took regular ass whippings during lunch and recess and they never got over it. Thus the current administrations actions. Think about it.

Was Fort Hood a Criminal act or Terrorism?

Since terrorism is a criminal act, both.

Goats said at 11:39am, "Adam Kokesh who's much like Ron Paul, and opposes these wars and who Bush and right had arrested numerous times", wow, you really want to hold up Adam Kokesh, the marine busted for smuggling a prohibited weapon back from Iraq? The marine who ended up with a general discharge, got his ass arrested in the Hart Senate Office Building, and got arrested at Ft. Benning for trespassing. That's what "Bush and the right" did to get him arrested? Weak, even for a lib, goats.
Kokesh is the same kind of marine as Okinawa Jack Murtha, and that's why I didn't capitalize Marine when referring to him.
Meanwhile, yeah, inquiring minds want to know, what was so important on 0's schedule that he couldn't show up and visit the people who defend this country, and their families. That's right, he had to kick back at Camp David. Maybe he's figuring out who gets his next "shout out"?

Nah, I'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but then, you don't have to be, these days. "Conspiracy theory" seems to be a favoured misdirection on the left lately.

And, as you see, HUAC doesn't prevent anyone holding or expressing an opinion, in fact it helps them express that opinion by exposing it for all to see. Free publicity, right? No such thing as negative publicity! Unless, that is, you'd rather not express it, as such. Why might that be?

Obama will be there Tuesday when there are plenty of cameras to capture his moment in the sun as CiC. Image is, after all, everything to him and his handlers.

Posted by: Oiao at November 8, 2009 11:33 AM

Are you for real? What in the hell do you think your side has been doing for the last 40 some odd years? Good lord man you are delusional.

Your LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSER ass leader is once again a lame motherfucker. Turns his back on the troops he does. Ghost, you guys are just plain stupid by your actions. 2010 will be ugly for the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSER demacrats.

Go take a shower and clear your head.
You are not well.

Sorry Oiao, I meant;

Posted by: ghost of wellstone at November 8, 2009 11:35 AM

My glasses are clean now.

"... if he's not trying to find out what happened to the strawberries..."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 8, 2009 1:44 PM

ROFL my ass off

Agree on the 'strawberries' reference - .....chuckle and snort............

CONSPIRACY? HMMMMMM Keith Obltoon is the king of those Wellstone said he has been in the same room with Bush, Obama. Waiting tables? Bus boy? Obama doesnt deserve to be in the same room with our heroes of the armed forces and veterans. A dust ball has more right and he aint close to even being that.

Tony, I will take rebuttal to heart on some aspects. I am not politicizing this at all, simply making the argument that we should avoid that. Painting the left or the right with a broad stroke is a practice we have all participated in. That said, I don't think this incident is a good one to do that in.

We have many soldiers who Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Atheist, etc. and we should have the decency to respect that for the sacrifice they have made and make. We are America. However, Gen. Casey is even coming out and saying that other Muslim soldiers are at because of Hasan's horrible act, and bigotry.

You have to recognize with your statement on George and Laura Bush "quietly" doing their visit w/o cameras is a cheap shot. Presidents pine for those moments. Does "Mission Accomplished" ring any bells? I disagree with it as much you, but it is not partisan. Saying you support troops, is worthless if you only buy a car magnet. I do not speak fr all of the left, nor do you speak for all of the right, we both have crazies that stymie good efforts in supporting our troops without politicizing it.

You might want to read the Constitution again!

Article 3, Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

HUAC did yeoman's work on un-American activities. It was originally founded to investigate the German-American Bund (kinda like CAIR for krauts), and only later investigated Reds. And before the cognitively disenfranchised start bleating about McCarthy, please note he was a Senator, not a House member, and had no connection with HUAC. Please note that the blacklisted writers of Hollywood fame are now known, to a man, to have been Communists. Theirs was no principled stand; it was cockroaches scurrying for the nearest baseboard.

You pretend to this "patriot", yet wish to strip people of the freedom of choice, religion, and ideology.

Freedom of "choice?" What the hell is that? "Ideology," btw, is a Marxist term, coined by...Uncle Karl.

People are free to speak their minds. But if they are potentially conspiring to undermine our government and way of life, investigating whether any such conspiracies exist is only prudent.

We've investigated the German-American Bund, the various Communist Party front organizations (now proven, by the Venona transcripts, to have been controlled by Moscow), the Mafia, the Teamsters, and the KKK. Why not the Aryan Brotherhood? Why not CAIR? Why not ACORN? Why not SEIU? Who controls them? Who funds them? What are their goals? These are all organizations lurking in the shadows, and they each need the sun shone on them.

Jay your zeal is admirable, but it is misdirected. Let's get this straight, you would like to invade peoples privacy because you simply disagree with them? Correct? Hasan's actions were horrendous, and his trail of betrayal should have been addressed by the military, it was not. However, you want it known that anyone who may think one way or another should be made public, that is unconstitutional. Even being the half-wit you are, I never doubted your patriotism, this is a bit much. By your standard, Democratic Socialists should be deported, American Muslims...deported, Liberals...deported. You know what, we contribute to society as well.

Re longstanding Soviet efforts to penetrate Hollywood: Iconic Soviet spy dies at 97

Also read this: Spies: The Rise and Fall of the KGB in America, which summarizes the Venona transcripts and work in the KGB archives. Bottom line: the Rosenbergs were guilty as sin. Even Morton Sobell has admitted their (and his) guilt. So was Alger Hiss. Harry Dexter White, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, was a Soviet agent. The blacklisted writers were all fellow-travelers. Liberal icon I. F. Stone was on the KGB payroll. The list goes on and on.

Seriously, read the book, which is not a ranting screed, but a scholarly and heavily referenced exposition by Harvey Klehr (professor of politics and history at Emory), John Earl Haynes (Ph.D. historian at the Library of Congress), and Alexander Vassiliev, a Russian journalist and ex-KGB operative.

Then also read Witness, by Whittaker Chambers. It's tougher reading, but see if you are not struck by the parallels between then (50 years ago) and now. Chambers broke with the CPUSA, and was demonized mercilessly by the NYT and WaPo for accusing Alger Hiss of being a Soviet agent – which, in the event – he was.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by presuming that you are a loyal American, albeit somewhat misinformed. We – all of us, all loyal Americans, including you and me – have a serious problem on our hands.

Seriously, I urge you – read this stuff. Read it with an open mind, and see if you don't feel uneasy about current directions.

investigated != deported

Turn it around. Suppose the Aryan Brotherhood or Nation or whatever they call themselves were agitating to achieve political power. Would you laugh them off? I wouldn't. There is no right to privacy to commit crimes. (Actually, there is no right to privacy in the Constitution, period, but that's another issue.) Do you bleat about invading Mafia don's privacy? Yet they don't pose 0.1% of the threat posed by CAIR, ACORN, or SEIU.

How does someone who threw up red flag after red flag even before he blew a nut and started mowing down our soldiers become a participant on an advisory committee for HOMELAND SECURITY?!!! Seems to me they need to do a much better job of screening the people they are looking to for advice and maybe not be so afraid to discharge an unbalanced individual just because he is a Muslim.

You know what, we contribute to the down fall of society as well.

Posted by: ghost of wellstone at November 8, 2009 4:39 PM

Is that what you meant to say?

If these outfits are legitimate grass roots organizations (hah!) merely espousing a viewpoint to which they hope to turn the electorate, fine.

But you and I both know that isn't true. ACORN and SEIU are Communist front organizations. CAIR is a Muslim terrorist front organization. We both know that that's true. Where do they get their money? Who's behind them?

Suppose, for example, that CAIR turns out to get its money and direction from rabid Muslim fundamentalists in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, or some such. Cool? Not with me it isn't. Suppose ACORN/SEIU (let's face it, they're pretty much the same outfit, and in some cities even share the same office) are bankrolled by revolutionary communists (both were founded by Wade Rathke, an SDS member - you remember them?). Think investigation could find terrorist ties? I do.

We need to do this, to at least find out the agenda and funding of these extremist groups.

strawberry reference=cain mutiny? btw bush is still MY president, as for this other red/muzzleman he can eat my ass.

And let's take this a little further, into the realm of imagination. Suppose ACORN/SEIU is significantly bankrolled by, say, Soros, and it turns out that he helped arrange Obama's book contract (not the one he couldn't complete, the one Ayers apparently ghost wrote)? And that the book's sales were due in no small part to Soros's buying up copies to propel the book up the bestseller lists, as a (perfectly legal) way of providing Obama with money and visibility. Suppose further that Soros was then tied to heavy campaign contributions to Obama from overseas – in violation of American law? Suppose, in other words, that it turns out that Soros straight-up bought the election, that ACORN/SEIU are his auxiliaries, and Obama is his spokesmodel?

Wouldn't you characterize that as subverting American democracy? I would. Is this scenario impossible? Is it even unlikely? Doesn't it warrant investigation at least as much as Mafia influence in the Teamsters did?

Wow; That was quite interesting, Jay. I hadn't thought of all that until you put it together, and given Soros' money, it could be a possibility. I mean, he has visited Obama many times since he became President.

Thanks, Fenelon.

I'm not saying that this is necessarily what happened, but it fits what happened with basically one postulate - that some well-heeled subversive has orchestrated it all.

The point is that we don't know hardly anything about Obama (he seems to have been in witness protection until he ran for the Senate), we don't know who funds ACORN/SEIU, there are a hell of a lot of funky coincidences (Obama keeps fetching up next to Ayers/Dohrn/SDS members all over the place), and now Andy Stern of SEIU is a fixture in the White House. (At this point, I'd be pleased to find out he and Barry are on the downlow; the alternatives are much worse.)

We need the sun to shine in on this crew. Now.

Dave, that was a low rent shot, and fairly adolescent. I am surprised. Alot of us from both sides take seriously the volunteer work for vets, and it is discredited by politicizing it. I will use my experience on this site as an example, many of you like myself, hate that this happened and wish the best for the families and their brothers and sisters serving. However, to use use this as an attack is cheap, and makes some Michigan Ave. prostitutes look high class. No offense to sex workers. Good for you guys though, this is my last entry this eve, and only Dave will get this...unexpected do sitting this evening.

Dave, side note as we are dog guys, quite funny to see my Basset roughhouse with a very tall Berenese Mtn. dog. Neighbors in the process of a move and she needs a day or two here, and she came cat approved. Take care.

*should have read "dog sitting"

Ghost, consider my posts above. Seriously, do.

Speaking as one dog guy to another. (My golden retriever is even as I type curled up between my feet!)

Posted by: ghost of wellstone at November 8, 2009 6:05 PM

Well it's the truth, Ghost.

LOL I got it. What's even funnier is to watch my 12 pound male cat chase and juke a 95 pound dog around the house.

I'm at the office and my dog is more than likely asleep on my couch with both cats by his side.

Can't wait to get home.

George Soros is number one on my "most likely to be the anti-Christ" list.

Posted by: ghost of wellstone at November 8, 2009 6:05 PM

STFU, you whiny ass baby killer.

It's not that Obama doesn't understand the military, it's that he doesn't understand basic leadership skills.

Posted by: ghost of wellstone at November 8, 2009 11:35 AM

Spin all you like, ghost. The connections between radical Islam and the shooter are getting harder and harder to ignore. It's becoming obvious that this isn't just some deranged, lone-acting individual who was despondent over some personal issue. He doesn't seem to have anything in common with the nutjob who shot up VA Tech awhile back.

You want to attack Obama for something, fine, attack him for continuing the bleeding in Iraq and Afghanistan. Show a little class, the dead in this incident are not yours to use as agitprop.
Posted by: ghost of wellstone at November 8, 2009 12:04 PM

We ARE attacking him for that. His refusal to send the reinforcements to Afghanistan that his own general requested....is a disgrace. It's his damn fault that our men are getting shot up over there - because they don't have enough people to kill the enemy quickly.

I'm soooo impressed that you know big words like "agitprop." Not.

Whenever you see an "everyone knows" regarding a political group, race, religion etc, the assertion is totally false.

All generalizations are false. Including this one.

Since terrorism is a criminal act, both.

Your view is part of the problem. It's why nothing substantial got done about terrorism during the 90s. Like you, Clinton viewed it as a problem to be dealt with by law enforcement and the court system.

Bush viewed it as an act of war. He sent the military to deal with the enemy appropriately.

I think it's a fair question to ask, "Were there any state actors or stateless terror organizations sponsoring this attacker?" If not, he could still be called an enemy of the United States and dealt with appropriately.

Presidents pine for those moments. Does "Mission Accomplished" ring any bells?

Oh, brother. Will you Bush-hating lefties ever let that one go already?

It was intended to commemorate the fall of Baghdad, nothing more. Even Bush has since admitted that it wasn't a great idea though, since it came to be seen in light of the broader war in Iraq.

"Bush did what during Katrina?"
Bush declared a State of Emergency in New Orleans days before Katrina hit. Actual disaster- control and evacuation policies would have been the responsibilities of the local and state governments, both of whom sat on their butts and did nothing while their constituents who elected them to office died.

"Does "Mission Accomplished" ring any bells?"
Posted by: ghost of wellstone at November 8, 2009 4:19 PM. In the words of Reagan, "there you go again". Goatse, you know, and I know as do most of the posters here, that sign was put up on the carrier by its CREW. To signify that they'd finished THEIR mission in SW Asia. Bush didn't put it up, Rove didn't put it up, Cheney didn't put it up. Come on, I thought better of you than that.

Anyone else beginning to wonder who exactly is on the ACORN/SEIU payroll? Someone perhaps posting here?

2000-2008

You act like "Hey look soldiers died! Let's get Obama George W. Bush!!!"

Oh look not even a week later, Obama is in Ft. Hood, what now simpletons? lol

Oh and the FBI had him on the radar in 2008, this was under Bush's tenure, if it was under Obama's, you would all be screaming he dropped the ball.

So is it safe to say that Bush dropped the ball here....(again?)

9/11 being the first

The radical right, you're just too easy. lol