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I reckon it's about time to revolt.

The Real Democrap and Obama agenda has shown forth. His agenda is socialistic if not communistic and does not assist the prosperity of America. Slowly but surely the truth is being revealed.

I disagree. I think they couldn't care less.

Subtle semantic vs. colloquial point, V the K, but I agree. So corrected.

Thanks! :D

Two headlines from today:

"Tax Rich, Fund War?

Top Dems propose new taxes on America's wealthiest to foot the bill for any troop increases in Afghanistan"

AND

"U.S. to Make Climate Change Pitch

Obama administration will propose its goals for emissions reduction at U.N. summit in Copenhagen"

Re V t K: They could care less. 2010, baby!

It's such a joke to watch them babble about the poor children and all the victims of the big insurance companies when you know full well they don't give a rats ass about any of it and this whole thing has NOTHING TO DO WITH HEALTHCARE!

Starting arguments about healthcare is nothing but a cover for their REAL agenda. It's your typical Democrat diversion and smokescreen. As long as WE argue about healthcare they know we aren't watching what they are really up to.

The Raz has some other neat numbers:

Obama's job approval is 28% vs. disapproval at 41% giving an 'index' of -13%, the ninth day of double digit disenchantment.

And the president's personal approval rating has fallen to 46% on the ever decreasing statistic.

A weak smile in relief as I cry for our country.

I am just glad to see clips of Ren and Stimpy applied to leftist politics!

I e-mailed Chuckie "they don't care about little porky things" Schumer & Kirsten "I don't believe anything I used to" Gillibrand but it's like spitting into the wind.

PREZBO'S APPROVAL RATING

Gallup shows Obama's approval rating at 48%. Who are these 48%? What are they thinking? Are they registered voters? Let's pray they are not. What in the world has this anti-capitalist done to earn the approval of even 48% of our population. But WAIT! What percentage of working Americans pay absolutely no federal income taxes at all? What percentage of working Americans actually benefit from Obama's income redistribution schemes? Oh yeah ... that would be about 48%. OK .. never mind. Makes sense now.

HEALTHCARE BY NUMBERS

Before the Democrats voted to invoke cloture on the healthcare bill this weekend, Senator Orrin Hatch tried his best to present some figures to his colleagues. Unfortunately, Democrats aren't going to be swayed by facts and figures or the truth .. they will only be swayed by power.

So here are the numbers that Orrin Hatch presented on the floor of the Senate:

0 - the number of provisions prohibiting the rationing of health care.
0 - the number of government-run entitlement programs that are financially sound over the long-term.
10.2 percent - our national unemployment rate, the highest in 26 years.
70 - total number of government programs authorized by the bill.
1,697 - times the Secretary of Health and Human Services is given authority to determine or define provisions in this bill.
2,074 - total pages in this bill.
2010 - the year Americans start paying higher taxes to pay for this bill
2014 - the year when this bill actually starts most of the major provisions of this bill
$6.8 million - cost to taxpayers per word
$8 billion - the total amount of new taxes on Americans who do not buy Washington-defined health care.
$465 billion - Cuts in Medicare at a time when it faces a $38 trillion unfunded liability to finance more government spending.
$494 billion - total amount of new taxes in this bill
$2.5 trillion - the real cost of the bill
$12 trillion - our total national debt

Posted by: bergbiker at November 23, 2009 12:14 PM

Sentiment well stated. Though, methinks it is strongly approve 28% vs. strongly disapprove at 41%. That approval index measures the extremes in the poll - and indeed, the EXTREME distaste of all The One's wrongs is far outweighing the residual hopeychangey feel-good crap. Seems that the Obama kool-aid nanobots are perhaps wearing out?

This birther billboard has a lot of boxers in a bunch. ;-)

Car Dealer Talks About His Anti-Obama Billboard

Billboard

The neo-commies SAY that they can fund this fiasco by "saving" $127 billion on other programs (IE: 'defunding them'). If this were true, wouldn't it be smarter to apply this "savings" to our debt rather than racking up more debt? Red china is getting NERVIOUS and may start demanding our natural resources in payment.

You Liberals have to stop supporting this crap. If you don't, there will be oil wells in Anwar and the Gulf of Mexico!

Ahh, nothing like retarded hicks, trying to find data the supports their narrow-minded view of the world...

Approval is down for healthcare because there are a great many who think is doesnt go far ENOUGH. If dems re-add a public option, etc etc people will be on board again. (except for the anti-health people... "let the insurance companies deny coverage forever; the capitalist model of profit over health is good enough for me!")

and seriously - birthers? really? are there really people that stupid left in america?

ouch. one might think that opinions too asinine to exist on FOX would be too stupid to continue existing anyplace else... guess thats not true. There's always somebody dumber, who is apparently proud to tell us all about it. Right, Ted?

Ah yet another elitist libturd telling us how we should think. Tell me libturd do you pay taxes? I thought not, otherwise you'd be plenty pissed about the dc elitists trying to shove this crap down our throats when Americans clearly ARE NOT behind this.

KHarn -

Guess you are one of those 'conservatives' not bothered by facts... you are not aware, i trust, that the national debt was far higher than it is now several times before? since WWII, and as recently as 1992. Don't mean to call you out as 'stupid'... but damn, you're stupid. Or is America gone? Is this the Matrix?

Read a book or 2 about how debt works. Or even an article, for those not capable of reading as many words...

Then ask yourself why it is you are more concerned about insurance industry profits than the health of your fellow americans. (and the kicker: i bet you are all churchy-jesus-is-magic, like most of your kind... but somehow not aware of your un-christian attitude! It would be funny if it weren't so tragic...)

Posted by: Ugh. stupid hicks everywhere... at November 23, 2009 2:27 PM

You think the plan is losing popularity because it doesn't spend ENOUGH money? You truly are mentally ill.

Did it ever occur to you that there are ways of handling hard luck cases without ruining the entire US economy? Or is that what you are going for you dirty little Red?

Ok Ted

What, exactly, is it that you ARE willing to spend $ on?

Guns, Bibles, and Glenn Beck, clearly... but not the health of your fellow Americans. Nope. Insurance industry profits over actual caring for health... right? Yeah. Right.

Is America the shining beacon of hope for the rest of the world that the 'patriotic' types harp about? Dunno... especially when the wealthiest nation in the planet's history can't even provide a guarantee for the physical health of the citizenry. Heanthcare is something that we can do, as a wealthy nation, to actually use the power of our 1st-world status to improve actual people's lives. But of course you and the rest of the flat-earth society are uninterested in making lives better, just in making sure you can bring your gun to curch.

Have to love it. Douchebags who are sooo proud to be douchebags, that they take every opportunity to remind us all of it.

Newsweek Editor Admits: Health Care Bill a ‘Fiscal Fraud’ But ‘I’d Still Vote for It’

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2009/11/23/newsweek-editor-admits-health-care-bill-fiscal-fraud-i-d-still-vote-it

Computers Aren’t Saving Hospitals Money — Report

http://trueslant.com/jimnash/2009/11/22/computers-arent-saving-hospitals-money-report/

anonopuss helath insureance companies have a %5 profit return, hardly a wise place to put one's money. How do you suggest they research and come up with new drugs? Pixie dust? I will spend my money how I see fit but since you're so worried about your fellow Americans please feel free to donate all of your money to someone who doesn't have health insurance. By the way I don't listen to beck,rush or any of the others. There goes your ASSumption again.

Gad! Another leftist who doesn't understand that central planning of health care results in rationing and skyrocketing costs but wants to argue for it based on "compassion" for the poor. Who do you think suffers most when health care is rationed, anonydork? Not the rich, that's for sure.

ouch, ted. did you really just ask about insurance companes making new drugs? does anyone else care to weigh in and point out the inherent stupidity of that statement?

thanks for once again reminding us smart people why we have such contempt for your kind - you may not have the slightest clue what you're talking about, but you sure do form angry opinions about the stuff you don't understand!

Hahahahaha.... priceless. i think that little gem might get cross-posted as a perfect example of 'stupid conservatives' in a few places.

hilarious judith - "central planning of health care results in rationing and skyrocketing costs" ...

your blanket assumption that guaranteeing healthcare will result in the instantaneous downfall of the existing system in a mire of failure would be funny if it weren't so tragic... as if the very idea of striving to better our society is antithetical to the conservative mind.

I thought your team was supposed to be all gung-ho, 'america is the best and can do no wrong', etc etc... and yet you ascribe failure to things that can and indeed are getting done.

At some point, you have to ask yourself this question: why is it that you simply assume we will fail? what is it about the idea of trying to actually improve the lives of americans that you find so repellent that you have decided is not worth trying?

(and why is the atheist jackass the only one who seems to realize that this is a social imperative, while all the 'christians' seem to be of the opinion that profits over lives is the way to go???)

Yeah,
This Obama Care stinks and the overwhelming majority of productive Americans are opposed.
I have not seen this much stuff being shoved down everyone's throat since Barney Frank's salute to the Queens of Washington party that was held over the Fourth of July.
You know, as far as the democrats are concerned, you are going to get Obama Care. Probably the Barney Frank way, shoved down your throat, or rammed up your ass, it really does not matter.

This is pretty typical for right-wingers on health care. It's the "i got mine!" crap, that has long ailed the conservatives.I have looked at this site and witnessed all the gusto for more troops to Afghanistan, and are ok with a million spent per soldier, but not ok to spend money on health care. Like Palin, like Cheney, like Boehner these folks are nothing talking point machines.

Yeah anon I was in a hurry so enjoy that little tidbit. By the way you haven't answered any of my qusetions and how can this country be so wealthy when we are indebt up to our asses?

Anonymous @ 3;39pm

I appreciate all these diverse opinions that I read here.
But, your crap looks like the stuff that would even be rejected over at the Huffpuppy or Dailypus.

"but not ok to spend money on health care."
I don't remember anyone here saying that.

Why does the mere mention of Sarah Palin's name drive you asshats into psychotic aphasia?

Sarah Palin Sarah Palin You Betcha You Betcha

I have a great suggestion for you. Take your shitty attitude, make it into the shape of a penis pecker and then go fuck yourself.

Could you get back to us with the results.
XOXOXO
LOVE and KISSES

come on ted... READ something about debt structure, and something about US history, then ask yourself if this is the Matrix, or if we survived greater debt in the past without the country exploding. i'll wait. i even linked to an article about it above someplace, if a whole 'book' is too daunting for you.

Clearly you didn't get much of that 'librul schoolin', but at least be AWARE of your limitations. there are literally hundreds of millions of people in america, most of them smarter and more educated than you. and the educated ones all seem to have different opinions than yours. ever take that step back and ask yourself why that is?

"it is better to be thought a fool, then to open one's mouth and remove all doubt"

"Anonymous at November 23, 2009 2:43 PM"

I will ignore your stupid atempts at insults, and instead ask two questions that I am SURE that a super-wise Liberal as yourself can easily answer:

ONE: Didn't Obama and the donkeys in Congress PROMASS that they would reduce the debt rather than INCREASE it?

TWO: How does spending and borrowing MORE reduce debt?

I'm just an ignorant Southern boy, elitist Liberal, please explain!

Beware Liberals bearing gifts. (a) There's ALWAYWS a string attached and (b) they usually bought the "gift" with YOUR money.

I love the simpering lib / progressive "don't you CARE about your fellow man???" B.S.

Yes, I do care Mr. Anonymous Progressive. That is why we have safety nets in this country for those truly in need. But I do NOT want my hard earned money confiscated to subsidize him, because it means we ALL get sub-standard health care. (That's what you call "equality", right?)

But you knew that, just like you know that your true goal is to make us into a third-world country with no greater influence or better standard of living than, say, Rwanda. C'mon. You know that's true.

Any time a lib / progressive starts telling you about "compassion" towards others, LOOK OUT. The translation is "We want to take what you have and knock you down a few notches in the process. Isn't that COMPASSIONATE of us?"

Spending more money saves money, guys! DUH!

Just like pouring gasoline on a fire puts out the fire by making the house burn down faster.

"We had to destroy the economy in order to save it." - Liberal Mouth Breathers

Oh, good. Another in a long line of hate-filled leftist drones graces us with his presence. Or maybe it's the same one as usual. It doesn't matter... all leftists are the same, identical clones of each other.

your blanket assumption that guaranteeing healthcare will result in the instantaneous downfall of the existing system in a mire of failure would be funny if it weren't so tragic...

Health care under the Democrat's plan will in no way be "guaranteed." That's the ugly little secret of "health care reform"... the government would have just as much power to deny coverage as any insurance company, just as they already do with current programs.

Oh, and it won't be "instantaneous." It'll take a few years, but the result will be the same: the collapse of the private health care market, followed a decade or two later by the collapse of the public health care system.

as if the very idea of striving to better our society is antithetical to the conservative mind.

You are very arrogant. To you, this is a "good vs. evil" argument. You assume that we don't want to "better our society." We do. We want to better it by stopping YOU and your socialist party from creating yet another bloated, bureaucratic government program that will suck trillions of dollars down the hole. The debt is 12 TRILLION DOLLARS and climbing. In 2019 the payment on the debt alone will be $700 billion every year... that's like a TARP bill every year.

And you and your fellow socialist drones want to create the largest federal program in history, at a time when the economy is collapsing and we're already in debt up to our eyeballs. Trying to pass this plan right now is beyond insanity.

If we stop you on this, we will have made our society a much, much better one.

I thought

You've never thought in your life. You don't think, you feel.

your team was supposed to be all gung-ho, 'america is the best and can do no wrong', etc etc... and yet you ascribe failure to things that can and indeed are getting done.

And what would that be, exactly? What things are "getting done?" What things can you socialists do, besides spending money that isn't yours on questionable programs?

At some point, you have to ask yourself this question: why is it that you simply assume we will fail?

Man, I just had this argument with one of your Kool-Aid chugging clones, Anonymous loser. I don't feel like going into it again, but here it is in a nutshell: You will fail because these programs ALWAYS fail. They always cost two, three, five, ten times what is initially claimed. They always grow massively over the years, always get more bureaucratic, always get more bloated. Socialism always fails, as all pyramid schemes fail.

This is no different. It is the way of things.

what is it about the idea of trying to actually improve the lives of americans that you find so repellent that you have decided is not worth trying?

Man, you're gullible. You really think this is about improving the lives of Americans?

This is about MONEY and POWER. That is the reason this is being shoved through so quickly, with so little debate. The politicians know that if people understand just what is being attempted here they will be enraged. The goal here is to get this passed and worry about the consequences later... it will be too late once the program is in place.

(and why is the atheist jackass the only one who seems to realize that this is a social imperative, while all the 'christians' seem to be of the opinion that profits over lives is the way to go???)

I'm not a Christian.

And here is an economics lesson for you, since you've clearly never studied the subject: profits are what drive human progress. The free market even at its worst is a far more efficient way of procuring goods or services than the government ever has been. In the end, this plan will not save lives, and will destroy the very innovation that creates new medicines and technologies that DO save lives. In trying to save some lives, you will doom others. And cast us into a pit of debt so deep we will be unable to escape while you do so.

But I don't suppose that matters to you, leftist drone. Y'see, you have good intentions. What is the road to hell paved with?

but at least be AWARE of your limitations. there are literally hundreds of millions of people in america, most of them smarter and more educated than you. and the educated ones all seem to have different opinions than yours. ever take that step back and ask yourself why that is?

Yes, most of the bankers, wall street barons, and politicians that managed to create the real estate bubble, collapse the economy, and run up trillions in debt were educated at elite institutions and were considered "the smartest people in the room."

I'm not impressed with the intellectual superiority of the elite.

A liberal is a person who sees no difference between the concepts of "mine to give" and "yours to take."

Real conservatives will profess that the government has a right to tax honestly and in proportion to the necessary services provided to each citizen, where such services must necessarily be delivered by government, and are of such a character that no reasonable citizen will turn down.

The liberal, on the other hand, believes that government has a claim against each citizen in the interest of "fairness." The liberal believes that government may take, at its own discretion, using the armed force of the state, to accomplish the state's objectives, even if it provides zero benefit to the robbed.

This progressivism always begins small. The progressives seeking to spread wealth (without violent revolution) always start by asking for some small, token amount. Most people don't see the harm in this, so they willingly comply, or even praise it.

This line of thinking suffers from a dangerous, slippery slope. Once a person makes the ideological concession that government may take 5%, in the interest of fairness, there is no difference between that 5% and even 75%. The specific percentage of wealth to be stolen and redistributed is a minor detail once one has already accepted the government's first-position mortgage against their productivity as being legitimate and valid.

Generosity and charity, as values, are widely accepted as good. However, such actions are necessarily voluntary. The government may not "force" someone to be generous - such a description is a lie put forward by progressives to hide the true nature of their agenda based in robbery. No, generosity may never be forced, as generosity is a value held within one's own mind; it is a value which promotes reasoned compassion to those in need and deserving of help. The gift, which we know as the act of generosity, can never be a substitute for it, no matter how much the wealth spreaders of the progressive movement might claim that having a generous heart and parting with physical wealth are one in the same.

The progressive movement has deliberately set up this false dichotomy, so that they may deride as selfish any though which is not accepting of the government's first-position lien against the fruits of one's labor, to be subsequently seized, wasted by a bureaucracy, before finally delivering at least a fraction of the original value to a special interest that routinely votes for the politician which made the exchange possible.

The virtue of conservative charity is the hundreds of millions of waste watchers presiding over the system. Private donors allocate value where it makes the most difference, in the most efficient way, based on the same underlying habit of seeking out value in products purchased for consumption or business.

The vice of government charity, on the other hand, is the allocation of value to precisely the opposite of the places where it makes the most difference. Under the government model, value collects within bureaucracies and private entities capable of lobbying and steering political support. The fundamental, fatal flaw of this system is that those organizations, both public and private, which are most adept at their rent-seeking behavior, and necessarily among the least efficient at improving the world, evolve a perverse competitive advantage over the more efficient organizations to extract the maximum value from the system, to be subsequently spent, not on an end goal, but to be re-dedicated to extracting future value in the future.

It should come as no surprise that conservatives tend to be more charitable, both in time and money, despite having lower incomes, on average, than liberals. Conservatives believe in charity - we just prefer that the government not do it for us.

The liberal slander of conservative attitudes as, most famously, "f--k you, I got mine" simply don't align with reality. Not only do conservatives not want government to be generous on their behalf, they don't need government to force them to give back to the community. Conservatives are giving back without government doing it, wastefully, on their behalf.

I also find no compelling evidence that most of America is smarter than me... much less idiot left wing trolls who swallow Democrat talking points without skepticism and have zero capacity for pattern recognition (i.e. the repeated disastrous failure of government welfare programs).

Public Support for ObamaCare Sinks to New Low, Dems Couldn't Care Less

Of course, they don't care: they're democrats. What did you expect from Leon Trotsky?

This country still has choices:

BO vs freedom
Barney Frank (gag) vs capitalism
Hell-Care vs medicine
Al gore vs truth
cap and trade vs viable economy
fascism vs liberalism
fact (wealth) vs fantasy (liberalism)
space exploration vs entitlements
ACORN vs democracy

...but they're dwindling fast.

Once again, as predicted here on this very site: pushing the Hell-Care bill through came at the height of football season.

Always capitalize Gore.

but at least be AWARE of your limitations. there are literally hundreds of millions of people in america, most of them smarter and more educated than you. and the educated ones all seem to have different opinions than yours. ever take that step back and ask yourself why that is?

Correlation does not equal causation. In this case, the alleged correlation between intelligence/education and support for liberalism is just that - a correlation. It does not prove that being intelligent makes one more liberal, nor does it prove that liberal policies are inherently good because they are preferred by the "intelligent."

Statistics like these are easily forged, in the following manners:

1. If degrees are used as a proxy measure of intelligence (as I suspect your "stat" does, since the broad population isn't IQ tested), then support for liberal policies will tend to cluster in those who have spent the most time in liberal academia. Not only do those pre-disposed to being liberal make up a disproportionate number of eternal students (since conservatives get degrees and go to work), but exposure to liberal propaganda displays a distinctly dose-related effect.

2. If we are using a broad measure of intelligence, then it can be said that the most intelligent (i.e., those most able to game the system) would be disproportionately in favor of creating a system which can be gamed. Case and point: Goldman Sachs.

3. Intelligent people, on average, make more money than those who aren't as intelligent. High levels of income and affluence allow one's mind to disconnect from economic reality due to that person's total insulation from the need to advance a system which efficiently produces value. Case and point: The "Limousine Liberal" Classification

Try again.

Beware Liberals bearing gifts. (a) There's ALWAYWS a string attached and (b) they usually bought the "gift" with YOUR money.

Yes, and for the same reason why we should beware criminals bearing free crack.

In each case, the first dose is free, and for good reason.

FWIW, I scored in the 99th percentile on the GRE and the LSAT. I don't buy that academic achievement correlates absolutely to intelligence, but I still think I'm smarter than most liberals.

For one thing, when health care reform is argued, it's always who present the simplistic argument: the government should provide health care for everybody because health care is good.

It is the right, on the other hand, that considers the complexity of the legislation, and what consequences are likely to result from it: the affects on employment, on taxes, the disincentives for doctors to practice medicine. The right-wing, from what I have seen, has engaged the complexity of the challenge. While the left just spouts vacuous talking points.

That should have read, "it's always the leftists who present the simplistic argument..."

I'd like to know what the moonbat messiah scored on his LSATs. Unfortunately, he won't release any of his transcripts.

No, I won't take his word for it. Given his history of adherence to the truth, he'd have us all believing he scored a 181.

Dear Senator,

Health care reform is important, but the way the Senate is going about it is in my opinion: dirty.

Please vote no and let's bring the reform to the voice of the people.

Do you think this bill would pass if "we the people" had a chance to read it? It certainly would not.

Please don't align yourself with those who believe our government is too big to fail.

Sincerely,

Your name here

Guys,
Intelligence is a genetic trait; it is not due to politics one way or the other. Extreme savants are good examples of the genetic basis of intelligence.

Smart people breed with good-looking people. Not-so-smart people breed with anything.
And the genes (woefully), are passed on.

The intellectualism, distinct from a particular IQ score, that underscores a conservative persuasion often comes from a personal search.

Liberals lack the incentive for this search, rendering them appallingly ignorant and incapable of a sense of proportion or justice. The lack of this incentive may be genetic.
But liberals are not as a class, stupid; they are merely deficient.
For example, lacking a sense of humor does not make you stupid, just tiresome, Al Gore.

Actually, within any particular socioeconomic subgroup, the best correlate to intelligence is height. The taller, the smarter.

And before you short people jump on this, remember a fundamental rule of statistics: the mean never applies to the individual.

(V the K: you should be proud; but keep in mind, had you a bad head cold at the time you took the test, you might have scored somewhere like a liberal).

A good example of intelligence, yet deficiency in a liberal can always be found in Hillary Clinton.

At a young, tender, impressionable age, she dispassionately took hours of notes during the trial of a black panther who mercilessly tortured his victim to death--- in order to find a loophole for the appeal process.

Immediately upon hearing about the death of her friend and attorney, Vince Foster, (found dead in a park from an apparent suicide) Hillary ran over to his office to rifle through his files (for something?) before the FBI got there to lock things down.

When the acquisition of power is all that matters, such tenacity throughout a career can only be due to a lack of proportion and justice.

On the other hand, Hillary did have her moments of brightened clarity, such as when she threw a lamp at stupid ol' Bill for diddling the help.

And BTW, as Pamela Geller points out:
"Giving the 911 jihadi mass murderers Constitutional rights and a worldwide platform to preach Islam and radicalize millions in a NYC courtroom is justice"

(my italics)

Hey Anonopussy libs... one question.

With Medicare and Medicaid going broke.... How exactly is funding "insurance" for 14 million more people (I'm leaving out the illegals here) going to help the economy and not cause government rationing of healthcare and long, long waiting periods?

^That was me. Firefox got all screwed up so using IE for the time being until I reinstall the browser.

But I would LOVE an answer to my question still.

Beware liberal demacrats your waterloo is a comming

Still waiting for an answer. *crickets*

ALS, I believe the closest thing to an answer you'll get from the left is that the Obamacrat plan is to force millions of healthy, productive people who don't need health insurance to pay into the system but not use any medical care, thus subsidizing the care of unhealthy, unproductive people.

This is what is known in the progressive left as "fairness."

And, of course, there will massive tax increases on everybody to follow. They are just pretending for the moment there won't be.