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This was bound to happen.

On a high note, however...

Using the same logic:
The shooting at Ft. Hood was the fault of Hilarity CLinton.
If Hasan had not been radicalized by the War on terror-

The War on terror would not have happened if the terrorists did not fly planes into the WTC -

They would not have flown the planes into the WTC if Clinton had been more focused on his job instead of getting a Lewinsky-

Clinton would not have been distracted by giving his staff oral direction if Hilary was nicer.

Makes just as much sense as BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) for the Hasan shooting. Guns don't kill people, extremist Muslim Jihadists being covered by PC do. One simple profiling could have solved this, Muslim hothead preaching hatred for America and love of suicide bombers.

So what if "George Bush made many people around the world feel like this was a war against Islam"?

Islam has been waging war against the West long before Bush ever gained any political power whatsoever. Bush simply had the guts to reciprocate radical Islam's declaration of jihad against the west.

Bush said what every leftist so desperately didn't want to hear: It's the jihad, stupid.

Someone should shove that jerks microphone down his throat

Surprisingly, I found that the DU was not 100% behind this idea. It's spotty and hard to find, but some of the DUmmies were clear-thinking over there. Of course they hate all religion, but just sayin'.

Blaming Bush for everything is old news and only the most hardcore moonbats still believe this, and those are the ones who will cling to Obama even if he delivers them a ton of hot shit on their front yard everyday. No, the mayor's response is laughable. Gun control laws.... IN A MILITARY base? Is he just out of his mind?

"I wonder... if the Fort Hood shooter had been a White Supremacist, if he had belonged to a radical White Supremacist group, if he had sent emails to the leaders of White Supremacist groups, and if he had shouted "White Power" while shooting his victims... would the Progressive Left still be saying, "Oh, you can't blame an ideology for the actions of one person?""

Conservatives would have, that's for damned sure. If of course, you're not Glenn Beck and say being a nationalist like white supremacists are is a leftist thing, or if you're not Sean Hannity and act as though nothing happened and say nothing about it even though it is the top story of the day, hell the week. All we have to do is point to the Holocaust Museum shooting for that.

It isn't just Islam to have declared war on America, it the American left as well.

While the right wants to continue with the illusion that we just have a friendly "agree to disagree" state of affairs with well-meaning liberals, and while apolitical Americans are hopelessly clueless, the real difference between the right and left in practice has become a matter of life and death, respectively.

Fiberal, to think "the left declared war America" is likely the most idiotic thing you have said. Bush, Congress (including Obama) could all be blamed for how many Muslim Americans perceive the war on terror. Many on the right spent time in the early goings of this debacle declaring their passion for God, while the jihadists declared their love for Allah, then you get Bush stating how "God wants the Iraqis to be free". Yeah, that can perceived as a holy war to some foolish folks.

It is a foolish war on terror, you cannot successfully declare war on a tactic. Also, the biggest blame for Hasan's actions could be put on the FBI and the Army for clearing hm after facts were revealed that he picked a side. Stephanie also stated, that our military has also been in a deep need of bodies to fight this quagmire. Nice to see you leave that out.

You foolishly leave out the fearmongering of Beck and Limbaugh. You state that "the American left as well." declared war on America. Couldn't the same be said of the fringe right? You say nothing of the Marine Reservist who attacked an Orthodox Greek Preacher in Fl. because he thought he was Arab. You ignore that, that it does not play into Monnbattery's conspiracy and fear fest.

"Anonymous Countermoonbat at November 11, 2009 8:29 AM"

islam has been at war with THE WORLD for over a thousand years; we just didn't notice untill 2001.

"Fiberal at November 11, 2009 10:57 AM"

TRUTH!

The Bush Derangement Syndrome gets even better.

Will There Be A Push To Torture Nidal Hasan?

If you want to learn who I really believe are the TRUE heroes, then you will Google the following great men:

Marx
Lenin
Stalin
Hitler
Mao
Che
Castro
Mugabe
Chavez

Because THEY are the ones I honor every day and I can't wait until all you Jesus loving, flag waving, law abiding , faithful to your wives, talk radio listening, US Constitution reading freaks get on a box car to Obama's Koncentration Kamps for the FINAL SOLUTION.

WTF is this "Stephanie?" And by any chance, did "Stephanie" ever happen to be named "Stephen?" You know how liberals are.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

Just soften the first word to something like "Opposition," and you've got the DNC platform for the next election.

Pardon a duplicate post from another thread.

It's pretty obvious that I'm a thorn in the side for some of you. I try to stay calm and reasonable, I never use profanity, I try to back up my points with links and with logical, reasoned argument. I also use mockery, mainly because it's the best response to some of the over-the-top stuff that gets posted here.

Of course, the self-righteous right hates being laughed at and many simply don't understand satire. Those who are unable to refute what I say are utterly freaked out by this. If they don't have a handy talking point they got spoon-fed from Fox or Rush, they start to lose it. So they resort to the only tactics they know. They call me profane names or they highjack my name to try to discredit me.

Regulars here, familiar with my usual discourse, can detect quite quickly whenever my name has been ripped off. Note the latest attempt at 12:56 here. To their credit, some on the right have denounced name highjacking and I appreciate it.

It would be quite simple for me to revert back to "anonymous", but I am willing to take responsibility for the opinions I post here and to be legitimately held to account if I stray from the facts.

As you can see, I had not even contributed to this thread and still someone highjacked my name. This is happening fairly often and I don't read or contribute to every thread. Bear that in mind if "Lao" seems to say something that feels "off".

Posted by Wellstoned at November 11, 2009 12:31 PM

Thanks for pointing out that this post is the "most" idiotic thing I've said.
I may be onto something.

But you sir, are in luck; its lunchtime here on the yacht.

Suppose we lay out a hypothetical scenario.

First of all, internal revolutionary conflicts are caused largely by people who differentiate themselves in terms of ethnicity, religion, geography or other socioeconomic factors.
They are interested in assuming power and in taking control of their country. To do so they are willing to implement massive changes to existing government policies.
Inevitably, violent conflicts start to develop when change occurs suddenly. The violence of the conflicts are sustained and organized. They have support.

Conflicts arise internally and there are outside interests ready to enact a large-scale foreign financial and militaristic investment in those conflicts.
The side willing to implement changes (call them the Revolutionists) will set the groundwork for these high intensity conflicts through prior work in organizing to change the system more and more to meet new cultural demands. Such change will be accomplished firstly by enacting new laws. Attempts will be made to change the economics of the established system. Revolutionists will need to create a loss of supply and deprivation, to shift wealth and consequently power around. Suppression of the ability of the existing government, and defensive arms of that government, is needed so that reaction to subtle and/or overt changes becomes impossible.
The Revolutionists become more consolidated through ideology and a common sense of purpose. You must break eggs to have an omelet.

Reaction to ever-intensifying civil conflict becomes more difficult for the established order. Rioting occurs.

More and more conflicts come about and more and more people begin to take sides, galvanized by their respective grievances.

Ultimately, territorial annexation is contemplated by the Revolutionists. This sets the stage for an uncontrolled influx of people that do not seamlessly integrate, or in some cases, sudden out and out invasion takes hold.

The existing culture, religion, customs and general way of life change dramatically. Independent and underground economies form, allowing groups to become more distinct from the host country population. Aid to newcomers is legislated. An indifference of the original or traditional legislative government occurs.
Sides become evermore galvanized by vastly intensified conflicts that escalate in intensity and frequency. Large factions square off in the streets.


Private police and paramilitary forces come into play as centralized government becomes more and more useless. The original economic system deteriorates and collapses completely.
Civil fragmentation and confusion sets the stage for foreign, full-fledged militaristic intervention. Foreign countries pledge support to either side.
No compromise is found due to the semi-established and destabilized territoriality held by different groups.

Different groups consolidate in order to obtain financial support and arms from foreign governments.

Finally, war is declared.


Okay, so a bit hyperbolic. But you notice (well probably not) that this scenario is a general outline of the cumulative history of civil wars.

Lao, I am finding many here agree with the few liberals around this site that the namejacking is defeating the purpose of debate and childish. It is self defeating. I have few allies here, and it's us who get it. That said, hopefully Helsing, Gregory, or Dave join us in weeding the individual out. They have a successful blog, while mis-directed, it should be treated for it's accomplishemnts. I believe there are enough decent voices here to call that person out. Before anyone yells "rat", I am simply saying a collective chorus would do the trick.

Fiberal, nice cut and paste job there. That said, I am not at war with you, or our country. Neither is anyone I know. We are worlds apart on policy and ideology. We want what's best for a divided country, how we achieve that is up for debate. I am more than willing to defend my beliefs without calling you the enemy of America, but I am going to call you on fearmongering.

I am more than willing to defend my beliefs without calling you the enemy of America

The Rosenbergs couldn't have said it better.

Actually, I take that back. Julius Rosenberg did say it better:

I am in favor, heartily in favor, of our Constitution and Bill of Rights and I owe my allegiance to my country at all times.

Hell, if you take his words at face value, Julius Rosenberg looks more patriotic than Ghost, or Obama for that matter.

I love the liberal baby killer and the liberal anti-American posting here and trying to lecture any of us about morality or ethics.

FOAD.

Wellstoned:

Here's a little more hyperbole, but that seems to be the only way to cope with you.

You may not think you are at war with America, but you join a movement that foments a deadly revolution based on envy, greed, ignorance, platitudes, cheap rhetoric and misinformation.

You are part of a movement that desires to pick and choose other people's freedoms. You petition for power and align with power in order to advance what you think is correct. You are part of an active movement that prides itself on its callousness. You cannot reference human misery without sentiment. You cannot reference human misery. You are overly concerned with race, sexuality, virility, your perceived entitlements and petty appetites.

You giggle.

You do not understand the necessity of honesty. Your thoughts are narcissistic, vague and lazy. You will not achieve satisfaction from life and you wait for someone else to bring it to you.

Your movement enables political correctness that leads to repression, fear, destruction and death.


You might ask yourself: where would you fear to walk in your city, what words can you not say, and how many people do you know, maybe yourself, who take pride in the advancement of a group. What are the official restrictions placed on your ability to protect your life and your family's that you respect?
Why are you jealous of wealth, why are your earnings (well, your parent's earnings) appropriated at the point of a gun (because if you don't pay what you're told, they will eventually come after you).

Why haven't you grasped the enormity of the freedoms the world momentarily glimpsed under Ronald Reagan.

Why did your kind forget about the falling man so soon?
Why are we facing another depression - in this day and age?

Here's a clue to the last one: think about how government justifies taking a man's money.

And BTW why do liberals have no sense of humor?

Taken together, most of these things should not be problems in our enlightened age, because there are solutions to every one of them.




As for your accusation of fear-mongering, you should be afraid...be very afraid.


That reminds me, the previous was extemporaneous, as was this posting, and not "cut and paste".. although some of the same letters were used.

"Fiberal at November 11, 2009 5:49 PM"

The Goat throws a rock and gets burst of machinegun bullets in return!

Posted by: Goatse O'Wellstoned at November 11, 2009 2:08 PM- "...I am not at war with you, or our country. Neither is anyone I know."

Liar. You are a self-confessed Socialist Party supporter/member. So are your comrades. You and your fellow communists have a long history with the Socialist International. Your "ideology" is based on Marxist Leninism, and Trotskyism has been a major driving force since the get go. You use the concept of "War" deceptively, when engaging non-diseased humans. You oppose capitalism. Your Party of s***, your "ideology" of s***, "oppose" war "between nations", as it divides the proletariat. Your motto is "Worker's of The World Unite". You fully embrace war, and your fellow feco-fanatics are currently waging it. You consider Civil War, in all it's forms, as a legitimate means of Class Warfare. This is, to socialists, "Progressive War". War is flexible to socialists. It matters not whether it is armed insurrection, or post-Leninist "soft destruction", of culture, families, nations or institutions, the object is conflict between "oppressed" and "oppressors", and to replace the hated current system with a fully marxist one. Your s*** movement will switch from "soft" warfare, to "hard", when it is expedient to do so. Casualties, and destruction of society is of no consequence to International Socialists like yourself. Anything goes, in the name of "Progressive War". You disgust me, you lying maggot.

What the Chairman said.

Chairman, I'll buy you a beer anytime!

Funny, how a number of you understand debate, while not well, but it works. And then you have over confident hacks and cheerleaders like Jay, kharn, and chairman.

Fiberal,
You take to some figment of your imagination that I live in my parents basement, whatever. It is tired rhetoric, and rather spent. You seem to think people want the right-wing to give their earnings. Not true, it is a falsehood embedded in your head by tools like Jay. You need to recognize that the economic system built by the likes of Friedman and Greenspan have left an unequal playing field. You call it Communism, I call it for what it is...fraudulent. You assume that I have no knowledge or respect for the memory of Reagan. I actually see many things in common between he and Obama. Both witnessed a huge unemployment crisis left behind by the prior two Presidents, both are/were smart, yet one was only left with two wars. Believe me, I have my issues with Obama, they are not nearly as petty as the lot of you.

Fiberal, you state that I should be afraid, correct? Of what? I am American, I love this country, but feel we have left some things unattended, especially our own citizens. I am as afraid of your ilk as I am Al Qaeda...very little. Your blip on taxes and Government, how do you expect to pay for a civil society?

I will debate these issues with you. The snot nosed crap of your friends like Jay. No thanks. For this site, you make my Dave and Judith list.

Did you get those nude pics I sent you of myself, Ghost? I got yours and WOW! I didn't know that a man's thing could actually be concave!

When a hen clucks she has laid a egg when miller clucks its just to make noise

9:17 is a name highjacker. This is the 3rd thread I have found where this loser has done this so far this evening.

Oh! I might have found others but I have been too bust auto erotically asphyxiating myself to F911 and Obama pecs!

Again, I ask those who agree that "namejacking" is self defeating n a debate to join the few liberals here to, at the the very honor a successful blog and tell them to knock it off. While many will never agree with Lao, Aqua or myself, have the decency to give the blog itself a little credit.

9:37 also highjacker obviously.

Actually, I am Ghost of Wellstone. Lao is just a sock I use.

I am American, I love this country, but feel we have left some things unattended, especially our own citizens.

Oh yes. We have left some things unattended. But the time for attending to them is coming, and that right soon.

The sad part is that you can't muster a more passionate and convincing impression of patriotism than that cocksucker Julius Rosenberg, a traitor par excellance, who sold out this country just as you're doing.

Wellstoned.

As I was writing that piece, it actually did occur to me that metaphor may be lost on you, since of course everything is about you personally.

Read it again and try and shelf yourself for a few moments; its written to describe the template and conditions which characterize the ignominious and dangerous movement to which you are happily aligned.

Let's try it another way:
Daniel Henninger writes in the WSJ this morning that (and I'll parapharase):

After 9/11, the battle (with liberals) never stopped;
Over:
The details of the Patriot Act
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act

GITMO
waterboarding
renditions
secret prisons
Bush-Cheney.

Similarly, Carl Rove points out that liberals tried to unionize the operations of HomeLand Security.

Keep in mind that none of these efforts by the left were in support of tighter operations. I would add that the ACLU and muslim groups came out immediately after 9/11 to teach individuals how not to cooperate with the authorities if they were questioned. Keep in mind the efforts to loosen security, to try and weaken resolve and to subordinate an anti-government movement in the time of wanton terrorism, can and does result in the deaths of innocent American Citizens.

Alright, that's it. Now re-read the 3 posts here, sit down in front of one of the local Mosques popping everywhere and come back and tell me just how it is that the left isn't at war with their own country.

Here's another lovely piece:

Radical Muslims are lauding the election of BO.
Siraj Wahhaj, an unindicted co conspirator in the 1993 WTC bombing case (i.e., his lawyers got him off) congratulated BO writing that "We pray that Allah, Most High, will purify Obama's heart, [and] guide his actions and policies...Furthermore, we encourage American Muslims to engage in forging an agenda and shaping the future of our (your) society."

The creep's meeting with Mayor Bloomberg "America's City" today.

Oh noooo... the left just has America's best interest at heart; liberals only want to "open your mind".

Yeah, well that and an ambulance will get you to the morgue.