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A radio station in DC once offered a T-Shirt to the listener who had had the most abortions.

This is why I don't buy the liberal bullsh-t that "no one is really pro-abortion."

Why doesnt this kook abort herself and stop spewing carbon out her blow hole?

What I hate is that pseudo-intellectualism which makes out that this kind of book is somehow 'courageous' and elevated thinking.

No it isn't, it's evidence of a society gone completely sick. Abortion is an evil, death creating, money making, women damaging, men hurting blot on society. You don't write books on such a subject that don't acknowledge the moral question as the highest issue first.

Vilar attended boarding school in New Hampshire and was just 15 when she left for Syracuse University, where she fell in love and later married her first husband, a tyrannical 50-year-old professor with a predilection for young women, he bragged that his relationships had never lasted more than five years and that having children killed sexual desire.

Ah, molested by a university professor who probably despises all the sexual hangups of the bourgeois middle class.

Naturally, there is a Carter connection:

She grew up in the shadow of her notorious grandmother Puerto Rican nationalist Lolita Lebron, who stormed the Capitol steps with a gun in 1954. Lebron served 25 years in jail for the crime until receiving a pardon from President Carter in 1979.

Jimmy always did love left-wing terrorists.

Taking this report at face value, Ms. Vilar obviously has problems. The word "vascectomy" seems to have not entered her husband's vocabulary as well.

That said, I can't help but note that you have no problem labelling a woman who chooses abortion as a "killer".

Does that label apply to all women who chose abortion?

If so, would you prefer that the laws be changed so that abortionists and the women who hire them would then be charged with murder?

Yet another dumbass that's never heard of contraceptives. She's not misunderstood,she's a fucking idiot.

Laos. Rape, incest and mother's health account for .04% of all abortions. What you fail to understand is the left's love of not taking responsibilty for one's actions.

if so, would you prefer that the laws be changed so that abortionists and the women who hire them would then be charged with murder?
Posted by: Lao at September 22, 2009 8:13 AM

i would prefer each state having its own laws pertaining to abortion.

Yes Lao, an abortion is murder. A woman who had 15 knows what she is doing and uses it as a contraceptive. So knowingly doing it 15 times and having no problems with it is definately amoral.

Does that label apply to all women who chose abortion?

Yes, Lao, it does, though we usually like to prefix it with "baby" like this: BABY KILLER.

If so, would you prefer that the laws be changed so that abortionists and the women who hire them would then be charged with murder?

I would in all cases except for one: When the life of the Mother is at risk. Then, it becomes a triage case and you save the life you can.

Even in the case of rape and incest, that's still an innocent child growing in the mother.

What the left doesn't tell you is how many women who were rape victims who kept the child ended up being healed by giving birth. After all, it's not the child's fault their father was a rapist.

Abortion is a quick and dirty way to avoid having one's lifestyle temporarily inconvenienced by another human being... by killing it.

The left makes it all about "Choice for women" Yet there is plenty of choice. The difference here is that what they want as choice is "I want an off switch on my pregnancy whenever I want it".

Lao:

If so, would you prefer that the laws be changed so that abortionists and the women who hire them would then be charged with murder?

Abortionists: yes
Women: depends on why they sought an abortion: rape, incest, life of mother in eminent danger: no; otherwise, yes.

From my experience, most women who seek an abortion do so because the prospect of the time, energy, and lifestyle changes required in raising a child is overwhelming to them. When it is mentioned that they could have the child and give it up for adoption, their response is usually one of two nonsensical statements:

"I couldn't have a baby then give it up." [Oh, so it should be killed?]

"I'm afraid it wouldn't go to a good home (or any home at all). I don't want a child to have a bad life. [So they decide to give it no life at all]

Conjuring up hordes of "unwanted" or "unadopted" child has been a staple of arguments for abortion for 30+ years now. My response is "So a dead child is better?"

The idea that the life of an "unwanted" or "unadopted" child's life is not worth living would be a great surprise to the man who adopted both my sister and I. He himself was both unwanted and unadopted, and he bounced from orphanage to institution to foster home in the '20s and '30s Bronx, until he enlisted in the Army in summer of '41. As a member of the 1st Infantry Division, he won the Silver Star and the Bronze Star, and was awarded 2 Purple Hearts. After the war, he married, was a chief warrant officer in the Army, eventually adopted two kids when he was 46 (me from an orphanage, my sis when she was 2 days old), raised a family, saw his daughter get her Masters from Catholic U. in DC, and saw his son (me) go to Notre Dame, fulfilling both his and his son's lifelong dream (he died my sophomore year). So many people showed up at "Big John"'s funeral that they actually had two of them. He is buried in Arlington National Cemetery.

Now, go ahead and tell me that the life of an "unwanted" or "unadopted" child is not worth living or will be a detriment to society.

Good story Geronimo Rumpelstiltskin. There is no such thing as an unwanted child, there are just children who aren't in the place where they are wanted.

Women could be charged with Solicitation to Commit Murder. Sort of the way a mobster can be tried for hiring an assassin to rub out a rival. Basically women hire hit men to murder their babies.

Why doesn't she retroactivley abort herself if she enjoys it so much. There is NO good reason to commit abortion.

What goes around, comes around whether you call it 'karma' or 'judgement'. This woman has alot to look forward to in her next life.

Following along from my previous queries, do you believe the murder of Dr. Tiller should be ruled as a justifiable homicide?

Do you believe that the murder of a woman who procured an abortion for herself should be ruled as a justifiable homicide?

Actually, given paternity tests, the father should also be involved in criminal investigations. Maybe this will stop them being so reckless with sex.

Lao, Tiller, Red Herring.

Those incidents should only be judged as justifiable homicide if they meet the legal definition for justifiable homicides in the jurisdictions in which they occurred.

Ultimately, everybody is going to be judged by a Higher Authority for their actions in life. But as for what justice people receive on Earth, that's up to the written law and its application.

Human sacrifice is "alive" and well, and practised in progressive, western civilisations... apparently.

Killing them makes the liberal agenda all the more powerful.

Choice? Or killing living humans?

A mother of 15 dead babies... why, she's a hero!

Following along from my previous queries, do you believe the murder of Dr. Tiller should be ruled as a justifiable homicide?

Ah, the old liberal "right wing crazies want to kill abortionists" canard. Nice try at a troll, Lao.

To answer your question: No, it was not a justifiable homicide. Tiller deserved a trial by jury, like any other murderer.

Do you believe that the murder of a woman who procured an abortion for herself should be ruled as a justifiable homicide?

Again: All murderers deserve a trial by jury.

Now go troll somewhere else.

Lao:

Following along from my previous queries, do you believe the murder of Dr. Tiller should be ruled as a justifiable homicide?

No. Dr. Tiller was not in the act of committing lethal harm to the fellow that shot him.

Do you believe that the murder of a woman who procured an abortion for herself should be ruled as a justifiable homicide?

Again, no. This woman was not in the act of committing lethal harm to the person that killed her.

If either Tiller or the woman were in the act of committing an abortion (and abortion was rightfully and lawfully considered murder), and I fatally attacked either of them, I would be guilty of murder, as I could have just as easily used non-lethal force to cease the act of abortion.

Do you actually understand the law, or are you just trying to trap someone here into making a faulty argument?

Do you actually understand the law, or are you just trying to trap someone here into making a faulty argument?

He's presenting an argument that the puny minds of the liberal hive have deemed as clever. In fact, it's weak.

He's presenting an argument that the puny minds of the liberal hive have deemed as clever. In fact, it's weak.

Up next he'll trot out the old "but how can you be for the death penalty then!" bit.

(Never mind the HUGE difference between an arrested, tried, and convicted felon and an innocent child).

I'm just curious where people here stand on this stuff which is why I asked the questions. There has been a range of opinion as I expected.

I have no intention of confronting anyone re their opinions on the questions I posed. I'm pro-choice on abortion, but choosing to have and raise a child or choosing adoption is fine by me. I have kids of my own.

This is so messed up I don't know where to begin. What is wrong with using conventional contraception? If you are so anti-baby, why not have your tubes tied? What part of your life tells you that not only is abortion such a great idea that you had 15 of them, but that you would write a book about it and tell the world? Lord love a duck!

The crux of the issue: there are too damn many people around.

Every middle manager, and pointless 'marketing' job, and literally MILLIONS of others are superfluous, designed specifically as a pace to put all the (mostly useless) people in the world.

Abortion is an excellent start. And a nice 0 population growth (mandated by a One-World-Government) would be even better.

China got it right, and their massive pop. will start declining soon. Which will help them in their next generation's plans to whip America's economic ass.

You heard it here first.

If this is true, what an evil bitch. As the dad of two adopted kids, one grown, one teenaged, I know couples that would sell their souls for this kind of fertility. What a waste of life! I don't want to be standing anywhere close to her on Judgement Day.

Heard, the chinese are going to have a bitch of a time reproducing when the government makes women abort the female babies. As I'm sure that you have first hand knowledge in this then you would know that 2 men can't make a baby.

The crux of the issue: there are too damn many people around.

And you'll be offing yourself when? Or, are you just a hypocrite?

I was just a little sick, brr-pp.
I hope I never have to see that sicko's face ever again.

You can call it what you like abortion, end of life counseling, euthanasia or whatever else but its real only one word MURDER!!!!!

Where's so-stoned telling us how empowering abortion is? Klebba?Klebba?

Why doesn't she get her uterus removed? Save her som e time.

Great story, Geronimo. I salute your Dad.

This reminds me of that extremely offensive T-shirt, saying "Save the Planet. Abort your baby." I really don't know what I would do if I saw someone walking around with that on.

Get the book "What happened to Notre Dame?"

And click on the link below.

Reading some of the comments here.

Fuck, thank God Im not a liberal. Or to be kind, at least not a nihilist.

This lass, she does need treatment. Preferably a non reversible vascectomy.

She's addicted to murdering her own children. I wouldn't touch her with a 20 foot cattle prod, but in spite of being a vile murdering slut, there's still some equally diseased guy out there that will screw her. Some people are just plain evil and she's one of them.

Was reading another moonbat page today and the host described the mass of cells early on as not remotely comparable to a viable fetus. This implies there is a nano of time where the cells become a viable fetus. Of course, he could define when that was.

The most sickening part about this is the Liberal spin, saying she has courage. That's just liberal talk for living a complete irresponsible life, with no regards to anything but one's own comfort.

The way the left see it...seriously.

Sick Azz People (if you really wish to insult the term).

MY MY MY.....I'll bet that coochie is worn out with all that killin' and stuff.

Must be Wellstone's gal.

As horrific as her actions are, there were some very interesting aspects to her story that the liberal media doesn't seem very interested in covering. For example, according to her story, about 37 percent of the Puerto Rican women of child bearing age were given hysterectomies. Her mother killed herself when she was eight purportedly because they removed her ovaries and did not give her any hormone treatment. How much do you want to bet Planned Parenthood played a role in that little adventure?

Liberals will applaud her "courage" for writing a book about her "choices", but they are sickened & angered by people like the Duggar Family who choose not to use birth control and have lots of kids.

I'm sure her book will celebrated as "ground-breaking" and "courageous". But it'll sell about 8 copies. Meanwhile, Levin's "Liberty and Tyranny" gets 0 press and has already sold over 1 million.

Actions such as this would be held up as model citizenship by Obama, who wouldn't even support a bill requiring life-saving medical care for babes born after failed abortions.

Be prepared to see this (strikingly attractive though utterly amoral) gal's face as a bizaro poster child for the pro-abortion movement, even as their numbers dwindle.

This is why I finally gave up on american and western skanks. I can't stand the self centered narassistic and irresponsible attitude these skanks have. Let them bang drug addicts, ex-cons and violent douchebags. When they have there "choice" of an abortion just consider it a trophy of skankdom that these skanks carry around with pride it would seem to there own irresponsible self centeredness.

Actions such as this would be held up as model citizenship by Obama, who wouldn't even support a bill requiring life-saving medical care for babes born after failed abortions.

Be prepared to see this (strikingly attractive though utterly amoral) gal's face as a bizaro poster child for the pro-abortion movement, even as their numbers dwindle.

Posted by: The MaryHunter at September 22, 2009 2:55 PM

She's not attractive at all, she's got a turkey neck, she looks about 35 and past the sell date. If She has a husband yet aborts child after child, what is he, a mangina? Has he no courage of his own to divorce that harridan and move on with his life before that harpy consumes it all with her self-centered life style. Or is she screwing every lifeform with a penis and covering up her infidelity? And he doesn't have the courage to confront and divorce.

Posted by: Moonbat SkullCracker at September 22, 2009 3:21 PM

Precisely why I choose to be single.

This is one crazy beast.

I'm with you SkullCracker, she's one ugly leftist HO!

She's actually 40 years old, and what I find fascinating is that she appeared to be having the abortions to keep her pig-husband happy. Yeah, that's a real feminist for you, just like Steinem, a pathetic, needy, twit of a woman.

But I do feel bad that she's all screwed up in the head, and perhaps she's not 100% culpable for her actions because she's half nuts. I just wish to God that these nutty broads didn't hurt innocent children with their reckless behavior.

No one who is alive should be pro-abortion. I hope you can appreciate the logic of this statement.

Oldguy,

That's essentially what this all boils down to. Unfortunately, "liberal" and "logic" never belong in the same sentence, except when highlighting the lack of logic in liberal beliefs.

This alleged Woman is a BABY BUTCHER.

One word of advice for this chick: KEEP IT ZIPPED!

"Poor victim" is right. If she is "addicted", then she should be pitied and have her virtues extolled so she has a better self-image. (yeah, right)

Ok. So, we've established that this person is whacked. Truly whacked. Too bad her mother didn't opt for this "solution".

So, if she is allowed to continue with this killing -- as all abortions truly are, like it or not -- then why is someone who kills a pregnant woman charged with 2 counts of murder? Is this killing not "murder" because the "Mother" herself is doing the killing? Or does that term only apply if she has the baby first, then drowns it in the bathtub?

From http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/nov/08112703.html:
In the Texas Penal Code, as the court noted, “‘Person’ means an individual," and "individual" may refer to “an unborn child at every stage of gestation from fertilization until birth”; and “‘death’ includes, for an individual who is an unborn child, the failure to be born alive.” ...but the court noted that earlier legislation had already "narrowed the class of murderers who may be charged by specifically excluding 'conduct committed by the mother of an unborn child' and 'a lawful medical procedure performed by a physician ... with the requisite consent, if the death of the unborn child was the intended result of the procedure.'"

Texas ALMOST had it right.

Or how about this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x424688:
.... a mother accused of killing her fetus by ignoring medical advice to undergo a Caesarean section pleaded not guilty Monday, while critics said allegations of Melissa Ann Rowland's drug use and vanity did not justify a murder charge... Rowland's attorney on a separate felony charge of child endangerment, may take the murder case.

This world is going to hell on a greased slide.

""In school and on TV, every message I get is what I am doing as a mother or wife is wrong," said Vilar. "I should be thinking about a profession and not mothering. Everyone is having babies, and yet they don't want to care for them.

"Are many of the repeat abortions in part an embodiment of this mixed message? A lost, ambivalent attempt at an act of agency that cannot find its proper vessel? ""

She may be on to something with this glimmer of insight. Motherhood is not respected as it should be as the noblest vocation. One wonders if changing that attitude might not change the abortion mentality?

Fucking animal. "dark choices", wtf ABC? I thought it's God given sacred right or something.

"then why is someone who kills a pregnant woman charged with 2 counts of murder"

Truly bizzare.

It never ceases to amaze me how the intellectual elites raise broken and dysfunctional women as heroines. Vilar is one of a long line of such women, ranging from Simone De Beauvior, Frieda Kahlo, Gloria Steinem, etc. They were all debased in the most hideous ways by the men in their lives, suffering all sorts of indignities that "less enlightened" women would not put up with, and yet they portray them as role models for women. "Heal thyselves," you nutty broads.

Precisely why I choose to be single.

This is one crazy beast.

I'm with you SkullCracker, she's one ugly leftist HO!

Posted by: Dave at September 22, 2009 3:52 PM

I thank goodness that no skank ever got her claws into me. I ended up marrying a foreign woman two years ago and it took me 18 months to get her into this country. I can say this much, i've seen my fill of women in the area I live in. They are either sleazing it up with meth and crack heads or dating other women. In any event, I am glad they never got there claws into me. I doubt I could take the nonsense that seems to drive such behavior. Abortion is just one issue that stands out but a good look at the mentally of todays leftist woman, well. I think what I have just pointed out paints a pretty bleak picture.