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will obama lead the prayer?

I guess thats why Obama will be in Pittsburgh that day for the G-20 summit. He wants to be out of town in case it turns into the 50,000 suicide bomber march.

And Conservatives have done what to stop the Islamification of the USA?

I'm telling you, I hate you Great American Wimps more than Leftists.

You love the 2nd amendment but will never, ever use it.

You just constantly get run over and take it!

Thought this was not legal on federal property. So now it is only separation of Christianity and State?

i get that you are all anti-islam (which is fine, those fuckers are bonkers) but you are still blissfully unrepentant that the christian right is just as bonkers.

If you want to mock and deride faith-based anything appearing in politics (and dont confuse the issue here - they think that they are 'doing god's work' just like you do), i applaud it; just make sure you include the christian crazies as well.

And in that perfect world, the jesus-based blue laws would disappear, I could even buy beer before noon on Sunday and not miss the kickoff. Ahh, what a wonderful world it would be.

RE: Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 10:19 AM

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Anon?

You are either a troll coming over here playing that s#it, or you really, really don't get it, do you?

Everyone falls short of perfection in their faith, some more than others. The thing is, read the New Testament and the Koran. Violence and oppression are not a part of Christianity, whereas they are fundamental in Islam. So, those muslims who are not suicide bombers are the hypocrits, not the ones who are. Overall, as an atheist, I'd far rather hang around with the Christians, only very few of whom are actually nuts, than with the diaperheads who are directed to chop my head off as a nonbeliever. The religions are not equivalent.

Hey anon buy your beer on Saturday you dumbass. By the way can you even poor piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the bottom?

read last sentence

"Washington, D.C. - On September 25th there will be a national prayer gathering of Muslims on the west front of the U.S. Capitol Building. They are expecting at least 50,000 to attend from mosques all across America. They will gather to pray from 4:00 AM until 7:00 PM. The gathering will take place by the site where U.S. Presidents have been inaugurated since 1981. The organizers say that it was Obama's inauguration speech in January and his speech broadcast from Egypt in June that gave them the idea for this prayer gathering on Capitol Hill."

I'm not ready to poop on this, yet. If I see American flags, it might be a silent majority of moderate muslims coming out of the closet. I think muslim extremists fear and loathe a moderate muslim majority more than anything.

If Islam just disappeared, I wouldn't miss anything about it, but if it has to exist, we need the moderates on our side. I know the fundamental theology is whacked, but we can get along with the moderates.

I know a registered Republican muslim who drinks; I'll drink with him before I'll drink with a liberal. We actually have more in common.

The islamoncapitolhill.com site says "our time has come", which is distressing. I hope it means it's time for moderates to speak up for America. Let's hope.

I'll watch to see how that "hope" works out.

No doubt, BO's Ramadan celebration at the White House didn't do anything to damp enthusiasm for an Islamic cluster-F.

We drink Saturday's beer on Saturday. And I shouldn't have to pretend that the rleigious blue laws are anything but a damnable intrusion into life.

Strange, huh? I have never been killed in a suicide attack (and none of you have, either, it would appear), but I am inconvenienced every week by the jesus-freaks we have here.

This is me, an American citizen, getting railroaded by external forces. Aren't you all supposed to be up-in-arms over that?

No more whining about the muslims until you get your christians out of my hair too.

anon

Move to Vegas you can buy alcohol 24/7.

Anon is obviously the instant gratification type of libturd. Buy just enough to get through that day and don't think of your future needs. Thank you anon you answered my question about pouring piss out of boot to a tee.

Strange, huh? I have never been killed in a suicide attack (and none of you have, either, it would appear), but I am inconvenienced every week by the jesus-freaks we have here.
Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 11:43 AM

i have never been killed in any kind of attack, but i seem to remember something happening 8 years ago, i think it happened in new york, muslims were involved and people were killed if i remember correctly, i mean seriously can these trolls be any dumber? reminds me of irish bulls "if i could drop dead, i'd be the happiest man alive.""He'll regret it till his dying day, if ever he lives that long.""He'd be turning in his grave if he were alive today."

I know that these idiots are just trolls but they do steam me. Anon, and Libtard or whoever you pickleheads are STFU. Go back to your basement, tell MOM what you want her to bring you for dinner, take your bathrobe off and listen to your Kanye West tunes on your Ipod or whatever you do. It is obvious you are clueless. I like Ann Coulter's idea, bomb them, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. You assholes don't even understand the underpinings of your own country. Oh by the way us christians just take your insults, the Muslims will kill you for nonconformity. Seems simple to me. You see a prayer gathering, I see a target. Sorry, no cheeks left, had to turn the last two on 9/11.

A Veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a check made payable to "The United States of America", for an amount of "up to and including my life." Simple enough for ya?!

listen i do not live close enough to d.c. todo this but how about a bunch of people get there with portable and start playing Kate Smith s God Bles America at the same time

"i get that you are all anti-islam (which is fine, those fuckers are bonkers) but you are still blissfully unrepentant that the christian right is just as bonkers."

Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 10:33 AM

Here is a detailed list of Islamic Terror attacks from the past two months:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

I challenge you to produce a comparable list of Christian terror attacks. I know you won't be able to, so I'll just tell you now what a breathtakingly Ignorant asswipe you are.

"Strange, huh? I have never been killed in a suicide attack (and none of you have, either, it would appear), but I am inconvenienced every week by the jesus-freaks we have here.
Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 11:43 AM"

Sure, 25% of British Muslims support jihad the murder of apostates and the imposition of Sharia, the rape rate has shot up six fold in Sweden since their moonbat government decided to import hordes of tribal savages for no reason and there have been 10,000 terrorist attacks by Islamists since 9/11. But you're slightly inconveninced by Sunday trading regulations.

This argument is pathetic and clueless even by your standards. You are one unbelievably shallow, vacuous little tool.

SO there's the prayer, then hanging some gays, then the barbecue right?

AnonTroll>>

Where is YOUR list of Christian Terror Attacks?

The issue here is teh underpinnings of that decision-,aking. If you are allowed to say 'god told me to', then they can, too. If we are making stuff up to justify actions, their crazy is just as valid as your crazy.

Don't give me "but we are all peace-loving and they aren't..." Crusades, anyone? Inquisition? Burning 'witches'? Do I really need to string together all the stupid shit done in the name of your brand of 'magic-guy-in-the-sky-told-me-to'?

Every religion has the same essential fallacy - the idea that some magic force is guarding the light at the end of the tunnel. Believe it if you want, but that belief comes with consequences.

If you really, really think that is a reasonable way to live life, you can't get all pissy just because other crazy people do the same thing and reach a different conclusion.

"Don't give me "but we are all peace-loving and they aren't..." Crusades, anyone? Inquisition? Burning 'witches'? Do I really need to string together all the stupid shit done in the name of your brand of 'magic-guy-in-the-sky-told-me-to'?"

Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 12:57 PM

You had to go back over Five HUNDRED Years, while I only had to go back Two MONTHS.

Again, where is YOUR list of Christian Terror Attacks?

Anon go change your underroos and have mommy put something on that diaper rash.

Hey what ever became of the separation of church and state that the leftists ACLU and PEOPLE FOR THE AMERICAN WAY as well as the SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER is always aruging about?

Agreed. The conservative clowns don't ever seem to get that if they stopped pretending that magin was real, we could really get behind eradicating their crazy-ass nonsense. But as long as our crazies won't abjure the fallacy of 'there really is magic', we can't ever kill the root of the problem.

Just one more thing conservatives have done to f__k up America.

Thanks, guys.

Refuter -

Can you read?

I was discussing the DECISION-MAKING PROCESS.

You believe a magic guy in the sky tells you things, so do they.

If you get to say it, they get to say it. Either there is a talking snake in a tree, or there isn't. Either a magic sky-man told christians to burn witches and kill doctors, or it didn't. But if you want to go with 'yes, it was magic-sky-man', then they also get to make stupid-ass decisions and say the same thing.

See how you need to stop pretending that religion is anything but the opiate of the masses and get with the secular world where we can actually fix problems?

RE: Posted by: Anonymous at September 15, 2009 12:57 PM

You poor, misguided jacka## - I almost feel sorry for you, except for the fact that your blindness is due to your own dishonesty.

You have been asked repeatedly to come up with equivalent examples from Christianity to support your standard leftist "Moral Equivalency" argument.....and you can't do it. The clostest thing you can come up with is several hundred years old:

The Crusades - A series of wars fought against and in response to Muslim military and religious aggression, theft and conquest.

The Spanish Inquisition - After 800 years of Muslim rule, no wonder Spanish flavored "Christianity" sometimes morphed into the brutality of the Inquisition and Spanish colonialism.

"Witch Burning" - Belief in witches was actually a holdover from the pre-Christian pagan days. BTW, the Muslims still believe in them, and still burn them.

You Letterman-Loving Lobotomized Lying Loopy Loony Lemming-Like LowLife Leftist Losers want it both ways.....last week you were out here trolling up a storm about how, 'you Right Wingers aren't REAL Christians'....now this week we're back to the 'Christians are Eeeeevil' nonsense.

Next thing you know, you'll claim Hitler was a Catholic....

AnonLib: It's much more reasoned to believe in "Global warming" with the belief that Gaii will punish us if we do not recycle our newpapers, and turn off the lightbulbs for an hour.

Posted by: AnonLib at September 15, 2009 1:20 PM

My argument speaks to the absurd Moral equivalence you leftists always apply to the world. In your twisted, deranged mind, Christians are as bad as muslims because you've been inconvenienced by Christianity at times, while Muslims commit mass murder all over the globe.

So, One last time dipshit:

Here is a detailed list of Islamic Terror attacks from the past two months:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

Where is YOUR list of Christian Terror Attacks?

IF YOU BUY THE WRONG LIGHT BULBS MOTHER EARTH WILL MELT THE ICE CAPS AND WE WILL ALL BE FLOODED. REPENT SINNERS, CONFESS YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL SINS AND REPENT BY BUYING CARBON CREDITS.

You believe a magic guy in the sky tells you things, so do they.
Posted by: AnonLib at September 15, 2009 1:20 PM

lolz, do they even teach philosophy/religion anymore in public schools? what these tards don't know would fill 10 libraries.

"See how you need to stop pretending that religion is anything but the opiate of the masses"
Posted by: AnonLib at September 15, 2009 1:20 PM

You should change your nick to AnonMarxist, since that quote came straight from Karl Marx.

Actress SJERON McCLENDON belives this GAIA poppycock becuase she is a ding-bat

More and more fail - if you want an instance of current christian terrorism, the doc Tiller was killed by a christian who thought he was doing god's work. Guess that one is cool, because he was thinking of the correcct magic guy in the sky when he did it, huh?

We are talking at cross purposes (deliberately, I'm sure, since you clearly DO believe in magic) but I still haven't seen anyone waking up to the simple FACT that if you think magic is real, and they think magic is real, YOUR BELIEFS HELP UPHOLD THEIRS.

If everyone in America couold stop pretending that magic is real, we could engage the islamic world on the basis of 'see, we grew up, now it is your turn'.

But until you shrug off your brand of crazy, it is damned hypocritical to pretend that they will give up theirs.

(Oh, and no shit it is a Marx quote. Did anyone here NOT know that?)

RE: Posted by: AnonLib at September 15, 2009 2:18 PM

AnonyLiberal tosses out the standard, "But until you shrug off your brand of crazy, it is damned hypocritical to pretend that they will give up theirs'

So, we're back to the same old, "It's all the fault of America / Christianity / Conservative Talk Radio/ Hannity / Beck" argument your side is famous for.

Oh, and as far as your, 'see, we grew up, now it is your turn' argument, we tried it with the Liberals several times......hasn't worked very well.

Grow up and get a clue.

Tiller wasn't murdered. He was aborted in the 231st trimester.

Where is your LIST of Christian Terror Attacks?

Neither of you were able to discuss intelligently the dichotomy between their decision-making process and yours... why is that? I did NOT use "So, we're back to the same old, "It's all the fault of America / Christianity / Conservative Talk Radio/ Hannity / Beck" argument your side is famous for." I stated, very plainly, that YOU MAKE DECISIONS THE SAME WAY. And you do. If you need to have magic on your team, they get it as well. That is about as simple a 5thought as I can muster ... if you need it dumbed down still further, you are outta luck.

Are you really, truly unaware that it is exactly the same?

If someone who was worshiping Odin, or Ba'al, or whatever was killing you in the name of their god, you would decry it immediately. And you certianly do with muslims... but then you DO THE EXACT SAME THING. "God told me to do it" is the preface to so many atrocoties throughout human history... do you really, truly not see how it is exactly the same no matter the brand?

Until you are capable of putting that together in your mind, there is really no point in pretending that you can hold up your end of an actual discussion.

The good news? You are a dying breed. Your kids will be secular humanists like all the rest of us.

Tee hee.

Still no list of Christian Terror Attacks from the foaming Troll. I knew it's baseless lies couldn't be defended.

OK! the argument is over. The educated Liberal that starts a sentence with "And", and misspells 'atrocities' has certainly finished the debate with his well reasoned logic. Thanks Anonymous, your true genius is a guiding light to us all.

The 'and' is what us educated types call a rhetorical device. and a typo is a typo, ass...

Does this mean you have all surrendered? None of you can tell me why it is that you think your brand of magic is special?

(And seriously, I know you fuckers are dumb in general, but Refuter, you win... you want a list?
here's one.

or here

there's another here...

Google has 1,540,000 more entries... go sit in the corner with the dunce hat on while I try to find soemone who can explain the whole 'our magic is better than their magic' thing...)

LMAO

You crazed moonbat. Your first link LITERALLY has no content on the page, your second link is titled "8 Atrocities Committed in the Name of Religion", with #1 being The Islamic Jihad, and your third link is mostly history from hundreds of years ago (The same Crusades and Spanish Inquisition nonsense refuted elsewhere), as well as Nazi atrocities committed by the National SOCIALISTS who were led by the Pagan, Adolph Hitler. YOU HAVE FAILED.

Refuter, don't be so rough to anony, he DID cite Google as a source. LMAO on that. I guess anony doesn't have a personal belief system at all, must be disheartening to Comrade 0.

Discussing things with Anonymous is a complete waste of time. Nobody who talks about people beleieving in a "magic guy in the sky" has any interest in debate. They just want to sling mud and try to push buttons. Have horrible things been donme in the name of religion? Yes. Horrible things have also been down in the name of communism and other political systems. Some Atheists seem so so naive. They think if we just get rid of that religion stuff love will steer the stars and peace will guide the planet. That worked out real well in Stalinist Russia, didn't it?

I am a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. That is what transforms my life, If psychotherapy or meditation transforms your life-fine. I'd rather concentrate on what brings us together as people than what separates us. However, after being told on various religion boards that I should be put in a concentration camp because I am a Christian or that I should be run over but the Atheist didn't want to go to jail, I'm rather jaundiced about talking about religion with people who go on and on about my infantile and backward view of a "magic" being in the sky. Aside from the fact that I don't believe He's magic nor that He's in the sky.

An let me add that I have known a number of fine Atheists who were willing to find areas of commonality of interests with me. My sister is one. Those that come from the Hitchens, Dawkins school of Atheism-"You religious people are all a bunch of moronic, violent cretins and we are so much better than you" aren't among them.

Condescension is the opiate of the Marxists.

At least we have progressives 'honest' enough to admit that their agenda consists of killing off God so they can achieve real progress. Of course, no progress was made in 1900 years until true "progress" was nearly realized under Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao... . Yeah! Gotta take God out of the picture so we can get some more of that good, enlightened progress.

2000 years of Christianity. No progress.
233 years since America's Creed. No progress.
We ignorant conservatives really should try to wrap our weak minds around this seductive thing called leftist intelligence.

Oh, if we could only teach cows to fly over the Mall on 9/25. It would be a most appropriate gesture.

Well I'm not saying I agree to this Muslim prayer time, but remember our government let them into our country and granted them citizenship. Hopefully they consider themselves Americans and would do anything for our country. Let us not be quick to judge. Remember Christians "He who is among you without sin, let him cast the first stone." I don't think that this should be a Muslim day of prayer, but a day of prayer with ALL religions.

"More and more fail - if you want an instance of current christian terrorism, the doc Tiller was killed by a christian who thought he was doing god's work."
We all as conservatives condemned the shooting and recognized the shooter as a crazed fanatic whose heart is far from God, a true Christian would not do something like that (The fact that he killed Tiller in church further shows that the shooter was a man with little if any respect for the sanctity of the church and the faith as a whole).
btw, just a few days ago, in Flint, MI, an anti- abortion protestor outside a high school was shot dead by a secularist simply because he (The secularist) was offended by the pro- lifer's sign. Where's your outrage over that? How's about the Denver church shooting less than two years ago, when a gay atheist killed four people at a church and missions center before being wounded by a security guard and killing himself? Liberals at places like DU were showing a lot more sympathy towards the killer than towards his victims.
btw, since you like dragging up histories of Christian violence from long ago, how's about we look at all the butchery and campaigns of genocide against Christians done over the last century alone in secular Communist nations? In the Soviet Union alone, over 10 million Christians were executed for refusing to convert to atheism, and that's not even counting all those who were merely imprisoned and tortured for the same reason and survived. Where's your outrage over that?
"The good news? You are a dying breed. Your kids will be secular humanists like all the rest of us."
No, they won't. News flash: We as Christians are the majority, albeit a silent majority, and we will raise our children to follow in the noble and true Christian faith. I myself am an aspiring pastor who hopes to work with youths, to provide them with the excellent moral and spiritual guidance that I myself received from youth group environments as a teenager, so they can be saved from falling into the clutches of the secular world and strive to live lives of meaning and impact for God and mankind, as I am trying to do now.
However, FenelonSpoke is right: While I have no probem debating with atheists who are polite and respectful about it, I refuse to waste my time debating with those as rude, disrespectful, closed- minded, and bigoted as you.

Quoted from and linked to at: TCOTS

obama is the anti christ whatever you people do dont take any chips we were founded off christianity and now its being taken out of are schools but obama is allowing these terrorists to prey at capitol hill we know where his faith lies with the muslims im not about to just stand around and not say anything what obama is doing is critisizing he says we are no longer a christian nation but he is the first to participate in a muslim tradition and a day of prayer he is going to make change alright and one of the things on his list is to destroy are country its time to stand as a christian nation and build gods army and rise above this for we have nothing to fear if we are believers in jesus christ for when we die we will not parish but have everlasting life with jesus christ jesus loves his people and obama too and even though i dont agree with obama i still love him and prey for him in hopes that he gets saved and repent for his sins every man should get the opportunity to get saved!

islam--the religion of peace will kill you if you leave the religion of peace

-Prophet Mohammed married Aisha when she was only 6 years old and he was 57 Years old--go figure

-Prophet Mohammed sent out his goons to kill the women that critique him. His followers tore her from limb to limb while she was breast-feeding her baby. the came to mohammed and shouted allah akbar
Mohammed upon hearing the news said: no two goats will lock horns over her. This is the man muslims hold to their highest moral standard

also, I forgot, mohammed slept with is adapted son's wife (INCEST)

please just open the koran and see if one word I say is a lie. All you have to do is open the Koran or go to these sites:

www.theThirdJihad.com **************
www.FaithFreedom.org
www.TheReligionOfPeace.com

The West will never understand Islam, because muslims themselves dont understand their religion how will the west. Look into the writing and videos and thier Imam's look of total lack of knowledge.

So the 'freedom of religion' that is part of the reason America exists so successfully is just a myth? Some of you posters sound like the 'Christian' - I use the term loosely - version of the Taliban. Muslims living in America - many of them Americans - want to hold a prayer event. Isn't that what our freedoms are all about? Are you so insecure in your beliefs that a prayer event by people of another religion shouldn't happen because it will threaten your beliefs? Did you read some of those signs in Washington at that rally the other weekend? I understand many of those people were very proud to be 'Christian'. And they were allowed to carry those signs and scream and shout insults and spout nonsense if they wanted to. That's freedom. So, if Jews or Buddhists or Catholics (in southern Baptist country I frequently hear that Catholics aren't 'Christians), or Mormons or Hindus want to hold a prayer event in America you'll find lots of terrible things to say about them and denigrate their beliefs? Some of you sound positively medieval.

he didnt even reconize national praise day whose paying for there dinner us or obama what about all of our people who are poor and homeless whats he doing for them he dont do anything for the christians

i just wont to know who is paying for this obama or the america like we pay for everthing else this country never did hear muslim untill obama i thank he needs to pay for this dinner out of his own pocket only thing he can do for christians is to lie and say abortion aint in the health bill i say he lies all tHE time O-ONE B-BIG A-AWFUL M-MISTAKE A-AMERICA

Religious freedom IS for all but I think what most of us Christians find fault with is the fact that Muslims are allowed to gather on federal property for their day of "prayer" while Christians are not allowed to gather within a country mile of federal property to pray. When we do, the seculars start screaming, "Separation of church and state! Separation of church and state!"

I say if someone wants to believe in the god of popcorn & peanuts, it is his/her right. No matter how much I may disagree with what another believes, ranting and raving changes nothing. We Christians should pray for those whose beliefs we do not hold. We should even pray for anonymous, for he is a sad, bitter, misguided person. Just to set the record straight, anonymous, Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God. If you ever accept the God whom Christians worship, you'll instantaneously understand the difference. I pray, for your sake, that you do....