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September 11, 2009
Who Would Have Thought It?
If I had told you on September 11, 2001 that eight years later…
- We would have a president who picked as a close White House advisor someone who stated that America got what was coming to us 9-11, that the United States was a terrorist country, and whose minister had said the same.
- That the president who had kept the country safe from further terror attacks for eight years -- who turned Iraq and Afghanistan from our mortal enemies into our nominal allies -- would be reviled as a "war criminal."
- We would elect a president who would say Victory over the terrorists isn't really our objective.
- We would have a Congressional leadership that was ready to cede Afghanistan back to the Taliban, because they didn't think the public thought winning was worth it.
- The president and his administration would be forbidden to speak of the 'War on Terrorism' because the language was considered politically incorrect. Instead, of a terror attack, the events on 9-11-2001 would be considered merely a "man-caused disaster."
- Our Supreme Court would have concluded that the foreign terrorists who destroyed the WTC were entitled to the same Constitutional Rights as the Americans they butchered.
- We would have a president eager to bring terrorists onto American soil, and would have released other terrorists to taxpayer paid vacations in tropical paradises.
- The president and his party would be seeking to prosecute intelligence agents who put their lives on the line to protect Americans from another attack.
- We would have members of an entire political party who thought pouring water on a terrorist's nose to save American lives was a horror beyond the pale.
- Hollywood would have released several movies depicting our soldiers and intelligence services as the bad guys (Redacted, Syriana, War Inc, Lions for Lambs, In the Valley of Elah), and the terrorists as innocent victims (Rendition).
- A film-maker who described Islamic terrorists as "equivalent to our Minutemen" would be given a place of honor in the president's box at the DNC convention.
- We would have a president who apologized to Islamic countries for America defending ourselves against terrorists.
- We would have a president that stood by and did nothing while the world's leading sponsor of terror developed nuclear weapons.
- Our borders would still be wide open, and two successive administrations would have done nothing to secure them.
- An environmental group would use the horrific images of the murder of 2,800 people as part of a hip, edgy ad campaign.
Would you have believed me? Would you have thought all this was insane? Would you have been outraged? Would you have thought it possible on 9-11-2001, that eight years later our national leadership would be once again gutting our military, tying up our intelligence agencies in bureaucratic knots, and retreating to the same failed 'terrorism is a law enforcement matter' approach that led to the attacks on the World Trade Center to begin with?
What would you have said if you knew all this would happen after 9-11-2001, besides, 'Good God, what happened to this country? How did we let this happen? How did we forget?'
Update: According to the official 9-11-2009 Presidential 9-11 Proclamation, the events of 9-11-2001 weren't terrorist attacks, they were "heinous crimes." Just crimes, you know, like dealing coke, or tax evasion, or facilitating child prostitution.
Posted by Gregory of Yardale at September 11, 2009 5:00 AM
Comments
that sign pretty much sums up liberal thought.
Posted by: weewilly at September 11, 2009 5:28 AM
Posted by: TED at September 11, 2009 5:40 AM
"WE" didn't forget, "WE" ignored a cancer growing in this country thinking "Oh they're just spoiled children, they can't do any harm." "WE" can put up with them. Like letting your 4 year old drive your car. Could "WE" have expected anything else!?
"WE" didn't heel our children!
2010 - Take your keys away from them!
Posted by: TED at September 11, 2009 5:53 AM
Thank you for this very important post. We will NEVER forget..at least those of us who love this nation. The photo is so difficult to see as our nation has made incredible sacrifices to allow for freedoms that, unfortunately, allow for abject idiots to protest in such a dispicable manner. It will also be what allows us to turn our nation around. We will rise and take it back. Thank you for keeping the memory of 9-11 alive.
Posted by: Ld at September 11, 2009 6:51 AM
Who is that cowardly jerk holding that stupid sign why dont he want his cowardly face seen?
Posted by: SPURWING PLOVER at September 11, 2009 7:05 AM
uh actually the press release from the white house DOES call 9/11 terrorist attacks - from the second to last paragraph: "...and to observe a moment of silence beginning at 8:46 a.m. eastern daylight time to honor the innocent victims who perished as a result of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001"
try reading the entire release for once. you'll look a lot smarter.
Posted by: i can read at September 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Ld,Ted, All my moonbattery friends,
I'll go anywhere with you. Back to back,taking all comers.
2010/2012/2013
I want OUR country back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: czuch at September 11, 2009 7:22 AM
Ld,Ted, All my moonbattery friends,
I'll go anywhere with you. Back to back,taking all comers.
2010/2012/2013
I want OUR country back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: czuch at September 11, 2009 7:23 AM
I checked out Google's home page for today. No surprises here, it's moonbat business as usual. It's the same ol' boring multi-colored logo. Unlike the Tetris look-alike logo earlier this year. Perhaps it was on the D-Day anniversary. No, computer games are more important than world military history and the liberation of Europe from Nazis. Sheesh, what a bunch of liberal-ass losers. Damn-ass shameful. So much for Google's "do no evil" mantra. They are nothing more than a bunch of sick-ass, ungrateful, sorry-ass, stone-cold hearted, suck-ass, brain dead bastard-ass SOB's.
Meanwhile over at Bing's homepage, there is an excellent, photograph of the "tower of light" in New York City.
Posted by: Graycat at September 11, 2009 7:27 AM
Is this the time to point out the despite the busy days Obama has picking up the pieces of teh W 'raw neglect' economy, he is also maintaining a perfect no-hitter against domestic terrorism?
Which means, of course... that our leader acting like a grown up, rational man (instead of a retarded cowboy) is... wait for it... WORKING.
I'll leave the monkeys to dance alone today; I am volunteering to clean up a local park. (Lemme guess - i'm a 'socialist' now, right?) Which I am sure all you compassionate conservatives that care about your towns are doing too. Aren't you?
Posted by: Anonymous at September 11, 2009 7:28 AM
Now that we are fighting the overseas contingency plan all will be well in the world.
I WILL NEVER FORGET.
Posted by: Jenn at September 11, 2009 7:34 AM
The current president of the United States has not clearly disavowed, with any real energy, the popular liberal notion that America got what was coming to it on 9-11.
In contrast, BO has bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, a country that supported the terrorists.
It’s probably too much to grant insight to the Islamic terrorists who organized and carried out the 9-11 atrocities.
But its conceivable that if they read American liberalism correctly, the terrorists could have anticipated bringing down America by exciting the country’s traitorous base of useful liberal idiots.
If the terrorists had realized that mass murder wasn't just an act of fealty to Mohammed, but would also provide a rallying cause for the American liberal base to use to destroy their own country, they couldn’t have come up with a better plan.
Posted by: Fiberal at September 11, 2009 7:39 AM
Funny how those who blame "W" for the bad economy now conveniently forget that Democrats had complete control of Congress after the 2006 elections. Now Bush didnt challenge the Dummycrats and rubber stamped almost every bill they sent him, which is why so many conservatives abandoned him. So what exactly, since 2006 did Bush veto that the Dummycrats proposed to keep the economy from tanking? I mean he almost never used his veto pen. He could put it on Ebay "One Presidential Veto Pen - Near mint condition, hardly ever used"
Posted by: Reality Agent at September 11, 2009 7:45 AM
czuch - "Back to back,taking all comers.
2010/2012/2013
I want OUR country back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
That country only exists in your mind, old man.
Get the net. Embrace the future. And accept the fact that our current leadership is keeping us safer than an army of Dick Cheney torturers.
Don;t forget the real lesson of 9/11 - we are all Americans. Talking about taking on all comers makes you sound just as crazy as the bombers themselves... sure you want to go that way?
Posted by: Anonymous at September 11, 2009 8:05 AM
Anonpansy: Since when do I, or anyone else, have to perform an "act of service" today, or anyday in order to deemed a "good, useful, citizen" and to "give back to my community" and to remember September 11, 2001? Each of us can pay tribute in our own way.
Whatever happened to "citizenship?" No, not citizenship as in residency type citizenship but citizenship as in being a good citizen on a daily basis. I try. I drive the speed limit. I don't blow through red lights (it happens alot where I live), I don't pass a bunch of other drivers on the right by driving on the shoulder of the roadway, just to save myself three minutes commute time, when I write a check, it doesn't bounce, I don't drive like Jeff Gordon in my neighborhood. Mother or pearl, I'm old enough to remember that when I was in elementary school, kids actually received a grade in "citizenship." Did we wait to be called on by raising our hand? Did we cover our mouth when we coughed or sneezed? We were repectful of the teacher and our classmates? Did we keep our hands to ourselves? All sorts of things. That couldn't be done today, lest we rip self-esteem from school kids by infriging their "individuality." Go ahead and help clean up a park. That's fine. More power to you. But spare us rest of us the guilt trip the sanctimonious preachy attitude.
Posted by: Graycat at September 11, 2009 8:12 AM
Re: Anonymous at September 11, 2009 7:28 AM
I am volunteering to clean up a local park.
Interesting. Stating one's opinion is generally done using one's name, or in the accepted protocol of an internet comment thread, using a unique handle as a way to "own" his/her comments, and so that others can track his/her comments, and know who it is they are responding to. On the other hand, true charity is generally done quietly, without boast, and without any attempt to draw attention to oneself.
You have chosen the opposite course: post as 'Anonymous' (given the different writing styles of the various posters who post as 'Anonymous', I have no idea who you are) and boast of your service. Perhaps, in lieu of your posting additional self-flattering comments, you might want to examine why it is you feel the need to exhibit this behavior.
That is all.
Posted by: GeronimoRumplestiltskin at September 11, 2009 8:14 AM
A day never to forget. To be remembered solemnly. My son is participating in a ceremony tonight, as part of Boy Scouts Color Guard. Waiting for the booger-picking libtards to smear their feces on everything, as they're wont to do.
Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at September 11, 2009 8:15 AM
I know the types that clean up a park or street. They typically do this on Earth Day (I guess now they are expanding to 2 days a year!) but the rest of the year the parks are littered with trash - in between the weekly or monthly sweeps by the public works department. Mostly the people puffing out their chests saying "I cleaned up a park today" are usually into acts of hollow sanctimonious symbolism. A few are out there every other day cleaning up local alleys and such, as I do, but they are few and far between.
Posted by: Reality Agent at September 11, 2009 8:29 AM
Don;t forget the real lesson of 9/11 - we are all Americans. Anonymous at September 11, 2009 8:05 AM
NO we are NOT all Americans. However, for those of us that are American in spirit, not just address, WE want the INDEPENDENCE-AND-FREEDOM-LOVING SPIRIT of our country back. Our ancestors fought for independence and we will too, from the plague of taxation and government usurpery from facist thugs - foriegn or domestic. Don't even put me in the same catagory as your subjective self.
Posted by: Tess at September 11, 2009 8:40 AM
Cleaning up the park? isn't that what court ordered community service is for? Thanks for letting us know that you are a convicted criminal!
Posted by: Stephana at September 11, 2009 8:42 AM
GR, I think that how many ever post under the "name" anonymous are just the minions of Du or Kos, going forth to do the good works of liberalism, er, progressiveism, uh, socialism, hmmm, communism, or whatever their ism of the day is. The statement of this particular anon is hilarious, as he's going out to "clean up a local park". Wow, why didn't he do it last week, last month, last year? Anything to try to make the evening news, push the remembrance of 9-11 off the news, much as ABC, NBC and CBS have done today.
Posted by: UpNorth at September 11, 2009 8:43 AM
Talking about taking on all comers makes you sound just as crazy as the bombers themselves... sure you want to go that way?
Yes. Abso-fucking-lutely yes. All enemies, foreign and domestic.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2009 8:54 AM
The idiot holding the sign in that pic is a mainstream liberal.
Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 11, 2009 8:56 AM
that our leader acting like a grown up, rational man (instead of a retarded cowboy) is... wait for it... WORKING.
Reading a Teleprompter is working? Or do you mean when he vacations on Martha's vineyard, or goes on date night with his Klingon female, or when he's playing golf, or when he is otherwise wee-weed up? (Which I'm guessing is most of the time.)
Posted by: V the K at September 11, 2009 9:11 AM
As far as I can tell, all Obama does is give speeches and apologize for the US. Reid and Pelosi draft legislation (e.g., stimulus bill).
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2009 9:18 AM
Dick Cheney torturers
Anonymous Fecesforbrains at September 11, 2009 8:05 AM
Try this for torture:
A Somali Islamic court has amputated the hands of two men accused of theft.
An eyewitness says kitchen knives (my italics since you are likely to miss it) were used to amputate a hand off each of the screaming men on a large table.
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,548262,00.html
And keep in mind that torture is done for no real reason than to terrify other people and to satisfy the decadence of the torturers.
(Of course, I suppose that being forced to tolerate liberals is a kind of torture.)
Insipid fool.
Posted by: Anonymous at September 11, 2009 9:43 AM
"Is this the time to point out the despite the busy days Obama has picking up the pieces of teh W 'raw neglect' economy,"
Oh he's doing a great job of cutting that massive debt W created. And unemployment is shrinking at a phenomenal rate. But please, carry on making an utter arse out of yourself.
"he is also maintaining a perfect no-hitter against domestic terrorism?"
So an event such as, say a Muslim convert killing, oh I don't know, a military recruiter has yet to happen on American soil under Obama? Do you ever get anything right ever?
"Which means, of course... that our leader acting like a grown up, rational man (instead of a retarded cowboy) is... wait for it... WORKING."
I don't expect a basement dwelling beta-weenie to have a clue about how adults behave, but rational adults in government don't create dozens of "Czars" then give the positions to self-avowed Communists, truthers and eugenics nuts who advocate forced abortions.
Posted by: Smorfia48 at September 11, 2009 9:43 AM
"he is also maintaining a perfect no-hitter against domestic terrorism"
It's not the end of the first inning yet. In fact, Obama's just finishing his (girly-man) warmup tosses. Kinda early to be talking about no-hitters.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2009 10:03 AM
Ever notice how "debate" for liberals is all Hit and Run, Misinformation, Condescension and Cursing?
You would think that individuals with such high regard for their own Position and Place in the Universe would at least be concerned about mangling the IQ bell curve so badly.
Posted by: Fiberal at September 11, 2009 10:14 AM
Yep, and misdirection too. When they're clearly on a losing argument, they'll derail the thread onto something else.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2009 10:17 AM
I’m sure your readers would richly enjoy another long post by me in which I refute your flagrantly absurd 15 bullet points that evidence what you would consider our country’s patriotic “rot” and our heinous retreat from the sad memory of 9/11. I find your use of 9/11 to justify everything from torture to the gleeful destruction of one of the most culturally advanced countries in the Middle East to be right up there with the criminal insanity of the Cheney/Bush way of thinking. But let’s just leave that for another day.
If you really want to honor the death of so many on that day why don’t you let up for a second with your childish fantasies of false heroes and over-inflated villains and advocate for some people who really could use a little attention. I am speaking of the men and women, the real forgotten heroes of 9/11, who unselfishly rushed forward to tear apart the twisted rubble and lift the shattered steel of that wrecked structure to help save people and also retrieve the remains of victims for later sacred burial.
It is unfortunate that, largely due to the unforgivable lies by the Bush Administration (what else is new, eh?) many of these unsung heroes now suffer sickness, death and disability as a result of the toxic air at ground zero.
“I mean, we were there for them when they needed us. And, you know, they told us—Christine Whitman stood there, and I don’t care what she says about it. She said the pile was different. She’s a liar. I was standing there. She did not say that the air was different on the pile. She stood on the pile with her mask below her neck and talked to us and told us we were heroes and said the air was fine, and she put the mask back on, and she got back in her car, and she left, you know, and went back to New Jersey where it was safe. So she’s a liar, and that’s all she is.”
-- Joe Picurro, disabled New Jersey steel worker
I think it is time you people get a grip on reality and started doing some things to truly heal this country and its people—starting with a real honoring of the real heroes of 9/11.
Peace,
Bob Boldt
Posted by: Bob Boldt at September 11, 2009 10:45 AM
starting with a real honoring of the real heroes of 9/11.
Which, in your deranged moonbat mind, are Ward Churchill, Medea Benjamin, Rosie O'Donnell, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
Posted by: V the K at September 11, 2009 10:53 AM
one of the most culturally advanced countries in the Middle East
... are we talking about the same country? I think you missed the part where they refer to women as lower beings, exercise barbaric killings if you don't conform, honor killings (you know, a family member murdering a family member), long long long history of terrorist supporters/leaders, intolerance to other religions, murdering gays because it doesn't fit with Islam...
You're off your rocker Bobby-boy. Culturally advanced? More like culturaly challenged.
Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at September 11, 2009 11:40 AM
And speaking of mangling the IQ bell curve, I almost forgot the liberal hallmark of debate: mawkish, self-righteous purity.
I find your use of 9/11 to justify everything from torture to the gleeful destruction of one of the most culturally advanced countries in the Middle East to be right up there with the criminal insanity of the Cheney/Bush way of thinking. Bob Boldt at September 11, 2009 10:45 AM.
Bob, I find your use of 9/11 to jumble every liberal talking point into one sputtering glob of mawkish, self-righteous stupidity right up there with the mindless nonsense of the truthers.
BTW Christine Whitman was an elitist, an opportunist, prosecuted police officers to cover up her own indiscretions, was ineffective as NJ governor and a token for the Bush administration and now for large companies; in others words, pretty much a liberal.
Dragging out a straw man RINO is not a very convincing way to convince us how enlightened you are (or to make whatever point it is you're trying to make about lying politicians and disabled steel workers).
Posted by: Fiberal at September 11, 2009 11:41 AM
And since you brought up torture, do you honestly think that you could sit down with your portfolio of Bush interrogation methods and describe "torture" to a man who just had his hand cut off with a kitchen knife? (see my earlier post above)
Yeah. You're real enlightened.
(Sorry, didn't mean to throw you with the word 'honestly')
Posted by: Fiberal at September 11, 2009 11:59 AM
The most amusing thing about liberals? Their total lack of any sense of irony.
Bob Boldt wrote:
I find your use of 9/11 to justify everything from torture to the gleeful destruction of one of the most culturally advanced countries in the Middle East to be right up there with the criminal insanity of the Cheney/Bush way of thinking.
and
...why don’t you let up for a second with your childish fantasies of false heroes and over-inflated villains...
and
I think it is time you people get a grip on reality and started doing some things to truly heal this country...
and then somehow thought it fitting, after repeatedly insulting both the host of this blog and its commenters, to sign off his screed with
Peace,
I used to think this blog needed a better class of troll, but I've changed my mind. The ones that post here are just too damn funny for me to want to see them leave.
Posted by: GeronimoRumplestiltskin at September 11, 2009 12:08 PM
the sad memory of 9/11
It's not a sad memory, you pussy, it's an enraging memory.
...to the gleeful destruction of one of the most culturally advanced countries in the Middle East...
They're sheep shaggers culturally compared to the Germans or the Japanese, and we clobbered the bejesus out of them too. Your point?
childish fantasies of false heroes and over-inflated villains
WTF are you talking about? Or do you not know either?
doing some things to truly heal this country and its people
We are – by killing our nation's enemies. Overseas division, at least.
War,
Jay Guevara
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2009 1:47 PM
I don't know how the rest of you feel, but after reading this, I believe feeding time for the Tree of Liberty is past due
Posted by: bryan at September 11, 2009 3:18 PM
That, and/or the Tree needs some decorations hanging from it.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2009 3:36 PM
"Yep, and misdirection too. When they're clearly on a losing argument, they'll derail the thread onto something else."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2009 10:17 AM
Best description yet of Wellstoned's M.O.
Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 11, 2009 4:05 PM
"Look, a puppy!"
Where is Wellstone today, anyway? Out celebrating 9/11? Or working in the ACORN brothel?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 11, 2009 4:10 PM
Bob Boldt at September 11, 2009 10:45 AM
"I’m sure your readers would richly enjoy another long post by me in which I refute your flagrantly absurd 15 bullet points"
Another? How about you try it for the first time?
"It is unfortunate that, largely due to the unforgivable lies by the Bush Administration (what else is new, eh?)."
Got any specifics? I'll grow old waiting for them.
"I think it is time you people get a grip on reality and started doing some things to truly heal this country and its people—starting with a real honoring of the real heroes of 9/11."
A lecture on reality from a foaming Moonbat who clearly blames Bush and Cheney for 9-11, rather than the IslamoNazis who actually perpetrated the attack. As if that doesn't take the cake, we also get a lecture on healing America from someone whose irrational hatred against The Former President is SURE to heal wounds. As if. The "Real Heroes of 9-11"? I suppose in YOUR mind, they must be AL-Qaeda, right?. Let me explain the situation to you genius: We ARE honoring the victims of 9-11, by demanding their murderers and the poisonous ideology that spawned them be pursued to the ends of the Earth and exterminated like the verminous disease they truly are.
You can stop wondering why most Americans view you moonbats as craven, terrorist ass-kissing weasels. It's precisely because of the type of babbling nonsense you've posted here.
Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at September 11, 2009 4:20 PM
Boy did that post ever shake the bushes – and what a boiling mass of violent, frantic, raging critters fell out. I’m beginning to really enjoy this!
It is interesting that only two or three posts even chose to respond to anything close to the main thrust of my remarks. As to the real heroes of 9/11—not even a casual reading would cause you to come up with the idea that I would have included as heroes of 9/11, Rosie O’Donnell or al Qaeda. Oh, I see, you are attempting impertinence or even irony – something I’m not supposed to be familiar with. Thanks for missing the point completely. Would it have killed you to agree with me that the poor volunteer responders should at least get the help they deserve and have so far been denied by both the Bush and Obama administrations and the Congress?
And thanks for really helping me make my point about Christine Whitman with your attack on her. She was lame and only a mindless conduit for the lies of the Bush Administration. Thanks for helping me make that point. And appointee Whitman was only one lame-o in a vast, seeming unending army of “heck of a job” incompetents at all levels of government under Bush. Like Obama or not, you have to admit it is nice to have the return of a minimal level of competence to government again.
That’s about all I have to say about that. As to the rest of you, you will just have to foam-on until I can get to you, as the hour is growing late. Be patient, your turn will come, I promise.
Peace!
Bob Boldt
PS
Since a couple of you mistook my reference to “one of the most culturally advanced countries in the middle east.” I thought I should clear up the misunderstanding. I was not trying to be oblique. I thought my reference was so obvious that to actually name the country seemed unnecessary–like you guys might refer to “the greatest country on earth” and never guess that anyone would say “Sweden.”
So try to focus while we play a little quiz:
Question #1 What two countries in the Middle East have we most set out to gleefully destroy since 9/11?
Afghanistan and Iraq. Right!
Question #2 What country PRIOR to our invasion: Had the highest per capita literacy rate in the region and universal education, Had a proud heritage as the cradle of civilization, Had all women who were encouraged to seek an education and enjoyed rights equivalent to most western countries, Had a government that was secular Islamic and practiced a definite ideological and functional hostility toward fundamentalist Islamic terrorists, And, in spite of the crippling UN sanctions, actually had an operational, if struggling, infrastructure, And….was one of the most culturally advanced countries in the Middle East?
If your answer to Question #2 was Afghanistan, as all of the posts on the topic seemed to imply, you get a zero. Are you ready for the answer…the envelope please...
It’s Iraq!
Too bad they no longer teach history (or geography) in the government schools.
Posted by: Bob Boldt at September 11, 2009 11:42 PM
Bob, Bob, Bob.
Let's see if I can help you with what it is you're trying to say here:
(1) volunteer responders should get the help they deserve
...okay
(2)Christine Whitman was lame
...I made that point in detail
(3) Bush lied
...('face-palm')
(4)Iraq was great until we came along
...('continue face-palm')
(5) The BO administration is better than Bush's
Okay. So here we have a philanthropic proposition, an attack on a RINO, the "Bush lied" canard, some kind of muddled generality about an enlightened Iraq and a false and unsubstantiated dichotomy supporting (no surprise) BO.
Let me suggest something to you, Robert.
The reason you're disappointed with the feedback that you're fishing for may be bc your points are feeble, overly-broad, numerous and really pose nothing specific, original, insightful or interesting.
But so what? Any monkey can keep trying.
And as BO said when he was scolding the CIA, "That's how we learn."
Posted by: Fiberal at September 12, 2009 12:25 PM
Fiberal,
First of all, let me compliment you on the civility of your post, a rare thing on this site. I appreciate it. You have to admit it though, your suggestions to help me improve my communication skills do sound a bit disingenuous.
If I ever was disappointed with the feedback on this site and a couple of other RW fringe sights I disrupt with my importunity, I am no longer. Most of the comments on this blog read better than a script for All In The Family. I have begun sharing some of the choicest of the reactions I have inspired, with my fellow Liberals (Moonbats to you.) They express far more consternation at these ranting commentators and their -- lack of intelligence, slowness of wit, poor grasp of facts and low impulse control than I have.
I try at least to be a little polite to you-all. I have passed along some of the Right Wing fringe website addresses to fellow Moonbats who, for some strange reason, have taken quite a bit of an exception to these bizarre opinions. You may expect some of their comments to be showing up on the RW fringe blogs soon. Your days of talking only to yourselves in your dark little hermetically sealed part of the Internet may be over.
Your quote,
“…your points are feeble, overly-broad, numerous and really pose nothing specific, original, insightful or interesting.”
seems to embody in itself the very essence of the defects you find in my posts. Standing, not as a summation, but as the only attempt at discounting my talking points, makes it all the more an example.
Well at least I cannot fault your quote for being feeble. It is pretty forceful and pointed even if it is overly-broad, etc. The reason you mistook my civility for feebleness is that my comments generally try to stay away from attack-dogging the people who framed the post in preference for the pursuit of the facts, the issues, the movements and the public figures.
And perhaps you can explain how my points were too unspecific?
You can start with my rebuttal of the contention that Iraq did not have an advanced culture by westerns standards. (I am so hurt that you considered my rather detailed, statistics about pre-invasion Iraq “Muddled Generalities.” My gods man, if you expect volumes of minutiae validation for the most pedestrian points, my documentation would come close to crashing your server. And besides, your poor semi-literate friends (who even have trouble telling two countries apart) certainly would not appreciate that. If you remember, my interlocutors actually called the Iraqis: culturally challenged, advocates of women as lower beings and sheep shaggers.
And could I have been more specific about documenting my “philanthropic” statement? I didn’t think it needed much more documentation than the quote from the steel worker, which no one challenged. No one asserted that, when Christine Whitman lied about the air quality on the pile, it did not represent the official Bush line. One thing you can say for Bush, is he kept all his people “on point” RINO or not. If you include the “heck of a job” obleque reference–that makes two specific, detailed, substantiated points about incompetent Bush appointees. Are you denying that the appointment of “Attaboy” Brownie (wholly unqualified, by any rubric other than “horse show official” -- long before Katrina) did not turn out to be a disasterious appointment? No one tried to lay a glove on either point. The concluding comment about the “unsubstantiated dichotomy supporting (no surprise) BO” i.e. the refreshing return to competent government was only a concluding remark about the incompetence of the Bush Administration. I suppose I should have quoted chapter and verse on exactly how the Obama Administration is more competent on nearly every level than its predecessor. But as you see here, justifying and documenting each and every gd point is really exhausting. Have you guys ever heard of Google?
http://www.google.com
I wish you had been in the debate club in college. When you refute an argument you usually try to address the specific statement, first as true or false and then provide multiple documentation to substantiate your assertion. You do not win an argument with a ‘face-palm’ (not a generally allowed protocol in serious debates.) Accusing the opponent’s arguments of being feeble, overly-broad, numerous and really posing nothing specific, original, insightful or interesting, may be good reinforcing points but they cannot stand as refutation rebuttal unless you demonstrate in what WAY they are feeble, etc.
So again, I’m in here with the long post already. It was the only way I could be sure I would not be, once again, accused of not being specific enough or overly-broad. As for my originality, insightfulness and interest, I will leave that to my many critics and detractors on both the Left and the Right.
And please, Fiberal, et al, its time you drop the incessant defense of Bush’s honesty. That train left the station years before Bush and Cheney slithered off into the night. If I hear one more mention of the “Bush liar canard”, I swear I will answer in detail. I have actually begun a comprehensive list of all the Bush lies, but their huge volume has already crashed my hard drive. They are countless and more numerous than all the stars in the sky!
After reading this blog for a little while, I have yet to find anyone really interested in knowing or demonstrating the truth behind all of your rhetorical sturm und drang. When someone challenges, all you do is up the volume.
I welcome your comments but I will not be responding to any more attacks on this blog for a while. I am growing tired of the repetition (yours, not mine – I never grow tired of mine HaHa.) And I will move on to other pastures for a while. So many to offend, so little time….
Peace,
B
Posted by: Bob Boldt at September 12, 2009 5:08 PM
orrection to previous post:
"Are you denying that the appointment of “Attaboy” Brownie (wholly unqualified, by any rubric other than “horse show official” -- long before Katrina) did not turn out to be a disasterious appointment?"
should read:
"Are you saying that the appointment of “Attaboy” Brownie (wholly unqualified, by any rubric other than “horse show official” -- long before Katrina) did not turn out to be a disasterious appointment?"
Posted by: Bob Boldt at September 12, 2009 5:16 PM


