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November 24, 2009

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Posted by Van Helsing at November 24, 2009 6:54 AM

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Hollywood Meets Bollywood -The Obama State Dinner for Indian Prime Minister Singh

Tonight is the Obama's first state dinner. I give you a sneak preview.

Posted by: Granny Jan at November 24, 2009 7:13 AM


Whore! Screw America for $300,000! What else should we call you!

Posted by: Dante at November 24, 2009 7:13 AM


FANTASTIC news today.

Not only has Obama moved to his all-time-ever low on Rasmussen's incomprehensible passion index (MINUS 15!!! MINUS 15!!!), he's also plunged through the floors and into the garbage bin below at 45 / 54 total approve / disapprove.

Repeat: Obama at 45 % approval.

Posted by: mega at November 24, 2009 7:45 AM


More lies about stimulus jobs.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDBmNmY5Y2IxY2VhNWJiNTY2OWQ0NjExZGYwNWY1NDA=

Posted by: Judith M. at November 24, 2009 8:18 AM


Detroit's new, gruesome "shovel ready" project: the morgue is full

Once upon a time, Detroit boasted of the highest median household income in all of America. Detroit used to be a booming center of commerce and a pillar to the American work ethic.

How, having been eroded by decades of moonbattery, Detroit has become such an economic wasteland that the city morgue is now at capacity, with a backlog of bodies, that the next of kin are too broke to claim.

Normally, the county covers funeral costs for unclaimed bodies, but it too, has no money for burials.

What else would one expect after enduring decades of attack from progressive rotters? Make no mistake - moonbattery has left Detroit too broke to bury the dead.

The Detroit Teachers' Union's pension fund could not be reached for comment.

Posted by: Anonymous Countermoonbat at November 24, 2009 9:12 AM


The only difference betwen Landrieu and Miss Dina is the price

Posted by: JamesJ at November 24, 2009 9:13 AM


Posted by: TED at November 24, 2009 9:15 AM


Stimulus we can believe in: Schumer, Obama, et al. put NYC in danger to turn terrorist show trials into job-creating, $3 billion pet pork project.

It makes perfect sense. Why else would Schumer not object to reckless governance which might kill some of his constituents should Al-Qaeda resolve to disrupt the trial?

Some of Schumer's biggest union campaign donors most valued constituents will be given good jobs and plently of overtime and hazard pay for this spectacle.

Remember when wasteful, make-work projects were just harmless bridges to nowhere, instead of this shameful invitation to terrorists? Schumer's greed, incompetence, and contempt for the citizenry extends far beyond his desire to shovel billions of their dollars to his hand-picked special interests.

All this, from Charles Schumer, the same guy whose $200k pet wildlife project may have led to the emergency landing of US Airways Flight 1549 in the Hudson River, and whose irresponsible political grandstanding was cited by Federal regulators as having substantially contributed to the fourth largest bank failure in US history.

All this, from Charles Schumer, the same guy who said, to all the members of the "chattering class", of the pork projects in the stimulus, that, "the American people really don't care."

Is this Obama's answer to the House Republicans' question, "Mr. President, where are the jobs?" Apparently, the jobs are in New York, as part of a three-ring judicial circus at which even P.T. Barnum would stare at in stunned amazement.

Posted by: Anonymous Countermoonbat at November 24, 2009 9:16 AM


Posted by: TED at November 24, 2009 9:29 AM


From the Denver Post, via Michelle Malkin: Racial terror in Denver that won't make national news

I think all humans have an equal tendency to be racist (or any other kind of evil; see Genesis 8:21 for specifications from the Original Equipment Manufacturer). But a white guy would think a hundred times before acting on his racism, for fear of total person ruin, while a non-white guy would get carte blanche for it, and therefore has nothing to hold him back in the Age of Political Correctness.

Political Correctness is antithetical to Martin Luther King's dream as the Jim Crow laws were.

Posted by: Conservigilant at November 24, 2009 9:32 AM


Treason we call it becuase judas sold out jesus for 13 peices of gold

Posted by: SPURWING PLOVER at November 24, 2009 9:55 AM


Why Evidence Based Logic Fails at Politics


Basically the facts are too vast and a person's psychology changes how they put the facts together.


The game of chess is a relatively simple self contained system, a game where the desired outcome is obvious, and the consequences of each move can be determined using evidence and logic.


Compared to politics, chess is far more simple. There are far fewer pieces, each piece has far fewer possible moves, and each move has far fewer potential consequences. In addition, there are no gaps of knowledge when playing the game of chess. You know where every piece is and where every piece is allowed to go.


In contrast, political decisions are extraordinarily complex. They have many consequences, including consequences that we can't imagine (Rumsfeld's unknown unknowns).


Now if you dedicate your life to the game of chess and you have a decent memory, you can study the strategic and tactical possibilities of every type of position that arises from the variations of game play. For example, it is said that Gary Kasparov knows over 300,000 opening variations in the game of chess.


Think about that. 300,000 variations, just in the opening moves of a simple game. This is the vastness of facts, if you dedicate your life to chess, you can learn all these facts and use them to win, although in all likelihood you'll never match a computer like deep blue, indicating that your logical process is still flawed.


Chess can be played logically for another reason - few people have strong emotions about specific pieces or types of moves. No one is raised by a family that believes in the Spanish Opening, no one has had a falling out with a church that preaches the Sicilian Defense, no one blames their failings in life on the rook or the horse.


In contrast, politics gets peoples blood flowing. They self identify with political movements. They blame politics for their life's problems.


The ironic thing is that each political group can clearly see how the people of other political groups believe things and make decisions for emotional reasons. But each political group is almost entirely ignorant of how their own emotions cause them to make decisions or form beliefs.

So considering these two problems, the vastness of facts (the evidence for what is, the potential consequences of all decisions, the statistical likelihood of different consequences of each decision, the unknowns, the unknown unknowns) and considering the tendency for humans to have their logic corrupted by emotion, how is it that the people on this site assume that it is easy to know the truth? How is it that you assume it is easy to know the right decision? How is it that you let yourselves become angry so often, when emotion so obviously distorts logical thinking?

Posted by: Brandon at November 24, 2009 10:00 AM


From the Star Tribune: Katherine Kersten: At U, future teachers may be reeducated. (Hat tip: Hot Air.)

Quite obvious what this means, but in case you had any doubts, here's a sampling:

The task group is part of the Teacher Education Redesign Initiative, a multiyear project to change the way future teachers are trained at the U's flagship campus. The initiative is premised, in part, on the conviction that Minnesota teachers' lack of "cultural competence" contributes to the poor academic performance of the state's minority students. ... The report advocates making race, class and gender politics the "overarching framework" for all teaching courses at the U.

Education is the Land of Mordor from which the Marxists coordinate and supply their entire war effort against Western Civilization.

Posted by: Conservigilant at November 24, 2009 10:00 AM


Landrieu is not only a whore, but by her own admission, is proud of it.
The Hell-Care bill provides for states victimized by natural disasters that have struck in the past.

$300mil is a pittance for selling out the country in perpetuity.

But the other issue is what a wonderful windfall Katrina has been for LA and its residents! They can now claim victim status into the next few generations. And where did this all come from? After Katrina passed over New Orleans, FEMA (made up of regular guys) halted briefly before going in due to reports of widespread violence.

Uh....yeah. They just may have walked around New Orleans before Katrina. Just a hunch.

Next to Hell-Care, Katrina victimology has been this country's biggest scam.

Posted by: Fiberal at November 24, 2009 10:01 AM


Brandon, you started out well, with the chess analogy, that was actually great. However, if the bolded portion in the last paragraph contains your premise, you've completely lost your early lead. We never claim to know everything of course, even though we'll weigh in on it, but you do see a bit of quibbling even among the regulars. However, we DO know a whole lot of what's right vs what's wrong, simply by experience. We've seen the right thing done, and succeed, and the wrong thing done, and fail. We know the wrong thing when we see it, because we are able to strip away the lies the leftist media buries everything in. Oh, and we don't get angry, as such; a leftard troll might make enough of a nuisance of itself to get called some names, but we're pretty level headed, generally. Relax, and try to understand what we say and why it's different from what you've heard elsewhere.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at November 24, 2009 10:24 AM


Obama Poll Drops to New Low: 45%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Posted by: J at November 24, 2009 11:00 AM


Joblessness for 16-to-24-year-old black men has reached Great Depression proportions -- 34.5 percent

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/23/AR2009112304092_pf.html

Posted by: J at November 24, 2009 11:02 AM


“Hope Is Fading Fast”: A Devastating Take on The Iconic Obama Poster

http://www.mediaite.com/online/hope-is-fading-fast-devastating-take-on-iconic-obama-poster/

Posted by: J at November 24, 2009 11:07 AM


ClimateGate Totally Ignored By TV News Outlets Except Fox

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/24/climategate-totally-ignored-tv-news-outlets-except-fox

Posted by: J at November 24, 2009 11:09 AM


Obama's casualty count nearly double that of Bush's worse year

http://icasualties.org/OEF/Index.aspx

Posted by: J at November 24, 2009 11:28 AM


Cloward-Piven Government

http://www.examiner.com/x-25466-DC-Independent-Examiner~y2009m11d22-ClowardPiven-Government?

Posted by: J at November 24, 2009 12:40 PM


BLUE DOG DEM CAUGHT ON TAPE– Says He’s OK With Jailtime For No Insurance (Video)

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/so-called-blue-dog-dem-says-hes-ok-with-jailtime-for-no-insurance-video/

Posted by: J at November 24, 2009 12:47 PM


Obama Commie Czar Wants Hannity & Rightwing Websites Censured

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/figures-obama-commie-czar-wants-hannity-rightwing-websites-censured/

Posted by: J at November 24, 2009 12:52 PM


Posted by: Brandon at November 24, 2009 10:00 AM

I knows how to cuts and pastes! Yay!

Posted by: Teleprompter Jesus at November 24, 2009 12:58 PM


However, we DO know a whole lot of what's right vs what's wrong, simply by experience. We've seen the right thing done, and succeed, and the wrong thing done, and fail. We know the wrong thing when we see it, because we are able to strip away the lies the leftist media buries everything in.

Linking your individual life experience to political events is a logical process that has all of the problems I outlined above.

For example say I lost my job and I'm a democrat. Well first I've identified myself as a democrat, so that means I'm biased, so I look to George Bush and the republicans to blame (this is the drunken outlook from a previous post). There is a near infinite sea of facts, so I can find some facts that support this drunk view, I can line them up into a nice story, and believe them.

Now say I am a republican, I can do the same thing, the only difference is that I start off by trying to blame the democrats, so I end up with a different set of facts.

And the people here do pretend that knowledge of truth is easy to come by. Nearly everyone here is a self proclaimed expert on economics, geology, sociology, etiquette, morality, military tactics, diplomacy, medicine - the list goes on.

And there is a whole lot of anger, not from Mr. Evilwrench perhaps, but the condescending, derogatory, antagonistic tone exists here for a reason. That reason is anger.

Posted by: Brandon at November 24, 2009 1:29 PM


And the people here do pretend that knowledge of truth is easy to come by. Nearly everyone here is a self proclaimed expert on economics, geology, sociology, etiquette, morality, military tactics, diplomacy, medicine - the list goes on.

"Easy" is a strawman. It does take a lot of work to come to knowledge of the truth, and I think most here will admit that. However, the way you present this problem, you make it sound like politics should be entrusted to none but a cadre of experts. That idea is as old as Plato, and it was also tested and found to fail in Ancient Greek times.

And there is a whole lot of anger, not from Mr. Evilwrench perhaps, but the condescending, derogatory, antagonistic tone exists here for a reason. That reason is anger.

And why shouldn't there be anger? America is undergoing a series of radical changes that have been tried before and invariably been found to fail, abjectly so, as seen across both space and time, from early 20th-century Russia to our day and from Venezuela to Zimbabwe, yet too many people refuse to learn from experience, thinking it'll work here of all places and this time of all times. A person who's not angry with this situation is either a total, head-in-the-sand naif or actually on the side that's furthering those destructive changes.

The American experiment has been mankind's best yet. Who wouldn't be angry to see America turn her back on the good and tread ignoble paths painfully known to be such?

Posted by: Conservigilant at November 24, 2009 2:09 PM


It does take a lot of work to come to knowledge of the truth

A lot of work watching the news channel that caters to your predetermined beliefs? A lot of work reading books written by authors that share your ideology? A lot of work searching out facts that support your conclusions?

If the people here really understood how difficult it is to find the truth they would not be so condescending of those who have not found the truth.

you make it sound like politics should be entrusted to none but a cadre of experts
No. Experts are not capable of computing the vast ocean of facts, and they are not capable of being objective either. No one is.


And why shouldn't there be anger?

Because anger is destructive. If you want liberals to change their beliefs, you've got to communicate. Calling them 'whores' will only make them hate you or ignore you and cling to their beliefs even more.

Posted by: Brandon at November 24, 2009 2:34 PM


A lot of work watching the news channel that caters to your predetermined beliefs? A lot of work reading books written by authors that share your ideology? A lot of work searching out facts that support your conclusions?

Just how do you know the people here don't do all things? (Learn the opposing view, I mean--that which you allege they don't do.)

For example, I'm a regular reader of left-wing blogs, from the mildly interesting Daily Kos and HuffPo to the downright treasonous CounterPunch and Common Dreams. And I don't think I'm unusual.

No. Experts are not capable of computing the vast ocean of facts, and they are not capable of being objective either. No one is.

So what do you suggest, other than sitting on the fence doing nothing at all for one's entire life?

Because anger is destructive.

Not necessarily. There's this thing called righteous anger, which does nothing more than impel people to action. Martin Luther King had that.

Even when anger is destructive, there are things that merit destruction. The U.S.S.R. did, and the world is better for it (now, if only states would stop trying to implement its failed ideology, Marxism, over and over again...). I agree perpetual destructive anger is a bad thing (look at the Muslims: unable to contribute any positive thing to humanity because of their all-consuming anger), but just as bad is indifference in the face of evil. There is wisdom in the words of King Solomon.

Posted by: Conservigilant at November 24, 2009 2:48 PM


So what do you suggest, other than sitting on the fence doing nothing at all for one's entire life?

When faced with a decision, no decision is itself a decision. So of course we are forced to make a guess. What I suggest is to regard our decisions as guesses, rather than beliefs.

Thought is by its very nature divergent. You can break any system of thought down into an ever expanding tree of divergence. Look at religious denominations, or political organizations, or the branching of philosophy.

Whatever it is you believe can be extended, your thoughts can lead to more thoughts, even lead to thoughts that contradict one another. So even within your own system of thought there is the seed of conflict. The same system that creates the conflict between Christians and Muslims or democrats and republicans will continue until we stop it.

I suggest that the formation of beliefs is completely unnecessary. Further, the formation of beliefs creates a system where beliefs are believed for the sake of the belief, and because self identity gets wrapped up in belief.

I would also suggest that the ultimate course of action should be determined by a democratic system free of propaganda, including the kind of emotional imagery that this site thrives on.

I would also suggest that determining whether you have righteous anger or sinful anger is next to impossible, due to self bias. Doesn't anger work by causing fear in others? If so, do you really wish to manipulate other people through fear?

Posted by: Brandon at November 24, 2009 3:29 PM


Brandon, I don't think even you believe what you're shoveling. There's such a thing as objective reality. We should attempt to integrate that reality as much as possible when we make decisions and when one side continually ignores that reality in its decision making (I'm speaking of leftists, of course), it's hard for those of us who understand cause and effect not to get annoyed.

Posted by: Judith M. at November 24, 2009 3:52 PM


Whatever it is you believe can be extended, your thoughts can lead to more thoughts, even lead to thoughts that contradict one another. So even within your own system of thought there is the seed of conflict.

This looks like very abstract territory, but I'll bite. Short of stopping all thoughts, how can you remedy this problem of conflicting thoughts?

Even assuming, for the sake of argument, that the problem you put forth is really a problem, at the moment it seems to me your solution is much worse.

I suggest that the formation of beliefs is completely unnecessary.

I beg to differ. Life is unlivable without belief. Even that proponent of extreme skepticism, Descartes, acknowledged that at least one belief ("I think, therefore I am") is required in order to prevent us going crazy. In practice, much more than one belief is required.

Further, the formation of beliefs creates a system where beliefs are believed for the sake of the belief, and because self identity gets wrapped up in belief.

Among the opposing views I regularly read is the Comment Is Free section of the Guardian. One of the characteristics of the comments there that struck me the most is how much they try to go by your byline. CIF is full of jaded, cynical, "whatever, like, y'know" lefty commenters. Considering that that ideology is the same that's gripping the United Kingdom on every level, Britain's nightmarish state of decline is thereby superbly explained.

So why not, then? Leave all beliefs, all the things that--though they could well be wrong, and it's our duty to examine them in order to prevent that--animate both the individual and the nation. Then look forward to the inevitable demographic decline and, finally, the takeover of your entire country, culture and self-essence by those who did keep to their beliefs. The wages of fecklessness are death, not just of the individual but of the whole nation.

I would also suggest that the ultimate course of action should be determined by a democratic system free of propaganda,...

Not an illogical request. May I alert your attention, however, to the fact that the problem is slanted to the other side? A right-winger can't help hear the opposing views, because they're trumpeted on every MSM channel except one; it's the left-wingers who are far, far more likely to be stuck in an echo chamber of a singular view.

Doesn't anger work by causing fear in others?

Again, not necessarily so, I think. But then, I'm not a psych major, nor do I play one on TV. I regard psychology as a pseudoscience, so I hope you'll forgive me if I'm less than enthusiastic in either enlisting it to my cause or refuting the claims made against my cause by means of it. To my mind, the first and last and only legitimate source of knowledge about the human soul/mind is the User Manual written by our Original Equipment Manufacturer: the Holy Bible.

Posted by: Conservigilant at November 24, 2009 3:55 PM


Judith, are you saying that you're as good as Kasparov? Do you understand what I am saying? I am not ignoring cause and effect. I am saying if I move my rook, Kasparov could react in thousands of ways, and I can't see his next three moves. So obviously if I move my rook, Kasparov will react, but I would either have to be a chess genius or arrogant to think I know how he reacts. And chess is a simple game. Cause and effect in relation to the economy or just about any other political topic are far more complicated.

To boil this down to one simple question, would any of you have predicted the consequences of the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria?

Posted by: Brandon at November 24, 2009 4:06 PM


To boil this down to one simple question, would any of you have predicted the consequences of the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria?

Most historians are of the opinion that particular event was only a pretext, while the causes of World War I had all been laid out on the chessboard well before the assassination. If that's the best example you can give for your Chaos Theory of History and Politics, then excuse me.

I just still don't see what you're getting at. Beyond the postmodern haze you're spreading, what's your real point?

Posted by: Conservigilant at November 24, 2009 4:11 PM


Life is unlivable without belief.

And you're not alone. Liberals and conservatives both deny me this one. So what would happen if you changed all your beliefs to guesses? Insanity? Try to not think for 5 minutes. If you try this you will see that you cannot control your thoughts. They just keep coming. We all go through our day with all sorts of thoughts that come out of nowhere, and we pretend that we intentionally think those thoughts. That is insanity to me!


Does it not trouble you that if you had been born in Iran, your last sentence would have been exactly the same except the word 'Koran' would replace 'Bible'?

Posted by: Brandon at November 24, 2009 4:17 PM


So what would happen if you changed all your beliefs to guesses? Insanity?

There are guesses and there are beliefs; some are rightly considered as guesses and beliefs, some guesses ought to be promoted to the status of beliefs, and some beliefs ought to be demoted to status of guesses. Which to keep as they are and which to promote or demote? I believe in that old-fashioned concept called the case-by-case basis. It's error-prone, but it's infinitely better than your suggestion of indiscriminately demoting all beliefs to the status of guesses.

Try to not think for 5 minutes. If you try this you will see that you cannot control your thoughts.

No. I can't control thinking, but the particular thoughts that come inside my head are those that were shaped by the experiences of my life (usually: of the current day). Our thoughts definitely don't come out of nowhere.

...we pretend that we intentionally think those thoughts. That is insanity to me!

You didn't intentionally think this before writing. It came into your head. In fact, you didn't write it. Your hand just moved. The world was created last Thursday with all the memories of a history that never existed. You're a butterfly dreaming it's a human dream it's a butterfly.

See where that leads?

Does it not trouble you that if you had been born in Iran, your last sentence would have been exactly the same except the word 'Koran' would replace 'Bible'?

No, it doesn't trouble me, because I've accepted the duty of examination. (I said so explicitly in my last reply.) I'm only at fault if I think my beliefs are right because I was born into them. If I think my beliefs are right because I've examined them and found them right, then I've fulfilled my intellectual duty.

Posted by: Conservigilant at November 24, 2009 4:27 PM


I just still don't see what you're getting at. Beyond the postmodern haze you're spreading, what's your real point?

The 'haze' only appears to be a problem because you like the concrete ideas you have established beliefs about.

What bothers me is that it seems plainly obvious that our inclination to tell ourselves stories about reality has no basis in reality. Almost everything that is important to people revolves around stories - the news, religion, politics, even reality is a story. Just because you can piece a few facts together to make a logically sound thought does not mean that thought has any basis in objective reality. To put that another way, you can justify anything, and people do justify everything through logic. The problem is the human mind can not possibly process all the facts necessary to have a thorough system of logic. When you are missing thoughts or pieces of the puzzle you can't be sure of what to believe. If I can't see Kasparov's rook, or if I don't know how the horse can move, I can never be sure that I am making the right move.

So yes, this is my belief. Because I have emotions and biases, sometimes I have beliefs for a moment, but if ever I look at those beliefs and examine them, I see that I can't really believe them.

Posted by: Brandon at November 24, 2009 4:29 PM


The problem is the human mind can not possibly process all the facts necessary to have a thorough system of logic.

If you mean to say the human mind can't have a comprehensive, from-without view of the universe, then that's old news. The fact that we're not God is something humanity has intuited for thousands of years. Even non-Biblical cultures had that idea: The polytheists of ancient Greece had the inscription "Know Thyself" on their temples.

But from this to the idea that mankind had better dispense with all beliefs altogether?! That's throwing the baby with the bathwater with a vengeance.

...sometimes I have beliefs for a moment, but if ever I look at those beliefs and examine them, I see that I can't really believe them.

Then I don't see why you bother coming here to chide us and offer us correction. Not that I'm telling you to shut up--it's just that it doesn't make sense. You're not practicing what you preach.

Posted by: Conservigilant at November 24, 2009 4:38 PM


btw I've been thinking these thoughts since I was five years old - neither of my parents agree with me about them, so I don't know where they came from, but when other kids were playing with legos or whatever, I was fascinated by the mystery of reality.

Posted by: Brandon at November 24, 2009 4:38 PM


sorry that thought about belief wasn't clear. My only belief is that I don't belief in belief. As Socrates said, the only thing I know is that I know nothing.

I don't claim that this is a new idea.

I think its an exaggeration to say that everything will fall apart if you stop having beliefs. Motivation does not come from belief, motivation is shaped by belief, and motivation can also be shaped by guess.

Posted by: Brandon at November 24, 2009 4:42 PM


Obama Bows Before Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20091118/i/r3100408959.jpg?x=400&y=280&q=85&sig=D34F4tkrlJgAMShzwJxVNA--

Posted by: J at November 24, 2009 4:50 PM


My only belief is that I don't belief in belief.

"The one and only truth: There is no truth." Sounds familiar. Yup, you're postmodern all right.

I think its an exaggeration to say that everything will fall apart if you stop having beliefs.

I know it's not an exaggeration, because I can see it happening. (Recall my Guardian CIF example some posts back.) Thing is, since it doesn't happen instantaneously, but is rather a process that could span a couple of generations, it's tempting to deny it.

"Where there is no vision, the people perish." (Proverbs 29:18)

...and motivation can also be shaped by guess.

Guesses are clinical things; their power to shape motivation, while not entirely lacking, is far weaker than the power of beliefs. For better or worse.

Sorry, but I have to go now, got some urgent things to do. Nice discussion, even if a little on the abstract side.

Posted by: Conservigilant at November 24, 2009 4:50 PM


I think you've got yourself caught in kind of a trap, whereby you consider the acceptance of something as an objective reality to be a sign of a less developed intellect. Some things really are very complex, yet simpler than you're making them. I have two knives here at my right elbow. A butter knife and a switchblade. If I poke my finger with the switchblade, it will start bleeding; if I poke it with the butter knife, it will not. I know this by experience, some of which was, so to speak, easier to acquire than the other. I do not have to pretend that what will happen is unknowable just to puff up my ego about my intellect. Likewise, there are many political actions which have been tried, sometimes relentlessly, and failed every single time. It is not necessary for us to consider that some butterfly effect will shift the outcome significantly enough they will succeed next time. The experience was often gained at the loss of millions of lives, not exactly easy, would you say?

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at November 24, 2009 5:09 PM


George Monbiot, The arch-moonbat himself feels, alas, that Climate-gate is real. Now he's one for a thousand or so. It's a start.


Read it and gasp here

Oh, and Brandon,...
Aw, forget it. I used to know everything too. Then I grew up.

Posted by: The Him at November 24, 2009 5:13 PM


Navy SEALs face court martial for assault for allegedly punching murderous terrorist

But remember, Dear Leader has extended civilian rights to terrorists.

How will this one end? Swift punishment for the soldiers, with the terrorist receiving $3 million and a free pass, amid cheers of "RODNEY! RODNEY! RODNEY!"?

Posted by: Anonymous Countermoonbat at November 24, 2009 5:15 PM


Are Democrats exiting the sinking ship?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Exiting-the-sinking-ship-71628877.html

Posted by: J at November 24, 2009 5:22 PM


Posted by: Anonymous Countermoonbat at November 24, 2009 5:39 PM


Both sides of the pond demand probes into data manipulation scandal

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/23/climategate-both-sides-of-the-pond-demand-probes-into-data-manipulation-scandal/

Posted by: J at November 24, 2009 5:52 PM


Obama’s Science Czar John Holdren involved in unwinding “Climategate” scandal

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17183

Posted by: J at November 24, 2009 5:52 PM


KEN GLADNEY SPEAKS OUT – After St. Louis County Officials Blow Him Off (Video)

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/st-louis-county-officials-refuse-to-meet-with-ken-gladney-after-he-was-beaten-stomped-in-hate-crime-video/

Posted by: J at November 24, 2009 6:36 PM


President Obama and First Stripper Michelle Obama humiliate entire country but, especially, the Prime Minister and first wife of India. Next state dinner: full frontal nudity for Michelle?

Posted by: mega at November 24, 2009 7:10 PM


Among independents, GOP leads by 24 points on the generic ballot

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/24/wow-among-independents-gop-leads-by-24-points-on-the-generic-ballot/

Posted by: J at November 24, 2009 7:19 PM


Obamas welcome guests with curry at state dinner
WASHINGTON – The first state dinner of the Obama White House had it all: Oscar-winning entertainers, Hollywood moguls, a knockout guest chef and even a wardrobe malfunction. Traditional evening gowns vied with saris of vibrant colors Tuesday night at the high-glitz dinner in honor of Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. There were turbans and bindis as well as diamonds and brocades.

"Everyone looks great; we're feeling great," White House social secretary Desiree Rogers told a phalanx of cameras as she arrived, betraying no hint of nerves at the biggest social event of the Obama presidency.

First lady Michelle Obama had been a little more forthcoming earlier in the day when she described the trick to pulling off the event as sort of like being a swan: calm and serene above the water but "paddling like mad, going crazy underneath."

The 338-person guest list was a mix of wonky Washington, Hollywood A-listers, prominent figures from the Indian community in the U.S., and Obama friends, family and campaign donors.

Attorney General Eric Holder patted his pocket as he arrived and said his kids had prepped him with all sorts of questions for tablemate Steven Spielberg. U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice, asked who she was most looking forward to chatting with, ventured, "I'd have to name four." ....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091125/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_state_dinner

Got that folks as the Roman's demand more circuses??

Posted by: AlphaOmega at November 24, 2009 7:47 PM


Are my hands even real?

The colors...

Mrmgphsmakajkakaxskjisa

Posted by: Brandon at November 24, 2009 9:12 PM


Your actions make a difference!
Gap says “pro-Christmas” ad to air this weekend

November 24, 2009

According to Bill Chandler, vice-president of Gap corporate communications, Gap's Old Navy division will launch a new television commercial this weekend which "has a very strong Christmas theme."

Chandler responded to AFA last Friday, after a poll showed 90% of AFA supporters wanted to continue the boycott as a result of Gap's initial "holiday" ad that mingled Christmas with the pagan "Winter Solstice" holiday.

Gap says the new ad will include the popular Supermodelquins proudly cheering “Merry Christmas", and features Christmas trees, lights and ornaments as well.

In good faith, AFA is suspending the Gap boycott until it has an opportunity to view the new commercial this weekend.

As a result of your dedicated actions, we believe Gap is beginning to realize that Christmas is not just another “holiday” and will begin to advertise in a way that is respectful to Christians and Christmas shoppers.

Here is the last call to stand with us and proclaim to our communities that Christmas is not just a winter holiday focused on materialism, but a “holy day” when we celebrate the birth of our Savior. We can do it in a gentle and effective way by wearing the “God's Gift - Merry Christmas” button. Don’t wait! Place your order by December 1 to receive it before Christmas.

Thank you for your vigilance. My prayer is that you and your family will have a meaningful Thanksgiving Day celebration.

Tim

Tim Wildmon, President
American Family Association

Posted by: SK at November 24, 2009 9:39 PM


The Truth Will Out, and Other Lies

“The truth will out,” along with what seems a million other terms and phrases, is credited to Will Shakespeare and, as with so many other wise Bard aphorisms, is generally true. Except when it isn’t.

We’re bombarded daily with news reports, announcements, statements many of which, based on their sheer repetition, become chiseled in our brains as absolutes when they are absolutely false.

Fortunately, usually, the truth will out, will work its way through piles of faleshoods and be exposed for what it is.

Two examples follow:

The Global Warming Farce, aka The Big Lie: A prime instance of truth outed is the long-running charade that is anthropomorphic/anthropogenic climate change.

Those big words, simply a high fallutin’ multisyllabic way of saying mankind did it, is a baldfaced lie which is finally getting exposed.

We have been warned and lectured that man is responsible for global warming/cooling/climate changing for years now and that we had better stop being poor stewards of the planet before said planet eats us up and spits us out.

Environmental radicals . . .

(Read the rest at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1343)

Posted by: Berlet98 at November 24, 2009 11:54 PM


Global warming? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 25, 2009 1:44 AM


The spiritual world can be reached by one who is nirmana-moha.

What does this mean?

We are after designations. Someone wants to become Lord, someone wants to become the president or a rich man or a king or something else.

As long as we are attached to these designations, we are attached to the body because designations belong to the body. But we are not these bodies, and realizing this is the first stage in spiritual realization.

We are associated with the three modes of material nature, but we must become detached through devotional service to the Lord.

If we are not attached to devotional service to the Lord, then we cannot become detached from the modes of material nature.

Designations and attachments are due to our lust and desire, our wanting to lord it over the material nature.

As long as we do not give up this propensity of lording it over material nature, there is no possibility of returning to the kingdom of the Supreme, the sanatana-dhama. That eternal kingdom, which is never destroyed, can be approached by one who is not bewildered by the attractions of false material enjoyments, who is situated in the service of the Supreme Lord.

One so situated can easily approach that supreme abode.

Posted by: Lao at November 25, 2009 3:14 AM


Posted by: TED at November 25, 2009 5:19 AM


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Rather amusing piece

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