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So, Obama is going to add 30,000,000 patients to the health care system while driving doctors out of the system.

But there will be no rationing.

I can see why they would rather accuse opponents of being lying racists than try to defend this pile of crap.

"The AMA, in fact, represents approximately 18% of physicians and has been hit with a number of defections by members opposed to the AMA's support of Democrats' proposed health care overhaul."

That should worry Americans because physicians typically are general practice, and that is what we are sorely lack as it stands. The people are clamoring for general medicine are the same people that want this plan to go through. Sounds to me as though these typical twisters are counter-productive.

I'd rather be homeless than work for the government in an industry that should be private.

YOU FIRST!!

The bill proposed by Max Baucus has a 35% tax hike for top-shelf/cadillac plans.

Correct if I'm wrong but aren't CONgress' health insurance coverage considered "top-shelf?" Now, considering WE pay for their insurance, won't that tax hike get passed onto us?

Therefore, WE are going to get taxed higher for THEIR health coverage but it's all under the guise of "taxing the rich," even though it misses its target completely.

Technically I was wrong... WE ARE the target. Therefore, their plan is hitting its mark.

Unions exempt from benefit taxes

Giving more power to corruption and opening the door for unionization sounds like a sure-fire plan to fix America. /sarc

look at the bright side - this may bring back some good old country style medicine - if these docs retire to the backwoods, we mountain folks can look forward to excellent medical care! you can get many medicines at feed stores these days and what they give animals is on a par with what humans take and in some cases better.

BUCK FARACK!

I'm a registered nurse working in a hospital. If this shit passes I see caps on wages and increased patient loads. I would not hesitate to leave the profession. I'm sure there would be more RN's leaving with me. We are stressed enough and if they give us a pittance for pay then only the dreamy eyed "out to save the world" nurses will be left, and that is few.

This opens to the door for more, less qualified doctors under affirmative action and foreign invasion, to fill the ranks which, by itself, yields lower quality (when averaged in). If that happens AND current, good doctors leave the profession, it would be doubleplusgood.

Thank your liberal rulers for reaching out to the less qualified individuals and giving them a job that they ARE NOT QUALIFIED FOR which will, inevitably, destroy American healthcare.

After our healthcare system is destroyed, what will we have to offer the world? Seriously...

We are a service country thanks to taxes/regulation (liberal-driven).
Are dollar is diminishing (primarily liberal-driven).
Nobody will come here for healthcare (liberal caused).
Stifling innovation and research (thanks Holdren for promoted de-development).

Holy hell, I made quite a few typos in that last post. Eh, the point was made.

Driving doctors out of the system is part of the plan.

This opens the doors to affirmative action programs to create obedient generations of doctors who will not mind a gubment set salary, bureaucrat impediments, etc... considering that before they would not be qualified to be phlebotomists.

Doctors leaving the system aids the agenda nicely.

Plus, Jeffery, those affirmative action doctors probably got their college costs subsidized fully by the government (on the backs of taxpayers). Therefore, they don't have to worry about paying school loans like, you know, the rest of college-goers.

Not being in debt up to your eyeballs kinda takes the sting out of becoming a doctor.

it will become known as:

GOODNUFF DOCTERN!

They'll change the standards by which the medical community are licensed. And AMA, goodbye.

So it will bring down costs after all! Take about a third of the doctors out of business, and it's less mouths to feed in "the system".

Sure, there will be less medical treatment going on, and more patients, but at least we'll all be equally screwed while we wait months for half-assed medical treatment.

I can't wait. This is going to be freakin awesome - as long as I don't get sick, or earn too much money, or drink sugary drinks, or smoke, or drink beer, or have objections to having my medical records in a vogon database...

What Baucus doesnt factor in is if the plans are taxed at that rate, these plans may be reduced to the point just below the tax threshhold. Its sort of how campaigns to stop people from smoking are reducing tobacco tax revenues forcing higher tax rates. Its a vicious cycle. Which is why what is called a "cadillac plan" now will will have to have even lower threshhold to encompass most private plans just to keep the revenues flowing in.

I will be Grizzley Czuch.
Big time.
Dr.'s from Paakistaan and other 3rd world countries. Howzabout a nice moooooozlum dr to help you with that?

As a cytologist with PhD, I'll add to the 'brain-drain' and go in for an early retirement if ObamaCare goes through.

I have enough saved and can always teach political theory at a university level again.

I really cannot understand why liberals ignore the Galt effect again and again. They pretend it doesn't exist in human nature. It's not rocket science. Can you answer my question, Ghost, Andy, Meh? Would you work a very hard job for free or little money?

Excellent SK! The universities need more conservative-minded professors to root out the institutionalized liberalism in our country!

Um, this is an IBD poll. Those haven't exactly been shown to mean anything whatsoever:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/09/ibdtipp-doctors-poll-is-not-trustworthy.html

Actual polls show that 73% of doctors support the public option:

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE58F3VJ20090916

So, which do you believe, a New England Journal of Medicine poll that publicized all of its internal numbers, or an IBD mail poll that won't publicize any of its internals and claims "responses are still coming in".

Posted by: forest --

"equally screwed"

Liberalism in 2 words.

Please check out this entry from the main page of Americans for Tax Reform; it's on this same subject!