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October 7, 2009

Pee Before You Fly

Posted by The MaryHunter at October 7, 2009 9:40 AM

In a profound move of eco-wackiness, Japanese airline All Nippon Airways has begun to ask its passengers to hit the can before they board, in an attempt to reduce their CO2 footprint.

All Nippon Airways (ANA) reasons that empty bladders means lighter passengers, which in turn means lighter aircraft and lower fuel use.

Don't all line up to buy your tickets at once, gaia fans.

The airline will position staff near the boarding gates in terminals to ask passengers waiting for their flight to relieve themselves before boarding the aircraft.

Expect a great flush of eco-madness throughout the air travel industry, as other airlines run to this outhouse of an idea.

[ANA] hopes that the weight saved will lead to a five-tonne reduction in carbon emissions over the course of a month.

In case you didn't know,

Flying is the fastest-growing source of carbon dioxide emissions, accounting for more than 600 million tons of the greenhouse gas per year.
A return flight between London Heathrow and New York’s John F Kennedy airport creates around 2700lb (1.35 tons) of CO2 per passenger – more than one-third the yearly emissions of an average person worldwide.
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Watch for ANA's new marketing campaign: "Fly free of pee, save a tree."

On a tip from Rush Limbaugh.


Comments

"more than one-third the yearly emissions of an average person worldwide"

The average person worldwide is some schmuck living in a mud hut. So how does that apply to me? [Oh, I'm supposed to devolve to that lifestyle. Okay.]

And... CO2 is a harmless trace gas absolutely necessary to life on Earth.

And... CO2 has been an order of magnitude higher than today with no ill effect.

And... etc.

What's next, a stewardess at the gangplank with a piss bucket? Or should I just pee on their shoes? Idiots.

Posted by: chuck in st paul at October 7, 2009 9:50 AM


Sounds almost like that planet in Hitchhiker's Guide that was losing mass to tourists, and instituted a policy of removing any you'd gained during your stay... surgically. We need lighter passengers, you sure you need both of those legs?

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at October 7, 2009 10:02 AM


If I was asked to relieve myself before boarding the plane, I'd just drop my pants and drop a deuce, right there.

Then point at it and scream "SHOVEL READY!"

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at October 7, 2009 10:08 AM


I'm getting really sick of people using the term "emissions" to describe CO2. Conservatives are even doing it. I'll stick with using the "emissions" to refer to actual pollution. But they don't even talk about real pollution anymore. "Emissions" is CO2 and only CO2 to these morons.

Anyway, I guess it's not a bad idea to take a leak before getting on a plane just to avoid having to use the little can on the plane.

Posted by: forest at October 7, 2009 10:09 AM


forest, ye speak true. On both accounts.

Oops, gotta go...

Posted by: The MaryHunter at October 7, 2009 10:23 AM


"Flying is the fastest-growing source of carbon dioxide emissions, accounting for more than 600 million tons of the greenhouse gas per year."

Queen Nancy, Al Gore, Bon Ki Moonbat and the other liberal elites simply must give up their government airplanes and Gulfstreams to save the planet ... it's really our only hope.

Or at least they can go No. 2 before they fly, that way they will be weightless before takeoff...

Posted by: Clingtomyguns at October 7, 2009 10:38 AM


They could just liposuction all the passengers and give them one of those drugs you take to clean out your digestive tract of several pounds of fecal matter. Imagine the savings!

Posted by: Bad Robot at October 7, 2009 10:41 AM


Well, don't know about the rest of you, but having had to wait for hours on a tarmac while a storm blew through I have learned that releasing all ballast, 'lightening the load', before boarding is a really good idea.

Posted by: IOpian at October 7, 2009 10:47 AM


"A fabulously beautiful planet, Bethselamin is now so worried about the cumulative eroision by ten billion visiting tourists a year that any net imbalance between the amount you eat and the amount you excrete whilst on the planet is surgically removed from your bodyw eight when you leave: so every time you go to the lavatory there it is vitally important to get a receipt."

HHGTTG

Posted by: RNB at October 7, 2009 11:10 AM


you ever smell a airplane men's room???
this is actually a great idea
unless the moonbats come to with a way to power the engines with people farts....

Posted by: blue at October 7, 2009 11:35 AM


What? Do all these people relieve themselves when they don't have to? I can't ever remember relieving myself without it being necessary. You might say these people have s...t for brains.

Posted by: oldguy at October 7, 2009 11:48 AM


The enviromental movment is all about a new age pagan wackos wanting to force us to a return to a miserble primative existence living in caves wearing animal hides(as long as their not from endanged species)eating nuts and berries cowering in the corner during a solar eclipes and sacrificing virgins to their various deities they worship

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at October 7, 2009 12:54 PM


Wait a second.

If all these people are relieving themselves when they don't have to, then they are using a full flush of water for a mostly empty bladder, thus increasing the total number of bathroom visits, and therefore, wasting water.

Somebody call the moonbat water police for wasting all this water. Maybe the water nuts can fight it out with the carbon nuts.

Posted by: Anonymous Countermoonbat at October 7, 2009 2:06 PM


IOpian has a point.

Anonymous Countermoonbat: Brilliant. I vote You for President!

Posted by: pomalom at October 7, 2009 2:12 PM


To the Japs and their airline I say, "piss off".

I'm "relieved" every time I stop and realize I don't have to subject myself to japanese airliners and their assinine ideas.

Posted by: Essaicheyetee-Bird at October 7, 2009 3:07 PM


Where are the moonbats to tell us how we are all a Luddites for not seeing the brilliance in this innovative thinking?

Posted by: Judith M. at October 7, 2009 3:46 PM


I think it's a great idea. Lighten the load. In fact, we should all eat a burrito before boarding, so we can each provide a little extra thrust.../g

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 7, 2009 3:49 PM


ATTC @ October 7, 2009 10:08 AM

The best laugh I've had in months! My sides hurt...

Posted by: Henry at October 7, 2009 4:02 PM


If all the ecofreaks stopped emitting CO2 problem solved would be solved.

Posted by: czekmark at October 7, 2009 4:13 PM


A return flight between London Heathrow and New York’s John F Kennedy airport creates around 2700lb (1.35 tons) of CO2 per passenger

What?

A 747 carries 524 passengers.

It's maximum payload is 154 tons.

A 747 cannot make 707 tons of CO2 in a single flight. Even if 2 thirds of the weight of the emissions come from thin air (it doesn't) it's still physically impossible for the aircraft to bring 200+ tons of carbon along for the ride.

Even if you half the amount of passengers The math still doesn't work.

Am I doing something wrong here? Where the heck did they get this statistic?

Posted by: Fangbeer at October 7, 2009 7:53 PM


You're patently wrong, Fangbeer. You see, what's presented is a moonbat statistic, and those are always correct regardless of what actually appears to be the truth.

Posted by: The MaryHunter at October 7, 2009 8:13 PM


Someone posted this on Moonbattery before but I'll repost it because it applies to the above "Moonbat Math."


Imagine doing geometry in Obama's reality.

Parallel lines can meet and diverge.

Axioms can change from problem to problem.

If a proof isn't working out, it is permitted to
substitute opinion for how it should be. Such opinion is given more weight than any fact.

One can divide by zero--in fact it is recommended. The result is whatever you want it to be.

Imaginary numbers are preferred. Expecially if you cube them and not square them.

Triangles can have more than three sides--this is called warping and was derived from economic theory--it is handy for making angles come out since one must avoid RIGHT angles at all costs.

Problems are worked out in a dimly lit room by a committee of people who have never had a math course in their lives, and it is done in a hurry without directions. But since the answers are already provided, they can do the problems easily.

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at October 7, 2009 8:48 PM


Geez --- the weight of the paint used on the plane is likely more that all of the passenger excrement combined, so just don't paint the planes. And what about all the magazines, pillows, blankets, food, beverages, crayons for the kiddies.... For real weight reduction, what about drastically redesigning or even removing the seats, removing the carpeting, TVs, projectors, etc. Compared to all of this, the human excrement is just a drop in the bucket....(groan - sorry - couldn't help myself)

Posted by: LouieLouie at October 7, 2009 9:25 PM


Wow, who knew piss was so heavy?

Posted by: Anonymous at October 8, 2009 8:17 AM


Hmm, Lets see. The upper limit for a normal human bladder is about 600 cubic cm and that is when you have to pee so bad that you are afraid you cannot get to the bathroom in time. The amount of urine when most people actually go pee is 150 cubic cm.

600 cubic cm of urine equals approximately 1.3 lbs in weight.

150 cubic cm of urine equals approximately .3 lbs in weight.

A fully loaded 747-400 has a max capacity of 524 passengers.

524 * 1.3 = 681.2
524 * .3 = 157.2

So they will eliminate only between 157.2 and 681.2 lbs.

I don't know how to even try to figure how much CO2 would be eliminated by reducing this amount of weight, but I would imagine you could purchase the "carbon credits" to "offset" it out of the change you could scavenge off the street at lunch hour.

Posted by: Varzil at October 9, 2009 1:58 PM


So I never really found where that number came from.

Carbon has an atomic weight of 12 and oxygen is 8. That means for every CO2 molecule, 42% of the mass of the molecule comes from the carbon. In the case of the fully loaded 747 scenario this would mean potentially that 297 tons of carbon needs to be stored on a plane that can only lift 154 tons. It's clear that this is preposterous, but what is the point at which the statistic could make sense?

To find out we'd have to make some assumptions about the other masses involved. The average American male, for example, weighs 190 lbs. The average female is about 155. The average luggage a passenger carries is about 40 lbs. So let's go with 213 lbs per person to be fair. (Piss notwithstanding.)

Next we'd need to know more about the fuel then I can find. What's the mass of the fuel per gallon? How many moles of carbon are there per gallon? Basically, once you add together the mass of the passengers, and the extra stuff in the fuel, how much lifting capacity is left for the carbon?

Posted by: Fangbeer at October 9, 2009 9:57 PM


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