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"No one is so poor that they can't pick up the trash in their own yard."

Love it!

It's more than that. Think about it... one of the reasons our even was so clean was that we didn't mess it up in the first place. Conservatives at the tea parties weren't throwing huge piles of litter on the ground that had to be picked up.

I've attended two local tea parties (both with thousands of attendees), and after both there was barely any litter. This is compared to the two Iraq War protests I attended (as a counter-protester, moonbats)... both made our main local park look like a garbage dump.

are you sure thats not Detroit?

And you know what, Evil Otto? I'm thinking there is a distinct possibility the places were CLEANER after the tea parties than they were before, because when conservatives see a problem, their first response is to try to correct it themselves if they can, not wait for government appointed workers to fix it.

are you sure thats not Detroit?

I'm sure. In Detroit, the garbage would be on fire.

Hippies leave a pile of dirt after them.

In other news:

Bears defecate in the woods.

Water is wet.

Pope is Catholic.

Islam breeds terrorism.

ALSO It's the left that screams about pollution and everything else yet this is the way THEY leave the grounds. MORE leftist Hypocrisy - do what I say, NOT what I do.

1 picture = 1000 words

Nothing else to be said - the rest is obvious.

the leftist meme is: not enough trash cans, ergo i had to just drop it in the streets, they call this "logic".

Like our resident lefty trolls, the Axelprop (or is it Agitrod?) thinks the Tea Parties "aren't mainstream:"

Axelrod: Protests may not mean much (Hat tip: American Thinker.) Says the Minister of Truth:

Sunday conservative protests in Washington are not indicative of the country's mood... Conservatives have the right to protest... [but] they don't represent a mainstream view.

Maybe it's all for the best. "He who takes his enemy lightly will fall," said Sun Tzu. Actually, though, I'm sure the Politburo is right now trying to think up what to do about that pesky 2nd Amendment, which is what makes the Tea Parties more than just a bunch of "manufactured protests," even in Marxist eyes.

which side is supposed to be green?

The Tea Parties aren't mainstream radical left. They actually think they are mainstream. Facts have NEVER bothered the left.

WE SURROUND YOU

Another Racist...

Its no suprise the Obamatrons left Washington looking like a trash dump after the installation of their King - most inner city neighborhoods look like that ALL the time.

Its also no suprise the Tea Partiers left the city relatively clean - they are civilized human beings, not a bunch of uncivilized proto humans like most of Obamas supporters.

I can confirm this. I was at a Santa Fe tea party on Saturday. When I walked past the rally point two hours after the event, the place was cleaner than when we arrived.

Where are Goatse, Meh, Fez, pansy90210 and anonypussy now?

Throwing a Jackburger wrapper outside the window of their '78 Gremlin as they cruise down the interstate to the local ACORN office?

It's okay. They all bought carbon offsets for their litter.

I spoke to my brother last night. He lives in Annandale, VA and he said there was a huge gathering in D.C. that actually made the front page of the Washington Post.

On another note,that goes along with these photos: a moonbatty co-worker claims to be a "treehugger." Type of vehicle she drives--a gas guzzling Ford Excursion. 'nuff said

it's so clean because no one was there....

anon, deny, deny, deny. You know the truth.

anon. Was Sophia Elena's time lapse "photo shopped" as you deniers love to say. Who are the real flat-earthers?

I dont think Obama is really President, I think the whole thing has been faked by President John McCain to deflect attention from his failed Stimulus bill and attempt to nationalize healthcare. The whole thing is Orwellian, I tell you!!! I heard that Sarah Palin cooked the whole thing up to discredit Democrats. McCain wears some kind of high-tech suit that makes him look like Obama. Barrack Obama is being held prisoner at Gitmo and forced to make videos between water boardings.

"it's so clean because no one was there...."

If by "no one" you mean "no liberals", I think you're right.

Liberals are used to having Mommy and Daddy around to clean up their messes, so it doesn't occur to them to clean up after themselves.

Conservatives = Responsibility

Liberals = Irresposibility

You can argue words but not pictures like that.

Look at how many jobs were created by the inauguration. We have to look at the whole picture and not be so norrow minded.

I think leaving all that trash after the coronation I mean inauguration was a reflection of the union worker mindset. "I don't want to pick up that trash because that's not my job and if everyone picks up trash that means I'm putting somebody out of work."

The Tea Parties aren't mainstream radical left. They actually think they are mainstream. Facts have NEVER bothered the left.

WE SURROUND YOU

hey lefty! want to see what AMERICANS think of that compared to communist/fascists like you?

" Those poor bastards. They've got us surrounded. Now we can fire in any direction. They won't get away this time! " .. Chesty Puller USMC

"We're surrounded. That simplifies the problem." Chesty Puller USMC

"They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an
enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can't get away from us now!"

When the Marines were cut off behind enemy lines and the Army had written
the 1st Marine Division off as being lost because they were surrounded by 22
enemy divisions. The Marines made it out inflicting the highest casualty
ratio on an enemy in history and destroying 7 entire enemy divisions in the
process. An enemy division is 16500+ men while a Marine division is 12500 men.

ya want to know something Socialist/communist/idiot?

there is one thing you dont get...

that was a fight of 363,000 against 12,500 men

the communists lost...

"Don't forget that you're First Marines! Not all the Communists in hell can overrun you!"
- Chesty Puller motivating his men at Chosin Reservoir

want to know something else?

"We're not retreating, Hell! We're just attacking in a different direction!"
GEN. OLIVER SMITH, USMC

"This is essentially a people's contest... whose leading object is to elevate the condition of men - to lift artificial weights from all shoulders - to clear the paths of laudable pursuit for all - to afford all, an unfettered start and a fair chance, in the race of life."
- Abraham Lincoln
Message to congress, July 4, 1861

"Patriotism is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime.
- Adlai Stevenson

"True patriotism hates injustice in its own land more than anywhere else."
- Clarence Darrow

"In war, as in life, it is often necessary, when some cherished scheme has failed, to take up the best alternative open, and if so, it is folly not to work for it with all your might."
- Sir Winston Churchill

"If we do not make common cause to save the good old ship of the Union on this voyage, nobody will have a chance to pilot her on another voyage."
- Abraham Lincoln
-Address, Cleveland, Ohio February 15, 1861

"What then is the American, this new man?...He is an American, who, leaving behind him all his ancient prejudices and manners, receives new ones from the new mode of life he has embraced, the new government he obeys, and the new rank he holds. He becomes an American by being received in the broad lap of our great Alma Mater. Here individuals of all nations are melted into a new race of men, whose labors and posterity will one day cause great changes in the world."
- Michel Guillaume Jean de Crevecoeur from Letters from an American Farmer

"A thoughtful mind, when it sees a Nation's flag, sees not the flag only, but the Nation itself; and whatever may be its symbols, its insignia, he reads chiefly in the flag the Government, the principles, the truths, the history which belongs to the Nation which belongs to the Nation that sets it forth."
- Henry Ward Beecher from The American Flag

"Yesterday, the greatest question was decided which ever was debated in America; and a greater perhaps never was, nor will be, decided among men. A resolution was passed without one dissenting colony, that those United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States."
- John Adams Letter to Mrs. Adams, July 3, 1776

"In the beginning, all the world was America."
- John Locke, 17th Century

First: Correct. It was SOLELY conservatives at the 9/12 march. Guess what that means? Not a majority.

Second: I guarantee that you can NOT find 5 or more pictures of attendees who were not white, middle-aged (or children in attendance with middle-aged adults) partisans. Notice any clichéd signs or chants regarding the past 8 years? Nope. Clichéd signs and chants regarding the past 8 months? Check. Also, again, not a majority.

Third: AT MOST there were 200,000 people, over the course of a few hours, on 9/12. In contrast, 2 MILLION were in attendance for the inauguration, over the course of a morning/afternoon. That's a crowd at least TEN TIMES the size of FreedomWorks' organized march. Gee, I wonder why there was so much less of a noticeable impact on 9/12...

But don't let me stop your self-delusions of how "responsible" you believe you are and how not human you believe inauguration attendees were, or your fevered attempts to claim this radical fringe group as part of the GOP or true conservatism. No doubt you're pleasantly surprised this march received so much coverage from the MSM you despise so much... but you should REALLY be questioning why. No, it wasn't because the marchers couldn't be ignored or because the debate was swayed in their favor; it's because they serve as perfect counter-poster children to Obama and Democrats. Enjoy the spotlight! It really worked well for Wilson; I'm sure it'll benefit you all equally.

LOL.

Yesterday some lefty troll was saying that 200,000 was a ludicrous estimate, but now it's "at most".

Get your talking points straight Liberal morons.

Please keep your head in the sand. That way, it's easier for your Obamessiah to rape you.

Enjoy the spotlight! It really worked well for Wilson;

A million plus in donations... yeah, it worked out pretty well, I'd say.

And Obamacrats are still pigs, regardless what the 9-12 numbers were.

I do have my "talking points" (I prefer to call facts facts...but maybe you're not dealing in them?) straight, while it seems all you have are lies and ad hominem. I can't say I'm surprised. Let me refresh you on reality: At most, there were 200,000 attendees at the 9/12 march. I've never claimed otherwise, but bravo on your "lefty troll" red herring. And I've certainly never LIED about there being 10 TIMES more people there than there actually were like, say, Kibbe did in the 1.5-2 million estimate he gave (as repeated thoughtlessly and ad nauseam by vacuous partisan blogs like this, Gateway Pundit's, or Malkin's), or as you all choose to believe. Again, I don't doubt you're pleasantly surprised this march received so much coverage from the MSM you despise so much, and I hate to rain on your parade, but you should REALLY be questioning why. No, it wasn't because the marchers couldn't be ignored or because the debate was swayed in their favor; it's because they serve as perfect counter-poster children to Obama and Democrats. Enjoy the spotlight! It really worked well for Wilson; I'm sure it'll benefit you all equally.

Also, I'm still waiting for someone to find 5 or more pictures of attendees who were not white, middle-aged (or children in attendance with middle-aged adults) partisans, or signs regarding the past 8 years rather than the past 8 months. What a surprise that there are no takers for the challenge.

Keep your logical fallacies. That way you'll maintin your bliss through ignorance.

Have you ever seen CENTRAL PARK on the day after the enviromentalists wackos have gotten together for their dumb earthday celebrations? THEY LEAVE THE PARK A MESS

"A million plus in donations... yeah, it worked out pretty well, I'd say." - VtheK

Yes, Miller DID raise a million plus in donations quicker than Wilson did, didn't he (of course, this is according to Wilson's own office, whereas Miller's figures are reported independently)?

Other fun facts: Wilson raised a little over $1 million total last election, mostly due to funding from the GOP and PACs. Miller raised about half that, Mostly due to funding from individuals donating and his own self-financing. The election results: 46% - Miller, 54% - Wilson. I'd bet that in 2012, Miller will not only be increasing his individual donations, he'll be backed by the funding of the DNC as well. Look out, Wilson...

Or rather, 2010.

Also, I'm still waiting for someone to find 5 or more pictures of attendees who were not white, middle-aged (or children in attendance with middle-aged adults) partisans, or signs regarding the past 8 years rather than the past 8 months. What a surprise that there are no takers for the challenge.

Sounds to me as though this follows the same thought process of Sotomayor... "Only a wise [insert minority here]..."

So only minorities can be right, just, intelligent, knowledgeable, informed, rational, and patriotic?

Unless we have the minority support, it's wrong?

You.are.incredible.

Go back to your hole.

The spitting hatred for Joe Wilson just demonstrates that Democrats are a cult and they can't stand anyone criticizing Dear Reader.

But if they want to throw away money in a solid Republican district out of spite, instead of distributing it to purple-district Democrats who are vulnerable, that's cool. I don't think they'll get rid of the insolent Joe Wilson, but I am willing to trade one seat for the five or ten they will lose because of their spite.

Stupid liberal litterbugs leaving a mess and to think some of them are tree hugging eco-freaks

"or signs regarding the past 8 years rather than the past 8 months. What a surprise that there are no takers for the challenge". Uh, Tim, go read the NYT, Bush is NOT in office, 0 is. More debt, faster than in the history of the world, in 8 months.
Kudos to everyone who attended this and the other tea parties. You managed to drive 0 out of "his" house, all the way to Minnesota, where he was surrounded by a crowd of tongue-bathers. He couldn't stay in town, even though he wasn't aware of anything going on in D.C. that day. And it seems distateful to see the President acting like a campaigner, 9 months after his coronation.
As for Wilson, does it matter who raises money the fastest? For you, I'm sure it does. It's a long way to 2010, it's a marathon, not a sprint. Wonder if any of the money came from Soros? You're outraged because Wilson told the truth about O? Even though, even the State Run Media are slowly acknowledging that Wilson was right, 0 was lying about illegals, as HR 3200 stands now.

More Hateriot Garbage !!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42406957@N04/3912840601/

Dont pass up the somments section

Eco-Freaks hate the environment. It's only a tool to use to destroy business and peoples lives. Eco-Freaks are as phony as a plastic dog turd. That explains why they are liberals and filthy hippies too. They will lecture you about daring to hike a mountain trail, but then come and shit where you live and walk away without a thought. Washington may never recover from having so many "real" people in town at the same time.

"Sounds to me as though this follows the same thought process of Sotomayor... 'Only a wise [insert minority here]...'" - AmericanToTheCore

"Sounds like..."? First of all, you're reading. You're not hearing anything I'm typing.

Secondly, your post is one giant logical fallacy. Look up 'appeal to ridicule.' I never even hinted that "only minorities can be right, just, intelligent, knowledgeable, informed, rational, and patriotic" (not that I consider these white, middle-aged 9/12 marchers to be informed or rational, judging by their childishly hyperbolic signs and empty-headed "Beck" chants).

What I DID state was that, if your march is composed solely of conservative, middle-aged, white people and their children, then it in NO WAY respresents a 'majority' of any kind in this country. At best it's a sampling of a specific ideology that doesn't even include a majority of GOP voters, who largely happen to be neocons (that's how conservatives are left with the choice of war-hero McCain for president). It also shows the severe bias of the group when none of them mentions the spending of the past 8 years, while only focusing on the past 8 months. That is what is known as a partisan hypocrite, and that describes every marcher there on 9/12.

They're not marching against government spending. They're marching against a different political party doing the spending. Invading Iraq for $3 trillion, millions of dead, and increased terrorist recruiting? Totally cool with 9/12 marchers. Reforming health insurance and providing an affordable coverage option for $1 trillion? It's clearly the destruction of 'American' values by 'socialists.'

you.are.desperate.

Go back to your delusion.

"The spitting hatred for Joe Wilson just demonstrates that Democrats are a cult and they can't stand anyone criticizing Dear Reader." - VtheK

The only person who was "spitting hatred" was Wilson. And who cares if he's criticizing Obama? More meaningful people than Joe Wilson do it every day. It's a thing called respect and decorum. It's one thing to grumble dissent; it's another to break protocol and throw an innapropriate, look-at-me hissy in Congress (maybe he was channeling Cheney?) during the middle of a joint session by the President. But Democrats are just a "cult" because they don't condone the actions of a man-child rebuked by many in his own party? Please.

"But if they want to throw away money in a solid Republican district out of spite..."

Not so "solid" when an independently funded former Marine with half the funds of his incumbant GOP-backed opponent gets 46% of the vote. We'll see how he does the next time around with comparable funding.

"...instead of distributing it to purple-district Democrats who are vulnerable, that's cool."

I'm pretty sure they can spare a hundred thousand or so. Both partys are fairly strategic with their millions. The purple district democrats also likely already had the backing of the party. In 2008, Miller did not.

middle-aged, white people and their children

Looking at the demographics, that would, by definition, be a majority.

Tim, aside from the above quote (which jumped out), the rest of your drivel was just baseless rhetoric that proves you CHOOSE not to listen.

Also, somewhat of a sidenote... having the nerve to make a comment like "First of all, you're reading. You're not hearing anything I'm typing" shows, pretty quickly, that you have no relevant arguments. You instead chose to tear into that first (for some odd reason) even though the intent of the language was not lost. On that front, you get an D.

I think you really need to admit yourself before you lose all your marbles. You're about a hop skip and jump away from being legally braindead.

"Uh, Tim, go read the NYT, Bush is NOT in office, 0 is. More debt, faster than in the history of the world, in 8 months." - UpNorth

Prior to Obama's election, Bush racked up "more debt, faster than in the history of the world" in 8 years. But that's all conveniently forgotten, isn't it? Again, they're not marching against government spending. They're marching against a different political party doing the spending.

"As for Wilson, does it matter who raises money the fastest?"

Nah. Just an observation. KtheV made a good point, and I wanted to make sure it was clarified.

"You're outraged because Wilson told the truth about O? Even though, even the State Run Media are slowly acknowledging that Wilson was right, 0 was lying about illegals, as HR 3200 stands now."

Try again. It's a thing called respect and decorum. Not only that, he threw his little hissy because he couldnt handle the truth that illegals AREN'T covered in HR 3200. No objective media source with credibility has acknowledged that Wilson was right. Quite the contrary. Regardless, why are you so interested in the media's take? Let's look at facts:

HR 3200, Page 143, Line 3, Section 246 - "No Federal Payment for Undocumented Aliens. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

I'm sure of course you'd counter with the report from the CRS that states "H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitizens participating in the Exchange—whether the noncitizens are legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently."

I would remind you that nothing today currently stops illegal noncitizens from buying health insurance. And why stop them? Let them give their money to private insurers if they wish.

You might also counter that HR 3200 doesn't legislatively specify a verification procedure to ensure that illegal noncitizens don't receive federal aid. This wholly ignores that the responsibility of making sure insurance providers are held accountable in accordance with Federal health insurance requirements for verifying citizenship/resident status lies with the Health Choices Commissioner, as specified by HR 3200 section 142. Just as there is no legislative language regarding verification of immigration status, so too is there no language regarding eligibility issues of citizens for federal aid. But, surprise!, GOP Congressmen don't have a problem with the Health Choices Commissioner verifying eligibility for citizens. Only when it comes to those scaaaaaary illegals (whom Obama secretly wants to insure so as to destroy the U.S. from within, natch) do they gin up the fear. And you buy it.

"Looking at the demographics, that would, by definition, be a majority." - AmericanToTheCore

That's nice to see you can cherry-pick and edit. It's just too bad you can't argue on the merits of facts. Let me review them for you.

I first correctly pointed out that a group solely comprised of conservatives at the 9/12 march does not represent a majority of Americans. Continuing under that established fact, I then whittled this down by pointing out that those in attendance were very nearly all middle-aged whites and their children (no one yet has been able to provide 5 or more pictures showing non-white 9/12 marchers). That makes the group of marchers on 9/12 even more of a non-majority representation of this country than if they had just been conservatives. And, since I know who I'm dealing with, I reiterated my correct assertion by stating in a later post (the one you only partially quoted me on, disingenuously so) that "if your march is composed solely of conservative, middle-aged, white people and their children, then it in NO WAY represents a 'majority' of any kind in this country."

So, while you were looking at demographics, maybe you should have been paying more attention to what you had read/were responding to. You just embarrassed yourself because of your error.

"Tim, aside from the above quote (which jumped out)..."

Yes, no doubt your misrepresentation of my statement did "jump out" at you.

"the rest of your drivel was just baseless rhetoric that proves you CHOOSE not to listen."

Really? I guarantee you can't show through evidence that anything I've written is "baseless rhetoric." And, again, I'm reading. There's nothing for me to "listen" to.

"having the nerve to make a comment like "First of all, you're reading. You're not hearing anything I'm typing" shows, pretty quickly, that you have no relevant arguments."

Not really. It just shows my recognition of your poor word choice. When I write something here, it is incorrect for you to assert that it "sounds" like anything...unless you read aloud to yourself, I guess.

"You instead chose to tear into that first (for some odd reason)..."

Chronological order isn't an "odd" reason. I just address your points in the order you make them. Sorry that irks you (for some odd reason).

"even though the intent of the language was not lost."

So, because I'm able to understand what you intended to (but didn't) say, despite your poor word choice, that means there was nothing incorrect about your statement? I guess that's just the attitude of AmericanToTheCore: "eh, it's good enough."

"On that front, you get an D."

Gee, thanks, prof.

"I think you really need to admit yourself before you lose all your marbles. You're about a hop skip and jump away from being legally braindead."

Aaaaand I see you've fallen back on your crutch of logical fallacies. Nice ad hominem attack. A+

(no one yet has been able to provide 5 or more pictures showing non-white 9/12 marchers)

Of course it's not a majority without minorities... /sarc

The request you made really has no relevance in the point you're trying to make. In case you didn't realize...

My request has no relevance to further bolstering the already self-evident fact that the 9/12 march consisted solely of conservatives, nearly all of whom were middle-aged whites and their children, and that therefore they don't represent a majority of this country?

Logic begs to differ. In case you didn't realize...

Were you looking to actual refute any of my facts, or is your cherry-picking attempt to argue piecemeal what I've proposed in entirety really your best? I'd still love for you to show through evidence that anything I've written is "baseless rhetoric", as you falsely charged.

Bush Booed During 2005 State of the Union

Where we had one, ONE, ONEEEEEEEEE person involved in an outburst, here we have nearly the entire democrat caucus collectively booing the President. I'm sure you understand civility, decorum and respect. Not only that, their outrage was generic with no understood point of grievance, whereas Wilson's outburst had good intentions, focus, and a goal... which, mind you, was later reviewed and proven to be correct. Score one for Republicans.

CRS Says ChappaquiddiCare Will Cover Illegals

Being a Constitutional scholar, Obama should know this...

"Judge Napolitano said they will be covered. According to the Constitution, you can not offer entitlements to a group of people, and exclude others. Even if they were not covered (explicitly written in the bill or not), the courts would overturn it to include them on a constitutional basis.

If they pass a bill that ONLY covers all U.S. citizens, the courts will rule that they must also cover illegal aliens."

More Conservatives Than Liberals In All 50 States

... and, based on your notion that all conservatives are white, which you also state were the only people at that rally... case and point, majority.

Bush Deficit vs. Obama Deficit

Note, I'm not point the finger at Obama directly because the democrat CONgress (starting in 2007) is where the real mess began.

Obama National Debt (different from deficit)

CBO said it would be $10T, Obama and company argued that it would only see $7T... later reported they were wrong... $9T to be exact. That means they were off by a magnitude of 28.5%. Must be that Al "GoreBULL" Warming math.

National Debt Road Trip - I know pictures and flashy colors are more appeasing to the typical twister

Visual representation of failed democrat policies. Now, I'm not justifying Bush's drunken-sailor spending. He f***ed up on many levels. We all knew he was pushing us towards the edge... but Obama's policies are tossing anchors off the cliff, dragging us down at an insane speed. Obama is now, essentially, asking us to jump. Well I, for one, will not stand readily by while we plunge OFF the cliff at the whims of Dear Leader under the guise of "let me spend your money on things that yield no return, yeah, that'll fix the problem."

The Total Cost of Global War On Terror Since 9/11

Go to page 5 (as numbered by the pdf) and add up the figures. They add up to a little MORE than the Porkulus Spendfest... lest we forget, we funded WARSSSSSS. Neither of these projects yielded anything except that the war helps realize, you know, freedom for a group of people in the world. Funny how liberals argue on behalf of freedom but seek to stifle it from ever existing/continuing. Impressive.

Medical Tort Reform Could Save Billions

But they don't want to take on trial lawyers, yet they'll overhaul the system that 85% like, because the 1% (rounded up estimate if anything) crowd is their friend. The logic, or lack thereof, is astounding.

I knew it! I was watching these videos and looking at some of the pictures and I just had this gnawing feeling. "Not enough brown people," I thought to myself. Sure, the occasional black guy was shown holding some silly sign. But overall, we really dropped he ball on that one. Next time, let's try to get some more brown people in front of the cameras. Make sure you focus on blacks and don't be shy about asking some of them to get in a picture with you! Be sure you point out as many brown people as you can see in some of the zoomed out photos. Highlight them, even, but make sure you can still tell they're brown! If we're very careful about focusing on race, and are sure to post lots of pictures and videos with brown people, there's no way people will see us as racists and try to malign an entire movement by screaming, "RACISM!" No, we can avoid that entirely if we focus very carefully on the group's racial demographic. Let's make it happen.

Who said liberals were race obsessed jerks? Keep wringing those guilty hands of yours Tim.
Tim must be one of those more enlightened progressives -- he only crosses the road, or locks his car door when approached by a black man at night

cowlove,
Don't be upset; be proud of your fringe! You shouldn't have to pretend to be the majority you're not. It's OK to be exclusively made up of conservatives who are almost entirely white and middle-aged. Just as your parents went before you, so too shall these marchers follow. It's an American rite of passage for the aging and frightened, one you should be proud to be a part of. They don't call it an elephant graveyard for nothing...

"Keep wringing those guilty hands of yours Tim." - xantl

Would, were I. Guilty of...?

"Tim must be one of those more enlightened progressives -- he only crosses the road, or locks his car door when approached by a black man at night."

First, is this to suggest you do these things at any time around any black person? I certainly don't.
I'm one of those more enlightened progressives who crosses the road, or locks his car door, when approached by pro-lifers carrying photoshopped sandwich boards, or Jesus freaks distributing pamphlets through vocal threats of eternal damnation if I refuse to take one. Ethnicity and/or time of day regardless.

"Bush Booed During 2005 State of the Union"

You seem to think that having "one person involved in an outburst", compared to collective clapping, cheering, laughing, or boos/grumbling, is what makes this OK. In fact, it's what makes it an exception.
Presidents have for years been met with collective expressions of favor or disagreement. However, it is likely unprecedented that any Congressman has ever done what Wilson did. So much so that members of his own party rebuked his actions. They recognized the difference between boos/cheers and halting proceedings by pitching a personal fit while falsely accusing a president of lying. I wonder why you can't.

"Wilson's outburst had good intentions, focus, and a goal"

Wilson claimed his outburst wasn't premeditated. Yet you seem to believe otherwise in your statement here. You claim he had a focused intent to achieve a goal. I take it you believe propagating misinformation at the cost of civility and debate is a "good intentioned goal"?

"which, mind you, was later reviewed and proven to be correct. Score one for Republicans."

Incorrect. Wilson's claim that HR 3200 would cover illegal non-citizens is false.

HR 3200, Section 246 - "No Federal Payment for Undocumented Aliens. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

I'm sure of course you'd counter with the report from the CRS that states "H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on non-citizens participating in the Exchange—whether the non-citizens are legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently."

I would remind you that nothing today currently stops illegal non-citizens from buying health insurance. And why stop them? Let them give their money to private insurers if they wish.

You might also counter that HR 3200 doesn't legislatively specify a verification procedure to ensure that illegal non-citizens don't receive federal aid. This wholly ignores that the responsibility of making sure insurance providers are held accountable in accordance with Federal health insurance requirements for verifying citizenship/resident status lies with the Health Choices Commissioner, as specified by HR 3200 section 142. This would mean the Health Choices Commissioner would decide the best method of verification once legislation is in place. In addition, recent progress on HR 3200 in the Finance Committee has seen negotiations on possible legislative language describing verification means beyond the already stated responsibility of the Health Choices Commissioner.

"CRS Says ChappaquiddiCare Will Cover Illegals"

Actually, the CRS says no such thing, as I've explained above. Maybe you'd care to actually QUOTE the CRS where it explicitly states that "ChappaquiddiCare (how adorable!) will cover illegals"? I'd love to see it!

"According to the Constitution, you can not offer entitlements to a group of people, and exclude others. Even if they were not covered (explicitly written in the bill or not), the courts would overturn it to include them on a constitutional basis."

This is the most bizarre, false statement regarding the Constitution I have ever read. Government entitlements are not extended to illegal non-citizens, as the U.S. Constitution does not cover anyone anywhere, but only citizens/legal residents of the U.S. The only things illegal non-citizens are allowed under the law are basic civil rights and due process. Otherwise, the GOP wouldn't be ginning up fear in favor of including legislative language to establish specific means of citizenship verification; the point would be moot, as the courts (as you claim) would simply overrule a legislative means of verification to deny entitlements to illegal non-citizens as being unconstitutional. SAVE, for example, would have been ruled unconstitutional.

"More Conservatives Than Liberals In All 50 States"

Which ignores independents/third-party voters, neocons, moderate democrats, and non-voting adults. That's in addition to conservatives and liberals. Given all these factions, conservatives are not a majority of the nation simply because they may or may not outnumber liberals alone (not to mention your own source claims that conservatives only hold a plurality over liberals, which is not the same as a majority. Oops). But it's not your fault that you only see the country as either red or blue.

"and, based on your notion that all conservatives are white"

Ah, yes, more appeal to ridicule. I've never made such a claim, and it only reflects poorly on you when you make such false claims, as it makes it appear that you have poor reading comprehension skills.

"which you also state were the only people at that rally"

Yes, conservatives were the only attendees.

"Now, I'm not justifying Bush's drunken-sailor spending. He f***ed up on many levels. We all knew he was pushing us towards the edge... but Obama's policies are tossing anchors off the cliff, dragging us down at an insane speed."

That last sentence is the definition of justifying Bush, by comparing him to Obama. In short, "Bush f***ed and pushed us towards the edge", as noted by the CBO which projected on January 7th that the deficit UNDER BUSH would top $1.2 trillion. But that's OK, because look at Obama's $1.85!
None of this, of course, refutes my correct assertion that, prior to Obama's inauguration, "Bush racked up more debt faster in 8 years than in the history of the world." The same is true for his deficits.

"The Total Cost of Global War On Terror Since 9/11"

"the war helps realize, you know, freedom for a group of people in the world."

Opinion stated as fact. If true, why don't we just invade any foreign country we please and establish a form of government more to our liking?
Fact stated as fact: our unconstitutional invasion boosted terrorist recruitment and violence in the area, while displacing millions of Iraqis, many of whom choose not to return. It cost millions more people their lives, and the U.S. trillions of dollars, as well as our respect amongst long-time allies. All for another country's "freedom", which was never put forth as the impetus for our invasion in the first place. Remember, it was all about 9/11. Imminent threat. WMDs.

"Funny how liberals argue on behalf of freedom but seek to stifle it from ever existing/continuing. Impressive."

You do realize that the reason why we're in Iraq (again) is because a conservative president aided and funded Saddam, right? But, hey, freedom only exists when we meddle in foreign countries of opportunity, either by dropping bombs or selling them. Impressive.
An aside: you should really tell me the story of how the French fought the British for us in the Revolutionary War, and then set up our form of government, while building military forts and leaving behind their soldiers to monitor us indefinitely. I love that story, just as much as I'm sure the Iraqis do.
If this is how you attempt to justify the fact that these 9/12 marchers never made a peep regarding war spending, because they're really not against government spending at all, just against who's spending it now, I can only say 'thanks for helping me.'

"Medical Tort Reform Could Save Billions"

With fees, insurance, and payouts, malpractice suits total less than .5% of national health care spending. Meanwhile, overhead/paperwork alone costs 2.8%. Streamlining it would save not billions, but hundreds of billions of dollars.

"they'll overhaul the system that 85% like, because the 1% (rounded up estimate if anything) crowd is their friend. The logic, or lack thereof, is astounding."

Your lack of a citation for this wild claim is astounding. 85% in contrast to (not even) 1%? Sooo...the other 14% are what? Of no opinion? 85% of people like that $350 billion of national health care costs are solely the result of overhead/paperwork? 85% like that they can't move or quit a job for fear of losing insurance? 85% like that you can be denied or dropped from your insurance for unknown pre-existing conditions like acne or kidney stones? 85% like that you can lose insurance based on age or severity of ailment? 85% like that insurance companies hold near-monopolies in certain states?

too long; didn't read. We're not here to read your book asshole. Why not take your happy ass back to Dailykos where you can enjoy the smelling of your own flatulence all daylong drooltray.

I really hate to interrupt here, but I just wanted to inject a little humor into this thread.

It's OK to be exclusively made up of conservatives who are almost entirely white and middle-aged.

Phew, I'm relieved! For a second there I thought you were discounting all conservatives because you didn't see enough brown people in some pictures and videos. Now I can go back to not caring about racial issues, so I thank you kindly.

Continuing, I wanted to express my appreciation for your further analysis of this protest, and of conservatives as a whole. Here I was getting excited over seeing such a vast group of like-minded people airing their grievances and making their voices heard in our nation's captial. What would I do without your insight to remind me that we're really just the racist, lunatic fringe?

I can't imagine how difficult it must be to be a lefty these days. Here you have everything going for you (specifically, firm control of the Executive and Legislative branches) and you just can't get anything done! And then we have you, Tim, telling us we're just the fringe, not representative of the majority, as if we're supposed to care at all about your opinion of a group's racial make-up.

Sorry, no dice. Either we're the lunatic fringe or we're the obstructionist minority party, not both. Regardless, you're getting your collective asses kicked all over the place and it must be frustrating. Perhaps this is your personal form of venting?

But do continue, your sophistry and apologetics bring a smile to my face as I spin that scroll wheel.

You seem to think that having "one person involved in an outburst", compared to collective clapping, cheering, laughing, or boos/grumbling, is what makes this OK. In fact, it's what makes it an exception.

Well, considering this is your first remark, I'm just going to stop reading there and skip to the next post. You're arguing that it's ok if everyone does it but if one dissenter speaks up, it's reprimandable? Just, wow.

That's like justifying murder if a large group of people does it... hence, abortion is right because of that? Holy hell man, you've certainly lost your marbles and have found the most convoluted way to justify even the most wrong of actions. Thanks for proving that you'll jump through hoops to validate your garbage.

My pics of the Project 9/12 Tea party: http://news.webshots.com/album/574640859ijLanZ

"too long; didn't read." - xantl

Says far more about you than of me.

"We're not here to read your book asshole."

I understand; you have a precedent to maintain. Of course, no one ever said you had to read anything. But thanks for resorting to logically fallacious aggressiveness. Is it the length of my post, the factual contents within it, or just your own frustration at being incapable of reading something of that length that makes me a so-called "asshole"? I'd be curious to know.

"Why not take your happy ass back to Dailykos where you can enjoy the smelling of your own flatulence all daylong drooltray."

YES!! A fart joke! Awesome!
If I don't do what you say, are you going to tell your brother to beat up my brother? Man... you're like a logical fallacy machine! So tragic when someone is completely incapable of arguing on the merit of fact. Usually a symptom of deep-seated anger, fear and willful ignorance.

A two line post somehow generates a 13 line tirade straight out of a chimp's sphincter. Its almost like an amplification attack.

"Phew, I'm relieved! For a second there I thought you were discounting all conservatives because you didn't see enough brown people in some pictures and videos."

It's OK, you don't have to apologize for being so presumptuous as to have reached a false conclusion. I mean, fully reading and comprehending is so overrated. Just ask xantl.

"Continuing, I wanted to express my appreciation for your further analysis of this protest, and of conservatives as a whole."

You're welcome for the former, but I can't take credit for what you may yet again be presuming about the latter, as I never analyzed any such thing as "conservatives as a whole."

"Here I was getting excited over seeing such a vast group of like-minded people airing their grievances and making their voices heard in our nation's captial."

No doubt you were excited, as the choir was preaching to you. Funny thing about being like-minded. Though it was hardly "vast" at only a couple hundred thousand attendees after about six months of organizing and advertising. Maybe it was by conservative standards, though, as the right has never been big on marching.
However, despite all the professed excitement, I think there're more than a few people with an inferiority complex regarding the march, considering all the lies propagated by its organizers/blog cheerleaders. Persistent exaggerated estimates of 2 million attendees and falsely attributed pictures? Please.

"What would I do without your insight to remind me that we're really just the racist, lunatic fringe?"

Is resorting to logical fallacies and misrepresentations some sort of pre-requisite around here? As I've pointed out before, such things only reflect poorly on you, as it makes your argument look weak and suggests you may have poor reading comprehension skills. If you came away with the impression that I ever suggested the lunatic fringe group that marched on 9/12 was racist, you need to assess your own sloppy inferences and insecurities. I never even hinted that anyone at the 9/12 march was racist. I did however point out that they were almost entirely white. So, I guess, to you being white = being racist. That presumption of yours is incorrect and deplorable.

"And then we have you, Tim, telling us we're just the fringe, not representative of the majority"

The marchers on 9/12 aren't representative of the majority, no. If you're a part of that, then so be it.

"as if we're supposed to care at all about your opinion of a group's racial make-up."

Umm...I've shared no "opinion" of the group's racial make-up. I've just observed the obvious: they're nearly entirely all whites. Not an opinion, but fact. Does that bother you?

"Either we're the lunatic fringe or we're the obstructionist minority party, not both."

You are aware that GOP Congressmen (minority obstructionists) are not the same group as the 9/12 marchers (lunatic fringe)...right? I suggest you look up the word "faction." And why you claim to be a part of either one, with your "we're" word choice, baffles me. Are you secretly Jim DeMint, riding the fence?

"Regardless, you're getting your collective asses kicked all over the place and it must be frustrating."

I doubt even you know what this is supposed to reference to. Pure braggadocio, nothing more.

"But do continue"

Will do.

"A two line post somehow generates a 13 line tirade straight out of a chimp's sphincter. Its almost like an amplification attack." - xantl

xantl's rules of meaningful discourse:
1. When fart jokes fall flat, move to talking about animal sphincters.
2. See above.

I'm not debating you dipshit, I'm mocking you -- critical difference. Mocking you, and your 3000 line posts no one is actually reading. Go open your own blog and be boring elsewhere maggot dick.

"Well, considering this is your first remark, I'm just going to stop reading there and skip to the next post." - AmericanToTheCore

Willful ignorance can be a tough habit to break, and I wish you the best of luck in managing it in the meantime.

"You're arguing that it's ok if everyone does it but if one dissenter speaks up, it's reprimandable?"

I'm not arguing; I'm telling you the fact of the matter (of which you're apparently unaware): in the context of the president addressing Congress, given decades of precedent, it is commonplace for groups to laugh, clap, raise in ovation, grumble, or even boo. This is accepted behavior.
However, it is likely unprecedented that any Congressman has ever done what Wilson did. So much so that members of his own party rebuked his actions. They recognized the difference between boos/cheers and halting proceedings by pitching a personal fit while falsely accusing a president of lying. I wonder why you can't.

"That's like justifying murder if a large group of people does it... hence, abortion is right because of that?"

Actually, it's not "like justifying" any such thing. Do you know what the word "precedent" means? How about the word "context"? Are you seriously comparing groups of Congressmen clapping or booing during a president's speech to murder? You might want to rethink that one.

"Holy hell man, you've certainly lost your marbles and have found the most convoluted way to justify even the most wrong of actions."

Not at all, but I see you're in your fallback position of your comfort zone (logical fallacies). Just because you've mastered ad hominem and appeal to ridicule doesn't mean you have to whip it out every chance you get. As I've pointed out before, such things only reflect poorly on you, as it makes your argument look weak and suggests you may have poor reading comprehension skills.

"Thanks for proving that you'll jump through hoops to validate your garbage."

No hoops were jumped. Simply, I cogently explained my positions and the facts that inform them. I see that's a bit too challenging for you.

"I'm not debating you dipshit, I'm mocking you -- critical difference." - xantl

Oh, I'm quite aware that you're incapable of debate (though, "meaningful discourse" and "debate" aren't entirely synonymous).

"Mocking you, and your 3000 line posts no one is actually reading."

If you're not reading, why are you even replying? How would you even know what my posts say?
So, you're mocking me, eh? Because I totally didn't realize. Wait! Does that mean my mentioning your proclivity for farts/sphincters is "mocking", too? I'm just sooo unclear on what that constitutes. Maybe someone as well-read as you could clarify?

"Go open your own blog and be boring elsewhere maggot dick."

No, thanks. I like being boring. But, hey, nothing says "intelligently credible" like deep-seated anger, childish name-calling, and fart/sphincter references. Maybe you can shame me out of this blog?

Call a whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamblance, Liberal down, Liberal down.

^ ..... what?

As before, I'm quite aware that you're incapable of debate, xantl. You don't have to prove that fact ad nauseum. Unless you're just a glutton for punishment?

Sorry for my long posts, I have a lot of self loathing caused by the fact I like to hang around the docks and get my dick sucked by male prostitutes.

OK, thanks for sharing asshole? Like anyone cares - certainly explains a few things.

^ ..... what?

As before, I'm quite aware that you're incapable of debate, xantl. You don't have to prove that fact ad nauseum. Unless you're just a glutton for punishment?

ok. tim...
time to shove ya off...

and just because we dont work hard to show the world to a moron, doesnt mean your right, it just means your usually too insignificant and delusional to bother with.

first picture.

is of LLOYD MARCUS...
he is a minority who considers himself an american, not an african-american

Black Tea Party Express Tour Team Member Experienced Racism
www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/black_tea_party_express_tour_t.html

oh, by the way, he wrote the tea party anthem!!!

ok... four more to go to EMPIRICALLY prove your so stupid, and ignorant that you pretend eveyrone else is so you feel better about yourself.

my second contribution had several shots of him
michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/912.jpg

he is in the middle... he has a sign..
i dont belong to the party of no
i belong to the party of HELL NO!!!

behind him, is another minrity... and in front of both of them is a man whose heritage appears to be india.

and in case you deny it, here is another picture of the man and the other minority looks like his son.

michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/marco3.jpg

here is a small crowde pic:
michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/marco4.jpg

lower left corner... to left of woman in red shirt... there is another minority...

as a bonus...

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a Time For Courage.
We are gathered here today in common purpose. We are here to remind our government that this is our country. We the People are still in charge, and our government is still our servant and not our master.
Our Nation's founding document is The Declaration of Independence.. It tells us that our rights come from God and not from a small group of Elite men and women.
Our Constitution starts with the words "We the People." Our Constitution was written for ordinary Americans like you and me. Our Constitution protects us from our government and from the politicians.
Our President has complained that our Constitution gives ordinary people too much protection. He has ridiculed us for the high value we place on our Bibles, our guns, our personal property, and our Liberty .. He tells us we do not deserve to keep the money we have earned.
We are told freedom has not worked. Personal responsibility, free enterprise, and Liberty have not been effective. Our government will now make more of our decisions for us.
Other than our military, I can think of not one government agency I have ever found to be helpful.
And speaking of our military, how about those Navy Seals blowing the heads off those three terrorist pirates? Don't you just wish our entire government would function with such efficiency, professionalism, and courage?
We watch in disbelief as our beloved United States is weakened economically, militarily, and morally by a Radical President and his eager accomplices.
What has taken generations to build is systematically destroyed and replaced with the same Socialist Evil that brought poverty, destruction, and despair to untold hundreds of millions.
The problems we face today have occurred because we have not defended our Nation from Socialism. For too long we have allowed the wrong people to make the worst possible decisions.
The Radical leadership of our government daily fans the evil flames of class envy.
Our European and Canadian friends beg us to not make the same Socialist mistakes they did.
The President of the European Union warned our President that his Socialist economic plans are taking the World down the "road to Hell."
The path to power for Socialists includes taking God and guns from the citizens. Without spiritual and physical protection, people cannot defend themselves and their Liberty . They soon become slaves.
We are angered that our President apologizes for the exceptionalism and heroism of the United States of America . We are angered that we have been called cowards and racists because we oppose Socialism. Socialism is not racial. Socialism is an equal opportunity destroyer.
We are angered that a recent Department of Homeland Security report has singled out our military men and women who are returning home as being radical threat
The report also characterizes you and me as right-wing extremists and radicals because we favor smaller government and lower taxes.
You and I are average citizens who believe just like most of our fellow Americans. We want our government to leave us alone and to keep its hands off our money, our religion, or guns, our private property, and our lives.
We demand that our government stop spending money it does not have.
Stop confiscating our money and private property.
Stop printing money.
Stop subsidizing Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the other failed financial institutions and companies.
Mr. President, stop appointing tax cheats to positions of power and influence.
Mr. President, secure our borders.
Mr. President, do not divert money from our missile defense, F-22 Raptors, and other vital military equipment. This gives encouragement, aid, and comfort to our enemies. Protecting us is your number one job.
Mr. President, do not give voting rights to millions of illegal aliens and felons. You have no more right to create new voters for your benefit than you do to use our money to buy the 2010 and 2012 Elections.
We gather peacefully here today because there is a growing concern for what our government is doing to us and to our future. We fear for the very survival of our Republic.
Yet there is much to make us hopeful and to fill our hearts with optimism and courage. This is still our country!
The Constitution of the Unites States belongs to We the People. Our Constitution still protects us from our government.
Call every possible elected official, including our President, Vice President, and the Speaker of the House.
Demand that they stop stealing our money and giving it to ACORN and their other political supporters in order to buy votes.
Volunteer to work on our 2010 Census. Confront ACORN. Keep our Census honest... We must not allow our President to take control of our Census for his political advantage.
We must replace as much of our Far Left Congress as possible in 2010. Get involved... Do not let the ACORN control our 2010 Election.
Talk with someone every day who does not understand our nation's history and our great heritage. Tell them why the United States is a good and prosperous nation. It still remains that brightly lit city on the hill. It still is the best hope for all mankind.
Talk with all of the young people you can find. They are our future. Many do not understand what they have and that their future is being destroyed.
Encourage your elected State officials to pass legislation that will protect us from our Federal government. This is a time for strong peaceful action. Let us pray that we the People can quickly return our government to its Constitutional responsibilities.
Our President and Congress were elected to be our servants and not our masters.
Help our President and Congress to quickly realize the error of their ways and stop their reckless and unwarranted spending, cut our taxes, and reduce the size of our Federal bureaucracy.
If they do not, grant us the courage and determination to vote them out of power next year.

that was Cr. Donald May... bet you didnt think africans were that smart did you? bet you think like npr that all those minorities commit crimes cause thats how they are...

oooh... and those people who brought guns..
ever see the image expanded?

doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/obama-visit-014.jpg

oh my gawd.. a black man with more than one gun at an obama rally...

maybe tim thinks he is in black face?

here he is from the side so you can tell he has those features you look for in diversity training.

doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/obama-visit-015.jpg

and here they are reporting on it... like tim they think this black person is white.

www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=Gdnz8z2Geu

and just so you know that your siding with the real racists... remember, marx hated jews... the soviets were also antisemetic... hitler a socialist and student of marx, was also that way.

and lets see what the liberal left thinks of blacks... tell us left liberal communist hero MARGARET SANGER, hero, feminist, bigot and the woman that started the NEGRO PROJECT to help with these blacks and dysgenic races.

bet tim supports lgbt and abortions too.
so he doesnt know that many times over he is a racist projecting so that we can all be equal.

well i dont want to be equal to tim, he is a bigot and a racist, and he doesnt even know it.

"The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." -- Margaret Sanger, letter to Clarence Gamble, Dec. 10,1939. - Sanger manuscripts, Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College. (Dec. 10 is the correct date of the letter. There is a different date circulated, e.g. Oct. 19, 1939; but Dec. 10 is the correct date of Ms Sanger's letter to Mr. Gamble.)

she started race eugenics here, hitlers people even wrote ot her.

she is a hero of the left..

same people that are in this document too.

"The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." -- Margaret Sanger, letter to Clarence Gamble, Dec. 10,1939. - Sanger manuscripts, Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College. (Dec. 10 is the correct date of the letter. There is a different date circulated, e.g. Oct. 19, 1939; but Dec. 10 is the correct date of Ms Sanger's letter to Mr. Gamble.)

lets hope that we no longer have to hear from tim.
that he has realized that he is supporting slavery, racism, bigotry, class hate, war, and all that comes with it.

being too stupid to know is not an excuse and does not make you right tim.

whoops another one...

http://www.lookingattheleft.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/MG_0011-1-2.jpg

and some history for tim

THE HAYES-TILDEN
DISPUTED PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION OF 1876
PAUL LElJ^ND HAWORTH
www.archive.org/stream/hayestildendisp01hawogoog/hayestildendisp01hawogoog_djvu.txt

striving after effect — a striving which was altogether unnecessary, for the slory needed no embellishment What £he had to tell caused 2, great sensation among the Northern visitors. 1 ard was telegraphed to the remotest parts of the Union,

She testified that up to the Saturday night before the election she had lived wilii Henry Pinkston in a catMn on what was known as “The Island” of Ouachita parish. On that night a party of white men, some of whom she claimed to liave recognised, and two negroe? had ridden up to ihe cabin, and had called for Pinkston. Failing to entice him ont, they had broken in the ikxir, had seized him, and had sworn that if he voied the Repnblicaii ticket he would have ‘*to vote k in hell.” When die woman had attempted to Inter-fere, she had been knocked down. The ruffians had then gagged the man] had gashed him witJi knives, making a sound “\\i^ like cutting in new leather:” had then dragged him outside; and had there shot him seven times- Some of them had then re-entered the cabin j had killed a baby which the woman held in her arms; had assaulted the woman several times; and had then shot her, cut her, gashed her with an axe, and left her for dead. In proof of her story she exhibited her wounds, which were still unhealed. Thcv were a shocking sight, for she had unquestionably

be«n brutally dealt wirb; oti her thigh th^e was A frightful gash, there were wounds in her head and neck, aTid Uiere was a deep wound in one of her breasts-

Every possible effort was made by the Democrats, btxh before the reliirning board and before later con- gressional investigating conmiittees. to break down the story of ibis outrage. It was claimed that the murder had no political significance* that, as a matter of fact, Pinkston was a Democrat, ^ Charles Tidwell, the owner of the plantation on which the murder occurred, relucrantlv admitted before a Senate committee, how- ever, that while Pinksion had two years before voted with the Democrats, he was at the time of his dealh a Radical ; 2 there was also evidence to the effect that bv remaining away from ‘A Democraiic rally Pinkstcn had endar^ered his life. ^ Arother theory propounded by the Democrats was tliat Plnkston was killed by a negro named Brcxjks, with whom he bad had a fight 5onte months before. * Hut there was no real evidence 10 support the theory: while there was evidence, both direct and circumstantial, that the killing was the work of several men, ^ Much evidence was brought in by the Democrats to show that because Eliza was ol bad character no weight should be attached to her

story of the outrage. ^ As regards her character tlicre was no room for doubl. Her own testimony ^ showed her to be vulgar and indecent to a degree scarcely con- ceivable; and she was much given to embellishing her account with details that were evidently fictitTous, Yet the essential pOTtions of her siory were not success- fully impeached. The anxiety of some partisan writers, such a^ Gibson and Bigdow, to prove tie out- rage all a prtlf nse has betrayed them into some rather grim absurdities, Gibson triumphantly point* to the fact that the child’s throat was not cut, as she alleged, and that Pinkston’s body was not mutilated in the man- ner she described, ^ He seems to lose sight of the fact that the child was nevertheless killed, that its body was thrown into a pond, where it was not found for a week; of the fact tlial Pinkston was shot sever times and that his dead body was so distorted that it was not put into a coffin but was buried in a. quilt. So fiendish an outrage may appear incredible to some people, yet it Is a matter of history that outrages fully as brutal were committed by the Ku KJux — arc still coniniitted in some sections. The explanation lies in the barbarous character of a portion of the while population and in the low value attached to a *’nig- gCT’s” life.i

"ok. tim...
time to shove ya off..." - Artfldgr

"Shove ya off"? Haha...ok. Shove away!

"and just because we dont work hard to show the world to a moron, doesnt mean your right, it just means your usually too insignificant and delusional to bother with."

One big logical fallacy. Do you know what a logical fallacy is?

"ok... four more to go to EMPIRICALLY prove your so stupid, and ignorant that you pretend eveyrone else is so you feel better about yourself."

Another big logical fallacy.

"Our President has complained that our Constitution gives ordinary people too much protection."

False, until you can provide the quotation.

"He tells us we do not deserve to keep the money we have earned."

False, until you can provide the quotation.

"We are told freedom has not worked."

By whom? False, until you provide the quotation.

"Other than our military, I can think of not one government agency I have ever found to be helpful."

Unless May collects his own drinking water, disposes of his own waste water on his private land, buries his own garbage on his private land, drives his car on privates roads that he has built, walks on private sidewalks he has built, employs private and personal security/firefighting/EMS services, doesn't expect a fair trial before a jury of his peers nor the right to petition the government, then he is a horrible liar.

"We watch in disbelief as our beloved United States is weakened economically, militarily, and morally by a Radical President and his eager accomplices."

Pretty sure the economic crisis was in effect before Obama was even elected. I guess May has only been paying attention to the past 8 months. Also, our military hasn't been weakened, either. Not sure what makes him think this lie is true. And, morality is subjective.

"What has taken generations to build is systematically destroyed and replaced with the same Socialist Evil that brought poverty, destruction, and despair to untold hundreds of millions."

False in it's laughable vagueness.

"Our European and Canadian friends beg us to not make the same Socialist mistakes they did. The President of the European Union warned our President that his Socialist economic plans are taking the World down the 'road to Hell.'"

Neither Europe nor Canada have "begged" us to do anything regarding so-called 'socialism.'
Further, when did we begin to dictate our actions based on the opinion of a former president of the Czech Republic (who was forced to resign as his government lost a vote of no confidence)? Are you serious?

"The path to power for Socialists includes taking God and guns from the citizens."

Good thing we're free to practice a peaceable religion of personal choice and own guns in this country, and that no one in this or any administration in living memory has moved to change that, huh?

“We are angered that our President apologizes for the exceptionalism and heroism of the United States of America."

Then May's angered at what's never happened. The President has done no such thing.

"We are angered that we have been called cowards and racists because we oppose Socialism."

Cowards are those who understand what socialism is, yet misappropriate the term for the benefit for fear-mongering in place of informed debate (I’m guessing this includes May). The rest are just ignorant for not understanding what socialism actually is while taking up the charge regardless. And those who carry racists signs at protests are, well, racists. Sorry, but that's what happens when you associate with the lunatic fringe.

"We are angered that a recent Department of Homeland Security report has singled out our military men and women who are returning home as being radical threat"

Mischaracterization.

"The report also characterizes you and me as right-wing extremists and radicals because we favor smaller government and lower taxes."

And a fair characterization at that, but not solely for those reasons, as they are just the tip of the anti-government crowd iceberg. Most pose no threat (you're mostly all pomp and rhetoric anyway), but there are the few who will try to put that rhetoric into aggressive incitation or violent actions.

"You and I are average citizens who believe just like most of our fellow Americans."

False. No majority of this country is represented in the 9/12 march.

"We want our government to leave us alone and to keep its hands off our money, our religion, or guns, our private property, and our lives."

The government has not prevented anyone from practicing their peaceable religion or owning guns or property. You're welcome at any time to leave this country if you don't favor paying taxes. Otherwise, take it up with the Constitution, which makes it clear that’s how our form of government is funded.

"Mr. President, do not divert money from our missile defense, F-22 Raptors, and other vital military equipment."

This isn’t strictly the President’s decision; the Secretary of Defense also agrees with it. We have sufficient missile defense, we have about 200 F-22s along with other jets like the F-35, and we have the most well established and armed military in the world.

"This gives encouragement, aid, and comfort to our enemies."

A lie, which he’s lucky won’t result in a hefty defamation lawsuit against him (May is so inconsequential that it’d be a waste of time). Accusing the President falsely of treason is unconscionable and does a disservice to this country.

"Mr. President, do not give voting rights to millions of illegal aliens and felons. You have no more right to create new voters for your benefit than you do to use our money to buy the 2010 and 2012 Elections."

More slander.

"that was Cr. Donald May... bet you didnt think africans were that smart did you?"

First, Dr. Donald May is an American, not an African. Second, he is white, not black. Third, I happen to think that smart people are smart. Some happen to be white, some happen to be black, some happen to be Asian, some happen to be Indian, some happen to be Hispanic, some happen to be blind, some happen to be deaf, some happen to be men, some happen to be women, etc, etc, etc...
However, after reading May's largely unsubstantiated and hyperbolic op/ed, I would not cite him as a "smart" person.

"bet you think like npr that all those minorities commit crimes cause thats how they are..."

NPR has never put forth the premise that "minorities commit crimes cause thats how they are."

"oh my gawd.. a black man with more than one gun at an obama rally..."

Yea, that was pretty immature, huh? Good thing rights have surpassed reasoning, I guess...

"and just so you know that your siding with the real racists... remember, marx hated jews... the soviets were also antisemetic... hitler a socialist and student of marx, was also that way."

Sorry, I'm not a socialist or a fascist. You, however, are apparently devoutly ignorant.

"...MARGARET SANGER..."

A cliched red herring. What does she have to do with me, again?

"she is a hero of the left.. "

No, she's not.

"bet tim supports lgbt and abortions too."

Of course; I support the Constitution.

“lets hope that we no longer have to hear from tim.
that he has realized that he is supporting slavery, racism, bigotry, class hate, war, and all that comes with it.”

With childish appeals to ridicule like that, you can be sure you’ll hear plenty from me.

“being too stupid to know is not an excuse and does not make you right tim.”

No, my predilection for substance, objectivity and facts makes me right.
Given that you treat grammar as a joke and are clearly incapable of expressing your thoughts rationally or cogently, I wouldn't be so quick to hurl accusations of stupidity if I were you.

“and some history for tim
THE HAYES-TILDEN
DISPUTED PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION OF 1876”

And the events of 1876 have contemporary relevance to what, again?

I notice however, that you managed to find 5 pictures of non-white marchers on 9/12. A feat that took a bit of searching, it seems (I enjoyed your visual cues directing me to their locations in the photos, similar to a child helping their friend find Waldo in a book). I guess I should’ve set the bar at 6 photos. Next time. Regardless, I hate to rain on your parade by pointing out, again (as I did in my original post. I guess you didn’t read too carefully), that the 9/12 marchers don’t represent a majority of this country due to the simple fact that those in attendance were solely conservative partisans. That they were nearly all white only further makes them less of a minority, whether 4 blacks and 1 Indian attended or not. Which was my point all along, despite your confused interpretation on why race was mentioned.

One big logical fallacy. Do you know what a logical fallacy is?

really? And why we have the 5th amendment...

hee hee...

my family lived under the kind of state you want tim. MANY of them did...

so i know something else... they go after the ones that helped them first.

"just because we dont work hard to show the world to a moron, doesnt mean your right, it just means your usually too insignificant and delusional to bother with." - Artfldgr

"One big logical fallacy. Do you know what a logical fallacy is?" - Tim

"really? And why we have the 5th amendment..." - Artfldgr

Yes, REALLY. Do you REALLY know what a logical fallacy is? You clearly don't, as you inexplicably cite the 5th amendment (which you obviously also know nothing about, as it has no relation to your personal reliance on the use of logical fallacies) as your answer to my question. Of course, I'm speaking as if your response were rational at all. My mistake.

"hee hee... my family lived under the kind of state you want tim. MANY of them did..."

"hee hee" is right, as this statement is laughable in its vagueness. From reading your posts, I can see you're generally uninformed and thus easily mislead, which explains your arrogant presumption about what "kind of state" I want. And what kind of state would that be, Artfldgr? Here's a novel thought: how about you actually have the strength of your convictions to compare the U.S. to wherever it is, EXACTLY, that your family ("MANY of them") supposedly lived? Or is that too much for you to do? Would you prefer to just stick with your cryptic jeers? Wouldn't want to actually have to put yourself on the line with substance or facts, right?
What I'd love to do, however, is explain with ease how wrong your comparison of this unnamed place to the U.S. and our current administration is. If, you know, this state your "family lived under" has a name? I'll wait for that.

"so i know something else... they go after the ones that helped them first."

I see you're going to stick with your theme of absurd vagueness. Hey, at least you're consistent! Who are "they" again? You claim to "know" sooo much...yet you seem to struggle with proper nouns.

I'll interpret your last post to be the weak, over-the-shoulder kind of taunt offered by a child who's been bested and has no credible refutation to offer other than to walk away. The only intelligent move on your part so far.