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November 29, 2009

Open Thread

Posted by Van Helsing at November 29, 2009 12:30 PM

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Via The People's Cube, on a tip from TED.

Comments

And if you are a liberal, remember to invoke the "Jesse Jackson Rules to Racism."
You can declare anyone, at anytime, anywhere a racist, and you don't even need a reason.
You can use the declaration of racism preemptively: you can declare your opponent a racist before he shows up for debate. Oh hell, just go full bore, declare your opponent a racist before he even enters the state.

Posted by: Eneils Bailey at November 29, 2009 12:42 PM


Also don't forgot if there are a bunch of conservatives around, just pretend that the opposition is using the race card, and all the conservatives will forget any other point of the debate!

Posted by: Brandon at November 29, 2009 1:06 PM


Posted by: Anonymous at November 29, 2009 1:46 PM


I was called a racist...today...because I am not hypnotized by the Global Warming hoax. I found that amazingly satisfying! Their face turned red, they sputtered and hissed and finally said I was "racist". I assume because not believing in the Global Warming myth means I want to destroy the habitat of people of color. Or maybe just because I disagree with B. Hussein. Maybe both!

Some insults are better than others!

Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at November 29, 2009 1:49 PM


And if you're Brandon, don't forget to pop in here every few weeks, lay a few one-line bumper-sticker opinions on everyone, and vanish.

Posted by: Evil Otto at November 29, 2009 1:49 PM


@ Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at November 29, 2009 1:49 PM

A thing to behold, isn't it? lol!

Get this: Before last year's election, I was called a racist also for not supporting Obama, but rather for actually admiring the intellect of...wait for it...




Alan Keyes!

I kid you not.

Posted by: EvilResident at November 29, 2009 1:56 PM


AG Gaston died in 1996 and left a multi-billion dollar empire. He said that anyone could do what he did if they had discipline and motivation.
Gaston was born and succeded in the segregated south and for you liberals, happened to be black.

So let's get this straight liberals: race is a cheap trick you use; it characterizes you.

Race should be the last thing an honest and intellectually-capable person would be screaming about as an evil yet to be overcome in this country.

Posted by: Fiberal at November 29, 2009 1:58 PM


Now the Swiss are being called racists, too. Why? Because they have the audacity to try to preserve their culture by banning minarets.

Well done Swiss!

Posted by: Rob Banks at November 29, 2009 2:11 PM


"Stupid is as Stupid Does: Sir Paul McCartney urges meat-free day to cut CO2."

About eight years ago, I told a liberal that I thought the Beatles were the bubble gum music of the sixties and seventies.
He has not spoke to me since.

Posted by: Eneils Bailey at November 29, 2009 2:16 PM


We've all been called names now and again. If the shoe doesn't fit, you shouldn't worry about it. What grade are you folks in?

Posted by: Anonymous at November 29, 2009 2:22 PM


you don't get it anonymous, they love being called racist.

Posted by: Brandon at November 29, 2009 2:26 PM


Whatever the dubious value of McCartney's causes, I'll give him credit for urging individual action in support of them, rather than appealing to governments to spend other people's money and pass laws pushing them down everyone's throats. He may be a moonbat, but at least he's one of the more benign varieties.

Bono, on the other hand, is in serious need of a face full of fist.

Posted by: Rob Banks at November 29, 2009 2:26 PM


Well, this proves it. We're all racists here. SUPPORTING ALAN KEYES? Don't you know he's a clone, developed by Halliburton (via Cheney / Booosh) to fool simple-minded boobs into believing that a black person could actually think for themselves and be conservative?

Next you'll try and tell me Clarence Thomas isn't a Halliburton operative...

Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at November 29, 2009 2:26 PM


Rally Against NYC Terror Trials

. . . Those opposed to this farcical show are planning a massive demonstration at noon next Saturday, December 5th in Foley Square, Manhattan.

The 9/11 Never Forget Coalition, http://defendourdefenders.org/, consisting “of 9/11 survivors, family members, first-responders, veterans, and active-duty and reserve military” in conjunction with its “partners, TheBravest.com (a site maintained by New York firefighters remembering the fellows they lost on September 11, 2001), 9/11 Families for a Safe and Strong America, and Keep America Safe“ will stage the rally: http://bit.ly/7soYrU .

Foley Square, in the heart of N.Y.C., is accessible by various bus and subway lines.

The rally will be the first, and maybe the last, chance for Americans to be heard in opposition to Holder’s asinine and dangerous call to give Khalid and al-Qaeda what they’ve wanted all along. Within weeks, this crew will be regurgitated on the doorstep of what once was the World Trade Center. . .

(Read the rest at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1348)

Posted by: Berlet98 at November 29, 2009 2:27 PM


And Rob, you're spot-on. If someone really believes in something, and personally works hard for it, then I'm usually OK with it.

McCartney's "veggie" thing is fine as long as it's not going to be a government mandate.

That's the whole point. Cars that use no gas? Electricity from the sun or whatever? Great! Go for it! Git 'er done! Just don't use that as a pry-bar via the government to separate me and my wallet...and give a bureaucracy endless power.

Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at November 29, 2009 2:30 PM


@ Posted by: Anonymous at November 29, 2009 2:22 PM

"We've all been called names now and again. If the shoe doesn't fit, you shouldn't worry about it. What grade are you folks in?"

If the show doesn't fit, then it shouldn't be thrown in the first place. You know, like simply disagreeing with someone of another race.

Oh, and Ph.D., if you're asking.

Posted by: EvilResident at November 29, 2009 2:32 PM


@ Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at November 29, 2009 2:26 PM

Well, this proves it. We're all racists here. SUPPORTING ALAN KEYES? Don't you know he's a clone, developed by Halliburton (via Cheney / Booosh) to fool simple-minded boobs into believing that a black person could actually think for themselves and be conservative?

Next you'll try and tell me Clarence Thomas isn't a Halliburton operative...

Exactly! lol! Another quick instance and I have to leave:

A friend of my sister's was asking me about the same topic, namely Dr. Keyes. When she found out I supported him, she actually said (and I quote):
"Alan Keyes?!? Don't you know that he's not really black, he's just spray painted black!!"

Now, this woman is a total sweetheart and also African American, so I was left baffled at what I'd just heard.

Bewildering, I tell ya.

Take care, all, see ya tomorrow!

Posted by: EvilResident at November 29, 2009 2:41 PM


Aw Evil, we know that names will always be called. Sure, it shouldn't be thrown in the first place, but the world we live in is full of little problems like being called inappropriate names. Some of our problems are even more important than that one.

I still say you shouldn't be so preoccupied with it if its untrue. THere are all kinds of shouting idiots in this world. A few of them are even conservative, I bet. I mean I've never met a red-faced shouting Republican in my whole life, but I bet there are a few of them.

Good for you that you got a degree. I wasn't asking, but bully for you! I only have two lowly B.A. degrees myself. Perhaps that's why I'm unconcerned with untrue insults? Did they teach you indignation in graduate school?

Posted by: Anonymous at November 29, 2009 2:42 PM


It's amazing how many times the left yell Racist at things that have nothing to do with race BUT do have to do with their AGENDA.


"Also don't forgot if there are a bunch of conservatives around, just pretend that the opposition is using the race card, and all the conservatives will forget any other point of the debate!" Brandon at November 29, 2009 1:06 PM


It's a guarentee that if someone has a different opinion than your's Brandon YOU WILL be yelling racist when you are losing. And you will be.
After that the debate is over because once YOU have everyone knows YOU have lost the debate. Right up there YOU yelling with "Nazi". YOU LOSE DUDE. ;-)

Posted by: TED at November 29, 2009 2:47 PM


@ Posted by: Anonymous at November 29, 2009 2:42 PM

Not preoccupied, just annoyed when it's used in an attempt to derail conversations between people trying to solve problems. Other than that, I ignore them as much as I can, it's just that I hate having to re-explain such simple things to adults.

By the way, not a good place to try the Democrat vs. Republic thing,...I'm just sayin' ;)

Posted by: EvilResident at November 29, 2009 2:48 PM


Solving problems? This site and the conversations almost never try to solve any problems of any kind.

Its kind of hard to take this string's message of "we're being called names to distract from the real debate" when the rest of this site is devoted to ... wait for it ... name calling.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 29, 2009 2:57 PM


I was told that it is not racist if you choose to disagree with the half white part of Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 29, 2009 2:58 PM


@ Posted by: Anonymous at November 29, 2009 2:57 PM

Not talking about this site, but conversations in the general public (re: the graphic posted at the outset of this topic).

And I don't name-call, so I can't help you with that.

Posted by: EvilResident at November 29, 2009 3:02 PM


"And I don't name-call, so I can't help you with that."

No you let this site and the other that post here do that for you. You are a regular here and this site thrives on that very thing. The very name of the site is a juvenile insult, albeit an innocuous tame one.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 29, 2009 3:05 PM


@ Posted by: Anonymous at November 29, 2009 3:05 PM

Ah, and you're a psychic as well.

So by not name-calling, I'm actually name-calling because others do. Thanks for a lesson well-learned.

And, by not being liberal in my beliefs, I'm actually liberal in my beliefs. Who knew!

FYI, the very name of this site is a play on the name of George Monbiot

Posted by: EvilResident at November 29, 2009 3:15 PM


And if you're Brandon, don't forget to pop in here every few weeks, lay a few one-line bumper-sticker opinions on everyone, and vanish.

So the point of this bumper-sticker reply to my bumper-sticker reply to a bumper sticker op is that....

Posted by: Brandon at November 29, 2009 3:17 PM


"So by not name-calling, I'm actually name-calling because others do. Thanks for a lesson well-learned."

Your feigned ignorance of the point is cute. I'm not biting. You have a Ph.D. and take my point clearly I'm sure. And You're welcome!

Posted by: Anonymous at November 29, 2009 3:20 PM


So by not name-calling, I'm actually name-calling because others do. Thanks for a lesson well-learned.

and so the benefit of the doubt is left.

when something that someone says doesn't make sense, you can choose to believe you understand them and that they are saying something stupid, or you can chose to believe that you don't understand them and ask for clarification.

I believe this is one of the basic problems of politics, opposing sides don't even understand each other. It's just too easy to blame it on stupidity, ignorance, emotions, or any number of simple explanations.

Posted by: Brandon at November 29, 2009 3:25 PM


Thanks for the info on the source of the name of the site. I was unaware of the man. His Wikipedia entry is an interesting read.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 29, 2009 3:29 PM


This is an amusing thread to be sure. Take a look at responses to me over on the Google/climategate/blackout thread in the context of this topic.

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 3:43 PM


Again, the graphic on that thread is a load. Type in "clim" on google and "climategate" pops right up on autocomplete.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 29, 2009 3:47 PM


Help Please.

Climategate page added – your help needed for Climategate links for creating comprehensive catalogue

Your help needed (to prevent the memory hole effect on Climategate) – Needed: additional outside links. You can add these in comments to the Climategate page which is here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/climategate/ You can also see it on the menu bar below the masthead.

Posted by: AnonymoUS at November 29, 2009 4:08 PM


Gotta hand it to Anon...tried it and Climategate came right up.

Not sure if the story here was a hoax or if it changed in the last few hours on Google. In any case, it's there now.

Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at November 29, 2009 4:19 PM


obutthead's white half is still 100% blithering idiot liberal, so I can't agree with it either.

Posted by: man of few words at November 29, 2009 4:35 PM


The Liberal/socialists above (You know who you are) are attempting to use the "racist" accusation to continue the CULT of victimization. Without "victims", they and their cause become OBSOLETE.

Pathetic. You Liberal/socialists HAVE TO have "inferior" or "helpless" people to feel supperior to or else your power-play comes crashing down around you. That's why you will never think of "minoritys" as PEOPLE, only as PLOITICAL FACTIONS.

Of course, you'll say that you don't think of them as inferior or incompetent, but just ask yourselves this: WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THEY CAN'T GET ALONG WITHOUT HELP FROM YOU OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?

Posted by: KHarn at November 29, 2009 4:36 PM


University of Minnesota to screen, "re-educate", and withhold degrees from teacher candidates whose personal views are not in line with the extreme progressive agenda (alternate link)

Of course, this has been going on within the educational community for decades, but it has never been as open as the new UM policy to strong-arm future teachers into falling in line with an extremist, anti-American agenda based on conflict hustling, identity politics, and unhinged antiestablishmentarianism for the sake of unhinged antiestablishmentarianism.

Progressive indoctrination, disguised in this as "cultural competency", is among the greatest ills facing the American education system today. It should come as no surprise that American students are failing at core subjects and our good jobs are being outsourced to countries with educationally proficient citizens.

Moonbat-occupied institutions like the University of Minnesota are part of a larger progressive faction including the NEA, career politicians, and urban poverty pimps, all of whom are more interested in seeing people remain helpless and dependent on government (or their union bosses) than acquire the skills needed for self-reliance and independent thought. Those skills cannot be learned in a classroom commanded by an affirmative-action teacher spewing vile racism, anti-Americanism, and other forms of accusatory, identity-based progressive politics before a completely captive and impressionable audience.

When House Republicans asked, "Mr. President, where are the jobs?" the apparent, implied answer appears to not include any country whose educators are busy teaching students to discuss gender theory instead of write complete sentences.

Posted by: Anonymous Countermoonbat at November 29, 2009 4:36 PM


Posted by: Anonymous Countermoonbat at November 29, 2009 4:39 PM


Evidently, Lao thinks getting his ass handed to him is funny.

Posted by: Some Guy at November 29, 2009 4:43 PM


What thread were you reading Some Guy? If you want to bring Google/climategate over here then answer me this.

How does Google autofill failing to give "climategate" as an option stop you from getting information on "climategate"?

Answer: It doesn't. When I looked a couple hours ago over 13 million links were noted on a search of "climategate". You can also search for global warming scandal and variants on that as well.

Who uses autofill anyhow? I can type my search term way faster than I can type a portion of it, grab my mouse and scroll to the autofill choice I want. Why bother? This whole Google thing is bogus.

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 4:49 PM


Sorry Pathet Lao, not bogus at all. Google tried to steer anyone looking for "climategate" away from it by excluding it from autofill. After all of the stories and posts on "climategate", Google went with the flow and enabled autofill. So, it's a ticky-tacky point, but it is still a valid point.

Posted by: UpNorth at November 29, 2009 5:26 PM


Hey Lao. This one is a travel advisory (tip) for you.

Uganda considers death sentence for gay sex in bill before parliament

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/29/uganda-death-sentence-gay-sex

Posted by: Oiao at November 29, 2009 5:28 PM


Poor Lao, can't tell between a search result and an autofill, nor victory and defeat. Face it, you were outnumbered and outmatched from the beginning, now you're just making yourself look like an idiot. Countless others on this thread and the other have refuted all of your points, do just want me to parrot back what they said? And you keep coming back after getting beaten to a pulp. Perhaps you're multiple libtards with the same name?

Posted by: Some Guy at November 29, 2009 5:31 PM


LOL! "Tried to steer people away from climategate"???

Explain how this would work. Let's presume I know nothing about this controversy but I heard a rumor and want more information.

What do I type in? "Global warming questions", "climate change controversy", "climate change scandal" every one of them will lead me to climategate stories.

Nobody has managed to explain why "autofill" means anything. Who cares? Typing in the search phrase is quicker than using autofill and gets you to the information. This is a fake "controversy". Give it up.

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 5:43 PM


"When he became president legislation was immediately proposed, in a special legislative session called by Lincoln in July of 1861, to create the taxpayer-subsidized Union Pacific Railroad. "There was no firmer friend of the Union Pacific bill than the President himself," writes Starr. (In contrast, most mainstream "Lincoln scholars" make the preposterous assertion that he had nothing to do with such legislation). The bill was passed in 1862 and it gave the president the power to appoint all the directors and commissioners and, more importantly, "to fix the point of commencement" of the Union Pacific Railroad. And guess where Lincoln chose to fix the point of commencement of the railroad. He "fixed the eastern terminus of the Union Pacific Railroad . . . at Council Bluffs, Iowa" (p. 202). His financial gains must have dwarfed Corning’s $10,000 salary offer. During the Grant administrations dozens of prominent people would go to federal prison for such criminal self-dealing but Lincoln, the ringleader of the whole enterprise, has up to now escaped scrutiny.

In addition to lining his own pockets with this piece of legislation, proving to his well-heeled supporters that he was indeed "one of them," the legislation was essentially the Mother of all Political Payoffs. One hundred fifty-eight of the prominent Northern bankers, industrialists, and railroad barons who had supported Lincoln’s political career were appointed as "commissioners." As Dee Brown wrote in Hear that Lonesome Whistle Blow: The Epic Story of the Transcontinental Railroads, when Lincoln signed the bill creating the Union Pacific he "assured the fortunes of a dynasty of American families . . . Brewsters, Bushnells, Olcotts, Harkers, Harrisons, Trowbridges, Langworthys, Reids, Ogdens, Bradfords, Noyeses, Brooks, Cornells, and dozens of others . . ." (p. 49).

What does all this have to do with Lincoln’s war "to save the union"? The answer is, "everything." The official reason for the war that was given by both Lincoln and the U.S. Congress was "to save the union." But Lincoln inherited no "perpetual union." The union of the founding fathers was a voluntary compact of the states. The states delegated certain powers to the central government as their agent, but retained sovereignty for themselves. Secession was considered a legitimate option by political and opinion leaders from all sections of the country in 1860, as I document quite extensively in The Real Lincoln.

In his First Inaugural Address Lincoln promised that he had no intention of disturbing Southern slavery, and that even if he did it would be unconstitutional to do so. In the same speech he pledged his support of a proposed constitutional amendment that had just passed the U.S. Senate two days earlier (after passing the House of Representatives) that would have forbidden the federal government from ever interfering with Southern slavery. In other words, he was perfectly willing to see Southern slavery persist long after his own lifetime.

But on the issue of taxation he was totally uncompromising. The Republican Party was about to more than double the average tariff rate (from 15 percent to over 32 percent), and then increase it again to 47 percent. The Morrill Tariff passed the House of Representatives in the 1859 session, before Lincoln’s nomination and before any serious movement toward secession. In the First Inaugural Lincoln clearly stated that it was his obligation as president to "collect the duties and imposts," but beyond that "there will be no invasion of any state." He was telling the South: "We are going to economically plunder you by doubling and tripling the tariff rate (the main source of federal revenue at the time), and if you refuse to collect the higher tariffs, as the South Carolinians did with the 1828 "Tariff of Abominations," there will be an invasion. That is, there will be mass killing, mayhem, and total war.

Why was the tariff so important – even more important than the issue of slavery in the eyes of Abraham Lincoln? Because tariff revenues comprised about 90 percent of federal revenue, and if the Southern states seceded they would no longer pay the federal tariff. All the grandiose plans of building a transcontinental railroad with taxpayer subsidies and creating a continental empire would be destroyed, and along with them the political career of Abraham Lincoln and, possibly, the Republican Party itself. The union was "saved" geographically but destroyed philosophically by the waging of total war on the civilian population of the South, a war in which nearly one half of the adult white male population was either killed or mutilated." -- passage from Thomas J. DiLorenzo's The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War

Posted by: AlphaOmega at November 29, 2009 5:51 PM


Wonderful. The left can't mention Bush 2 and you focus on Lincoln.

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 5:55 PM


This is a fake "controversy". Give it up.

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 5:43 PM

No it's not, Laosy. Do you not see a trend here? The liberal dip shit media has been misleading people for years on this issue and now since global warming has been revealed as a hoax the media will do anything in it's power to cover up. Google is an example of what happens when people can't be fooled any more by the media bullshit. They simply put climategate at the top of the auto fill list after people began to catch on. You idiot left wing retards will do anything to save your pink asses.

Face it Laosy you belong to a culture of liars and cheaters. You dipshits do a fine job of discrediting yourselves.


Keep up the good work Laosy because 2010 is looking sweeter everyday.

Posted by: Dave at November 29, 2009 6:05 PM


LOL! I notice FOX hasn't put "climategate" or "googlegate" (laugh!) on their website for two days. O'Reilly, Hannity and Beck are ignoring it. Media conspiracy??

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 6:17 PM


Lincoln owned a great deal of land in Council Bluffs, Iowa since he had insider information that Council Bluffs, Iowa would be the fixed eastern terminus of the Union Pacific Railroad and made a fortune.

Didn't they put that TV/Book woman in jail for a year over far less?

Some go to jail and others get monuments. I just find it interesting that Obama decided to "Do things like Lincoln" and so then we can expect massive corruption if he is being candid. They warn us all about history repeating itself!

Posted by: AlphaOmega at November 29, 2009 6:21 PM


So Lincoln is to blame for Obama? Cool!

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 6:23 PM


It is dangerous to be called racist because it cows everyone. If you are called a racist at work, you could lose your job. If you are called a racist at school, you could be subject to punishment, rehabilitation, and you could be kicked out of school, particularly a university. That is why it's such a potent insult. Because the libs are overusing it, it has lost some of its sting in a political theater, but it is still as potent at work or school.

So, Anon, it is not childish to fear being labelled a racist and it is not an insult that should be thrown at people. As for what grade I'm in, I have two BA's, a MA, a JD, and am working on a doctorate.

Posted by: TrickleUpPolitics at November 29, 2009 6:39 PM


Hoax: Carbon Trading Market could be worth $3tn a year but enthusiasm to place it at heart of Copenhagen is matched by growing criticism of concept.

Carbon trading could be worth twice that of oil in next decade

Hey, with Climategate, Al Gore may not make some more Billions next year.

Posted by: AnonymoUS at November 29, 2009 7:10 PM


Leftist Hero Cindy Sheehan & Code Pink Activists Attack Elderly US Veteran (Video)

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/woah-leftist-hero-cindy-sheehan-code-pink-attack-us-veteran-video/

Posted by: J at November 29, 2009 7:11 PM


November 26, 2009
Dear Glenn,

First of all, congratulations on deciding to become a community organizer for the cause of liberty and prosperity, as reported all over the media recently. You will be a stark contrast to the Marxist in the White House who boasts of his “community organizing” efforts for the exact opposite cause, ACORN-style socialism as defined by its “People’s Platform.” (His nationalization of banks, General Motors, and possibly health care, and his administration’s bombastic, anti-capitalist rhetoric, reminds me a lot of Lenin’s first months in power.)

Glenn, I’m writing to offer a few suggestions with regard to your upcoming community organizing efforts, which I’m sure will attract huge media attention and could potentially be very influential. First, you really need to “man up” those “Five Pledges” of yours, especially Pledges 1 and 2. There you say you are in favor of a balanced budget, and that government should not increase the financial burden on taxpayers “during difficult economic times.”

I certainly agree with the last part of this statement. Raising taxes during a depression is exactly the opposite of what even a central-planning Keynesian would advocate. This only highlights the fact that Obama is not a Keynesian central planner, as Democratic presidents usually are (and most Republicans as well), but a central planner of the Marxian variety. Marxists want to destroy the existing economic system, creating a social catastrophe that they hope will allow them to foment a revolution and consolidate their political power. Keynesians are merely neo-mercantilists who use Keynesian ideology to pull the wool over the public’s eyes with regard to their policy of perpetual political plunder under the guise of a perpetual quest for prosperity....

Thomas J. DiLorenzo

Full: http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo181.html

Posted by: AlphaOmega at November 29, 2009 7:21 PM


O'Reilly, Hannity and Beck are ignoring it

Which is pretty easy to do during the four-day THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY WEEKEND.

Posted by: Evil Otto at November 29, 2009 7:41 PM


Lao:
Glad you took a break from salad tossing to spew:
This is a fake "controversy". Give it up.

Wasn't it last week you said the same about the SEIU/Boyscout? I think it was. How did that end again? I'm sure glad you came here to tell us all about your lernins smart guy.

Posted by: xantl at November 29, 2009 7:42 PM


@ Posted by Anonymous at November 29, 2009 3:20 PM

Your feigned ignorance of the point is cute. I'm not biting.

"Cute"? I've always noticed the head-patting condescension of this way of thinking, it's like clockwork. And the fact that acting like you're being "baited" is also a tactic that's quite revealing. However, read on in my response to your more nuanced fellow traveler.

@ Posted by Brandon at November 29, 2009 3:25 PM

and so the benefit of the doubt is left.

when something that someone says doesn't make sense, you can choose to believe you understand them and that they are saying something stupid, or you can chose to believe that you don't understand them and ask for clarification.

Another tactic, parsing an obvious reply to a non-reply in order to obfuscate and scatter. I illustrated absurdity by being absurd. When he/she Anon pt.1 (Sorry, can't tell without handles) said that while I wasn't name-calling, I was, by proxy, inasmuch guilty because others in my company (now including you) do engage in it. This is what's called a inductive formal fallacy (or Guilt By Association) and, sorry to say, it just won't work on me.

But on to your larger point.

I believe this is one of the basic problems of politics, opposing sides don't even understand each other. It's just too easy to blame it on stupidity, ignorance, emotions, or any number of simple explanations.

Now we arrive at the crux, and something I've delineated here before (almost word-for-word) whilst talking with "Andy{zip code}". We're in complete agreement on this point. I said as much about...oh, a month ago, I believe. Which takes us back to this very point. I understand the entire dance as I, myself, used to be a dyed-in-the-wool liberal and understand this construct so very well.

We're old friends, deceit and I; the old albatross.

Posted by: EvilResident at November 29, 2009 7:52 PM


Oops, bad HTML on my part. Brandon's quote in bold should've gone on much further to the end point of, "...that you don't understand them and ask for clarification."

Apollogies to Brandon, my mind was on particularly brilliant movie at the time ("Regeneration" with Jonathan Pryce).

Posted by: EvilResident at November 29, 2009 8:03 PM


How did the boyscout thing end xanti? The idiot who slagged them resigned. I called him an idiot from the beginning.

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 8:23 PM


This is so sad in light of the failing AGW Hoax.

This is Leftist brains on drugs level of, humor?

There is a very short commercial before the drivel begins.

Al Bore on SNL Video: Sad, Sad monotone of a looser

Posted by: AnonymoUS at November 29, 2009 8:35 PM


Besides, those Boy Scouts are so cute.

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 8:49 PM


Another tactic, parsing an obvious reply to a non-reply in order to obfuscate and scatter.

Above we have another fine example of a failed mind reader. The moonbattery seems to draw this crowd, the armchair psychologists and the intuitives who always think they know the intent behind your words.

Thought is naturally divergent, so the topics will scatter. Just because your mind cannot keep up with the diverging thoughts does not mean that obfuscation is the culprit.

We're old friends, deceit and I; the old albatross.

So where do you find yourself now, on the complete other side of the spectrum, in the middle or do have your own personal theories about it all?

I'm not dyed in the wool anything except perhaps a skeptic.

Posted by: Brandon at November 29, 2009 9:10 PM


That's what got me kicked out of Scouts.

And locked up.

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 9:13 PM


Me, too. Lao, maybe we can chat sometime. wWe can trade "war stories"!

Posted by: Brandon at November 29, 2009 9:14 PM


Also why they won't let me go on "campouts" with them.

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 9:15 PM


Careful, Brandon. We don't want to let on that we're members of AMBLANay.

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 9:28 PM


Grade me! look at me! Evaluate and rank me!

Oh, I'm good, good, good, and oh so smart!

Grade me!

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 9:37 PM


Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 8:23 PM:
Oh, yes he just resigned ?
. Six other high-ranking members of the union have also resigned.

So, 7 in total over a "Non-issue" -- which is what you called it at the time? Just goes to prove, the best part of you ran down your mamma's leg, boy.

Posted by: xantl at November 29, 2009 9:56 PM


I understand some others did resign but, beyond an explanation that they were all on the same committee, no reason for their resignation was given. I predicted at the time that the "story" would quickly vanish. Guess what happened?

By the way, on another thread, J. just accidentally outed himself as my name highjacker. Very funny.

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 10:11 PM


By the way, on another thread, J. just accidentally outed himself as my name highjacker. Very funny.

Yes. I would be one of a dozen or so.

Highjacker? Isn't that a bit melo-dramatic? Have you no sense of humor? lol

Posted by: J at November 29, 2009 10:14 PM


J., I enjoy satire as much as the next guy. I think it works way better if people KNOW you are doing a parody rather than creating confusion about who said what.

Most people understand that Stephen Colbert is not the right wing commentator he portrays himself as, which is what makes his act funny.

I parodied Yardale by calling myself Gregory of Yardsale. Call yourself "Lao" or Loa and go for it. Problem is, good satire is much more difficult than you imagine which is why I rarely try it.

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 10:30 PM


Its because I am a humorless d!ck that no one likes.

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 10:37 PM


Lao: You assume anyone but you cares? Everyone else here seems to thinks you're some sort of liberal cheese dick who is kept around simply to be ridiculed -- in fact if it wasn't for you sockpuppeting as 'anonymous' agreeing with yourself and the insults you wouldn't even be addressed at all.
In short know your role around here.

Posted by: xantl at November 29, 2009 10:38 PM


I predicted at the time that the "story" would quickly vanish. Guess what happened?

Gee, I don't know Einstein? After he resigned and six others "randomly" decided to just up and resign along with him too (stretching credulity even for you.) What kind of story was left when all the union people involved resigned? So don't act like there was some other avenue for the story --you're not a prophet. You're a muppet.

Posted by: xantl at November 29, 2009 10:45 PM


I thought he WAS kept around to be ridiculed. Because he hasn't made a fuckin' point yet in any of his ramblings.

Posted by: Atomic Lib Smasher at November 29, 2009 10:46 PM


Huckabee Has Screwed Himself Out of Nomination

Let this be a lesson to other governors. When you’re soft on crime, you pay in blood.

Posted by: Teleprompter Jesus at November 29, 2009 10:47 PM


Atomic Lib Smasher is your URL correct?

Posted by: Teleprompter Jesus at November 29, 2009 10:50 PM


My role here, xanti, is to point out the utter absurdities of some of the beliefs of the far right.

I ask questions that you can't answer and then laugh when you duck and weave or call me names out of sheer frustration.

I get particularly gleeful when you pat yourselves on the back and say "I won".

For now though, I'll leave you in peace. Night, night.

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 10:51 PM


I still don't get that I am the joke.

But then, if I had a brain and some self-respect, I wouldn't be a liberal.

Posted by: Lao at November 29, 2009 10:54 PM


Posted by: SK at November 29, 2009 11:01 PM


Atomic Lib Smasher is your URL correct?

Posted by: Teleprompter Jesus at November 29, 2009 10:50 PM


It is now. My bad.

Posted by: Atomic Lib Smasher at November 29, 2009 11:05 PM


My role here, xanti, is to point out the utter absurdities of some of the beliefs of the far right.

Posted by Bitchboy at November 29, 2009 10:51 PM

Nothing more absurd than a liberal douche wanting to be kept around as a political pinata here. Seriously man, you get your ass handed to ya almost every frickin' time on every thread, and the best you can do is fuckin' word gymnastics and arguing semantics or whine "they hijacked my name!" (which 50% of the time, I chuckle at to be honest). I haven't seen ya get into a well-reasoned, logical debate where facts and reason come into play.


Oh wait.... forgot for a second, I'm talking to a lib here. Nevermind.

Posted by: Atomic Lib Smasher at November 29, 2009 11:10 PM


The Slain Officers

From the top down: Officer Tina Griswold, Officer Greg Richards, Sergeant Mark Renninger, Officer Ronald Owens.

God Bless them, their families and friends.

Posted by: Teleprompter Jesus at November 29, 2009 11:37 PM


@ Teleprompter Jesus - Amen.

Now, if the other patrons of the coffie shop had been legally allowed to carry.... the perp would not have made it out the front door. The perp might have not even tried if he had know the possibility of many other's rights to carry.

Posted by: Oiao at November 29, 2009 11:43 PM


Posted by: BURNING HOT at November 30, 2009 12:13 AM


Posted by: BURNING HOT at November 30, 2009 12:19 AM


Would you like to borrow my tank helmet, Huck?

Posted by: Mike Dukakis at November 30, 2009 12:46 AM


Amusing Paranoia, Goofy Silliness

“Man doth not live by bread alone.” He also needs some laughs amidst all the dire warnings and true dangers in our world to make that bread more palatable.

Fortunately, mankind being what it is, someone is always out there who will temper the serious with some chuckles, intentionally or not.

Amusing Paranoia: Fidel’s Cuba has long thrived on keeping its slaves paralyzed with fear.

Ever since the Bay of Pigs fiasco when JFK made the mistake of listening to the dovish Adlai Stevenson and refused to furnish promised air support for the Cuban espatriates’ foiled invasion to take back their homeland, Castro’s Communist regime has employed the “fear weapon” to keep his subjects in line.

Why Cuba’s 11 million sheeple would be so terrified of becoming free people again is only explicable by 41 years of Communist brainwashing which has made them virtual automatons.

Che Guevara-less, they labor in state-owned sugar cane fields, sweat on state-owned Cuban tobacco leaves, and toil in state-owned factories, ever mindful that those damned Yanquis will somehow mess with their Utopia on Earth.

Things haven’t changed much since Fidel fell down, nearly broke his crown, developed diverticulitis, and passed the family dictator baton to baby bro, Raul.

Which Castro is responsible for the latest invocation of paranoia is debatable but it’s evident that old time Castroism is still alive and well: According to Reuters, Cuba has launched “war games” in anticipation of “a possible invasion by the United States.”

Designated “Bastion 2009,” the preparation is necessary because there “exists a real possibility of a military aggression against Cuba:” http://bit.ly/7DfMoF

Either Fidel and Raul should get a reality check, or at least buy a vowel.

With Obama residing in the White House and their residing in presidential palaces, the likelihood of an American-sponsored invasion of Castroland is on a par with Obama’s determination to bring about American solvency and to adequately protect the United States.

The Castro tag team should rest easy in their opulent surroundings content in the knowledge that they’re perfectly safe. Under their system of government, all Cubans are created equal although some are more equal than others. And they’re in the catbird seat.

Goofy Silliness: The grand ol’ dame of Democrat politics, Helen Thomas, has been a White House fixture since, I think, shortly after Grover Cleveland ran for his second term. . . .

(Read the rest at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1349)

Posted by: Berlet98 at November 30, 2009 12:50 AM


You're all retarded.

Posted by: Slant-eyed Negro at November 30, 2009 1:03 AM


Posted by: BURNING HOT at November 30, 2009 1:09 AM


Good News: Saudis to Behead "Witch"

I know what you're going to say, that Christians used to kill "witches" too. If that's your position then you should really learn the difference between past and present tenses.

A second objection to pointing this out might be that in areas of Africa and Southeast Asia people are sometimes killed for similar reasons -- accused of sorcery. True enough, but the last time I checked in Saudi Arabia they could mostly read, write, and had a basic understanding that if your well dried up it wasn't the fault of the one eyed guy in the next village over who probably hexed it.

In fact, when and if the Saudis get around to killing this poor man it won't be because he summoned a dark demon to lower oil prices -- that is, his crime isn't in the result of the alleged psychic ability -- his crime is one of claiming magical powers that only God possesses and thus elevating himself to deity.

And Allah is a jealous God, who's infinite forgiving mercy is only overshadowed by his blood lust.

Posted by: SK at November 30, 2009 2:18 AM


Posted by: BURNING HOT at November 30, 2009 3:24 AM


I ask questions that you can't answer
Lao, I'll take that challenge any day of the week - I've seen things smeared on a petri dish with more logical reasoning, and intelligence than you.

I especially liked how you dodged the question about what story remained after the SEUI management seppuku and then proceeded to call me out about not answering questions? My Moriarty, you surely are not.

Posted by: xantl at November 30, 2009 7:59 AM


Ok xanti, since you are in love with the scout non-story, what is the significance of the union resignations?

Posted by: Lao at November 30, 2009 8:50 AM


Lao: Another dodge.
After the resignations what story remained?
You proudly claimed you predicted it would "quickly vanish" like you were some sort of cross between a loose sphincter and Nostradamus (first part accurate.)
So what story remained after all the SEIU members that were involved in the Boyscout decision resigned? Come on baffle us with your clairvoyance again, Madam Sphincter?

Posted by: xantl at November 30, 2009 8:57 AM


xanti, if you want debate, then debate, don't bother with your silly name-calling and posturing.

We are talking about resignations from a union committee in one small city. The scout won as he should have. The union guy who initiated that stupidity resigned as he should have. Win-win.

If you want to try to spin this as a victory for the anti-union side, go for it.

Posted by: Lao at November 30, 2009 9:23 AM


Victory for the anti-union side? Are you paying attention here moron?
Testing, Testing 1 - 2 -3 is this thing on? You said it would go nowhere - it lead to seven resignations then you altered the argument to that it would quickly vanish when in fact it had reached a conclusion that completely nullified the story by the Union members in question resignation.

This is about your claims of clairvoyance and predictions idiot, not about the story per se.

Btw Do you wear a ball-gag, and a leather mask when you post here? You must be some kind of Sado freak to come here and get paddled time and time again.

Posted by: xantl at November 30, 2009 9:53 AM


Your side was playing this as a conspiracy by the big, bad, national union against the scouts. I said from the start it was a small city union guy who screwed up. If his other committee members chose to resign as well, big deal. Next time you go to an anti-SEIU rally carry a sign that says "Remember the Allentown Scout" LOL!!

I understand you need the last word to feel good about yourself so go for it.

Posted by: Lao at November 30, 2009 10:04 AM


I see large words and structured sentences are not your forte so I'll try once again to communicate with you:

You say story go nowhere
Story ended resignations

You say story quickly vanish
Story ended because of resignation

You, Wrong. You, always wrong.

So it wasn't the story, I was commenting on but your idiotic, incorrect as usual predictions.
Simple enough for you, simpleton or do I have to draw you a picture with crayons?

Posted by: xantl at November 30, 2009 10:25 AM


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