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It looks like it's revolution time on both sides of the Pond...

Because parents with high IQs are always such GREAT parents...

What an abuse of power! I hope that couple finds safe haven.

Coming to a neighborhood near U.S. if the "U.N. Human Rights Commission" has any say in it.

OMFG UK. WTF? I'd really like to hear their defense on this one.

Let us not forget that these are the babies that population control moonbats want subjected to forced abortions.

If this particular blend of totalitarian moonbattery ever takes hold, this woman would be forcibly sterilized, on orders of such "enlightened" progressives as John Holdren and Ezekiel Emanuel.

But it's religion that has a monopoly on human cruelty.

/moonbat (see two threads ago for an example)

(off sarc)

Only faith can save people from the scenarios of 1984 and Brave New World, because only faith stands as an authority above United Nations "law." The U.N. claims international, meaning highest, authority. What could be higher than that? Only divine authority. Yes, even in a secular country. There's a reason the Founding Fathers made the appeal to divine authority in their immortal phrasing: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..." Only this cannot be impeached by human whim.

Guys, shit like this is in the Healthcare Bill

http://tinyurl.com/ykrfeng

@ Anonymous Countermoonbat

Exactly! I've been onto those ZPG bastards for years! I've tried telling people about them only to be called crazy. They've even changed their name to the benign-sounding "Population Connection", as they freely admit on their website:

http://www.populationconnection.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_us

I've become more and more convinced that most of today's nefarious plans emanate from this den of vipers and those who think like them, I swear they're evil. Just look at the rest of their causes; all of them cloaked in harmless, non-alarming titles: "Ensuring social justice", "Protecting the environment", etc.

Even the lead article on the home page is, "Does the 'billionth African' mean boon or burden?".

ER, the ZPG bastards are more dangerous than Nazis.

Nazism was overtly murderous and hateful, and required a great deal of pre-existing bigotry or loyalty to party goals.

What makes the population movement so dangerous is its cold, detached tone of science. The movement doesn't have to overcome morality or build off of bigotry in its operatives - it only has to issue a fallacious appeal to reason and science.

This cold, detached tone is seen from leading academics like Holdren. By framing it as a necessity to all of humanity and the planet itself, rather than simple political and national interests, the goal, in the mind of the believers, becomes elevated above the judgement of man in a manner very similar to religion.

Nazism was ruthlessly efficient, but the ZPG movement doesn't have to be. It will be the exact opposite. Its bureaucracy will be its strength. By dividing up the task of forcefully reducing the population, each operative gets to claim they were simply a small part of policy formulated elsewhere.

The farmer who doesn't grow or the doctor who doesn't treat (because of withheld state funding) has a simple economic defense for why people are dying without their efforts. Similarly, the bureaucrats running the zero growth economy are just disbursing allocated money according to the law, or ensuring that everybody complies with what is seen as based on reason. The policy hacks are doing nothing more than repackaging what the scientists say is truth, and the scientists are merely performing arbitrary calculations of carrying capacity based on unfounded assumptions. The policy hack doesn't see himself as guilty, as he is only following the truth put in front of him. The scientist doesn't feel guilt, since he only make highly limited abstract conclusions - and sees no fault if a policy hack takes it out of context.

It works much like a firing squad. Each soldier, after pulling the trigger, goes home with the comfort that he fired the blank round. All of them. They all fired the blank round.

Yet, for some reason, somebody died.

A.C.:
Aye, that's one of the best descriptions of how they operate that I've ever read, thank you! ;) It's also sort of like a hive-mind mentality with no discernible central command yet somehow, collectively, it slowly and eventually moves toward its goal.

Little wonder why zombie-themed entertainment has enjoyed such a huge surge in modern culture...maybe people sense this very mentality we're talking about?

(Heck, even my handle here is a play on my favorite video game which is all about zombies)

Anyway, I'm getting off track. Man, am I glad I found this site, it's good to find like-minded thinkers.

I went over to the article first before reading MB comments. There were 401 comments total, and I could only find one or two in defense of the nazi nannies. The rest were carrying torches and pitchforks. Somehow, poor UK has gradually, insidiously come to this and now they're shocked. There really is such a thing as a slippery slope, and it's one of the things we battle and stay informed on here.

I read Drillanwr's link; it's that Family visitation act that was in HR3200, probably still in the 2000 pager. Only one troll comment there, who just said "typical scare tactics baloney." Really? How so?

Good job they don't do that here. We'd run out of Republicans.

You're right anonymous, we must you the power of the state to stop the lower class from breeding. Now explain to me why the left isn't fascist please.

Oops, that should read use not you. I hope I don't have dyslexia, or I'll have to report to the sterilization clinic.

Speaking of the Hive Mind:

http://www.sobran.com/hive/hive.shtml

Nailed it.

ER, I think you will like it here. I hope you stay, and bring your friends and family. If they're like us, they will help the discussion. If not, hopefully we can break the spell of the Kool-Aid they're under.

Thanks, AC, I can tell already that I'll like it. Most of my family believe likewise, but they've all relocated to the Seattle area, so...don't know how long that'll last.

And about 95% of my friends and coworkers (mostly in the life sciences like me) are left of center, so getting them to come here will be a chore. However, many of them are starting to wake up, so that's a good sign. ;)

AC.
Congratulations.
Particularly "What makes the population movement so dangerous is its cold, detached tone of science. The movement doesn't have to overcome morality or build off of bigotry in its operatives - it only has to issue a fallacious appeal to reason and science."
Very very good.
I suppose you can substitute any number of daft
movements for 'population' in the above statement.
And you could maybe add 'affectation of' in the first sentence "... dangerous is its affectation of a cold, detached tone of science."
That said, brilliant, congratulations again.

So now according to child welfare nazis a young woman isnt bright enough to raise a child so BIG BROTHER must care for the child HITLER and STALIN supported the same ideas

This is disgusting. By what prerogative does any government agency decide that it will confiscate a child before he/she is even born? Don't they need some actual evidence of abuse or neglect before they can do that? Are we getting the whole story here?

Posted by: libsarenavelint at November 9, 2009 1:21 PM

Sobran is an asshole. Interestingly, when I criticized his work a few years ago, he responded in a personal email and called me exactly that. He also said I was his "enemy" and that I was "childish." I haven't been back to his site since. The man is isolationist douchebag and seems to think that radical Islam is out to kill us simply because we meddle in Middle Eastern affairs too much. I guess he thinks we ought to just sit on our hands while Hamas and Hizbollah finish carving up Israel.

I don't think I've ever run across a "conservative" with such venom toward Israel, President Bush, the War on Terror, or anything else he thinks is interventionist. At least the Left doesn't throw out this crap with one hand and cheerlead for America with the other.