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So who can ever trust these lying liberal left-wing news media their losing the trust of american citizens and NPR is just another bunch of left-wing propeganda artists

Could it be,,,, Could it????

well, they claim NPR listeners to be well-educated. That should disqualify them right there, but methinks their White Guilt is creeping in, now that they realize a true Communist is in the White House.

More likely, it may have more to do with the closing of Starbucks stores. It's as the old saw says: it's a recession when your neighbor loses his job, it's a depression when your neighborhood Starbucks closes.

it appears you may vote more than once...hehehe...

When I went out to check the current totals it said they had already counted my vote, so it looks like they are only counting one vote per IP address. That means the pummeling the White House is taking is for REAL.

BTW, pro Fox was up to 73% when I checked.

POTUS came to Boston last week to help his bud Patrick fund raise for a re-election bid. He couldn't fill the hall! Patrick's handlers had to go out on the street and give tickets away to get more people into the hall. The suckers that paid $250 for the tickets to hear the POTUS speak have my sympathy. Reported in the media? What do you think? How do I know this? I worked the event. Remember this is BOSTON! Yea that BOSTON! Dem Gov., Dem. House, Dem. Senate. Kerry/Frank/Kennedy country and he couldn't fill the hall.

Wow I just voted and it was up to 73%
I wonder how long before it either disappears or gets screwed with.

Another poll that the left will say doesn't count, simply because the numbers aren't in their favor.

Kind of like them saying, it's not going to rain, and when it does, saying that rain doesn't matter, I was still right.

NPR surely expected, that since this would not be a scientific poll, the numbers would go their way (viz, FOX isn't fair or balanced).

So its interesting that their intentionally-biased poll, probably meant for some later NPR-style propaganda, got dropped kicked.

This survey carries no weight in any event: its all in how the questions are asked, and who's interested in answering them.

Obama.

Bwaaahahaha!!!

75% and 17,027 votes @ 1:15

Heh, it's up to 75% supporting FNC now. You ago, Moonbattery readers.

75 to 25? Sounds like the total number of people listening to Air America: 100. Bwahahaha!

Fox up to 76%.
WH down to 20%
4% who want to pretend like they are "fair" by not picking sides

Internet polls are meaningless. Much ado about nothing.

And annon has never ever used their brains becuase they have no brains

Thanks for demonstrating the alternative.

Bastion of lib thought in the Northeast.... the Boston Globe... statistics for this year Readership 264,000 (that's in a 4.5 million person market). Sales -18.65% for the year. People are tired of their BS. Bye Bye Globe! I imagine they will not last until July of 2010. Talk about death by a 1000 paper cuts.....

Much ado about nothing.

I will not have you disparage our President.

Anonymous comments are meaningless. Much ado about nothing.

Good one, Otto.

5 brownie points for Evil Otto!

Quite funny. If I were to post an internet poll that supported the left you would be utterly contemptuous in your mocking.

Of course the right, as demonstrated by people who post here, is not long on intellectual honesty or consistency.

Wow. A non-scientific push-button poll, which allows people to vote over and over again. All you have to do is reboot your modem, and it changes your IP address (assuming your ISP uses dynamic IP addresses - and the vast majority of them do). It would be very easy for some right-wing fanatic to just sit there and cast a vote every 30 seconds.

I find it rather amusing that Fox News fans think that NPR is so liberal. It's true that many liberals are attracted to NPR. That's because NPR is comparatively accurate and in-depth. Most liberals like that. People who get their news from Fox tend to be the least informed people in America, while people who get their news from NPR are generally the most well informed. This has been studied scientifically:

http://tinyurl.com/osled

Of course, scientific studies have a liberal bias, right? I guess reality has a liberal bias, too.

Oh, one more thing: "NPR asked its pinky-lifting, latte-sipping readership..."

NPR is primarily radio. That's what the "R" is for. Radio. You don't read radios. You listen to them.

Idiot.

Nice try, parum dickus, but no...uh...cigar. Too many logical fallacies to catalogue.

But in any case, if your assertion is true, you've got nothing to worry about.

And yet, you're here...

"Too many logical fallacies to catalogue"

Please, do tell. Considering that I only wrote a few sentences, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to "catalogue" them.

Not that it matters, really - I wasn't trying to make a strictly logical argument (this isn't a college paper, you know). No, I was mainly just being a dick, because the author was talking shit about NPR and liberals. And it actaully is pretty funny to hear Fox fans put down NPR. Well, it's kind of funny. Kind of annoying, too, but I can live with it.

But, yes, you're right, I've nothing to worry about.

1. That's because NPR is comparatively accurate and in-depth.

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2. Most liberals like that.

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3. People who get their news from Fox tend to be the least informed people in America, while people who get their news from NPR are generally the most well informed.

Classic examples of "begging the question."

Oh, one more thing: "NPR asked its pinky-lifting, latte-sipping readership..."

NPR is primarily radio. That's what the "R" is for. Radio. You don't read radios. You listen to them.

Posted by: Biggus Diccus at October 27, 2009 7:12 PM

Lol. I doubt many people were listening to the web site where the poll is posted.

Bastion of lib thought in the Northeast.... the Boston Globe... statistics for this year Readership 264,000 (that's in a 4.5 million person market). Sales -18.65% for the year. People are tired of their BS. Bye Bye Globe! I imagine they will not last until July of 2010. Talk about death by a 1000 paper cuts.....

Posted by: FreeWillie at October 27, 2009 12:09 PM

FreeWillie: you might also be interested to know that the Wall Street Journal recently pushed USA Today off its perch as the top U.S. paper by Monday-Friday circulation (Globe is way down in 18th place):

THE WALL STREET JOURNAL -- 2,024,269 -- 0.61%
USA TODAY -- 1,900,116 -- (-17.15%)
THE NEW YORK TIMES -- 927,851 -- (-7.28%)
LOS ANGELES TIMES -- 657,467 -- (-11.05%)
THE WASHINGTON POST -- 582,844 -- (-6.40%)

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1004030291

So "too many logical fallacies to catalogue" = one logical fallacy. Or three, depending on how you're counting them. That's quite a catalogue.

You know what's especially funny, though? You didn't even identify the correct logical fallacy. Indeed, I did use a fallacious argument, but you apparently haven't detected it yet. You said I was using a "Begging the Question" argument, which isn't true in any of the three examples you listed. I'm still laughing about it even as I type this, it's freaking hilarious!

"Begging the Question" is when the conclusion is assumed in the original premise. For example, if I had said something like: "NPR has better news than fox, and I know this because Fox's news isn't as good as NPR's" - then, yes, I would've been Begging the Question. But that's not the case. Let's look at the first example you listed:

"That's because NPR is comparatively accurate and in-depth."

That is simply a statement. Argumentatively speaking, it is structurally identical to "My car can go faster than most cars." There's no logical fallacy in that statement.

Now, it may be that I'm technically wrong... it may be that my facts are wrong, and that my car actually isn't faster than most cars - but that's not a logical fallacy. Having your facts wrong is not a logical error, it's just having your facts wrong. The same goes for your second example: "Most liberals like that". It's just a statement. Even if it's not true, the *logic* is not fallacious. It's like saying "most kids like icecream".

Let's move on to your third example:

"People who get their news from Fox tend to be the least informed people in America, while people who get their news from NPR are generally the most well informed."

Ohhh, you almost came close on this one... but no cigar. I did make that claim, and then cited a scientific study which backed the statement up. Structurally, it would be the same as saying "People with blonde hair tend to drive the fastest, while people with gray hair tend to drive the slowest" and then citing a study which came to the same conclusion. Where's the "Begging the Question"? Where's the circular logic? Where's the fallacy?

Hey, don't feel bad, Guevara. I've studied logical fallacies quite a bit, and they can be a little tricky sometimes. But you seem like a bright person, and I'm sure that with some patience, a little elbow grease, and perhaps a professional tutor, you'll one day get it all figured out. Don't give up!

Now, for Mandible Claw:

"I doubt many people were listening to the web site where the poll is posted."

Ok, Mandible. I'll give you that one. You got me. What can I say? When you're right, you're right.

See? I'm fair. Maybe not balanced, but I'm fair.

Hey, you know what? This Fighting-on-the-Internet stuff is fun! Now I see why so many people do it. Maybe I'll start my own blog, hahahahahaha

Judging by the both the length and platitudinous bromidity of his post, I think that Parum Diccus is compensating for something, all right. Spot on, Jay G. Excellent observation. You seem intelligent- you must be an NPR listener...
BWAAAAAHAHA!



P.S.- AirAmerica!
BWAAAHAHAHA!! Made you laugh!

That's it, Jay? You're not going to play anymore? Damn. I was just starting to get into it. Maybe I will start my own blog...

Hey, I wonder if Murff sees the inherent irony of stringing the words "platitudinous" and "bromidity" together. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and just assume he was being facetious.

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