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I'm sorry, but can we vote them out of the country yet?

It's really funny the way you always take the names of people and places you don't like and make them sound stupid, like Berserkley and San Fransicko.

Well done.

You'd think a city with a university might have a copy of the US Constitution gathering dust somewhere. If they opened it they would learn that treaties, once approved by the Senate, join in the supreme law of the land. So if the US has approved a treaty they are already covered. If not then the council does not have authority to join in any treaty with a foreign government.

Not sure how it works on planet Berkley but that's how it is done here.

Van what aquasnot is trying to say is that he's jealous of your sense of humor and knows his feeble brain would never be able to do a play on words like you do.

Aquatarkus, have you ever been to Beserkeley or San Fransicko? I have. The names fit.

Indeed, their reputations precede them due to their own efforts.

Can we now please vote this liberal stinkhole out of america it and SAN FRANSTINKHOLE

Cant we just use Beserkely to store nuclear waste or better yet as a nuclear test site?

That guys a dead ringer for CHARLES MANSON who should have been exicuted but wasnt becuase of that stupid JERRY(MOONBEAM)BROWN probibly the most worthless politician in KALIFORNIA

Can't they get 3 years in prison for violating the Logan Act?

I think we should let the UN troops into Kalifornia to enforce that treaty. Of course the US would have to recuse its troops due to conflict of interest (too tempting to just clean it out and start over).

Alternative: let the Reconquistas have Mexifornia. Seal off the new border with guns and claymore mines. Let them enjoy.

Now that Berkeley has declared itself a country, that means we can bomb the shite out of it, right? Well in theory anyway, if we had a Real American in charge.

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It's really funny the way you always take the names of people and places you don't like and make them sound stupid
Posted by: aquatarkus at September 30, 2009 11:03 AM

You mean like how you Leftists do? Any of these ring a bell? Chimpy McHitlerburton, Dickhead Cheney, FauxNews, Sarah Failin/Malibu Barbie, Ann Cunter...

Or how your side calls us ordinary citizens "Teabaggers/Racists/Nazis" for daring to oppose the dangerous POLICIES of Comrade Obama's socialistic power grab?

Yeah, you LIBERAL HYPOCRITES aren't fooling anyone.

Hey, I'm raising kids in the (south) Bay Area! It used to be so nice here when I grew up in the 70's/80's, but now I can't stand going into the Shitty by the Bay! I'd move to Az, Tx or Tn if I could convince Mr. LittleMissPerfect to leave.

LittleMissPerfect, run!

I'm from SF originally, and went to Berkeley, and have turned down any number of employment offers to return to the Bay Area because a) we have kids too (young boys no less - yikes!), b) I didn't want to go around pissed off all the time, and c) I was concerned that whatever is wrong with people there might be catching, or in the water supply or something.

Nunya:

Here's the thing, when we leftists make fun of Dick Cheney and Ann Coulter, it's funny because they're horrible, despicable people.
Whereas when Conservatives make fun of Obama or Jon Stewart, it's just mean-spirited because they're nice.

Also, Liberals are normal citizens just like yourself, even if you don't agree.

o.t. - you WILL NOT believe this!

Obama Proposes New Law Prevention Detention For Future Crimes you might commit.

the fact rachel madcow is reporting it is even stranger...

Also, Liberals are normal citizens just like yourself, even if you don't agree.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 30, 2009 1:09 PM

Also, Conservatives are normal citizens just like yourself, even if you don't agree.

See how that works?

So in your mind, it's "horrible and depicable" to have a contrary opinion that exposes the hypocrisy on the leftist side. Gotcha.

And I hate to tell you this, but it's not very "nice" of your side to trash-talk or make fun of people on our side, no matter what your lame justification. So nice try on the moral outrage, but again, you're not fooling anyone but yourself.

Do you like being made fun of by our side, even though we think your side is "horrible" and "despicable"? Nope, didn't think so. Clean up your own act before you tell us how to behave.

Jay, cool to hear you're from there too. I lived about a quarter of my life there.

The tragedy of the Bay Area is that it is indeed a once-beautiful city turned into a human latrine. In fact, over 100 metric tons of human waste are cleaned off the streets annually.

As a sidenote, the monthly city check paid to homeless individuals comes to - in addition to federal welfare benefits - more than the starting pay scale of a public school teacher.

But what gets to me is the smugness. The attitude of superiority of a Bay Area resident must be seen to be believed. They marvel at their ill luck of being stuck in the same country as the rest of us ignorant, unwashed troglodytes.

When I go up there for business I have to prepare to be bathed in the light of Bay Area politics, freed from the shackles of the long-dead regime known as America.

nancz, maybe you can help me out. Why does that guy call himself Rachel? I understand why Zo does, that's his last name. But this is this guy's first name. Totally baffled.

Whereas when Conservatives make fun of Obama or Jon Stewart, it's just mean-spirited because they're nice.

Posted by: aquatarkus at September 30, 2009 1:08 PM

I doubt Obama's first political opponents, the three people he smeared out of the campaign, think he is a nice guy. I doubt the bank where he used ACORN thug tactics to extort mortgage loans to minorities unable to pay them back idolize him as you do either.

Personally I think John Stewart is not a nice guy for his behavior during the Bush administration so he could get a laugh from his audience of trained clapping seals.

I ridicule them because they are both clowns just like the public images I see from residents of Berkley. I know there are some normal people there but what other determination can a reasonable adult draw from the juvenile antics of Code Pink ?

The reason so many actors and comediennes speak for the left is because the Left in this country is a pretentious joke. The Left literally elected an actual jokester to the US Senate.

Air2Air, I go back to the era when SF was a Democratic town in the blue-collar and ethnic sense, more like Pittsburgh than Pyongyang. It was a great city before the liberal infestation metastized SF's reputation for tolerance into one of license and depravity. Does anyone think that the Italians of North Beach, or the Chinese of Chinatown, were big fans of the change?

The problem is that tolerating eccentric behavior eventually degenerated into tolerating depraved behavior, and ultimately into applauding depraved behavior, which is where we find ourselves now.

"It's really funny the way you always take the names of people and places you don't like and make them sound stupid,"

Trust me, Van Helsing can't make them any stupider sounding than they do themselves.

Well, it DOES raise the integrity of the UN a notch or two, huh?

*snicker*

What happened to the Obambi Halloween Mask thread that was up earlier?

Look how bright and shiny the hypocrisy is!!!!! Like NYC, which the right-wing never cared about until 9/11, Berkley sits atop their hitlist.

"I'm sorry, but can we vote them out of the country yet?"

"Cant we just use Beserkely to store nuclear waste or better yet as a nuclear test site?"

"Berkeley has declared itself a country, that means we can bomb the shite out of it, right? Well in theory anyway, if we had a Real American in charge."

The quoted is some rich stuff! You are ready to kill fellow Americans because you disagree with their ideology? Pathetic fucked up little neo-con christians! I am sure Jesus is with ya on that. "America, land of the free and home of the brave" or only if you if agree with Republicans? How about "America, land of the greed and home of the bigoted"?

"Left in this country is a pretentious joke. The Left literally elected an actual jokester to the US Senate."

Opie, let me me fill you in on something, that comedian has already done for "our" troops" more than the GOP did for 8 years. Those troops also, consist of conservatives,liberals, gays, women, and atheists.

Wellstoned,

You'd obviously be more at home in Cuba or Venezuela, so why not do the USA a favor and move to one of those turd-world, Marxist cesspools you admire so much? ANSWER: Because you know what messed up places they are, though you're not honest enough to admit it. You would rather stay in America (Which you hate),subvert it, undermine it, and trash it every which way you possibly can.

That's essentially what it boils down to RoLV...

Every policy that liberals want to impose in America are the exact same policies that already exist in other countries. Yet, these people seem hell-bent on altering our way of life to conform to their beliefs, even though they have the option of leaving the US of A.

They must derive some sort of pleasure out of change for the sake of change, regardless of its effects on the surrounding environment (USA as a whole, not literally the "environment").

That's why I ask every liberal I meet... "If it's so great, you're more than welcome to leave. When can I count on you to pack up and go to your already-existing socialist utopia?"

Same thing goes for global warming. They blame humanity for it, want to curb populations (terminating the old, abortions, ration food supplies by man-made droughts)... yet NONE of them will take that giant leap "for the betterment of society." Until they can live up to their words and be the first to lead the way, I will never take their words for anything beyond mindless rhetoric.

Refuter, give me a break. Because I disagree with conservatives? Think both Republican and Democratic policies have led to some pretty bad things? Or is that single payer health care I believe we could use? It's probably that I am a Maple Leafs fan,right?

You Republican voters are too much like your like party. For the last 8 years liberals were told "YOU ARE ANTI-American!!!" because we questioned Bush's policies, while you were patriots. It is the Hypocrisy Driven Chorale!

Back, guys. Had to have some emergency surgery (appendicitis) which had complications.

Hope all is well you right thinking folks.

SK, nice to have you back.

You too Goatse. I'd rather insult an American communist than a Russian or Venzuelan commie.

Wellstoned-

It's your relentless support for policies that are demonstrably harmful to society. That, and the fact that you show disdain for this country in nearly every post here. You don't love America as it exists. Like ALL American Leftists, you love the Marxist America that you wish to see the real America become.

Yes, it pretty much IS that single payer plan you want to force on us. You want to live under that? Go do so. Who's stopping you? Think there are others that should live under it? Take some with you. Why is it so important to you to force it on the rest of us? Those of us who recognise what we have to be demonstrably far superior, except for the extent that government has already corrupted it, and don't want government to subsume the rest of it.

To all you really smart libs who have taken the time to post.

“Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it”
Thomas Sowell

Now's the part where you..well...ignore or evade it.
Right smart guy?

Evil, the emergency room is not health care, and kowtowing to insurance companies could soon be a pre-existing condition. I am sorry "option" is not in your dictionary. But, I have to repeat, you, Helsing and others parrot this nonsense that "a government option won't work and then it will be so good it will put insurance companies out of business". Make up your mind! And you wonder why you are called hypocrites? We have had death panels for years, they are called insurance companies, not the Bush or Obama, unless they send you off to a foolish war.

As for Fletch, you need to do a bit better than Sowell, who's column I read in the Detroit News. His so called record of "so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it” is funny, yet is wrong. Even socialized countries who have elected and re-elected conservative leaders continue to cling to their health care, schools and free college.

Wellstone, 1st, you don't know me. 2nd, I DID in fact give a shit about NYC, especially since I have family there. I like the city despite it's retarded laws. The people there take some getting used to for a small town man, but I still adore the architecture, shows, landmarks, museums, nightlife and shopping.

I suggested having them just leave America based on how far out of touch they are culturally, ideologically and legally with the rest of this fine nation. I suggest something along the line of Vatican City. It's own micro-nation.

Much love!

Where did you get the idea that I think it would put insurance companies out of business because it would be so good? As usual parroting your leftard talking points. It will put insurance companies out of business by choking them between impossible requirements and an infinite supply of our money.

Why are there more MRI machines in Philadelphia than in Canada? Why? Ponder the question at all? It's because there's a profit to be made from having one, if you're allowed to use it. Nobody pays for their own MRI, I had one this summer. Insurance pays for it. You would have people think insurance companies deny every claim, but they're paying out hella money for MRI's just for an example. If I lived in Canada, the MRI I had this summer would be coming up next year sometime. That's demonstrably inferior, and it's not like I have some kind of gold-plated insurance policy.

Tort reform and interstate insurance companies, to start. Get the government away from what's left, aside from standardization and safety regulations. My mind is quite made up and entirely consistent.

Yes, socialism is a blatant failure, but what you see is not its success, merely the difficulty of getting an entitlement loose from people once they think they deserve it. If we enact this retarded single payer scheme, it'll be hell to pay trying to break loose of it once we see what a disaster it is.

Paul, my apologies on the generalization. Hope you family is and was fine. That said, if San Fran or Berkley or even Detroit were attacked, they would become "Patriotism" central for the neo-cons, the same cities you now regard as "un-American". NYC falls into that same category for many. Further, myslef, I have never advocated for the secession or death of anyone who's ideology differs from my own. I would need more distance between a handful of my own family and some friends.

Evil, "parrot talking points" much? Elective surgery is what has long waits in Canada, not necessities, ie; implants, plastic surgery etc. Sorry the MRI didn't figure out what was wrong with you...cheap shot, my apologies. I do not wish you harm and illness.

"Where did you get the idea that I think it would put insurance companies out of business because it would be so good? " I actually got that from Chuck Grassley who stated this on the floor. Fox News Bunnies have Parroted it, as well Beck and Hannity. Continuing to allow insurance companies to deny claims based on typos, acne, or a 30 year old bike accident is not helpful to you,me or any of us. For those that go w/o insurance costs every household nearly $1100 a year in premiums, as noted by Rep. Grayson nearly 48,000 people die for little or no care a year. The GOP and Democrats both have a hand in this bs. It is not representing the people, it is representing the corporations. Yet, while all of you argue about "freedom", you never note that SCOTUS gave and continues to give corporations like CIGNA the same protected rights as you and me. There is the fraction of Ron Paul in me.

Ghost,

Read Mr. Evuilwrench, then I'm sure you'll continue to ignore or evade. After all you are an "intellectual".

Here's another one for ya, you don't seem to jibe with Sowell, this is Mr. Jefferson...
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

But I'm sure you have a long winded reply of prose for that as well.

Ghost of Wellstone does it's best to ignore the legion of horror stories for Canada and the UK as well as other socialist utopias. It doesn't fit the story line.

As to helping the troops. I'd like to hear that list. For instance, right now they badly need reinforcements in Afghanistan and Barry is voting Not Present while the troops are dying. Fact: one third of all Afghanistan casualties have occured in 8 months of His Reign. Please don't help them any more. It starts looking more and more like Viet Nam every day.

Ghost, wake the F up. By the time the Dems get done with "heath care reform", you can bet your last dollar that:

- the insurance companies will walk away with MORE profit than ever before. Much more.

- Unions and all the other related entities that have spent 30-40 years figuring out how to game the system will, as well, walk away with tens of billions in newfound windfall

- Old people will get their benefits cut, and young people will pay up for service they don't want

- Taxpayers will pay and pay and pay and pay, and no one will know where the money has gone, just like with the stimulus package. But basically, it will go to armies of consultants billing the government $150 an hour for new college grads to build new computer systems and all the other detritus of government agency expansion

- At the end of this whole shebang, you, I, and everyone else will get worse care at a much higher cost

To deny any of the above is both to live in an illusion and to not have seen what has been going on for the past 40 years.

They need to kill this entire health care reform fiasco. What needs to be done could easily be summarized on one page, not 1030 pages. Tort reform, interstate competition, and slimmed down rules preventing insurances companies from kicking out customers or denying coverage for pre-existing conditions. There, one paragraph, all done.

Well said Chuck. I also seem to recall Obama stating that he already had a plan for Afghanistan while he was stumping. Hmmmmm...where is that plan?
Oh, he left it over the pond he's on his way to pick it up I'm sure of it.

Fletch, in case you did not notice...shhh! Jefferson was liberal.

He is absolutely correct. However, when government grants corporations the same protections that you and I share, all bets are off. Succumbing to a paranoia that the government wants to take over your life is pointless. A rising of the people has been demonstrated by protests for decades, as recent as the teabaggers or war protesters a few years back. That said, under the guise of "capitalism", conservatives and liberals allowed our representation to be bought and paid for by "corporations".

Chuck, talk about dreamland! I happen to disagree with Obama on Afghanistan. This was Bush's mistake made worse by Obama, so who do we blame? The aforementioned "comedian" I figured was Al Franken, who logged more time than any with the USO, has proposed bills helping veterans families, and passed a bill for service dogs, which is why he garnered more military votes than Coleman. I don't know if ACORN was in the barracks or not?

Whore.

Ghost, Ghost, Ghost,

So he was correct....but. That's your argument? So when he said this...
"Do not bite at the bait of pleasure, till you know there is no hook beneath it."
or....
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
and finally..
"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend."
Thomas Jefferson
We may not be "friends", but we are countrymen, not comrades.

Franken is a klebba. You, on the other hand, are a franken. As a dog owner and lover, I shovel both klebbas and frankens off my lawn.

Posted by: Goatse O'Wellstoned McMonkeyshines at September 30, 2009 9:01 PM- "...Jefferson was liberal."

Goatse, he wasn't a marxist socialist communist. You are. The Chocolate Chairman is. All of your fellow ass-blasters in the "progressive" alliance with the International are also. I know you know the difference between 18th century liberal (if indeed that is what Jefferson was). You know that I know that you know. That s*** won't fly, Goatse. "Liberal" today, is merely a euphemism for socialist. Unless you are a pathetic little marxist dilettante, you know this. Is that what you are? A wannabe? A tourist in the gaylord, public dunny, socialist scene?

You ponce.

He is absolutely correct. However, when government grants corporations the same protections that you and I share, all bets are off. Succumbing to a paranoia that the government wants to take over your life is pointless. A rising of the people has been demonstrated by protests for decades, as recent as the teabaggers or war protesters a few years back. That said, under the guise of "capitalism", conservatives and liberals allowed our representation to be bought and paid for by "corporations".

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at September 30, 2009 9:01 PM

Hey, I'm raising kids in the (south) Bay Area!

The South Bay is great area to raise kids. I grew up in San Fran @ about the same time you did and I currently live in the Bay Area peninsula. Cupertino and Saratoga are awesome areas that come to mind.

Please don't leave! There has to be at least a remnant of the vocal political minority.

It used to be so nice here when I grew up in the 70's/80's, but now I can't stand going into the Shitty by the Bay!

1 day adventures is about all I can stand. Great to have access to the city w/out having to live there. My father and brother still live there. You have to detonate TNT under 'em to get them to leave the city. Metropolitans through and through.

I'd move to Az, Tx or Tn if I could convince Mr. LittleMissPerfect to leave.

I am so spoiled by this climate... I have fog running in my veins and I'm not happy unless there is only 20ft visibility and it's >58 degrees when I'm venturing "in town". I'd melt in those states. I think I share your hubby's stubbornness.

Goatse has never actually read anything by Jefferson. It's more a case of projection... This is as deep as his thought goes: "Jefferson was a good, smart guy. I am a good smart guy. Thus Jefferson and I must agree politically."

And that's it.

Goatse, let me 'splain this to you. AGAIN. Jefferson was almost fanatically against a large federal government and favored state's rights. He wouldn't just be disgusted at the current crop of statist losers (both Democrat and Republican) we have in Washington right now... he'd be wondering why we haven't rebelled already. The closest modern political movement to Jefferson is libertarianism.

But I've said that before, and you ignored it because it was, well, an inconvenient truth. The Founders would be disgusted with modern liberals like you, Goatse, and your oppressive nanny state.

But hey, let's read what Tom thought.
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“A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.”

“Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition.”

“I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.”

“Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence.”

“I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.”

“My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.”

Now crawl back under your rock, Goatse.

The present evils of America acc to Goatse:
1. Corporations have the same rights we have. Sorry, but a corporation is a business entity that is nominally a person in its own right to protect the people working there from personal liability. Sonya Sotamayor has already advanced the argument that corporations shouldn't have the right to free speech, so don't worry, Comrade Obama is on the job.
2. We kowtow to insurance companies. I'm not sure who you mean by "we" but insurance is a CONTRACT with the insurance company. If YOU would read your policy, you would notice what is and is not covered before you are denied care. It's called being a responsible consumer.

While I applaud anything to help America's military families, I once again say:

Show me the help to the troops.... the troops, not some peripheral matter.

The guys are getting their asses shot up in Afgoofyland while Barry is trying to out-bribe others at the IOC. He's just now considering the strategy in Afghanistan?? How the hell did he pick his general...?? used a Magic 8-Ball?? The theater general IS the strategy. When he tells you he needs something it's to support the strategy you hired him to execute. Get it done. Duh!

This is the same political 'support' we got in Viet Nam - confused, incompetent, and destined to lose.

Tommy J. a Liberal?!? LOL LOL

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-- Thomas Jefferson

"As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives [only] moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."
--Thomas Jefferson

I could go on. Doesn't sound like anything today's Liberals would say.

Jefferson would abhor the ideas and actions of today's Liberals (aka Progressives).

"The trouble with socialism is that you run out of other people's money to spend."

-Margaret Thatcher

The homeless in that place old berkeley appear to be running that place. by the way berkeley is torture.