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September 19, 2009
Chris Wallace on the World's Biggest Bunch of Crybabies
If whining doesn't work, there are other means to micromanage the content of news programs — as Obama's Political Censorship Czar Mark Lloyd can confirm.
On a tip from Oiao.
Posted by Van Helsing at September 19, 2009 7:54 AM
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Long live that unjaundiced Wallace atitude! (It helps him when he smirks at them!)
Posted by: MoogieP at September 19, 2009 8:57 AM
In other words Obama's people are constantly trying to coerce and manipulate the media.
Posted by: Kevin R. at September 19, 2009 10:27 AM
And Wallace is a lifelong registered democrat. Nevertheless, he's considered some sort of freakish figure from the cartoon right by the vermin who populate the American (no)news media establishment.
Posted by: ccoffer at September 19, 2009 10:34 AM
Tomorrow's show should be interesting- Bertha Lewis and Darrell Issa.
Meet the press has Boehner and Obama. Wonder if the ACORN scandel will be 'off limits'.
Posted by: Anonymous at September 19, 2009 11:08 AM
Tomorrow's show should be interesting- Bertha Lewis and Darrell Issa.
Meet The Press has Boehner and Obama. Wonder if the ACORN scandel will be 'off limits'.
Posted by: sassy at September 19, 2009 11:09 AM
FOX News, after 8 years of being a propaganda mouth piece machine for the Bush Admin, they've now become a news outlet for teabag parties and an advocate of Big Insurance. Their left/right speakers and interview ratio is grossly out of whack, they've been caught numerous times dubbing vids and placing the wrong (R)/(D) on names for intentional misrepresentation, they've become the promoters of birthers, and they encourage the continued "Obama's a racist/terrorist" as well as the "killing grangma/death panel" lies. Their anchor team and journalist consist mostly of political right wing hacks.
They've repeatedly refused to air the President's prime time speeches. When they aired his town hall, they switched away from it once they learned there wasn't any opposition---promising to return to it if there was. This alone justifies Obama snubbing them from tomorrows talk shows.
But I can understand why folks here would be upset. Moonbattery is just like FOX News. Fair and balanced in its agenda right?
Posted by: andy42302 at September 19, 2009 11:24 AM
they've now become a news outlet for teabag parties and an advocate of Big Insurance
Ah yes, more bullshit. Continuing to use the derogatory terms because you're so compassionate of those who are part of the liberal party. And there is no reference or truth to your claim that they advocate big insurance. You're grasping at things that aren't there because it doesn't fit your narrative. Congratulations being a loon.
Their left/right speakers and interview ratio is grossly out of whack
Of course you'll see conservatives represented on any other channel right? Case and point, you don't watch FoxNews therefore you have no clue who the speakers are. Liberals get a hefty representation on Fox and are, wait for it, even contributors to their news stories. Good luck finding balance on any other station, even it if is "out of whack" on Fox.
Their anchor team and journalist consist mostly of political right wing hacks.
Most of the people you're complaining about NEVER claimed to be journalists (Beck, Hannity, O'reilly, Ingraham, etc). Also, of course the anchor will be conservative. There's no doubt it has a conservative edge but what you're missing is that they bring many many liberal quests into the picture and the reverse cannot be said about other stations without bursting into tears of laughter.
They've repeatedly refused to air the President's prime time speeches.
Wrong, they have aired them, just not the full entire speech because, you know, hearing the same old rhetoric time and time again does not change the status. They have other news to report which the other stations seemingly forget ALL THE TIME. Granted, they're busy wiping the drool from their mouths as they stare at Obama with glazed-over eyes and fawn at his awesomeness, buying up every bit. News flash, just because he says "In my plan, it won't cover abortion" etc etc, if it's not IN the bill, it's all just words. Until those words translate into action on paper, it's garbage and shouldn't be reported. Just because I say the sun is cold doesn't make it so.
When they aired his town hall, they switched away from it once they learned there wasn't any opposition---promising to return to it if there was.
Welcome to the world of staging. Pre-screened people are not representative, they're a select sample which doesn't equate to reality. Obama snubbing FoxNews is his way of showing he can't stand toe-to-toe with dissent and differeing opinions, thus, a wuss and not fit to be President. It's understood that when you're in a public official position, it is your job to be the listener, regardless of when it suits your views or not. He's outright ignoring half of the country. I hope you're proud.
Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at September 19, 2009 11:46 AM
Everything Obama does, further defines him as, the most divisive President of all time. And to think, he ran as a moderate, preaching unity and bipartisanship.
He has yet to be moderate on any issue, berates the non-believers, and ignore conservatives.
Far left, divisive, partisan. Something that has never boded well for America. Back in the day, this is the exact same stance that segregationists took. Congratulations.
Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at September 19, 2009 11:51 AM
andy42302 listen , ROFLMAO ! Really Dude! Because the resulting Uh's and Ummmms and fake outrage , (because tough questions were asked by real journalists ) would be most embarrassing to the POTUS . Thats why he avoids Fox .
Posted by: Galligher at September 19, 2009 12:03 PM
I was wondering where our usual gaggle of Obama cult members was. Haven't heard that much from them lately, what with their Messiah on the ropes and their world falling apart. Thankfully, Andy doesn't disappoint.
FOX News, after 8 years of being a propaganda mouth piece machine for the Bush Admin, they've now become a news outlet for teabag parties and an advocate of Big Insurance.
Andy, of course, has no problem with CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, the New York Times, or any other media outlet being propaganda mouthpieces for the Obama administration. He objects to FOX being right wing, though, because to the leftist, none can be allowed to escape. As I've said before, to the leftist the only crime is thoughtcrime.
Their left/right speakers and interview ratio is grossly out of whack,
Aww, welcome to our world, little Andy. For YEARS the media has put one conservative (often someone barely conservative) up against several lefties in interviews and panel discussions. It didn't offend you... although, I suspect that you'd be perfectly happy if there were no conservatives interviewed in the media at all.
they've been caught numerous times dubbing vids and placing the wrong (R)/(D) on names for intentional misrepresentation, they've become the promoters of birthers,
Really? How so? Please cite specific examples, Andy.
and they encourage the continued "Obama's a racist/terrorist"
I believe he is a racist. I believe YOU are a racist as well, Andy. It goes with being a lefty.
lies. Their anchor team and journalist consist mostly of political right wing hacks.
Of course, the definition of "hack" being anyone Andy disagrees with.
They've repeatedly refused to air the President's prime time speeches.
Tough. The President isn't a God-King, much as you'd like this one to be. The networks are under no obligation to sacrifice their advertising revenue to provide free time to him merely because he demands it.
Personally, I'm glad FOX isn't giving the President time for his propaganda. There are other networks (all the other networks) where one can see Obama campaign for his statist takeover of the US economy.
When they aired his town hall, they switched away from it once they learned there wasn't any opposition---promising to return to it if there was. This alone justifies Obama snubbing them from tomorrows talk shows.
Obama is a pussy. He, like you, can't stand the idea that anyone would question them, and THAT is why he doesn't grant FOX interviews. Wallace is right about Obama and his administration. They're a bunch of crybabies.
But I can understand why folks here would be upset. Moonbattery is just like FOX News.
You mean it's popular and causes left wing drones like you extreme irritation? That's true enough, I suppose.
Fair and balanced in its agenda right?
Idiot. This blog exists to make fun of people like you. Nothing fair or balanced about it, leftist drone. If this upsets you, feel free to leave and not return. After all, we already have other Kool-Aid-drinking leftists who comment here, and you are interchangeable. We only really need one of you.
Posted by: Evil Otto at September 19, 2009 12:05 PM
The problem we have here when arguing with twits like Andy is that we're in a religious argument with them. Obama said it, he believes it, that settles it. There's no conscious thought going on there, just blind faith in whatever he is told. Thus, Andy comes here not because he's willing to listen to what we think, but because we're heretics who must be opposed. It just offends him that some people are not leftists, that some people dare to show skepticism towards the Teleprompter Messiah.
It is the same with FOX. It's not enough for conservatives to be represented on even one network. They must be denied a voice completely so that none may doubt.
Posted by: Evil Otto at September 19, 2009 12:13 PM
ATTC, I assume you agree that FOX spent 8 yrs as a Bush mouth piece as you steered clear of that. Otherwise, you'd whitewash it with non sequitur gibberish and the old "oh no they're not" trite nonsense.
Your agreement that FOX hasn't aired Obama's speeches in there entirety speaks volumes of their credibility as a serious news outlet. Your logic that news shouldn't be reported "Until those words translate into action on paper, it's garbage" and that being tired of "wiping drool" is a rationale to avoid Capitol Hill breaking news, diminishes your credibility as a serious conversationalist as well.
Oh, and I well understand Beck, Hannity, et al are not journalist but it's strange how FOX News so strongly promotes them while claiming not to be associated with their opinions. If you wanta be a news outlet, be a news outlet. If you wanna be an entertainment channel, be one. But just don't expect the POTUS to show the same respect as he does to serious news outlets. You don't hear TVLAND crying like babies.
Posted by: andy42302 at September 19, 2009 12:17 PM
FoxNews mouthpiece for Bush? No. Conservative swing? Yes. I thought that was clear, considering I hinted at that in my response.
Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at September 19, 2009 12:23 PM
Right on, ATTC and Evil Otto.
Any of the other networks could have sent in an undercover camera crew into ACORN offices and found out what Breitbart and FoxNews found out. They didn't because they turn a blind eye to all corruption on the left. Having a voice of opposition is a good thing, even if certain pansies don't like it.
Posted by: V the K at September 19, 2009 12:27 PM
ANDY-- "When they aired his town hall, they switched away from it once they learned there wasn't any opposition---promising to return to it if there was. This alone justifies Obama snubbing them from tomorrows talk shows."
Evil Otto: "Obama is a pussy."
ANDY:- "and they encourage the continued "Obama's a racist/terrorist"
EVIL OTTO: "I believe he is a racist."
EVIL OTTO: "Andy, of course, has no problem with CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, the New York Times,"
ANDY: So, Otto, your basically upset that almost every major news outlet other than FOX News doesn't promote your beliefs? And for this reason, you feel that Obama owes them an appearance on their Sunday talk shows? Your logic is obviously disturbing.
Posted by: andy42302 at September 19, 2009 12:29 PM
But just don't expect the POTUS to show the same respect as he does to serious news outlets.
You can't be serious... They glanced past the 9/12 rally which was far larger than any other left-wing protest (and yes, protest, so don't compare it to inauguration which I always expect many to attend) while still saving every last bit of airtime for little "I'm entitled..." protests. That reeks of favoritism which has NO place in serious news.
Not only that, they've been on the edge (if existent at all) about Van Jones, the pro-life man that was murdered, ACORN, the SEIU official caught with child pornography, ALL CZARS... this shows their complete lack of journalistic integrity in favor of promoting their shining star.
Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at September 19, 2009 12:30 PM
ATTC, I know you don't consider The Huffington Post as a credible outlet or blog but follow this 1 link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/19/cnn-ad-hits-back-at-fox-n_n_292158.html
Just because FOX News says others didn't cover the mega teabagging fest, doesn't mean it's so.
How much does FOX News tell you about the history of "CZARS". You act as if it's an Obama invention. And I think we know there's plenty of bad in both parties. Why does FOX News only target the bad in one of them? Additionally, why should that party reward them with air time? We're not talking anything other than Sunday talk shows. Why is FOX crying? What makes them deserving of this administrations time?
Posted by: andy42302 at September 19, 2009 12:41 PM
andy42302 you forget more than 8 years of liberal propaganda, of personnal attacks on president Bush on a daily basis, of blind support for a clueless president with dangerous policies for the country? Oh right, Liberals only remember what they want.
Posted by: Jay B. at September 19, 2009 12:44 PM
Andy, before going to the link...
I'd like you to reread what I wrote...
"They glanced past the 9/12 rally..."
"Not only that, they've been on the edge..."
I did not claim that they didn't cover it.
I'm very clear with my words and you've misconstrued them.
Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at September 19, 2009 12:48 PM
Also, FoxNews isn't crying about being snubbed. They're merely stating that they are being ignored as a news network and not begging (which would equate to crying/whining).
If the same were to happen to a select network of a select political persuasion, the left would explode. Imagine if there was only one "left" network and this kinda thing happened.
I'm amazed that you'll fight for the left minority, but not the right minority (though we are not in literal terms but in broadcasting balance we are). You're being consistently inconsistent.
Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at September 19, 2009 12:52 PM
ATTC, perhaps we see things differently but Chris Wallace seems to be in desperate need of a hug and a cookie. That's just my take.
When you say "they", I'm assuming you mean CNN, and pretty much anyone other than FOX. What you're failing to see is that FOX News has one agenda. I'm reading in these post that it's fine to bypass Obama's public addresses or to water them down in clip segments why focusing heavily on ACORN, Jones, and TEA Parties. You seem to be hammering the others for doing vice versa.
For what it's worth, I read and watch a variety of news outlets. I consider MSNBC and FOX as being extreme in their views. It's really a shame (in my opinion) that there isn't an outlet for the right that isn't as outright deceptive as FOX.
Posted by: andy42302 at September 19, 2009 1:14 PM
Liberal cunts whinning people are eating too much meat and not enough veggies over this global warming poppycock bull kaka
Posted by: SPURWING PLOVER at September 19, 2009 1:20 PM
News outlets shouldn't have a political swing so where you say "It's really a shame (in my opinion) that there isn't an outlet for the right that isn't as outright deceptive as FOX," I say it's a shame there isn't clear even-handedness on any news outlet.
Until that day, bickering will continue and the American people will never see eye to eye because they'll both have different sets of facts, thus coming to different conclusions.
Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at September 19, 2009 1:26 PM
So, Otto, your basically upset that almost every major news outlet other than FOX News doesn't promote your beliefs?
And you're whining because 1 network doesn't promote your views, because you're not content that all the rest ... ABC, CBS, CNN, NPR, PBS, MSDNC, NBC, Univision ... are in the tank for Obamunism. Not even one opposition voice is to be tolerated.
Posted by: V the K at September 19, 2009 1:31 PM
So, Otto, your basically upset that almost every major news outlet other than FOX News doesn't promote your beliefs?
(rolling eyes) No, dumbass. I'm saying that YOU are upset because one major news outlet doesn't promote your beliefs. You and the rest of the left just get so pissy about FOX. It's amusing. As for the rest of the media, I don't expect much of anything like balance from them, so nothing they do shocks me.
And for this reason,
Which is incorrect.
you feel that Obama owes them an appearance on their Sunday talk shows?
Being president means that you have to make tough choices and sometimes face... wait for it... OPPOSITION. At least it did before this current administration and its legions of bootlickers. In times past the media considered itself the loyal opposition, no matter who was in the Oval Office. No more. Today, they are merely propaganda wings of the White House. So Obama should man up, go on FOX, and expect to be raked over the coals. He should expect that from every media outlet, but he doesn't, because he knows they're merely cheerleaders.
Actually If the rest of the media were sensible, they'd tell him to either get stuffed or to buy time like other advertisers do.
Your logic is obviously disturbing.
Spare me, drone. You don't know what logic is. To you, logic (like everything else) means "agreement with me."
Posted by: Evil Otto at September 19, 2009 1:49 PM
I agree ATTC, that news outlet shouldn't be bias. But they are. It would be interesting to hear your opinion of the the LEAST bias news outlets in order: ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, NBC, PBS. Any others that fit in there is fine. Notice I listed them in alphabetical order for fairness.
Posted by: andy42302 at September 19, 2009 1:50 PM
LOL, But they (news outlets) should have read AREN'T.
Posted by: andy42302 at September 19, 2009 1:53 PM
Andy, once again, are you a whore like goatse or just a nimrod? Goatse doesn't provide good value for whatever money he gets, with a blog that nobody reads and getting slapped around every time he shows up here. Does anybody support your drivel, or are you just a true believer? Because you sure get slapped around here.
Fox may make a mistake now and then, they all do. Beck at least admits his. Show us, with your infinitude of knowledge, where anything on fox has been as blatantly untruthful as, for example, cropping the video of the black guy with the M4 and stating, not implying, that it was white guys showing up with firearms. Just an example. Almost as bad as dan blather.
Pick any other outlet on TV and it's a slavering sycophant of maximum leader zero, like state-owned propaganda outlets. They report his lies as gospel truth, and ignore the corruption and failings, which are both endemic.
Fox is the only one that shows us some of this stuff, and they have by far the highest ratings. Why is that? Is it because they've misled so many people? No. People have a much better bullshit detection sense than you would believe of them. The ones that haven't swallowed the koolaid know.
Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at September 19, 2009 1:54 PM
"Fair and balanced in its agenda right?"
Posted by: candyandy the desperate socialist in complete fucking denial who is an Obama fluffer42302 at September 19, 2009 11:24 AM
Are you for real Candy!
Stop with the hypocrisy socialist....
Go to work for ABC or CNN you would fit in just fine for those lying ass loons.
You are one sick puppy.
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2009 3:01 PM
Fair and balanced in its agenda right? -Andy.
Idiot. This blog exists to make fun of people like you.-Evil Otto.
Andy, I counseled you weeks ago. They wait for you here. You are out-classed.
There is a popular myth that insane people are happy in their illness. You are a prime example with your demented name-calling. Stop giving yourself pain.
Sorry, to other contributors, but long exposure to Andy has made me feel sorry for him.
Posted by: jim at September 19, 2009 3:23 PM
He just won't answer my question.
Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at September 19, 2009 5:00 PM
"He just won't answer my question."
He's scared like pretty much most of the left.
Be careful Evilwrench, he just might pull that pussy race card on you.
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2009 5:23 PM
Evilwrench, who won't answer what question and who are you talking about. Your last post to me asked 5 different questions. This is Saturday evening where I live so forgive me if I'm not a moonbattery loyalist spending my time awaiting silly nonsense. Despite the fact that no one here ever answers any questions of mine, I may entertain the thought of responding to yours. If I don't, it's either due to pursuing other options or the fact that you and the multiple characters that you portray here are irrelevant in the real world.
Posted by: andy42302 at September 19, 2009 6:09 PM
Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at September 19, 2009 1:54 PM- "Andy, once again, are you a whore like goatse or just a nimrod? Goatse doesn't provide good value for whatever money he gets, with a blog that nobody reads and getting slapped around every time he shows up here. Does anybody support your drivel, or are you just a true believer? Because you sure get slapped around here."
Dandy Andy, like Goatse and Boston Red are ass-blasters. They dig the sweaty man action, and being smacked around like little fey bitches. It stands to reason that they would indulge in OEH- Online Erotic Humiliation. It is how they get their jollies.
Posted by: chairman soetoro's oprichniki at September 19, 2009 7:10 PM
"It stands to reason that they would indulge in OEH- Online Erotic Humiliation. It is how they get their jollies." - Chairman Soetoro.
I didn't realise, sorry. Lost my copy of Psychopathica Sexualis years ago.
It's OK Andy. Come on in.
Posted by: Jim at September 19, 2009 7:31 PM
Posted by: jim at September 19, 2009 3:23 PM- "Stop giving yourself pain. Sorry, to other contributors, but long exposure to Andy has made me feel sorry for him."
Jim, don't let him know you feel sorry for him. It frustrates the masochist no end. Andy digs pain. He likely has some sort of spiked leather device strapped round his junk to read the responses. Andy's a bad little girl. He needs this blog, and our help.
Posted by: chairman soetoro's oprichniki at September 19, 2009 8:33 PM
Andy, just so you know, I read until I encounter "teabagger" and then stop reading, assuming that anyone so unspeakably stupid has nothing useful to say.
It's an assumption that's never failed.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 19, 2009 9:28 PM
Jay, I can actually side with you to an extent on "teabagger" and to be honest, I realize it's an unfair innuendo. Perhaps the reason I've joined in on using the vulgar term is that I feel that they too are being dishonest. Look at the very acronym for Taxed Enough Already. These folks haven't had a tax increase so wtf are they talking about? Oh, it's about the debt, bailouts, and spending that will result in future taxes. But where were they when Bush signed off on a $2 billion stimulus of $600 in every pot nonsense? Where were they when he signed off on bailouts. Where were they when Bush was demanding $billions a day for an incompetent occupation in Iraq? Where were they when the 109th GOP Congress were spending and spending and spending? And yeah, I know your response Jay, something like "we hated that spending too" or whatever but you sat on your hands.
These folks seem to be hiding behind the tax and spending issue when in fact they appear more pissed at losing the election and having a black man in the White House. Read their signs Jay. They really have no other clear agenda. They were yelling "we want our country back" just weeks after the inauguration and have continued that mantra since.
I continue to see FOX News and the GOP promoting dishonest innuendos (terrorist/Marxist/birther/Hitler/Nazi) and outright lies (killing grandma, death panels,)which is what we are seeing more of at the rallies. I see Americanworks, Dick Armey, and FOX News basically continuing a lie in hopes of it becoming the truth. We saw this same thing with a lot of the Saddam/bin Laden connection and with the abject failures of the Bush era. It seems to have become the trademark of the GOP.
So if I'm being dishonest or unfair in addressing the Taxed Enough Already protesters, what does honesty or fairness have to do with anything. If I'm using dishonest innuendos to discredit folks that are spreading hate, lies, and fear (mainly corporate sponsored and/or simply because they lost the election), so be it.
In fairness, not one contributor here(or the multiple alias's of that one contributor) has come back with a rational rebuttal on FOX News, and instead, resorted to insults and non sequiturs. Some have even sided with FOX for selling hate and the very derogatory statements we're seeing at the rallies--which has nothing to do with tax increases. So excuse me for disagreeing that FOX is entitled to an Obama appearance on their Sunday talk shows.
If you want to address the protesters agenda and why the sudden outcry, or even FOX as a credible and fair and balanced news outlet, I'll gladly respond. If you want to join in the heckling (or create several pseudonym rodeo clowns to distract) or copy and paste each sentence only to add some asinine and ad hominem retort, like you, I'll likely skip right over it and dismiss it as gibberish.
Posted by: andy42302 at September 20, 2009 6:45 AM
Man! Is the left getting desperate or what!!
Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeal leftist piggies, Oink!!
I've got to hand it to them, they at least know when their ass is going DOWN! ;-)
WE SURROUND YOU!
Posted by: TED at September 20, 2009 7:12 AM
Posted by: TED at September 20, 2009 7:23 AM
Posted by: candyandy the desperate socialist pig who is in such fucking in denial that he is incapable of rational thought42302 at September 20, 2009 6:45 AM
BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSHIT!
Hey college boy put down that BOOOSH card. You have overplayed that and at this time it is useless. Your messiah and his disciples are putting the BOOOSH administration to absolute shame when it comes to spending, that's a fact. You guys are in control and fully accountable now. stop with the; B....B.....BUT BOOSH!!!!
When you put that METH pipe down and listen to what your party is saying about us then you will see what a fucking hypocrite you truly are.
You keep hammering away at FOX News. What are you so scared of? We have multiple shit head lefty News channels trying to discredit us yet we take it in stride because we know it's BULLSHIT. You on the other hand keep moaning and groaning about one channel, one. Is this because FOX News reaches so many people and tells more of the truth exposing your messiah and his disciples? HUH?
Face it Candandy you and the rest of you Obambats are terrified! Your experiment with socialism is going to be met with more and more resistance. You socialist pigs are beginning to feel the heat.
The messiah and his disciple are getting more desperate as 2010 approaches and it shows, big time. The disciples of Obama are using everything in their typical yet predictable play book. It's not working!
Candy your last post is very telling about you and left thinking.
You guys are FUCKING nuts..........
Posted by: Dave at September 20, 2009 8:44 AM
"How much does FOX News tell you about the history of "CZARS"?"
They are the only ones who are covering these mysterious "advisors", so more than anyone else.
"You act as if it's an Obama invention. And I think we know there's plenty of bad in both parties."
Obama could have gotten away with a couple, but 30 or so? That's too many. And the fact that there is bad in both parties doesn't address the fact that Obama is loading up on expensive advisors at a time of economic distress (economic advisors that often have unsavory socialist or totalitarian goals).
"Why does FOX News only target the bad in one of them?"
I don't think that's true. They covered Guantanamo, didn't they? They covered the controversy over Bush's wire-tapping. I think you just don't notice it when your opponents ox is being gored, because you have been conditioned to expect ONLY that.
"Additionally, why should that party reward them with air time?"
I think Evil Otto already explained this. Obama would not be "rewarding" them. He would be doing his job by reaching out to ALL citizens, not just the one's he already has in his pocket. His job is to unify this country and he's doing a craptastic job of it.
"We're not talking anything other than Sunday talk shows. Why is FOX crying? What makes them deserving of this administrations time?"
Again, I think this has been covered. It's important to know that the Obama administration is trying to control the message in the supposed "free press". That, little Andy, is not only news, it's scandalous.
Posted by: Judith M. at September 20, 2009 2:11 PM
Linked to at: THE TCOTS SPOT-ON QUOTE OF THE DAY
Posted by: Bob Belvedere at September 20, 2009 2:37 PM
Judith, do you just type anything that pops in you mind? You often make statements that simply aren't true or defies the fact. You recently stated that HR3200 made it mandatory for the elderly to receive end of life counseling. That's an outright false statement and you've never responded. You just state bullshit that you've heard as if it's the truth. Do you not research these things?
These mysterious "advisors" as you say did not begin with Obama. These media named "czars" date back through history, beyond the Nixon era. You chastise Obama for having "30 or so"(32 to be exact) as being "too many" yet you overlook the fact that Bush had 31 and some of Obama's are Bush appointees. So what's this bullshit about Obama loading up on "expensive advisers"?
As far as FOX crying about not being rewarded with air time, perhaps they should have considered this when they chose "So You Think You Can Dance" over the President speech or when they choose to pull away from his town hall coverage because no one was shouting him down but promising to return coverage in the event someone does.
I'm not seeing where Evil gave a rational response. Was it when he said "Andy, once again, are you a whore like goatse or just a nimrod"? Or maybe it was when he said "I believe he is a racist. I believe YOU are a racist as well, Andy. It goes with being a lefty".
When Evil and the multiple rodeo clown personalities engage in rhetorical gibberish (as I plainly pointed out in Posted by: andy42302 at September 19, 2009 12:29 PM), I'm not wading back threw the BS in hopes of finding some logic to their obvious intent to belittle anyone that doesn't march lockstep to their mindset.
Posted by: andy42302 at September 20, 2009 3:19 PM
Really Andy? A lie? I just went out to Thomas and pulled this section from HR 3200. Looks like the end of life counseling is in there to me.
SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.
(a) Medicare-
(1) IN GENERAL- Section 1861 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended--
(A) in subsection (s)(2)--
(i) by striking `and' at the end of subparagraph (DD);
(ii) by adding `and' at the end of subparagraph (EE); and
(iii) by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:
`(FF) advance care planning consultation (as defined in subsection (hhh)(1));'; and
(B) by adding at the end the following new subsection:
`Advance Care Planning Consultation
`(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term `advance care planning consultation' means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following:
`(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.
`(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.
`(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
`(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
`(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.
`(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include--
`(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is beneficial to the individual and the individual's family and the reasons why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the individual changes;
`(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order; and
`(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if the individual is unable to communicate those wishes, including requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decisionmaker (also known as a health care proxy).
`(ii) The Secretary shall limit the requirement for explanations under clause (i) to consultations furnished in a State--
`(I) in which all legal barriers have been addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining treatment to constitute a set of medical orders respected across all care settings; and
`(II) that has in effect a program for orders for life sustaining treatment described in clause (iii).
`(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a States described in this clause is a program that--
`(I) ensures such orders are standardized and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
`(II) distributes or makes accessible such orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional's authority under State law) may sign orders for life sustaining treatment;
`(III) provides training for health care professionals across the continuum of care about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment; and
`(IV) is guided by a coalition of stakeholders includes representatives from emergency medical services, emergency department physicians or nurses, state long-term care association, state medical association, state surveyors, agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association.
`(2) A practitioner described in this paragraph is--
`(A) a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)); and
`(B) a nurse practitioner or physician's assistant who has the authority under State law to sign orders for life sustaining treatments.
`(3)(A) An initial preventive physical examination under subsection (WW), including any related discussion during such examination, shall not be considered an advance care planning consultation for purposes of applying the 5-year limitation under paragraph (1).
`(B) An advance care planning consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.
`(4) A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order.
`(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term `order regarding life sustaining treatment' means, with respect to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to the treatment of that individual that--
`(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care professional (as specified by the Secretary and who is acting within the scope of the professional's authority under State law in signing such an order, including a nurse practitioner or physician assistant) and is in a form that permits it to stay with the individual and be followed by health care professionals and providers across the continuum of care;
`(ii) effectively communicates the individual's preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual;
`(iii) is uniquely identifiable and standardized within a given locality, region, or State (as identified by the Secretary); and
`(iv) may incorporate any advance directive (as defined in section 1866(f)(3)) if executed by the individual.
`(B) The level of treatment indicated under subparagraph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treatment to an indication to limit some or all or specified interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may include indications respecting, among other items--
`(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac or pulmonary problems;
`(ii) the individual's desire regarding transfer to a hospital or remaining at the current care setting;
`(iii) the use of antibiotics; and
`(iv) the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration.'.
(2) PAYMENT- Section 1848(j)(3) of such Act (42 U.S.C. 1395w-4(j)(3)) is amended by inserting `(2)(FF),' after `(2)(EE),'.
(3) FREQUENCY LIMITATION- Section 1862(a) of such Act (42 U.S.C. 1395y(a)) is amended--
(A) in paragraph (1)--
(i) in subparagraph (N), by striking `and' at the end;
(ii) in subparagraph (O) by striking the semicolon at the end and inserting `, and'; and
(iii) by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:
`(P) in the case of advance care planning consultations (as defined in section 1861(hhh)(1)), which are performed more frequently than is covered under such section;'; and
(B) in paragraph (7), by striking `or (K)' and inserting `(K), or (P)'.
(4) EFFECTIVE DATE- The amendments made by this subsection shall apply to consultations furnished on or after January 1, 2011.
Posted by: Judith M. at September 20, 2009 5:30 PM
Oh, and Andy, if you don't read the responses to your questions, how can you claim people are not responding to you?
I think you also misconstrue what Fox is saying. They aren't saying, "We want more air time with Obama!" they're saying, "Stay the hell away from our editorial department; we are an independent news organization!" Obviously if they are cutting back Obama's speeches and are not covering his astroturf town hall meetings, they aren't worried about covering him too much, are they?
And I disagree with your characterization of Evil Otto, as well. He has a fine mind and is very logical, not to mention being incredibly patient.
Posted by: Judith M. at September 20, 2009 6:24 PM
Anyone else here (including all resident trolls) notice that during the election coverage, FOX was the only news outlet that didn't talk over any candidate's speeches? Even when Obama was on TV, they shut up and held their comments until after he was finished... as where CNN and MSN would begin to talk over McCain and Hillary, but quieted immediately for Chairman O? And who wants to say that FNC is so slanted? That seems rather fair to me, in contrast to certain other networks. Having an opposing viewpoint is fine, and should be expected. But to not allow the other point of view to be heard, THAT is where bias comes into play.
Posted by: Murff at September 21, 2009 3:53 AM
I'm wondering Judith, why you chose to copy and past somewhere around 1000 words when you could have highlighted where it says that end of life counseling is "mandated" or as you claimed that the elderly would be force to have said counseling every five years. The reason you can't is because it isn't there. Why not just copy and paste the entire bill and then say something like "see there, told ya"?
Your argument is like saying that if a policy is required to OFFER and PAY FOR child care in the event that both parents or the sol parent of the plan are hospitalize, that means that the government mandates removal of your children if you get sick. The insurance provider may be mandated to OFFER this but the patient isn't MANDATED to do anything.
You are just wrong. But the thing is, the more you can keep making this false claim, the more likely it is to pick up a few believers. The trademark of the GOP-continue a lie until it becomes the truth.
As mentioned Judith when Evil responds with things like I listed as below, it obvious that he has no interest in a rational discussion:
ANDY-- "When they aired his town hall, they switched away from it once they learned there wasn't any opposition---promising to return to it if there was. This alone justifies Obama snubbing them from tomorrows talk shows."
Evil Otto: "Obama is a pussy."
ANDY:- "and they encourage the continued "Obama's a racist/terrorist"
EVIL OTTO: "I believe he is a racist."
EVIL OTTO: "Andy, of course, has no problem with CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, the New York Times,"
ANDY: So, Otto, your basically upset that almost every major news outlet other than FOX News doesn't promote your beliefs? And for this reason, you feel that Obama owes them an appearance on their Sunday talk shows? Your logic is obviously disturbing.
If Evil has a reasonable issue, I'll respond. There's no need in his long winded distracting diatribe to pretend he made a point. There's no need for you to copy and paste a long winded 1000+ word legislative language to pretend that somewhere in the jarnagan, you win.
It's interesting that you think so highly of Evil's intelligence as he parrots the same talking points and rhetoric as his many alias's here. It's become overwhelmingly obvious that technique of multiple names here helps to distract and drown out anyone that calls you out on your nonsense. The only reason I continue to post here is to observe the responses. I can generally guess those responses in advance. It's funny.
Posted by: andy42302 at September 21, 2009 4:51 AM


