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October 12, 2009

Today's Public School Lesson: Heroism = Villainy

Posted by Van Helsing at October 12, 2009 1:57 PM

A culture that doesn't honor its heroes is in mortal peril — which is why Christopher Columbus, the bold and visionary explorer who brought Western Civilization to the New World, is constantly disparaged by our enemies within. Moonbats either ignore his namesake holiday, or exploit it as yet another opportunity to poison young minds with cultural self-hatred. AP approvingly reports:

Jeffrey Kolowith's kindergarten students … learn about the explorer's significance — though they also come away with a more nuanced picture of Columbus than the noble discoverer often portrayed in pop culture and legend.

"Nuance" is liberalese for something you don't want to step in.

"I talk about the situation where he didn't even realize where he was," Kolowith said. "And we talked about how he was very, very mean, very bossy."

Not brave. Not determined. Bossy.

Columbus' stature in U.S. classrooms has declined somewhat through the years, and many districts will not observe his namesake holiday on Monday. Although lessons vary, many teachers are trying to present a more balanced perspective of what happened after Columbus reached the Caribbean and the suffering of indigenous populations.

"Balanced" — liberalese for corrosive leftist propaganda.

"The whole terminology has changed," said James Kracht, executive associate dean for academic affairs in the Texas A&M College of Education and Human Development. "You don't hear people using the world 'discovery' anymore like they used to. 'Columbus discovers America.' Because how could he discover America if there were already people living here?"

People dim enough to ask a question like that are educating the next generation.

In Texas, students start learning in the fifth grade about the "Columbian Exchange" — which consisted not only of gold, crops and goods shipped back and forth across the Atlantic Ocean, but diseases carried by settlers that decimated native populations.

As Sweetness & Light notes, the diseases went both ways; explorers brought syphilis back to Europe. But noting this fact in the classroom wouldn't be "balanced."

In McDonald, Pa., 30 miles southwest of Pittsburgh, fourth-grade students at Fort Cherry Elementary put Columbus on trial this year — charging him with misrepresenting the Spanish crown and thievery. They found him guilty and sentenced him to life in prison.

Columbus's real crime was that he spoiled the noble savage utopia of the Stone Age Indians. If only Columbus hadn't butted in, Native Americans could still be gayly celebrating multiculturalism by cutting out a quarter million innocent victims' beating hearts every year in festive Aztec rituals.

Some might think it was good to put an end to that kind of savagery, but according to moral relativism — the official ideology of the education establishment — assembly line human butchering is the same as Christians singing hymns. Scholar Felipe Fernandez-Armesto applies cultural relativism to Columbus:

Every hero is somebody else's villain. Heroism and villainy are just two sides of the same coin.

Thomas Jefferson, Joseph Stalin, what's the difference? There's no right or wrong, only correct and incorrect — and discovering America was incorrect.

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Columbus's discovery put an end to all this fun.

On a tip from Conservigilant.


Comments

Yet none of the nutjobs who bash Columbus who aren't indians refuse to write a will up giving whatever they own to an indian of there choice then promptly killing themselves. Or at least signing over the title to everything they own and then moving to a country of there choice to of course wreck as well with there crappy nonsense.

Posted by: Moonbat Skullcracker at October 12, 2009 2:08 PM


You don't have a clue, do you?

"teachers are trying to present a more balanced perspective of what happened after Columbus reached the Caribbean and the suffering of indigenous populations"

"Balanced" means EXACTLY THAT (too much FauxNews, huh?). Columbus was NOT an entirely (or even especially) altruistic individual. His trip westward was NOT completely (or even mostly) benign. Teaching kids actual history might be bad for your "america-as-magic-city-on-hill" narrative... but it IS a balanced version of actual history.

So... "corrosive propaganda" can ONLY apply if you really think mentioning anything true to kids is corrosive... Which might actually exaplin a lot about where 'conservatives' come from these days... but you can't all have gone to school in the 50's, or in Kansas/Texas/et al... hmmmm.

Posted by: Hmmmmmmmmm at October 12, 2009 2:37 PM


Just kidding, I take it all back.

Posted by: Hmmmmmmmmm at October 12, 2009 2:47 PM


Way to massively oversimplfy, to make a stupid point... does anyone think this is A) well-written or B) comprehensible at all?

"Every hero is somebody else's villain. Heroism and villainy are just two sides of the same coin."

That is perfectly true. We are big fans of George Washington, but whaddya bet the Brits in and around 1776 were NOT such big fans, huh? Almost every example has a counterexample.

It is all relative, and pretending that history really is the nice clean sterile narrative of the old-school kids' books is intellectually weak. Are you really, honestly not in favor of training kids to actually think about things?

(OOOOoooohhh... wait, I bet you aren't. People who think, end up disproportionately on the left side of the aisle...is this all about keeping people on your team as your ideas are increasingly margnialized? Pretty cynical, even for me... but I really, really wouldn't put it past you...)

Posted by: Meh at October 12, 2009 2:48 PM


Van Helsing,

Once again:
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd143/Detroit_Panday/Tradition.jpg

Posted by: Panday at October 12, 2009 3:09 PM


Today is "Native American Day" in South Dakota.

Discovered: New painting of Columbus.

See: http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/columbus-day/

Posted by: Mke Licht at October 12, 2009 3:10 PM


It is criminal that the communists have taken control of classrooms(kindergarten!) and are teaching this vile filth to such impressionable young minds.
This is cultural warfare and teachers such as Jeffrey Kolowith are enemies of the U.S.A.
This sort of shit is child abuse and just as vile as paedophilia.
Where is the anger?
Why are these bastards allowed to get away with this crap without being tarred, feathered and run out of town on a rail?

Notice how the Moonbat trolls such as Meh turn up to wallow in the filth.
They know exactly how obscene thus stuff is and are particulary excited by the perversion of young minds.

Posted by: Mike_W at October 12, 2009 3:14 PM


Perverse? Pedophilia? Child abuse?

What we are talking about here is TELLING KIDS THE TRUTH. Why the fuck is that sooo scary to you, Mike_W?

Where exactly is the bad stuff? Was Columbus' expedition to America benign? Were there multifarious consequences, positive and bnegative, resulting from that voyage? (Back up, lemme ask this: Do you know anything at all about history?)

Are you, just maybe, exactly the sort of dumb-ass kid who was taught the "America is a magic/perfect/unimpeachable place" as a kid and are therefore incapable of learning anything now, in your dotage?

What in the flying hell are you talking about? Seriously. What are you so angry about?

Posted by: Meh at October 12, 2009 3:20 PM


Hmmmmmmmmm, what's wrong with Fox News? It's not like they artificially manufacture, distort or go with unchecked reports say like Dan Rather of CBS, or CNN's report of fire fight on the Potomac, or reporting that Trig is really Bristol's child. Fox has never had to make retractions or apologies for anything on that level.

People who think, end up disproportionately on the left side of the aisle...is this all about keeping people on your team as your ideas are increasingly margnialized?

This of course is entirely incorrect. The leftist mind is incapable of rational independent thought, as is evidenced by the history of leftist ideology. The hints are there in the language they use to describe themselves; "collaborative, cooperative, collective." They have a hive like mind, and don't really know what to think until their thoughts are are given to them by elitist higher ups the "collective" hive. They also mock the right's current lack of a leader, not realizing that those on the right don't have a desperate need for a co-dependent relationship with a political figurehead as those on the left do.

As George Orwell once said, "So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot."

It's important to point out the historical fact, that wherever leftist ideology is allowed to fester, it always leaves behind it a trail of hell on earth, as is evidenced by nations under leftist control.

I've always wondered, and never received a satisfactory answer, why leftists and self proclaimed socialists don't move to Cuba or Venezuela. Surely since everything is "relative" those despots are just getting a bad rap. And since they already have the policies in place that leftists support, it just seems like they would be happier there.

In Europe, The socialist Nazi Party of Germany stands as the ultimate destination to which leftist ideology leads. Here in America, we can look to abandoned Detroit, left behind as an empty and destitute husk ever since the leftist locusts fled to other American cities to feed of the labor of those who work.

You are also entirely incorrect in that it is not in any way all relative. George Washington was on the side of fighting for Liberty and Independence, as opposed to King George's armies who paid to fight for English tyranny. So of course it is not relative by any stretch of the imagination.

In regards to ideas being marginalized, please read the following articles:

Republicans gets big bump of donors; Outraise Dems

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-09-24-party-money_N.htm

Generic House Polling Suggests the Republicans Could Regain the House in 2010

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/09/generic-house-polling-suggests.html

Democrats running away from Obama

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204488304574431080139159704.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

Democrats Are Jarred by Drop In Fundraising

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/24/AR2009092404906.html?wprss=rss_politics

NYT/CBS poll shows Obama losing ground on health care, Afghanistan

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/25/nytcbs-poll-shows-obama-losing-ground-on-health-care-afghanistan/

Europe’s Socialists Suffering Even in Downturn

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/world/europe/29socialism.html?_r=1

After reading these articles, please tell me how they make you feel.

Posted by: J at October 12, 2009 3:25 PM


That's exactly it Meh - people who were taught the sterile version of history as kids get all angry when people with a more nuanced view of history (the kind that does not come from coloring books) come along and applaud teaching children "facts" as opposed to "fables".

Common failing of the right-wing "mind".

Posted by: Hmmmmmmmmm at October 12, 2009 3:27 PM


I'm angry at communist arseholes like yourself using ideological subversion as you attempt to destroy the West; ESECIALLY when you twist history and young minds to further your degenerate aims.
People like you disgust me.
You are vile filth and traitorous scumbags.

Posted by: Mike_W at October 12, 2009 3:31 PM


What we are talking about here is TELLING KIDS THE TRUTH. Why the fuck is that sooo scary to you, Mike_W?

Where exactly is the bad stuff? Was Columbus' expedition to America benign? Were there multifarious consequences, positive and bnegative, resulting from that voyage? (Back up, lemme ask this: Do you know anything at all about history?)

Are you, just maybe, exactly the sort of dumb-ass kid who was taught the "America is a magic/perfect/unimpeachable place" as a kid and are therefore incapable of learning anything now, in your dotage?

Except for that it's not the truth.

Is America is a magic/perfect/unimpeachable place? Of course not. But it is sure better than any other nation on Earth, precisely because of it's conservative founding, and in spite of its leftist interference.

The problem that is escaping you, is that the propagandized fairy tales currently being taught in schools, swing in the opposite direction. Teaching that all indigenous and brown people are magic/perfect/unimpeachable, and White America is the center of all oppression. This of course is blatantly false.

They then use this kind of race baiting to excuse teaching incorrect socialist and communist philosophies.

Posted by: J at October 12, 2009 3:35 PM


That's exactly it Meh - people who were taught the sterile version of history as kids get all angry when people with a more nuanced view of history (the kind that does not come from coloring books) come along and applaud teaching children "facts" as opposed to "fables".

Ahh yes. "Nuance." Another favorite buzz word often parroted from the leftist "collective."

Posted by: J at October 12, 2009 3:37 PM


J, you are exactly what I am talking about. You appproach George Washington from ONLY the AMERICAN perspective. But to King George, he sees that he supplied early support, both fiscal and manpower, to the colonies. He also had a divine right to rule, handed down from his forebears. His entire country's history said that he could do exactly as he pleased. And the wealthy people in the colonies didn't want to pay their taxes, and rebelled. So... from his point of view, Washington was not a hero, he was upsetting the applecart of history's ordination of his throne. And I bet he was pissed.

You have to be able to THINK from other perspectives to see this stuff... try it someday?

(Oh, and if you want an answer to your monumentally stupid question about Cuba/Venezuela... here is your ansewr: that is NOT what we want in america, dumbass. Stupid people said the same thing before SocSec, before Medicare... and GUESS WHAT? America is still a better place than either Cuba or Venezuela. EVEN WITH SOCIAL SECURITY! (Imagine that....)

I get that you think we aren't smart enough to notice that whole "history" thing that belies everything you say... but then again you think Obama is coming to eat your grandma, too (and maybe something about black helicopters?) - look guy, go sit in the corner, read some books, take some drugs, whatever it takes to get that brain going again, and keep trying.

The original artical was about TEACHING KIDS. Which is 100% good. Critical thinking is how we compete with the Indian and Chinese kids in 20 years.

Or have you already surrendered?

Posted by: Anonymous at October 12, 2009 3:37 PM


Wow. Mike_W is a card-carrying member of the black-helicopters, the-government-wants-to-eat-me subset.

Didn't spend all too much time in that "lib'rul schoolin'", did ya?

Let the grownups talk. You go read a few boks and ask yourself why it is you fear knowledge soooo much.

Posted by: Anonymous at October 12, 2009 3:40 PM


Funny how none of these white activists who are so worked up about the "genocide" of the American Indians is giving their own property to one of them and high-tailing it back to Europe.

Sanctimony on the cheap. Nothing more.

Posted by: V the K at October 12, 2009 3:43 PM


While some schools may be taking it a little overboard with the trial issue, but learn some history yourself Columbus was out for nothing more than profit (not a bad thing just pointing out he didn't do it cause he was a loyal spanish explorer) and how CAN you discover something that Indians DISCOVERED thousands of years before hand Chinese DISCOVERED a thousand years before and the Vikings DISCOVERED and set up camps hundreds of years before.

To me Columbus should be honored for setting up the pathways to modernize North America but not honored as a discoverer of anything therefor no holiday.

Final note to make it out that all Indians were brutal human sacrificing savages like the Aztecs has got to take the cake as one of the most ignorant statements not uttered by a Democrat

Posted by: Tim at October 12, 2009 3:46 PM


@Anonymous

Use a moniker, "arsehole" would suit.

You are the one with no concept of truth or knowledge.
The Left is entirely built on lies and that is why you lot are doomed to fail, because nothing enduring can be built on a lie.

I don't fear anything about the Left, except what they do to children; although you do disgust me.
You are truly pathetic.

Posted by: Mike_W at October 12, 2009 3:50 PM


You just wait all you faux-news loving racist neo nazis.

We're going to have a public lynching of all you conservatives and start with live television broadcast (except of faux-news) of great leader and teacher raping Sarah Palin.

WE'RE THE PARTY OF LOVE AND TOLERANCE!

Posted by: Hmmmmmmmmm at October 12, 2009 4:05 PM


J, you are exactly what I am talking about. You appproach George Washington from ONLY the AMERICAN perspective. But to King George, he sees that he supplied early support, both fiscal and manpower, to the colonies. He also had a divine right to rule, handed down from his forebears. His entire country's history said that he could do exactly as he pleased. And the wealthy people in the colonies didn't want to pay their taxes, and rebelled. So... from his point of view, Washington was not a hero, he was upsetting the applecart of history's ordination of his throne. And I bet he was pissed.

Yes, but you need to understand that exactly what you are talking about is entirely incorrect.

King George controlled and entire nation, and empire, with fear and oppression. that is tyranny.

The fact that he purportedly had a "divine right to rule, handed by his forebears," is in itself indicative of the illegitimacy of the British government. After all, how does one prove divine right? What is the chain of evidence for divine right?

It's important to understand, that nations that are not self-governed and that are not self-representative are illegitimate governments, and thus need not be recognized as such.

You have to be able to THINK from other perspectives to see this stuff... try it someday?

It would be impossible for me to do this because I do not have despotic ambitions.

Oh, and if you want an answer to your monumentally stupid question about Cuba/Venezuela... here is your ansewr: that is NOT what we want in america, dumbass. Stupid people said the same thing before SocSec, before Medicare... and GUESS WHAT? America is still a better place than either Cuba or Venezuela. EVEN WITH SOCIAL SECURITY! (Imagine that....)

Why is it a monumentally stupid question? It certainly seems like that's what you want. Leftist elites from Hollywood regularly travel to Venezuela and Cuba to swoon over their favorite leftist despots. Leftist government officials have publicly remarked on the brilliance of Castro, and the remarkable nature of Chavez' revolution. Michael Moore shot a socialist propaganda film hailing the marvels of the Cuban medical system.

Moral equivalency is always incorrect, no matter how big or how flowery the words are that are used to describe it. Those who desire to to take control and oppress others, will always attempt to belittle those who rightly seek to escape their imposed will.

but then again you think Obama is coming to eat your grandma, too (and maybe something about black helicopters?) - look guy, go sit in the corner, read some books, take some drugs, whatever it takes to get that brain going again, and keep trying.

Actually no I don't think that, though thank you for your psychic legerdemain. I do think however, that leftists, being masters of unintended consequences, simply don't understand that fire is hot as Orwell said. The fact of the matter is, socialized medicine always reduces the quality of life, even under the very best of intentions.

Socialized medicine is that toy that you wanted as a child. Your parents told you and told you it was junk. But you refused to believe them and instead focused on the shiny packaging and fantastic promises offered in glitzy advertising. Then once you got it home, and tried to play with it, you realized your parents were right all along. But of course, you're too embarrassed to admit it.

I've read quite a few books, my library is quite extensive.

One book I'd suggest for you to read, is the Black Book of Communism published by Harvard University Press:

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Book-Communism-Crimes-Repression/dp/0674076087

It should work to illuminate the current romanticized fantasy being taught about leftist ideologies like communism.

Also, please note that capitalizing entire words does not cloak your arguments with authority.

Posted by: J at October 12, 2009 4:08 PM


Hey hmmmmmmmmm, is that because you have a dick in your mouth?

Posted by: Anonymous at October 12, 2009 4:14 PM


Cristobal Colon as he is known in my neck of the woods is rightly given credit for the European discovery of the Americas. Had he not done so, Pedro Alvarez Cabral would have won the laurels for his inadvertent discovery of the Brazilian coast a few years later. The more interesting question is "why?" It's a question no liberal can answer, predisposed as they are with slamming western culture rather than seeking the truth.

The answer is a complex composite of culture, capital, resources, science and geography, but luck had nothing to do with it. The discovery was inevitable, just as it was inevitable that the Europeans would be the first. The Chinese might have but for their cultural habit of preferring isolation to exploration. The Portuguese would force China to open her ports and not vice-versa.

I don't judge Europeans of 500 years ago by contemporary standards of morality. I find it ironic that liberals are so fond of being "non-judgemental" except when it comes to western culture. Double standard? Always. At least I won't make a fool of myself putting Native Americans on trial for the extinction of Ice Age mega-fauna. The history of mankind is a ledger of atrocities. No race, culture, or ethnicity is exempt.

I thank God for allowing me to live with the blessings of modernity. Liberty, health, comfort, leisure, and material abundance are so rare in the annals of history. But only an inbred, ill-educated, knuckle-dragging moron like myself could arrive at this conclusion.

To "Meh" and his ilk I can offer only the following. May you someday shiver in the dark and cold as the just wages of your decadence. Be sure to kiss lightly the hand that offers you a crust of bread. He is the master; you are the serf. Love him when he is gentle with the whip. May your dreams and memories never remind you of a time when you were free. Call not upon free, self-reliant, armed men for succor. We will not aid you. Don't die. Just suffer.

--- Gone to Galt's Redoubt

Posted by: ~Argus at October 12, 2009 5:37 PM


What we are talking about here is TELLING KIDS THE TRUTH.

Let's do tell kids the truth. Let's tell them that the American Indians were a Stone Age people, many of whose tribes had made torture a centerpiece of their culture.

Let's tell them the slaves brought here were criminals and prisoners of war, whom African chieftains were thrilled to get rid of and turn a profit into the bargain.

Let's tell them a lot of male homosexuals share the tastes of France's Culture Minister, and that even those who don't are disproportionately responsible for spreading STDs.

Let's tell them that what is now known as welfare destroyed the black family because payments would only be made to families with no male breadwinner.

Would you like a few more?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 12, 2009 6:04 PM


Posted by: Tim at October 12, 2009 3:46 PM- "While some schools may be taking it a little overboard with the trial issue, but learn some history yourself Columbus was out for nothing more than profit (not a bad thing just pointing out he didn't do it cause he was a loyal spanish explorer)"

Doesn't matter a whit. He discovered it, regardless of whether it was for profit or not. The left wants to deduct points for discovery based on motive. Even disqualify if it is in any way related to wicked, wicked profit. How very... socialist.


Posted by: Tim at October 12, 2009 3:46 PM- "...and how CAN you discover something that Indians DISCOVERED thousands of years before hand"

With ships. If the Indians wanted to take credit, they should have written it down. Camp fire tales and crayon drawings don't count. Savages don't count. They're just part of the scenery. History is based on the written record, of civilizations. not humpy dwelling, story tellers. If one couldn't be bothered inventing the wheel, why should one get credit for merely shuffling onto a paddock? The Bison did that too.

Posted by: chairman soetoro's oprichniki at October 12, 2009 6:34 PM


I've got the demotivational caption for the historic picture on this post. "Everything was fine before the white man came along."

Posted by: Jay at October 12, 2009 6:46 PM


We're all evil just because we're white, according to the Leftists. To hell with all the comforts and conveniences we brought with our arrival(s).

It reminds me of an old Life magazine from about l962 that I still have where white doctors are all laying around dead (slaughtered with blood everywhere) in a jungle because the black natives "spooked" when receiving their inoculations for some disease.

Posted by: SK at October 12, 2009 7:17 PM


In 1492, the "knowledgeable" world (Europe) had no concept of the existence of the Americas. It was truly a discovery in their history. To the day he died, Columbus had no idea the extent of the lands he had stumbled upon, nor the extent of the ocean which lay beyond. In fact until Megellan crossed into the "Mar Pacifico" (Pacific Ocean, which he named because of it's calm waters), no person had a concept of the diameter of the earth at the equator. The entire knowledge of human exploration had no concept of something as basic as the earth being a sphere. The thought of a free liberty loving population of individuals being in charge of their own destiny and government would not even be a glimmer in the eye of the smartest of all men for another 200 years. Do not compare Columbus to any politician today, they were all imbeciles then, we shouldn't be today. The Constitution of the United States of America is the best of all we have learned about political governing in all the history of mankind. It should be treasured and protected at all costs, with prejudice and with blind hatred toward any enemy.

Posted by: Eric at October 12, 2009 7:20 PM


Some Counter Moonbattery...

Yes, Columbus Discovered America

Of course Columbus discovered America - from his point of view. The word "discover" doesn't mean no one else knew about America, or that no one was living here. It just means he landed on shores his society had not landed on before. And, because he landed elsewhere than expected, they said he "discovered" the place. It was new to them. No one of his culture had landed here before.

But it is the greatness of Columbus that liberals cannot abide. Being the pathological protesters they are, no great achiever is allowed recognition. (Liberals laud only empty words of people like Barry Soetoro.) And that which the world has previously considered great and honorable must now be denigrated, demeaned, and condemned. Indeed, damned as evil and wrong.

That's what Jeffrey Kolowith is teaching his kindergarten students in Tampa, Florida. They mustn't like Columbus. He was bad. "He was very, very mean, very bossy," says Kolowith, poisoning the little children's minds with disdain, aversion, and hatred for the very elements of character required to achieve anything grand. Self-discipline, group management, unrelenting dedication, these are not to be found in the weak and 'loving' liberal. The only thing they're devoted to is undoing what achievers achieve.

An AP story, A darker side of Columbus emerges in US classrooms, indicates Kolowith is determined that children despise those who have accomplished the most significant feats in history.

Author of the article, Christine Amario, has assembled a sordid array of typical, boring anti-American brainwashers. The only one distinguished among them is in fact Mr. Kolowith - and only because he's taken the anti-Western cause to the youngest children in the American public school system: the five-year olds.

Posted by: SK at October 12, 2009 7:21 PM


Yes the European discovery of the Americas in 1492 is truly a monumental event in the history of human history and should be remembered as just such a thing. Yes there were ugly things that resulted from the breaking of the paradigm, as there always are, but the end result is overall a plus for all. Remember not the cost of progress, for the reward of the progress in its' self is the value of the effort.

Posted by: Eric at October 12, 2009 7:27 PM


RE: Jay Guevara

I've held Clovis points in my hands fresh from the pit. The experience filled me with wonder. The best explanation I can offer is that Stone Age cultures can only exist where population densities are thin. It's a guess, pure intuition on my part. My next guess is that people adopted settled agriculture by necessity. When the game runs out, people turn to seeds. All of our first civilizations (Mesopotamia, Egypt, China) were built on grass seed. Barley, wheat and rice are all domestic grasses. If necessity is the mother of invention, then we as a species made a technological leap into cultivation to sustain ourselves.

The part I can't square is why humans with a limited technological capacity bothered to put so much effort into religious monuments. I've visited Pueblo Bonito, Stonehenge, and the Pyramids of Giza. None are utilitarian. What's up with that? I have one dark explanation, and another less . . . dark. The dark side is that theocrats use religion to control the masses. On the other hand, maybe humanity has an innate capacity to appreciate the sublime. Life is a mystery. Let's celebrate with grand monuments!

The third possibility is that I'm so deep in the bottle that I don't make sense even to myself. There's no "off" switch. The mind percolates and the fingers respond. Loose it or lose it.

I'm venting. No need to respond. Lucky is the Stone Age culture that survives. Beats living in a trailer park on the rez. I can tell you from personal experience that the "red man" goes crazy on ethanol, and the Chinese get red. The Anglo gets sullen and thoughtful. Better dead than red, I say.

Posted by: ~Argus at October 12, 2009 7:56 PM


I like that teacher's observation: Columbus was "very, very mean and very bossy".

Spoken like a true Beta Male.

Man, ol' bossy Columbus must've thought he was the CAPTAIN or LEADER or somethin'!!!

Posted by: Toa at October 12, 2009 7:58 PM


SK, it's not just about denigrating achievement though.
It's a direct assault on the cultural foundation and sense of worth of the children.
It's designed as part of the communist culture war against the West to demoralize and turn the little tykes into clones of idiots like their teacher.
It's designed to turn the tykes in future self-haters, like Jeffrey Kolowith, who will one day grow up and screw up another generation of innocent young minds.
It's monstrous.

Posted by: Mike_W at October 12, 2009 9:04 PM


Back when liberal dorks wanted COLUMBUS DAY to be renamed INDIGIUOUNUS PEOOPLES DAY i mean its all this PC bull crap running wild

Posted by: SPURWING PLOVER at October 12, 2009 9:15 PM


The AZTECS,INCAS,MYANS all commited bloody human sacrifices just like liberals do when they abort thier babies

Posted by: Flu-Bird at October 12, 2009 9:18 PM


Columbuphobes are a strange brainless breed, are they not?

One argument I get tired of - is the one concerning "discovery". Discovery is the correct word. To discover is to learn something new. Columbus did, indeed, discover the America's for southern Europe. It's no different than discovering a new planet. Do you Columbuphobes not consider it a "discovery" if there's life on that planet. Give me a break.

And the main Columbuphobe argument: The mean old Europeans "raped" and pillaged two contents, wiping out the cultures and committing genocide... I could begin an entire "In the course of human events..." but let me just interject that had we (Europeans) not shown up first - these continents would have come under Chinese/Asian "ownership". Would they have been more kind to the natives than us?

Bottom line: Silly liberals who wish to destroy National (and human) respect for a great explorer whose intelligence and bravery changed the face of history can squat on a cactus and spin. They are trying to make Political Correctness retroactive to the dawn of recorded history, and rewrite everything to meet their PC points of pin-headed view.

Slap a liberal today. You'll feel better.

Posted by: Anonymous at October 12, 2009 9:48 PM


Last post was mine - sorry.

Posted by: Jimbo at October 12, 2009 9:49 PM


And another PS to -

~Argus at October 12, 2009 7:56 PM

Argus - I'm in possession of a Clovis point. I 'discovered' it in a seasonally dry stream bed in Texas about 40 years ago on the 50,000 acres of ranch land I grew up on. So I understand what you mean when you talk about what it's like to 'discover' and reflect. I am also in possession of numerous other 'more native than us' artifacts recovered by my family on private property over the course of the last 50 or so years from Alaska to Texas. I consider them extremely cool things; I know their history & significance.

I consider this small collection 'mine' - near as I can tell, I own them legally. I have been approached more than once by people who believe I have no right to "own" these artifacts.

Question - would you consider these artifacts mine - or do you believe they actually belong to a collective of 3rd cousins 14-times removed?

Posted by: Jimbo at October 13, 2009 12:13 AM


I've just one question for those who believe Columbus' role in American history is overrated:

"Had the 'discovery' never occurred, had the Americas never been colonized by Europe, but all other things being equal, do any of you think that the American native peoples would today be living as they were at the time of Columbus?"

My guess would be that they'd be wearing blue jeans, driving cars, and watching satellite TV by now, just like the rest of us. As communication and transportation improved, they would have increasingly come in contact with the rest of the world and the ideas would have flowed. At best/worst, they'd be living as people do today in many Third World countries - aware of technology and modern life but unable to afford it.

Shattering of their culture, my ass.

Posted by: Cylar at October 13, 2009 2:08 AM


The idea that schools are teaching the nuances of history to school children is absurd for at least two reasons.

First, it is apparent from what the children are saying about Christopher Columbus that they've been taught he was bad. No nuance there. He was a bad man who came to the New World just so he could expand his bullying empire. There was no bravery involved in his actions, no risk taking, no vision. In other words, the children are still not learning both sides of history, they are only learning the negative side of Western civilization.

Second, as any mother will tell you, it takes quite some time for a child to develop intellectually to the point he or she can understand that a person can have both good and bad traits. For young children, a person is either good or bad, he can't be both, so the idea that you can teach young children the nuances of history is bogus for reasons relating to child development (i.e., they can't conceptualize ambiguities). Of course, this doesn't stop leftists from continually trying to treat children like mini-adults in spite of all the evidence that they are not.

Posted by: Judith M. at October 13, 2009 4:17 AM


@ Jimbo at October 13, 2009 12:13 AM
As someone whose major in college was Anthropology/Archaeology, I can tell you that scientists would prefer that you allow them to examine the artifacts and possibly the site where you found these things, but if you found it on private land, there isn't a damn thing anyone can do to force you to make that decision.
And as far as a collective of 3rd cousins 14-times removed- unless it's got someone's name on it- finders keepers.
Nice to hear about the artifacts from you and ~Argus. I've found a few myself, but from the Appalachian areas of the country, not nearly as old as Clovis.

Posted by: Murff at October 13, 2009 4:34 AM


Eric:

While I am sympathetic to the content of your post, it does contain a line that is in need of correction:

The entire knowledge of human exploration had no concept of something as basic as the earth being a sphere.

Washington Irving's 1828 biography of Columbus popularized the idea that Columbus had difficulty obtaining support for his his proposed westerly sea voyage to Asia because Europeans thought the Earth was flat. In fact, sea navigation of the time relied on the stars and the curvature of the spherical Earth. The knowledge that the Earth was spherical was widespread, and the means of calculating its diameter using an astrolabe was known to both scholars and navigators. A spherical Earth had been the general opinion of Ancient Greek science, and this view was absorbed by Rome, continued through the birth of the Catholic Church, and was widely known throughout the first millennium (for example, the Venerable Bede - a 7th century Dominican monk - mentions it his "The Reckoning of Time").

The truth of the matter is that Columbus found no support for his plan from the Catholic Monarchs of Spain, nor from the kings of Portugal, Genoa, Venice, or England - all for the same reason: they all believed that Columbus had drastically underestimated the distance from the shores of Western Europe to Eastern Asia - which he certainly had. Columbus believed the distance was about 2,400 miles; the actual distance is more than 12,000 miles, a distance which no ship of his time could possibly travel without re-supplying and repair at least a few times along the way. As no one in medieval Europe - including Columbus himself - was aware of the existence of the Americas, they all thought he and his party would be lost at sea. If not for the Americas being where they are, he most assuredly would have been.

However, it was the Catholic Monarchs of Spain who kept supporting him and eventually approved and sponsored his trip. Columbus was to be made "Admiral of the Seas" and, though any islands discovered would be claimed for Spain, Columbus would receive a portion of all profits. At the very least, it was hoped that Columbus could return with some booty from any islands he might find, and learn more about the easterly Trade Winds. That he landed in the Caribbean was a most happy accident.

Take care,

GR

Posted by: GeronimoRumplestiltskin at October 13, 2009 9:10 AM


Jimbo,

The Clovis point is yours. Once you remove an artifact from the place you found it, the item loses anthropoligal context. Had the item been found at a kill site with additional artifacts to back it up (animal bones that show butchering, chips from the sharpening process, charcoal, etc.) it would have more meaning. Washed into a streambed means it could have come from anywhere. It's a stray. Keep your very cool relic for yourself. Enjoy.

Posted by: ~Argus at October 13, 2009 5:07 PM


My grandpa used to complain that this country was ruined when we let all the "dagos" in. He didn't like the "micks" much either. Guess one man's hero is another man's "dago". All relative dude. Fortunately all angry old farts like him fade away.

BTW. Couldn't find the assertion that the Aztec's sacrificed a "quarter million" people a year in the link you included. Were you assuming nobody would check?

Posted by: gus burlimah at October 13, 2009 7:56 PM


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