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November 18, 2009

Open Thread

Posted by Van Helsing at November 18, 2009 6:51 AM

barney-franks.jpg
On a tip from nancz.

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Stop it, Barneys pothead boyfriend will get jealous if he sees a pic like that.

Posted by: Winston Smith - Ministry of Truth at November 18, 2009 6:59 AM


"They plump when you hook them"

Posted by: Uncle Tom at November 18, 2009 7:10 AM


He broke up with his boyfriend over the raid. Maybe NOW he'll put his teeth back in and speak normally.

Posted by: Sylvia at November 18, 2009 7:18 AM


So Barney is available? Now is the time for Michael Moore to make his move and hook that big purple dinosaur Congressfreak.

Posted by: Winston Smith - Ministry of Truth at November 18, 2009 7:25 AM


Posted by: V the K at November 18, 2009 7:54 AM


BIG bucket please...

Posted by: TED at November 18, 2009 7:58 AM


The Democrat War on the Christian God

“Christian God?” You mean there are other Gods?

Of course not, unless we include the multiple pagan gods, the god of Mammon, the god of Hollywood, Michael Jackson, et al.

We could say the Democratic Party is at war with the Judeo-Christian God, which is the same God, but that construct wouldn’t be precisely true either since their war rarely encompasses Judaism’s Yahweh–nor Islam’s Allah, nor polytheistic major and minor deities.

The reason for the Democrat’s war is fairly obvious: Having devolved into an irrelegious political party catering to a predominantly irrelegious and faithless consituency, Democrats must give that constituency its undivided attention.

Dominated by those who favor elimination of any mention of God in a nation founded on a belief in an Almighty Being, Democrats must ignore America’s history and focus on winning votes from the Great Unwashed.

America’s Left, Democrats, like to harp on the absence of the G-word, God, in the Constitution, suggesting that omission was deliberate and thereby implying the Founders planned on an atheistic nation.

What poppycock!

The issues of God’s “presence” in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and even in the Articles of Confederation are far too complex to be discussed here. I would instead refer the reader to “Where Is God in the Constitution, a FreeRepublic.com article:” http://bit.ly/49OZAf

Suffice to say, neither the Founders nor later lawmakers, and certainly not the mass of Americans, had any intent of excluding God from this nation, except in the minds of today’s Democrats. . .

(Read the rest at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1331)

Posted by: Berlet98 at November 18, 2009 8:19 AM


BARNSMELL FREAK and his cronies who could ever ask for a bigger bunch of scoundrels,fiends,cads and weirdos as well

Posted by: SPURWING PLOVER at November 18, 2009 8:40 AM


Ahh, love it when the voice of the resident failed-3rd-grade fool Plover chimes in with sentence fragments. Keep on reminding us why we think the "conservatives" have the stupid people on their team, eh?

Berlet - you are also a goon. I'm guessing that you think that our currency has always said 'in god we trust', and that the FACT that god is not in the consitiution is ... magic oversight, maybe? But of course both of those statements would be wrong. And further, what IS in the constitution is the separation of church and state. Freedom of religion means freedom FROM religion if we want it to.

"Having devolved into an irrelegious political party catering to a predominantly irrelegious and faithless consituency, Democrats must give that constituency its undivided attention."

Is this the part where I mention that the GOP caters to the flat-earth society constantly? We are 'faithless' because we don't think the answer to every problem is "magic"?

The democrats have very cleverly noticed that the poorly-educated bible-thumping hillfolk are not a sufficient number of people to win elections. You should really be aware too by now... you recall there was a day in November 2008 when the jesus-is-magic crowd lost a big election of some sort?

As religious belief fades from most Americans' lives, you will have more and more to complain about (but fewer and fewer people to complain about it to...)

Posted by: Anonymous at November 18, 2009 8:58 AM


Remember all those ignorant, Bible-thumping hillbillies who claimed if Obama were elected, he would explode the deficit, take over the banks and car companies, bow to foreign tyrants, and lose the war in Afghanistan? What fools!

Meanwhile, Anonymous's supergenius hero Al Gore is claiming the Earth's interior temperatures are "several million degrees." LOL

Posted by: V the K at November 18, 2009 9:06 AM


Ahh, Inspector Fingerdick, we meet again!

Posted by: Karin at November 18, 2009 9:11 AM


Hey Anonycunt, can you point out to us where in the US Constitution the phrase "separation of church and state" is located?

Posted by: Henry at November 18, 2009 9:15 AM


Obama's Job Approval Rating Falls Below 50% in Quinnipiac Poll

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=auhyY3ttpnA4

Posted by: J at November 18, 2009 9:39 AM


"separation of church and state," wherever that term originated, means freedom OF religion, NOT freedom FROM religion.

You know, like Leftists support the right of radical homicidal Muslims and eco-terrorists to practice their faith? American Christians and Jews, by virtue of BEING American, deserve and are entitled that same right. Without harassment or interference.

It's uh, a big part of what the Founders of America wanted: freedom to practice whatever religion you wanted, or to practice no religion. Not having an official state-sanctioned religion like Britain does (the Anglican church) was a main reason why we broke away from them over 200 years ago.

I dunno why Liberals still can't grasp that concept.

Posted by: Nunya at November 18, 2009 9:55 AM


On October 30, President wizard of bows, signed the 2010 Interior and Environmental Appropriations Bill into law. As a result, a much needed and anticpipated wastewater treatment plant for the town where I live has been put to a screeching halt. Twenty three other such projects in Colorado are also been placeed on indefinite hold. A small loophole within the law is preventing these projects from happening. Gee, thanks, Barry. How 'bout takin' a deep bow so the people affected can stand in line and give you a much deserved swift kick in the ass?

The only thing remaining to getting the wastewater treatment plant started was to award the bid to the selected contractor and secure financing. Some of the work had already been completed, such as the access road for construction vehicles. So, as a result, the selected contractor is out a job, the employees have had the proverbial rug yanked from underneath them, any subcontractors are left hanging and twisting in the wind as well. Other states are affected as well. Job stimulus, you say? HAR! Try telling that to the contractors and employees who were depending on this project to provide them with income. I might add that my Congressman, John Salazar-Colorado's third district, (who wisely voted against the cap and trade bill), is a member of the U.S.House Appropriations Committee. He also voted in favor of Pelousycare/Obambicare bill. He was not avaialable for comment. Well, I've got a comment for him. Back to the San Luis Valley farm in 2010, Johnny Boy. Get your sunscreen and your broad brimmed hat and sunglasses, cause ya gonna need 'em.

Posted by: Graycat at November 18, 2009 10:09 AM


Posted by: Karin at November 18, 2009 9:11 AM

What a pompous ass the inspector is, ay Karin?

Posted by: Judith M. at November 18, 2009 10:12 AM


Dean of Harvard Medical School: Health 'Reform' Gets a Failing Grade

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704431804574539581994054014.html

Posted by: J at November 18, 2009 10:22 AM


"separation of church and state," wherever that term originated, means freedom OF religion, NOT freedom FROM religion.

The phrase originated in a letter from President Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802.

http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html

Seperation of church and state is a sound concept, because I wouldn't want to live under a Christian theocracy anymore than I'd want to live under an islamofascist theocracy.

But you are right, it does not mean freedom from religion. Nor does it mean just about anything else that leftists reinterpret it to mean, under their wacko "living breathing document" nonsense.

Posted by: J at November 18, 2009 10:28 AM


"You know, like Leftists support the right of radical homicidal Muslims and eco-terrorists to practice their faith? American Christians and Jews, by virtue of BEING American, deserve and are entitled that same right. Without harassment or interference."

Harassment or interference? The jesus-is-magic crowd want to run everything through the filter of 'faith', remove any sort of 'thought', and reach a conclusion based on 'magic'... "practicing your faith" all too often means "getting in the way of rational people trying to actually solve problems without magic"...

It all goes back to the same tired statement: if our religious lunatics would give up on their stupid 'there's a magic guy in the sky talking to me' fantasy, we would then be in a far better position to tell their religious lunatics that they are insane.

But as long as there are people in America who are convinced that they hear a magic dude in the sky talking to them and telling them to do things (things like stop feeding the homeless unless gay rights are curbed?), then we cannot expect to then look at Muslim radicals and say "well, you also think you hear voices telling you to do things, but yours aren't real. You should stop that".

'Practicing your faith' needs to be done outside of the public sphere. Progress as a species is dependent on removing people who are immune to logic from the decision-making chain.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 18, 2009 10:36 AM


"It all goes back to the same tired statement: if our religious lunatics would give up on their stupid 'there's a magic guy in the sky talking to me' fantasy, we would then be in a far better position to tell their religious lunatics that they are insane."

If the preceding is an example of sound, rational, thinking, I think we may have just entered the Twilight Zone.

Posted by: Judith M. at November 18, 2009 10:57 AM


Judith -

Where is the part that isn't sound?

1) Magic is NOT real, no matter what the religious types think.

2) Our crazies say that a magic man in the sky tells them to do things.

3) Their crazies say the same thing.

If you are allowed to say "magic man told me to" (and actually believe it), where does it follow that they don't get to say the same thing? It might be unfortunate that their crazy is more violent than yours, but it is built on EXACTLY the same foundation: 'magic is real, and magic told me to do it'.

So - remove any sort of 'faith' or 'magic' from all decision-making... and all the sudden we get the right to call them out as the crazy people they are. QED.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 18, 2009 11:03 AM


It's always a fun sport to point out the errors in the nonsensical ramblings of self idealized intellectuals on the left. They always fail to understand, that the leftist indoctrination they receive in today's schools leaves them with gaping holes in their knowledge base. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Let's begin with this distorted misunderstanding:

I'm guessing that you think that our currency has always said 'in god we trust', and that the FACT that god is not in the consitiution is ... magic oversight, maybe? But of course both of those statements would be wrong. And further, what IS in the constitution is the separation of church and state. Freedom of religion means freedom FROM religion if we want it to.

Putting aside for the moment that leftists never cite the mention of a Creator in the Declaration of Independence whenever they parrot this secular argument, or that some references to a god is made in the majority of state Constitutions, the fact of the matter is this argument depends on the erroneous notion that the Founding Fathers were secularists.

But this is like saying that Mesopotamians were Scientologists. The fact of the matter is, modern secular philosophy didn't really begin to establish itself as a major movement until the early 20th Century. In fact, the term "secularism" wasn't coined until 1851 by George Jacob Holyoake. So the Founding Fathers had no real concept of secularism in the modern sense. It is the ignorant leftist who reads the Constitution with a 21st Century mindset who ends up propagating this myth.

The Constitution does not mean whatever you want it to, because as you will find, the phrase "living breathing document" does not appear in the Constitution either. To think that it does is an uneducated point of view.

Furthermore, after Congress finished writing the 1st Amendment, it asked President George Washington to address the nation by thanking God for America's new found Liberties:

http://www.claremont.org/publications/precepts/id.202/precept_detail.asp

But these are things that leftist drones who spend all their time in the echo chambers of their collective hive, have never been taught.

The democrats have very cleverly noticed that the poorly-educated bible-thumping hillfolk are not a sufficient number of people to win
elections.

More incorrect parroted rhetoric. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you use the term "hillfolk" as a dysphemism for conservatives:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/conservatives-single-largest-ideological-group.aspx

You should really be aware too by now... you recall there was a day in November 2008 when the jesus-is-magic crowd lost a big election of some sort?

Yes, the election that Independents won for you:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2009/11/voters-prefer-republican-in-congressional-races.html

Tell me, how does that make you feel?

Posted by: J at November 18, 2009 11:18 AM


It all goes back to the same tired statement: if our religious lunatics would give up on their stupid 'there's a magic guy in the sky talking to me' fantasy, we would then be in a far better position to tell their religious lunatics that they are insane.

This is exactly what the disastrous experiment of the former Soviet Union attempted to do, and it didn't present the Utopian reality that leftists regularly promise those kinds of concepts will. I suggest you read The little Black Book of Communism published by Harvard University Press. It may cure you of these kinds of delusional fantasies.

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Book-Communism-Crimes-Repression/dp/0674076087

But as long as there are people in America who are convinced that they hear a magic dude in the sky talking to them and telling them to do things

Yes, I'm a fan of George Carlin too.

Progress as a species is dependent on removing people who are immune to logic from the decision-making chain.

If this is the case then all leftists should be removed. They are an irrational hyper-emotional demented bunch as is evidenced by the abject horror inflicted upon humanity by history's leading leftists; Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Chavez, Hitler, Che, etc.

And let's be honest, nothing is more magical, than believing in the false religion of man-caused Global Warming. It has all the reality of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Posted by: J at November 18, 2009 11:28 AM


Your whole line of thinking was unsound, anon. I'd say it was a trainwreck, but it was more like a plane crash, because it was hard to identify even small shards of coherent thought. Nevertheless, I'll try to show you a few obvious places where you went wrong.

1. Christians do not believe Jesus is "magic", they believe he is God, and far from telling people to kill, he's far more likely to tell a person to sacrifice him or herself for others if he does in fact address a person directly.

2. Most orthodox Christians believe that extreme care must be exercised when one thinks God is "telling them to do something" because the tendency for self deception is extremely strong within mankind.

3. In the excerpt of yours I posted, you said that all Christians are crazy, but if Christians stopped acting crazy, then they could tell the crazy Christians to stop acting crazy. Does this honestly make sense to you? If it does, you should put the bong away for a couple of days to clear your head.

Posted by: Judith M. at November 18, 2009 11:34 AM


I think Anon ran back to his collective hive to get their consensus on how to respond to me. Give him some time.

Posted by: J at November 18, 2009 11:53 AM


Why would anyone want to put one of those in their mouth. You never know where it's been!

Posted by: obozo at November 18, 2009 12:05 PM


Progress as a species is dependent on removing people who are immune to logic from the decision-making chain.

So, when do we start shooting Global Warming true believers?

Posted by: V the K at November 18, 2009 12:11 PM


Judith -

1) If you think Jesus is God, then you believe the hype, and you DO believe in magic. Virgin birth, talking snake in a tree, the whole shebang. Rational people do not think the world is 4000 years old and involved talking snakes.

2) No kidding. Self-deception is exactly what religion is, in a nutshell. And if we don't call out ALL people who use religion as the basis for their decisions, then the Muslim loonies get to keep saying exactly the same thing you do: "I hear voices that tell me to do things".

3) I said that all religious people are crazy. Not any specific subset. But one final time: the mindset is the same. Call it Jesus, Mohammed, or Odin... its all the same crap. Either you are responsible for your own life and your own actions, or there is something magic in the sky that is in charge. When the sane people of the world world finally get through their collective head that we need to treat all religion as a mental illness and embrace scientific reality, we can finally make progress against the truly horrible religious people like the Islamofacist types. How? By making the distinction between that which is real, and that which is NOT real.

Pretty simple. Just disengage that part of your brain that takes dogma and faith as tangible things. The rest of your brain can be used to think about things; when you don't have 'prayer/magic/faith' as an option... you actually have to engage the useful parts of the brain.

J -

'because as you will find, the phrase "living breathing document" does not appear in the Constitution either"

Um, the "amendment process" was built in by those same Framers. They KNEW that it must be allowed to change as time and society changed. Your argument is infantile and based entirely on an erroneous presupposition. Are we surprised? (We aren't...)

As far as your polling... irrelevant. I can find just as many pointless polls that say the exact opposite, if you really give a shit.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 18, 2009 12:23 PM


VtK -

GW True Believers are just as stupid as the rest of the 'decisions based on Faith' crowd. Same stupid mindset.

But at least their plans mostly involve granola, hemp, and solar power. Not too many suicide bombers strapping it on for CO2... but you are correct. Same failure-to-use-brain issues as any other religious people.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 18, 2009 12:26 PM


I just want to compliment the Barney Franks package art work, good job! Barney sucks! This isn't just speculation, it's his lifestyle.

Posted by: Anon at November 18, 2009 12:33 PM


Um, the "amendment process" was built in by those same Framers.

What does that have to do with the cost of bean salad in Singapore?

The Amendment process is just that, a process. It in no way means that the Constitution can be interpreted in any way.

This is why the Founding Fathers purposely designed our government to be cumbersome, and difficult to get anything done. So that the rule of law as presented in the Constitution would prevail against the shifting winds of the fashionable thought of the day, and the mob rule presented in pure Democracies.

They KNEW that it must be allowed to change as time and society changed.

Really? Tell me, how many works written by the Founding Fathers have you read exactly?

Your argument is infantile and based entirely on an erroneous presupposition.

And what is that erroneous presupposition exactly?

Are we surprised? (We aren't...)

There's more than one of you in there, Gollum? lol

Posted by: J at November 18, 2009 12:36 PM


As far as your polling... irrelevant. I can find just as many pointless polls that say the exact opposite, if you really give a shit.

Yes, I do give a shit. May I see them please?

Not too many suicide bombers strapping it on for CO2

Apparently you've never heard to Environmental Terrorism. You may want to give this a read:

http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a789423112

Posted by: J at November 18, 2009 12:40 PM


Dems finally notice flight of independents

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/18/dems-finally-notice-flight-of-independents/

Posted by: J at November 18, 2009 12:46 PM


anon is so full of hatred it doesn't even recognize it takes just as much FAITH to believe there is no God as to believe there is a God.Now stand back everyone as anon's head explodes.

Posted by: Farmer Ted at November 18, 2009 1:02 PM


1) If you think Jesus is God, then you believe the hype, and you DO believe in magic. Virgin birth, talking snake in a tree, the whole shebang. Rational people do not think the world is 4000 years old and involved talking snakes.

2) No kidding. Self-deception is exactly what religion is, in a nutshell. And if we don't call out ALL people who use religion as the basis for their decisions, then the Muslim loonies get to keep saying exactly the same thing you do: "I hear voices that tell me to do things".

3) I said that all religious people are crazy. Not any specific subset. But one final time: the mindset is the same. Call it Jesus, Mohammed, or Odin... its all the same crap. Either you are responsible for your own life and your own actions, or there is something magic in the sky that is in charge. When the sane people of the world world finally get through their collective head that we need to treat all religion as a mental illness and embrace scientific reality, we can finally make progress against the truly horrible religious people like the Islamofacist types. How? By making the distinction between that which is real, and that which is NOT real.

Pretty simple. Just disengage that part of your brain that takes dogma and faith as tangible things. The rest of your brain can be used to think about things; when you don't have 'prayer/magic/faith' as an option... you actually have to engage the useful parts of the brain.

These are the kinds of diatribes oftentimes regurgitated by unemployed comedians on daytime talk shows, but it's really such a simplistic view of religious faith.

True, many folks believe in the literal dogma of their chosen faith, but many others believe in such things as metaphors for larger ideas.

But to say that in order to make islamofascists stop their violence that all of humanity needs to stop believing in a higher power is a preposterous notion. Atheism and secularism is one of the very things that many islamofascists rail against.

Furthermore, there was a time in Earth's history when the Christian religion engaged in atrocities such as the Inquisition, the Crusades, the Salem Witch Burnings, etc. With the exception of a few lone crackpots, the religion as whole has grown out of engaging in these activities. In fact, the Vatican just held conference on the possibility of extraterrestrial life and concluded that it is highly possible for it to exist, a thought that would have had someone burned at the stake a few centuries ago.

In fact most religions of the world are not at war with one another. Only Islam it seems, is intent on maintaining its medievalism.

Additionally, there are certain geometries such as the Golden Mean, the Golden Spiral, fractals, the Mandelbrot set, etc., that are found repeated throughout physical structures in nature. Repeating structural geometry is something that has traditionally been associated with artificial constructs, or things that are designed.
So there are some who argue that the concept of a god or a spiritual reality can be pursued with logic, reason, and with the use of the Scientific Method.

Posted by: J at November 18, 2009 1:15 PM


"1) Magic is NOT real, no matter what the religious types think.
"Posted by: Anonymous at November 18, 2009 11:03 AM"

Tell us why you hate Wiccans, you crummy bigot.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 18, 2009 3:14 PM


I am totally convinced. Islam = Christianity = Religion = Bad.

You see Methodists doing suicide bombings, you see Baptist churches doing stonings of women, Episcopalians and Catholics beheading non-believers, Presbyterians genitally mutilating young women, Pentecostals launching missiles into Israel, and Seventh Day Adventists flying planes into buildings all the time.

Anonymous, you are a complete fuckstick.

Posted by: SK at November 18, 2009 9:06 PM


JESUS is Lord. Period.

Posted by: apostle53 at November 19, 2009 4:15 AM


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