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Based on the rules of criminal procedure, how can we expect an "impartial jury of his peers" to be seated in such a case?

It's impossible and the most ridiculous legal decision I've seen in my entire life. This one trumps the OJ debacle by a million miles.

They might as well open the doors and let 'em all out right now.

"If Khalid Sheikh Mohammad's next masterpiece involves a mushroom cloud, there may come a day when people are torn apart by angry mobs on mere suspicion of having supported the traitors who are doing this to our country."

LOL! I haven't laughed so hard in a while. YOU THINK THE GREAT AMERICAN WHITE WIMP IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING?

Ha ha, hee hee, ho ho!

HAS THE GREAT AMERICAN WHITE WIMP EVER STOOD UP AGAINST ANYTHING?

Look at the current state of this nation. Look how many white women are raped each year by other races. Nothing is done about this!

Thanks for the laugh!

Come on guys. Treating them like common criminals is exactly the right thing to do here.

No special circumstances. No political dimension. No chance for the crazy-ass muslim extremists to use a military tribunal to recruit more people to their ranks. Just a simple trail, a guilty verdict, and into the general population of some supermax prison. Whaddya bet there are a few guys with nothing left to lose that might have something special for KSM when he arrives at the cellblock?

That's the best possible outcome here. Send him to a regular prison where he has to deal with honest-to-god criminally insane people who will be decidedly unhappy with him. He will get worked over constantly until he shuffles off the mortal coil.

Look at the current state of this nation. Look how many white women are raped each year by other races. Nothing is done about this!

Nobody is buying the "white supremacist feminist" troll.

"We all know they're guilty."

Do we indeed?

I can appreciate the economy, in time and money, of lynching people "we know" are guilty. Problem is, that goes against every concept of liberty and justice that America stands for.

You obviously think it is appropriate to utterly subvert those concepts in the name of "our country". I don't.

You also fantasize "there may come a day" when people who disagree with your point of view will be "torn apart by angry mobs on mere suspicion".

I guess that would mean letting far right "justice" prevail.

Can you talk some more about how much Muslim terrorists hate America?

Lao still does not understand the difference between between real-life decision making and courtroom procedural safeguards.

Posted by: Lao at November 13, 2009 10:11 AM
Posted by: Anonymous at November 13, 2009 10:05 AM

KSM and his colleagues wanted to plead GUILTY, wanted to be MARTYRED last September. These defendants admitted to it, took pride in doing it, they have NO defense. So, their lawyers will do the only thing they can: Put the US Government on trial.

Public trials of what should be military tribunals are one of the biggest ways that intelligence is outed. The people who tracked him and his minions down will be subpoenaed - what are they going to say?

If Obama had wanted to more thoroughly undermine the US Military, US Intelligence, and cause potential harm (yes, maybe a second terrorist attack on his watch), he could not have picked a better way.

Treating Al Qaeda threats and Islamist terrorism as a matter of "common criminals" is precisely what led to the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Just like ignoring all of the signs of pending jihad from Nidal Malik Hasan led to the Ft. Hood terrorist attack.

The bomber of the USS Cole is facing a Military Tribunal for his attack on the US, is he not? Why is he, and hot Khalid Sheikh Mohammad?

Khalid Sheikh Mohammad admitted, under rapport interrogation, that he murdered Daniel Pearl among many other things. As for pleading guilty, if he wants to do that, when he gets to court, he can. He isn't going to walk.

coo coo ca choob - if you read the news reports, in very small words they explain that Obama decided to try in civilian courts those who committed crimes against civilians & use military courts for those whose crimes were against the military.

This decision is already accomplishing part of its intent; diverting the health care fiasco off of page one.

& if they get a liberal judge, like the last Supreme Court nominee, they may walk on procedural errors...
anything can happen in a civilian court...will he insist on only Muslim jurors (jury of peers), will the judge grant this?? will he ask for dismissal on jurisdiction questions? etc etc

The simple solution is to just stop taking prisoners. Question them in the field then shoot them in the head.

"information gathered through means of which our liberal rulers disapprove — e.g., waterboarding — will be inadmissible."

Stupid, liberal due-process clause of the Constitution! Go back to the Magna Carta!

Since when are international terrorists protected by the US Constitution? Only US citizens get constitutional protection. Which is why you cant take any more prisoners. Bullet in the head - simple. Dont even bring them here.

Well, we are back to the 1990s where terrorism is treated like any ordinary criminal act. With scum bag lawyers getting them all of technicalities or not even being tried in the first place. I guess it will take another 9-11 to refresh peoples memories.

Good news about the Butcher of Fort Hood - he is likely paralyzed from the waist down and has intense pain in his arms. Put him a sound proof cell in some old closed prison with no one but guards and someone to change is diapers, but dont give him any painkillers. Let him spend his days in agony crying out to his Moon God for relief.

Lao:What the hell is "FAR RIGHT" JUSTICE? Just the opposite of what Left/Liberal IM SORRY IM SORRY? Sorry my ass I will take the far right stance on this b.s.

Bill Ayers got off on a technicality. I cannot imagine what will happen if KSM does, too.

If they turn him loose just let him walk down the courthouse steps and let the New Yorkers have some fun with him. They can drag his battered corpse to the WTC site and set it on fire.

Well, as long as KSM received his H1N1 shot, I don't see what the problem is! (nudge, nudge *wink* *wink*)

I doubt he'll walk in the end, but I also have NO doubt we'll all be subjected to an unimaginably stomach-turning brew of lectures on the evils of our way of life from these psycho-killers and their attorneys, lectures from the MSM outside the courtroom on Islam and our own intolerance, a golden opportunity that al-Jazeera and the others won't miss to get into our nightly news cycle and harangue us about this and that, and much much handwringing on cable news for many months about how conflicted we all feel about this or how we are all having a hard time getting closure about that. It will be a complete and total mockery, and it will be staggering in its disrespect and disdain for our people and way of life - all while lecturing us on how it shows we are "better than them."

The pomposity and self-congradulatory narcissism of the Left is limitless.

This has got to be one of the worst decisions ever made in history by a US President.

Since Khalid Sheikh Mohammad and his merry band of terrorist have already confessed this proves to be no more than a show trial of America.

Imagine a US president involved in such a thing. Obama is more than a disgrace, he is a traitor.

Impeach Obama - before it it too late.

Ah, better idea. Put him and that blind Shiek in a giant blender along with 10 gallons of icecream and some pork and call it a "Blind Milk Shake Mohammad with a Twist"

I smell a White House Czar job in line for KSM when he gets out...

"U.S. Army Base New Recruits Welcoming Czar"

I would love to see a "Build the KSM jury pool /court members" thread.

Liberals only

Judge:
Bailiff:
Jurors 12 + 5(alternates):
Prosecutor. Defense attorney.

You are all sick, twisted people. So much for the alleged family values and Christian charity you people claim to hold so dear. This man is innocent and was tortured mercilessly by our government.

Once he is released, I hope that he sues civilly the US government and Bush personally for their abuse.

Hopefully that will set a major precedent and others who have suffered under the Bush regime can get their due.

In the end, our nation torturing people because they Muslims will stop.

"Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Could Walk" - Not if you smash his kneecaps with a lead pipe. Maybe crawl, but not walk.

Maybe Mohammed could be housed in Lao Mao's place - then one day Lao wakes up with his throat cut. Just put a pair of exploding ankle bracelets around his ankles with proximity detonators, so that after he does the deed, he wont be able to run very far without becoming known as Sheik Stumpy.

There there lao calm down little boy,maybe you should go play with your first wookie inflate a date for a while.

Lao, I will give you partial cred for the post @ 12:28.

You are consistent. In my opinion consistently wrong, but consistent nonetheless. You assume innocence despite KSM and buddies own(both before and after interrogation) boastful claims to have led this attack. You presume and call the Bush presidency a regime insinuating that Bush acquired power and held power by force (standard layman definition of regime). And furthermore you accuse the U.S. of torture without unequivocal proof (torture is a subjective definition written by the current power structure. Generally if it is being done to you or to those you support one tends to claim torture at much lower levels).

In the end, our nation torturing people because they Muslims will stop.

This sentence tortures me with its syntactical construction. But if you mean the Muslims will play nice if we do, we did play nice, they attacked.

This is B. Hussein's whole idea from the start. Throw them in a civilian court, produce some never used technicality and LET THEM GO. Brother in arms. ANYONE still confused on the patriotism of the Democrats and worthless liberals get yourself an Obama armband and a jug of Kool-Aid! That POS was ACORN'ed into office and the Republicans stood there with their mouths open. Funny, WE know what was going on!

Oh yes, Lao you are such a Fuc*ing moron.

Just applied my discounted version of the ebonics filter.

In the end, our nation torturing people because they Muslims will stop.

You must mean the torturing of people just because they are Muslim will stop. I may be wrong I have not been present at every interrogation session, but I am fairly sure that the techniques employed were done due to their actions, not their genetics. Seriously I work with a bunch of Muslims, none of them were tortured. If it were true that we only torture Muslims pretty soon they will all quietly disappear from work and I will be able to get a better parking spot. If I can avoid the black vans cruising for Islamists.

As I have pointed out many times before, my name is being regularly highjacked by someone on YOUR side.

The post at 12:28 is an example.

If they turn him loose just let him walk down the courthouse steps and let the New Yorkers have some fun with him. They can drag his battered corpse to the WTC site and set it on fire.
Posted by: Bad Robot! at November 13, 2009 11:52 AM

Don't count on that. Remember that NYC is the place that welcomed Imadinnerjacket with open arms.

I say martyr him as he wants, and send him to his 72 virgins. Out of our hair forever, and he'll find out when he gets there...psych! win-win

Yeah, I kinda figured the 12:28 was someone hijacking Lao's handle, it just didn't sound like him.

C'mon, guys; not very constructive just because you disagree with them...

As I have pointed out many times before, my name is being regularly highjacked by someone on YOUR side.

The post at 12:28 is an example.

Posted by: Lao at November 13, 2009 1:08 PM

I believe Lao, although I do not agree with any of his points. Can the person doing this kindly refrain from doing so. Each and every person who participates in this discussion has the right to their own opinion and the right not to be abused and obstructed. I admire Lao for a least giving himself a name other than the supremely annoying "Anonymous".

And that was me posting under the supremely annoying alias "Anonymous".

Gee wiz, its been a long day.......:)

"Lao" here. I appreciate your support. If you go to the "fat baby" thread at the top you will see, that, until further notice, I will be "anonymous". I have offered an explanation why.

This nails it! Written by my mother, Kristi:

We all endured the 9-11 Commission and knew that the results were compromised by Jamie Gorelick's position on the Commission. She was the author and enforcer of "The Wall," which meant the wall between intelligence and law enforcement; the CIA/NSA and FBI. Regardless, the wall came tumbling down and we were safe for 8 years.

But even the compromised commission's report findings are disregarded by Team Obama. The good recommendations, and any understanding of what went wrong leading to 9-11, are being tossed. If I didn't know better, and maybe I don't, it would appear that these thugs are stacking the deck in favor of the terrorists. With the moving of the 9-11 planner and others to federal court; and bestowing them constitutional rights although not citizens, we get another hint of Team Obama's loyalties.

First of all, Hasan is an American citizen. He has constitutional rights. That's mixing apples and oranges. What Holder is doing, again, is putting the Bush administration on trial. He wants to expose the tactics used to extract information and confessions. Keep in mind that Holder fully intends to investigate/prosecute the 9-11 interrogators.

There are a lot of solid reasons for keeping terrorists out of our courts. The discovery process will destroy us. It appears that they want classified information released to benefit our enemies. Or, they want to put the prosecution in a lose-lose situation; where classified information can't be introduced into evidence so the terrorists can't be fully convicted. They might not walk, but they will likely be convicted of lesser charges than the deaths of over 3,000 citizens. And, where will they serve out their sentences? And who will they continue to influence?

Finally, step back and take a big picture view--it's Holder that's threatening to prosecute interrogators and now those they interrogated are being prosecuted by Holder. He probably intends to give them the Black Panther treatment and make this entire thing go away based on a technicality. They might end up acquitted and be sent to Hawaii or something. Have we had enough already?

Oh, yeah, see this a setting precedent. Our troops are already having to mirandize terrorists on the battlefield. They have the right to remain silent while our soldiers have no right to defend themselves against them. Our soldiers join with law enforcement and border guards in the thankless job of pursuing bad guys while trying to stay alive and out of jail for any perceived slip in procedure. And, how many new terrorists are going to fill our courts? Are we going to import them to the USA now? Are these people insane? Do they want to clog up the courts that are already creeping at 5 miles an hour. Enough of this rant. This is a terrible decision for everyone but terrorists and terrorist sympathizers like Team Obama. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

I do apologize if I inappropriately maligned you. I presumed that it was possible for multiple Lao. Within the constraints of the post @ 12:28 I stand by all of the comments. As far as the consistency issue I will extend a caveat. I do tend to not agree with Lao and that has been a consistent disagreement, but an honorable one.

As I have posted in other threads lao brought this on itself with it's constant bashing of regular conservative posters. Quit crying like a baby lao and accept what you have sown. In other words, reap the whirlwind.

I'm going to side with Lao in this. Whoever is impersonating our resident leftists here, kindly knock it the hell off.

Evil who cares if there are 5 laos on here. We simply respond to the handle. Now taking into account how abusive the first lao has been in it's responces to threads and posts don't you think it deserves what it created?

Yeah, at first I was against attacking the nic hijacker, on libertarian principle. But now it's just getting annoying and abusive, and is preventing the free flow of ideas.

(Lao here) Farmer Ted you are plain wrong. I never "bash" conservative posters with anything other than my ideas. I do use mockery, because, quite frankly, that's the only response I can give to notions that are completely off the wall. Unlike those who respond to me, I never use profanity and I have never been abusive.

(Lao here) I should have added, unlike the name highjacker who has often been abusive and profane while stealing my handle.

Mega and evil I respect your opinions but I have yet to read from a libtard anything but: Conservatives are bible thumping knuckle dragging racists and liberals are enlightened and should rule forever, crap coming from any troll. I hardly see where that promotes "the free flow of ideas". Maybe if a poster would come here and be respectful while disagreeing with us then I would be all for it,but when lao,meh and their ilk come here and bash on regular posters by using some of the above mentioned names, then I say to hell with them. Reap the whirlwind.

Well lao I guess your definition of abusive and mine are different. By the way in case you didn't know people don't respond well to being mocked either. Maybe if you would just simply state your opinion instead of being an arrogant ass you might get a kinder response.

Farmer Ted, Moonbattery is dedicated to mockery of Obama, Democrats, "moonbats", and the left in general. If you can't handle being mocked in turn, that's unfortunate.

lao I can handle anything your wimpy self can throw at me,my skin is extremely thick. What you don't seem to understand is this. I'm trying to tell you how your opinions would carry more water here at Moonbattery. See my above post to mega and evil. I didn't agree with them but I was respectful and courteous. Now if your too thickheaded to learn anything from your experience here then you are truly beyond hope.
Is that what makes you such an arrogant prick? The fact that moonbattery mocks obooboo and liberals? Talk about having a thin skin,grow up junior and try and be more polite.

Farmer Ted, thanks for an example of how to be respectful and courteous to people who post here.

Notice that I have not duplicated your "respect" in this post.

When America decides (finally) that it is ENOUGH. Will it be to late?

In the 40's Japanese went to camps, why not now with the muslims?

lao you have to first be respectful of others before you can recieve that respect in return.

Time to change all there diets to pork.

Look, as anyone who has read this blog knows, I enjoy tearing the comments of leftists into great, bloody chunks. I need to know who I'm dealing with, though, because if I'm going to argue against someone I need to at least make sure I'm arguing against them, and not someone parodying their name. In addition, I had someone doing that to me on another blog a few years ago... it's annoying as hell. So please, whoever you are, STOP. Not for Lao's sake, but for the rest of us.

"Lao" here. I appreciate your support. If you go to the "fat baby" thread at the top you will see, that, until further notice, I will be "anonymous". I have offered an explanation why.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 13, 2009 1:37 PM

Sissy boy.

Evil, you cannot nor have you torn "the comments of leftists into great, bloody chunks" without the aid of those that take on multiple personalities. You do it very poorly with their assistance. You are a joke.

Lao, as far as I am concerned it is you, using an excuse to vent your spleen and get away with it.

That way you can play the victim of the eeeevvvvveeeel conservatives. It is a typical limp wristed liberal tactic.

Maybe if you were less of a complete a$$hole m@therf@cker, I doubt anyone would hijack your handle if that is indeed what is going on.

SK, do you kiss your kids with that mouth?

Wow. A junior high comeback. I'm burned.

To match your junior high profanity.

Remember guys, Hassan had PTSD.

You know, the kind you get from never seeing combat or into a battle zone.

Lao, you are such a pathetic little wimp. Hahaha!

Remember guys, Hassan had PTSD.

You know, the kind you get from never seeing combat or going into a battle zone.

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Fixed. :)

So nobody has anything to say about the post:

Posted by: ToreyDawn at November 13, 2009 1:40 PM

Nothing???

Evil, you cannot nor have you torn "the comments of leftists into great, bloody chunks" without the aid of those that take on multiple personalities. You do it very poorly with their assistance. You are a joke.

Whatever, gutless Anonymous commenter. You have nothing useful or interesting to say, and soon you'll be gone, only to be replaced by another cookie-cutter version of yourself. I swear hey grow you leftists in vats.

Well Well Well......look at all the gutless sissy lefties we have here. I should have known that you pussies would side with the MOOOOOOSLIM terrorists. I'll bet your tune would be different if one of your family members was killed by one of these ass holes.

Khalid could walk?......BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Not around here. He would get a couple of taps to the back of the head here.

Why don't you MOOOOOSLIM ass kissers go on and move to the middle east and stand side by side with your oppressed brothers. I'm sure they have some thing for all of your dumb asses.

Lao's comments at 10:40 did not "side with the Muslims".

Who said anything about Laosy?

You said: "all the gutless sissy lefties we have here".

Posted by: Anonymous at November 13, 2009 6:33 PM

Well if the shoe fits.............

So read my post at 6:00. The shoe you want to put on at least one leftie does not fit.

I did read your post Anon so why are you so intent on being a victim here? You seem to be taking this personally.

Did I hurt your feelings? If so then man up.

Waste of pixels, Dave. Anonymous/Lao is having a diarrhea attack at just having people parody him. Why should Reds be treated with courtesy? Do they extend that courtesy to others? If not, why do they bleat when others show them discourtesy?

Like i always say jay, if you walk in the line of fire you will get hit. Looks like Laosy took a hit because he walked in the line of fire now he's crying like a dog bit pussy.

He can go fuck off with his MOOOOOOOOOOOSLIM sympathising socialist dipshit ass.

It is obviously George Bush's fault.

Or those damned crusaders.

Or the Pope.

Hell, if all Christians (and Jews and Buddhists, etc. etc.) would just die, and everyone that's left would just convert to mooooslimism, all this fighting would end. Unless of course you were a Shi'ite in a Soooooni neighborhood (or visa-versa) then you'd get your throat cut.

Hey... wait a minute...

That's right boys and girls. 'Muslim rule' means last man standing. The freaking sons-a-bitches kill each other as quick as they kill infidels.

Religion of Peace my hairy white ass.

Anyone who believes that is a damned fool.

Sure, they'll all walk. Especially if we confer all the constitutional rights reserved to U.S. citizens. Just like Bill Ayers walked, they will also walk on some technicality derived from the constitution. Ayers walked because of inadmissible evidence amassed from "illegal" wire taps.

Pro-bono? Naw, more likely some federal Stimusol will somehow be directed to Holder's "former" law firm. Covington and Burling, LLP; Which, appears to be representing at least 17 Yemeni and Pakistani "clients" at Gitmo. When his platform specifically included closing Gitmo, It was just too coincidental that Obamao hand-picked Holder for that AG position.

So could KSM "walk"? If we believe in innocent until proven guilty, then he could. We can't claim anyone is getting a fair trial if we also state they are going to be found guilty.

Will KSM get a fair trail? Moussaoui and the shoe bomber were tried in the U.S. and are now in jail. Why should the trial for KSM end up differently? There's lots of evidence against him that's admissible, not the least of which are his confessions.

If we are afraid that our justice system can't deal with terrorists, then the "terror" that those people unleashed has been successful.

"Robin," doesn't walk, she sashays.

KSM will walk out of Federal court a free mas as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow. As I believe this is exactly what Barack Hussein and his Attorney General stooge Eric Holder want to happen.

KSM's lawyer will file a Motion to Dismiss. On the grounds KSM was denied Constitutional due process:
Denied his right to a fair and speedy trial;

Was not given his Miranda Warning,(the right to remain silent to avoid any incriminating statements and to have the right to speak with an attorney before any questioning and to have that attorney present during any and all subsequent questioning;

Was denied the right to face his accuser and to be presented with the evidence against him;

Was water-boarded "tortured" over a hundred times (which the government plainly admits doing] which is a clear violation of both the 4th and the 5th amendment.

Denied a bail hearing within a reasonable amount of time and allowed the right to a telephone call.

Any judge in any civilian court in America (municipal, state or Federal) presented with these facts concerning the treatment of a suspect. Under precedents set in both Supreme Court rulings as well in case law. The judge has no alternative but to grant the motion to dismiss the case.