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August 17, 2009

Silencing Talk Radio in the Name of Diversity

The Orwellian Fairness Doctrine is behind us for good; too many realize that stifling political dissent on the airwaves is anything but fair. But that doesn't mean our moonbat rulers have suddenly acquired respect for freedom of speech. As with many of our liberties, the First Amendment will now be attacked under the banner of diversity:

Mark Lloyd, newly appointed Chief Diversity Officer of the Federal Communications Commission, has called for making private broadcasting companies pay licensing fees equal to their total operating costs to allow public broadcasting outlets to spend the same on their operations as the private companies do.

Private companies need to make profits. Therefore they will carry programming people want to hear: Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, etc. In addition to economically breaking the kneecaps of these companies, Lloyd wants to funnel their money into public broadcasting, which is financed coercively and therefore couldn't care less what people want to hear.

Like all liberal bureaucrats, Lloyd is as authoritarian as he is greedy:

"Federal and regional broadcast operations and local stations should be funded at levels commensurate with or above those spending levels at which commercial operations are funded," Lloyd wrote. "This funding should come from license fees charged to commercial broadcasters. Funding should not come from congressional appropriations. Sponsorship should be prohibited at all public broadcasters."

Along with this money, Lloyd would regulate much of the programming on these stations to make sure they focused on "diverse views" and government activities.

"Diverse views" refers to the entire spectrum from left-wing propaganda to more left-wing propaganda. How many El Rushbos has NPR produced?

In addition to "diversity," tyrannical bureaucrats will also use "localism" to stifle speech that undermines their rule.

"Local public broadcasters and regional and national communications operations should be required to encourage and broadcast diverse views and programs," wrote Lloyd. "These programs should include coverage of all local, state and federal government meetings, as well as daily news and public issues programming."

Don't live in South Florida? Then Rush isn't local. You get to listen to the local water board meeting instead.

Lloyd also believes in diversity of ownership, which would mean denying broadcast licenses to Caucasians based on their race.

Once we allow government to become massively too large, it's only a matter of time before the wrong people get behind the wheel and steer our republic over the cliff into totalitarianism. This is happening before our eyes.

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Lloyd wants conservatives silenced in the name of "diversity."

On tips from Puffdaddy and AmericanToTheCore.

Posted by Van Helsing at August 17, 2009 7:09 AM

Comments

"Healthcare for America Now" (Richard Kirsch) is advising members of congress how to "provide cover" at townhall meetings and how to keep the opposition out. WHO is the astroturf!?

Posted by: TED at August 17, 2009 7:19 AM

This clown looks like a Klingon - look at his forehead.

Posted by: Ghost of Kahless at August 17, 2009 7:34 AM

It's the same old crap - loudmouth political minorities (read: lefties) can't sell their rotten fish in the marketplace of ideas so they get government to coerce people to listen by first picking their pockets to finance it.

Asshats.

Posted by: chuck in st paul at August 17, 2009 7:40 AM

What IS that thing on his forehead, it looks like a 3rd eye or something. Or did someone just whack him across the forehead with a Louisville Slugger? Maybe thats what gave him brain damage.

Posted by: Ghost of Mary Jo Kopechne at August 17, 2009 7:52 AM

Yeah, its a third eye. And its blind.

Posted by: Third Eye Blind at August 17, 2009 7:56 AM

It's kinda funny if you look at outside facts. The majority of radio stations (nationwide), are OWNED by minorities and they get LESS viewers combined.

So, instead of actually having programming that people actually want to listen to, they'd rather FORCE conservative political talk radio to pay for the shitty programming on liberal talk radio.

I don't think they understand the concept of reaching viewers. If you have a good product, it will sell itself.

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at August 17, 2009 7:59 AM

Oh they understand the concept, and they know we know how to do it. That's what's threatening to them; they're afraid of ideas other than their own being heard because they're, well, right, and you can't have the voters thinking clearly when you're pushing a destructive agenda.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at August 17, 2009 8:17 AM

I guess this means that we will be seeing "guest commentary" from Hannity, Levin, Savage, Limbaugh, et al. on NBC, CBS, ABC, NPR, etc?

Right?

Posted by: Anonymous at August 17, 2009 8:17 AM

The bump on his head you ask?

It's Kuato from Total Recall.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 17, 2009 8:19 AM

This is the problem with large, powerful government. I hope those on the right, who might have fallen off the wagon of clear principles over the last decade, keep this lesson in mind next time around. Once the machinery is put in place, it can be used by whoever's in charge. So the next time sane people are in charge of the government, the imperative is to dismantle huge chunks of government, so that the machinery is not there the next time the children take over. Starting with the FCC - that should be eliminated entirely.

Posted by: mega at August 17, 2009 8:20 AM

This is what happens when election after election we are forced to vote, "for the lessor of two evils," inexorably the political spectrum slides further and further toward "evil."

As we the people push the tide of socialism back, let the GOP take heed, we are not "yours" and if you do not grow some backbone, rid yourselves of compromising vermin like McCain and Lindsey, we will never, ever, be "yours" again.

The line has been drawn, you are either with the people or you are with the socialists/statists, there is no room for "big tent" fence sitters or those who think they have to compromise principles to save principles.

Just my opinion of course.

Posted by: JustAl at August 17, 2009 8:30 AM

Leftists prove once again that their wacko philosophies are incapable of withstanding debate.

Posted by: J at August 17, 2009 8:34 AM

chuck in st paul,

Agreed, and this is why a consumer boycott won't be enough to sink the Marxstream Media--their master in the White House will bail them out.

Vigilance for the Internet, the last bastion of freedom of ideas, is now top priority. If the Marxists block the Internet, 1984 will truly, irrevocably have come to pass.

Ghost of Mary Jo Kopechne,

What IS that thing on his forehead, it looks like a 3rd eye or something.

Last I saw something like this, it was a video of Al Qaeda's #2 (or #1, if ol' Osama's already announced his candidacy for Hidden Imam), Ayman Al Zawahri. In his case, it was for taking the Islamic duty of heads-down, butt-up very seriously.

Posted by: Conservigilant at August 17, 2009 8:35 AM

Look at the verbs, the operative words in his quotes:

making

prohibited

regulate

required

Pretty much says it all.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 8:38 AM

"Federal and regional broadcast operations and local stations should be funded at levels commensurate with or above those spending levels at which commercial operations are funded," Lloyd wrote. "

Uh...why?

More to the point, why does the Federal government even have any broadcast stations?

This funding should come from license fees charged to commercial broadcasters.

No, it should come out of the budget of the Ministry of Truth.

Along with this money, Lloyd would regulate much of the programming on these stations to make sure they focused on "diverse views" and government activities.

Has it occurred to this blockhead that at some point – probably 2012, on current running - the government will be back in American hands? Will he then want the government to have a large organization to broadcast its "activities?"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 8:44 AM

WTF do we need public radio and TV for anyway? There are 500 channels with every conceivable theme and subject there is. Who needs 'public' broadcasting at all?
I'm sick and fuckin' tired of hearing/seeing how we killed all the poor Indians, enslaved all the blacks, cheated and overworked all the immigrants. That's pretty much the focus of most of what there is on PTV and I'm sure NPR is no different.
The part that pisses me off is that I have to pay for it! If rich folks want to see opera or watch Bill Moyers put it on a commercial channel and have somebody else pay for it. See how long that lasts!
They have commercials just like the rest of TV programming as well; I consider running through every one of their contributing foundations as commercials.

Posted by: Shooter1001 at August 17, 2009 8:45 AM

The Next Bailout: Faltering Minority Radio Broadcasters

It's an older article but it supports the founding of this Diversity Czar bullshit.

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at August 17, 2009 8:47 AM

These libtards can't HONESTLY believe that by "stealing from conservative radio" that the funds will magically reward their liberal garbage stations with higher viewership numbers... can they?

You can't fix stupidity.

More proof that liberalism is a mental disorder, curable only by death.

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at August 17, 2009 8:51 AM

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at August 17, 2009 8:55 AM

AmericanToTheCore,

These libtards can't HONESTLY believe that by "stealing from conservative radio" that the funds will magically reward their liberal garbage stations with higher viewership numbers... can they?

No. They believe conservative radio should not exist at all.

You can't fix stupidity.

I'm a bit more worried about evil.

Posted by: Conservigilant at August 17, 2009 8:55 AM

CoC Claims Aventis, Radio Shack, ConAgra Pull Ads


Also Claims Roche Has Pulled Ads, but company has not confirmed


"Black nationalist" bloggers and Obama advisors "Color of Change" have released a statement claiming that Sanofi-Aventis, maker of Plavix, ConAgra, makers of Healthy Choice (and many other brands), RadioShack and Roche, makers of AccuCheck Aviva, have all withdrawn their advertising from the Glenn Beck Program on Fox News Channel.


FIGHT BACK! Defend Glenn

Posted by: TED at August 17, 2009 9:05 AM

Its simply the 'Fairness' law by directly using $$$ instead of forcing 'government' programming and thereby causing broadcasters to fail since nobody will watch/listen to Bill Moyers for 12 hours a day.

Same for health care, just a redistribution of HC from seniors (Reduce Medicare $$$) to illegal aliens and those who won't or can't pay for their own insurance.

Posted by: Shooter1001 at August 17, 2009 9:05 AM

FYI - don't think the Whitehouse is behind this!??


Glenn Beck fans are fighting back against a campaign led by a black activist organization prompting major advertisers to withdraw from Beck's top-rated Fox News Channel program.


Last week, NewsBusters reported President Obama's "green jobs czar," Van Jones, is co-founder of ColorofChange.org, an activist organization that has led a furious campaign against Beck culminating in major companies such as Geico and Lawyers.com pulling their spots from the Fox News star's daily show.


In recent weeks, Beck has done several critical segments about Van Jones, who was appointed as the special adviser for green jobs, enterprise and innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality.


Beck's segments were based in part on WND's reporting that Jones was as an admitted radical communist and black nationalist leader.

Posted by: TED at August 17, 2009 9:10 AM

I support anything that will provide additional information to those for whom Rush et al represents their only information source. The ultra-conservative arm of the GOP rules the AM talk radio sphere, and always has (something about radio makes the luddites happy, I guess), but the problem becomes that those people actually think that the info coming from the radio contains 'facts'.

How delightful would it be to have an option on the radio that actually recognizes that there are no 'death panels'? That acknowledges that there is in fact a fiscally conservative reason to provide healthcare to everyone? And more than that, it would be great to have less vitriolic voices just in general. Working the sheeple into a frenzy over false information is counterproductive to this society we all live in.

Although I am SUPER anti-FCC and in fact agree more than usual with host here, I do think that a general measure of additional information available on the airwaves is good for American democracy (small 'd' democracy) in general. Informed voters are a good thing. And the level of misinformation coming from the far-right lunatic fringe is extremely bad for the future; left, right, communist, socialist, luddie... everybody loises if false data drives the discourse.

Posted by: "Meh" at August 17, 2009 9:21 AM

And the level of misinformation coming from the far-right lunatic fringe is extremely bad for the future
Posted by: "Meh" at August 17, 2009 9:21 AM

apparently you've never listened to sgtshultz, malloy, franken, rhodes, makkow, et al, misinformation is their stock and trade.

Posted by: weewilly at August 17, 2009 9:28 AM

If it were to pass, this should provide satellite and internet radio a nice boost. These will be pay services of course, and once again, these jackasses will widen the ever increasing gulf between those who can pay and those who can't.

Oh yeah.

Posted by: Son of Taz at August 17, 2009 9:40 AM

I formerly bought Healthy Choice and Hunts products from Con Agra. I told them I wont be doing that any more.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 17, 2009 9:51 AM

Air America - 'nuff said.

You can deny the "death panels" but you have no substantive facts to support this denial. You just say "There aren't death panels."

We have quoted the EXACT segment that eludes to the possibility of death panels and the only argument the left has come up with is "No there aren't."

Lefties are empty-headed.

All lefties are deniers... that's it, no substance. If you can't break down the wording in the bill to clear up misconceptions, then you lose.

I'm sorry that conservatives are actually intellectually sound and know how to read words as they are written and interpret them as such.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 17, 2009 9:51 AM

"Meh" has apparently never heard of "National Public Radio,"... the taxpayer-funded outfit that broadcasts all of his desired propaganda points, and is devoid of any conservative voices to express disagreement.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at August 17, 2009 9:51 AM

I didn't realize that people were forced to listen to and believe what a radio personality has to say. Gee, we must have the gub'mint step in and save us all!

Forcing radio stations to air a certain kind of content does not mean than anyone is going to listen to it.

There is generous enough a measure of information EVERYWHERE to be informed if you so choose. You cannot MAKE people listen to what they don't want to, and to try to do so is EVIL. Most people take several sources into account, then form their opinions based on that.

Destroying private business (in this case, private radio stations) in the name of some sort of "diversity" is anti-free market, and un-American. This guy doesn't want "equality" in radio, he wants conservative voices silenced forever.

Posted by: Seamus at August 17, 2009 9:53 AM

The Political class in America is no longer a magnet for the best and the brightest. The best and brightest are in the private sector, creating and inventing things people actually use and want. Meanwhile, the Public sector is FILLED with the lowest order of human being imaginable: Crooks, liars, perverts and head-up-the-ass retards, who if forced to work in the private sector, wouldn't be qualified to sweep floors at a local Taco Bell. What's happening, is that the lazy, retarded bums have basically taken over America and are waging war against the producers in the name of "Fairness" and "Social Justice".

Posted by: Refuter of Liberal Vermin at August 17, 2009 9:57 AM

The ultra-conservative arm of the GOP rules the AM talk radio sphere, and always has (something about radio makes the luddites happy, I guess)...

Actually, meh, it's quite simple (though I'd never expect a lefty to figure it out). Conservatives dominate talk radio because radio is about the only form of entertainment one can engage in while driving to, at, or returning home from WORK.

Those of us who work for and earn what we have, instead of trying to get the government to rip someone off for us, have these things called "jobs". Naturally, we tend to lean more to the conservative side of the fence, and we listen to more radio than the average lib because we're more likely to be WORKING.

Posted by: hiram at August 17, 2009 10:18 AM

hiram... that's going to leave a mark.

Posted by: V the K at August 17, 2009 10:40 AM

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at August 17, 2009 10:48 AM

Posted by: nancz at August 17, 2009 10:49 AM

Can we shun Islam now?... please?

No. Islam is good despite everything, because it thtands up to the Rathitht, Capitalitht, Imperialitht Wetht®.

/puttingonaleftistbraincouldbedangeroustoyourhealth

Posted by: Conservigilant at August 17, 2009 10:55 AM

Hiram's right!, now that I think about it, It's very rare to see an Obama buumper sticker, on my commute to and from WORK.

Posted by: Wnzwrld at August 17, 2009 10:56 AM

an interesting contention there hiram, but of course I work as well. imagine that. a liberal, working. and not even as an ivory-tower professor. good old 'book learnin' does not preclude individuals from jobs, amazing as that might be to some. But, I do appreciate that you proved my point about being a Luddite - after all, when I spend my 2 hours per day in the car, I have podcasts, hands-free cellphone, online music... in fact, I am as connected there as anywhere else.

So, I get that the right-wing radio people are going to 'jobs', and I also get that they are indeed luddites incapable of finding anything but bloviating gasbags scaring the gullible with 'death panels' and '20-year waits for healthcare in England' and (whatever other false information they care to spout on any given day). There are no 'death panels'. That is verifiably incorrect. No long waits in the UK or Canada; in fact it is worse here. (Ask Glen Beck of 1 year ago about that... he spent DAYS whining about how BAD his healthcare was. You know, until his propaganda overlords reminded him that the GOP was in trouble so we needed FEAR! Immediately! Scare those sheeple ASAP! And... he did.)

Once again I will say it: if those people are actually relying solely on Rush et al for information, our small 'd' democracy is in deep trouble... the fact that so many people have swallowed the 'government will force you to eat grandma's eyeballs' party line only serves to reinforce the need for actual facts available to the Luddites who can't be bothered to seek out the truth about anything, but are still allowed to vote. Terrifying, they are...

Information is the friend of democracy. Scare tactics and false data are bad for america. Stop hurting america!

Posted by: "Meh" at August 17, 2009 10:57 AM

Information is the friend of democracy. Scare tactics and false data are bad for america. Stop hurting america!
Posted by: "Meh" at August 17, 2009 10:57 AM

LEAVE BARACK ALONE!!!

Posted by: weewilly at August 17, 2009 11:01 AM

I have to get to my gerbil stuffing session. I will chat with you guys in a few.

If all goes well, the Obama administration will make this government subsidized.

Posted by: "Meh" at August 17, 2009 11:04 AM

Meh this is a commique from dear leader.
My most humble servant Meh. You have been found guilty of not using public transportation and enlarging your carbon footprint. Your use of your privately owned car shall cease and you will be remanded to internment...eer I mean civil obedience camp upon your return from your job. Thanks to your capitalistic beliefs I will have to create 10,000 more government jobs to alleviate the damage you have done to the enviroment.
Your omnipetent leader,
Obooboo.

Posted by: Farmer Ted at August 17, 2009 11:06 AM

The left does not seem to understand that the first and second amendments stand between them and armed insurrection. As long as we have a voice and the lethal force to defend ourselves, the debate will remain civil. Take either one away and the populace will be provoked into civil war. The left doesn't seem to understand that the right considers an assault on the second amendment a sufficient provocation for action.

Posted by: Argus at August 17, 2009 11:09 AM

Meh made a surprisingly swift descent into sputtering incoherence.

Perhaps my favorite part was when he accused a bunch of right-wingers who are communicating via a computer-enabled web forum of being technological Luddites. Priceless.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at August 17, 2009 11:12 AM

Meh,

But, I do appreciate that you proved my point about being a Luddite - after all, when I spend my 2 hours per day in the car, I have podcasts, hands-free cellphone, online music... in fact, I am as connected there as anywhere else.

You sound like a technomessianist--a Reverse Luddite--to me: If it's old, even if it works, it shouldn't be used anymore.

Truth and falsehood carry equally well on both old-fashioned radio and newfangled intarweb blogs. But it looks like radio is a clunker invention for you, ready for the slag-heap, just because it's old.

Once again I will say it: if those people are actually relying solely on Rush et al for information, our small 'd' democracy is in deep trouble...

This is the grossest of inversions! Conservatives rely on Rush and Fox News because the media is nearly totally dominated by Marxists. A domination which is the greatest threat to small 'd' democracy, as evidenced by the way this president gets a free pass for policies that could damage the U.S.A. for generations.

Information is the friend of democracy.

Agreed. I'm looking forward to when the Marxstream Media is replaced by a truly mainstream media. In the meantime, there's Rush. But Rush, of course, uses...

Scare tactics

..and his criticism of Obama is...

bad for america. Stop hurting america!

As are the Tea Parties. As are the Obama Joker posters. As is anything that isn't in lockstep with Lenin, in tandem with Trotsky, in synchrony with Stalin, in echo of Engels and, most of all, Marx.

Posted by: Conservigilant at August 17, 2009 11:13 AM

What a baby this Meh kid is. All this blathering about strawmen (Eating Grandma's eyes? Seriously? Grow up and pay attention.)and fear and hate and blah blah blah.

You know you've won when idiots like this show up to support your forced silence, even though they're really super "anti-FCC." Like, totally.

Posted by: cowlove at August 17, 2009 11:15 AM

argus - wait, how does that work? lunatics with guns and anger-management issues at town-hall meetings are the EXACT OPPOSITE of an informed but dissenting opposition.

When the lunatic-fringe shouts down the speakers, raving nonsense about 'keeping the government out of Medicare' and 'eating grandma' - How exactly is it that you see that as a positive contribution to our collective national discourse?

If you are unwilling to listen to anyone with actual information, and instead devote your energies to shouting vague slogans about hitler, socialism, and/or cannibalism... well, you are just part of the problem.

Not only are those people part of the problem, they are somehow magically unaware that they are part of the problem. Actually listen to people when they talk instead of playing ostrich; you might be amazed to discover just how powerfully uninformed you really are.

Posted by: "Meh" at August 17, 2009 11:18 AM

you might be amazed to discover just how powerfully uninformed you really are.
Posted by: "Meh" at August 17, 2009 11:18 AM

pray tell, where one might become "informed" at?

Posted by: weewilly at August 17, 2009 11:24 AM

Anon, question for you, since you are so convinced that there will be "death panels". Who sponsored the "Health Care Directive"? You may want to look into that, and when it was written. You might be surprised.

Further, I find it amusing you guys use "Air America" everytime you discuss Progressive talk. AAR started fantastic under Shelley and Anita Drobny, and when they sold the bottom fell out. Many of you, and I have said this before, subscribe to Arbitron. I also believe I mentioned this to Dave before, read up on Talkers magazine, which is the bible of talk radio. Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller all are within the top 15 of the "Hot 100 " under lower wattage stations.

You seem to miss that you guys had a head start with talk radio in Rush. Although, because he is local here, Peter Werbe is dismissed. 40+ years at WRIF is admirable. At times he makes me look Conservative. Not sure who it was, but one of you mentioned you work in radio, which I have as well. It is a revolving door for the most part.

The networks are primarily owned by neo-cons, and liberal talk, while profitable are placed on low wattage channels, so how is it you expect them to compete if you are not Thom, Stephanie or Ed? DIY! Which is what RFC is trying for your side. Some of you may want to listen to Derek Hunter over there, Dave in particular you, he makes Helsing look look liberal.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at August 17, 2009 11:25 AM

Obama is not hitler. Obama is not coming to kill your grandma. none of you are going to be enslaved to assemble eco-cars or work in the abortion mines. and yet... you all seem to think that not only are those possibilities, they are already foreordained.

That is creepy. Uninformed, unintelligent, and certainly unheplful.

Do any of you ever have a moment of clarity? You know, when you are sitting around listening to whichever talking head you are currently in love with, as you clean 16 guns and manufacture meth (and anger) in your trailer in the woods, and just look up and say "Wow. I am totally batshit insane. I should really check myself into some sort of clininc whrere they can help me find reality again"?

Information is good. False data is bad. And those of you who are saying that the media is NOT mainstream are confused... "mainstream" is defined by the majority. YOU are NOT the majority. See how that works? If you are not following what everyone else seems to understand, it is possible that YOUR BRAIN is at fault, rather than everyone else's? When you are so far out of the deep part of the country's thoughts, that makes you... the FRINGE. See how that works? Who wants to take a stab at parsing the word 'mainstream' in such a way that you are NOT the lunatic fringe?

Posted by: "Meh" at August 17, 2009 11:28 AM

Maybe he'll tax BET!

No, I don't think so either.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 11:29 AM

certainly unheplful

You don't get it. We're not trying to be helpful. We're trying to block your socialist agenda, not help you implement it.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 11:31 AM

"Air America." Bwaahaahaahaaa!

Every time someone mentions "Air America" I feel good all over. Thanks for bringing it up.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 11:33 AM

"meh" that semi-coherent rant failed to point to a single source of credible "information", are you saying that ALL the "mainstream media" are truthful and can be trusted completely? what IS the "mainstream"? newsweek? time? mother jones!? cbs/abc/nbc? mslsd?

Posted by: weewilly at August 17, 2009 11:33 AM

The networks are primarily owned by neo-cons, and liberal talk, while profitable are placed on low wattage channels, so how is it you expect them to compete if you are not Thom, Stephanie or Ed?

You compete by offering a product people want. If you can't, find something else to do. Or, apparently, you can go the liberal route and try to force yourself onto others.

Boo-hoo about the meanie Republicans running their businesses and being profitable. What a sad tale.

Posted by: cowlove at August 17, 2009 11:34 AM

"Death Panels" may be a little bit hyperbolic, but Democrats who claim their opponents are "political terrorists" should be the last ones to whine about political hyperbole.

The claim of "56 million uninsured" by Dear Leader... also a gross exaggeration. His accusations that doctors perform unnecessary tonsillectomies and foot amputations was not just hyperbole, but slander. Dear Leader has made more than a few outright lies in the course of this debate... including his claim that he never supported a single-payer system despite video of him saying that he did.

Given the amount of dishonesty and wild exaggerations coming from the Obamacrats ... it seems a little precious for them to be getting worked up about "Death Panels."

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at August 17, 2009 11:35 AM

gregory about the amputations, that newsweek hag elenor clift was on the mcglauclin group trying to maintain that doctors were getting "$30,000+" for a simple amputation when the figure is between 500-1000 dollars! off by a magnitude of 30!! and remember obama said "30, 40, 50 thousand dollars", what a scumbag!

Posted by: weewilly at August 17, 2009 11:40 AM

Obama is not hitler.

Alright. He's Stalin.

Obama is not coming to kill your grandma.

Not personally, of course. His rationing policies, however, will lead to just that: health care will be rationed against those who are less, ahem, "useful."

none of you are going to be enslaved to assemble eco-cars or work in the abortion mines.

Right. Can't happen. Just can't happen. Never happened. A democracy turning into a dictatorship--never happened. Go back to sleep.

And those of you who are saying that the media is NOT mainstream are confused... "mainstream" is defined by the majority. YOU are NOT the majority.

Even if left-wingers are a majority in the U.S.A., it's by a small margin. The proportion of the media devoted to left-wing water-carrying is way off base, in relation to this split.

If you are not following what everyone else seems to understand, it is possible that YOUR BRAIN is at fault, rather than everyone else's?

Sun around earth was majority opinion back in the 17th century. Majority and truth are two separate things. But the "gun-packing, trailer-outlying rednecks" are quite a few in number, despite your attempt to portray them as a Koresh-followers-like fringe.

Who wants to take a stab at parsing the word 'mainstream' in such a way that you are NOT the lunatic fringe?

Who wants to take a stab at parsing your ideas in such a way that you are not a Marxist?

Posted by: Conservigilant at August 17, 2009 11:40 AM

weewilly - people who end sentences with prepositions are in no position to be throwing stones regarding intellect... you were clearly never burdened with an excess of "schoolin'", were you?

But I will pretend that you are worth the response, and give it to you: Anything that is NOT FauxNews or MSNBC is a step in the right direction. Anything that is NOT 2ndhand information is obviously preferable (i.e. Obama himself talking is better than people after the fact spinning what was said) to anything said in spin alley. The echo chamber of pundits of all stripes is similarly poor; in fact, I have recently found that the best raw reporting of factual data is the Guardian UK website. They have no bested interest in either party, they report simple declarative facts. (You might also be amazed just how fond those 'socialists' are of their healthcare... imagine hearing from actual British people about British healthcare, instead of from the likes of Glen Beck?)

Look, opinion can provide perspective and as such is not entirely without merit. But when opinion takes over from fact entirely, and the electorate is entirely berefit of available data... we all lose. Especially those who can't be bothered to seek out truth.

Posted by: "Meh" at August 17, 2009 11:40 AM

weewilly - people who end sentences with prepositions are in no position to be throwing stones regarding intellect

"This is a sort of behavior up with which I shall not put." - Winston Churchill

Good to know ol' Winston had it against grammar Nazis as well as the conventional ones.

Posted by: Conservigilant at August 17, 2009 11:44 AM

The only thing that lightens my mood more than someone bringing up "Air America" is someone trying to rationalize its dismal failure.

"See, we're the vast majority, everyone holds our views, hates America, wants the worst for it, criticizes it at every turn, and is trying to bring America down and impose socialism on it. No one listens to radio espousing those views because ...uh ...because ...uh...because everybody already thinks that, and doesn't need to be reminded. Yes, that's it. Same thing with MSNBC and Fox!

Bwahhaahaa!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 11:44 AM

so "the guardian" is the shining light of journalistic integrity?
from wikipedia:
"The newspaper's reputation as a platform for liberal and left-wing opinions has led to the use of the phrase "Guardian reader" as a label for people holding such opinions"

guess you're a "guardian reader".

Posted by: weewilly at August 17, 2009 11:45 AM

Ghost of Buttstone said:
"The networks are primarily owned by neo-cons, and liberal talk, while profitable are placed on low wattage channels,"

ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, NPR, ... these are all owned by Neocons???????

Name one liberal talk show that was profitable and then consigned to a small market.

Posted by: chuck in st paul at August 17, 2009 11:45 AM

I've decided to share my mirth with the comrades by proposing a contest among them.

Fill in the blank: "Air America failed dismally not because Americans didn't want to hear its left-wing tripe, but because __________."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 11:46 AM

Let's break this down.

You (liberals) have essentially every major news network save Fox at your disposal. You have the American Idol President on TV during prime-time every couple of days to soothe the masses...err...educate the populace. You have an enormous majority in the House of Representatives. You have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. You have the White House. You have woeful, sad tales about 50 million uninsured people dying in ditches all over the country. You have models of government-run programs to point to as beacons of bureacracy (USPS? SS? Medicare and Medicaid? VA? FHA? Come on people! These are winners!). You have much-celebrated model programs in place all over the world (Canadians rave about their health care when they come over here to get...uh...health care!).

You have all these things going for you! And what do we have? Why, nothing but liiieeess, feeeaarrr, haaatteee, RAAACCISM. We've got nothing but reiterated talking points from that bloviating gas bag Rush, and that drunk Beck.

And yet, you lost, big time. And even better, despte your iron-clad grip on the Executive and Legislative branches, it's all our fault. Yes, you have all these things and were still soundly taken to task by the lunatic right-wing fringe extremists who no intelligent person listens to and we're so out of power and never coming back and stuff. Thank you, sincerely, for the compliment.

The desperation you exhibit here is tangible, and delicious. 7 short months to destroy yourselves, amazing.

Posted by: cowlove at August 17, 2009 11:50 AM

Meh is obviously the victim of NEA educational malfeasance.

Luddites were (are) anti-technology, not anti-Marxism. I only seem to find leftards trying to push society back to the 19th Century. The anti-human, anti-technology mob are all leftists as they get no support from the conservatives.

If there weren't any 'death panels' then why are the headlines all about the White House pulling them out of the Bill? Doh!

Posted by: chuck in st paul at August 17, 2009 11:52 AM

people who end sentences with prepositions are in no position to be throwing stones regarding intellect

Technically, there is nothing improper about ending a sentence in English with a preposition; it's just a psuedo-intellectual tic to claim it is.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at August 17, 2009 11:54 AM

Jay I'll fill in the blank... BUSH!!!!! :)

Posted by: Farmer Ted at August 17, 2009 11:54 AM

Meh, I made a simple philosophical statement about the consequences of denying citizens their constitutional rights under the first and second amendments. Whatever you care to read into my statement belongs to you, not me. The Constitution of the United States protects everyone, left and right alike. I find the town hall meetings to be civil no matter how raucous they get compared to the alternatives. More I will not say because I've already wasted too many words on a fool.

Posted by: Argus at August 17, 2009 11:56 AM

Halliburton!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 11:57 AM

Chuck, why don't you look into talk radio in Columbus or even D.C. for that matter. See what happen to both Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller.

Cowlove, I for one hate the fact that Democrats still act like they are not in power. We have seen this before. However, something will get passed on healthcare, and a battle in the future may be communications and radio. We have an unbalanced system in play, thanks to President Clinton. I find it hysterical you guys take such issue with MSNBC. You get to start off your day with Scarborough, and end it with Maddow, yet where would your wars be w/o GE?

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at August 17, 2009 11:58 AM

Air America! Bwahahaahaa! Stop it! Oxygen! Oxygen!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 12:00 PM

Argus, the townhall meetings are no more raucous than a meeting of the House of Commons in Britain, except that back-bencher MP's have less fear of being beaten up by purple-shirted Union Thugs.

The accusations of "mob violence" and that opponents to the plan are "ignorant" is just the typical leftist tactic of attacking their opponents rather than defending their policies.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at August 17, 2009 12:01 PM

MSNBC! More comedy gold! More letters in its name than it has viewers!

Ghost of Liebknecht, you're on a roll!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 12:01 PM

So ...uh...has Air America (cough, cough) come out of bankruptcy yet? Or are they doing so well they can stay in it? Bwahahaha!

Sorry. I couldn't keep a straight face.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 12:03 PM

GOREBULL WARMING !!!!!

Posted by: Farmer Ted at August 17, 2009 12:07 PM

VWRC!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 12:07 PM

Darth Cheney !!!!!

Posted by: Farmer Ted at August 17, 2009 12:08 PM

Farting Cows !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Farmer Ted at August 17, 2009 12:08 PM

Blackwater!

C'mon, everyone can play "Liberal Excuse-Making!" Fun for the whole family!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 12:10 PM

I find it hysterical you guys take such issue with MSNBC.

Anyone here actually give a flying rat's ass about MSNBC?

I think you mistake "mocking" for "taking issue with." "Taking issue with," implies getting your panties in such a wad that you want the government to step in regarding an "unbalanced system." You know, like you just did.

Posted by: cowlove at August 17, 2009 12:10 PM

"What happened" to Ed Schulz is that he is an ill-tempered socialist lapdog who accuses opponents of ObamaCare of wanting to shoot Obama and is given to ranting psychotically about Rush Limbaugh whom he wants subjected to a Soviet-style show trial.

And Stephanie Miller is a boring, vacuous hack whose entire routine is warmed over snark against Republicans.

No one with an IQ above room temperature is interested in listening to either of them.

Posted by: V the K at August 17, 2009 12:10 PM

V the K !!!!!! Opppps sorry V I got carried away.:)

Posted by: Farmer Ted at August 17, 2009 12:11 PM

I gotta go with the obvious and say, "Karl Rove."

I didn't let the cat out of the bag did I?

Posted by: cowlove at August 17, 2009 12:16 PM

Ok folks beat this one: CHRISTIANS !!!!!

Posted by: Farmer Ted at August 17, 2009 12:17 PM

Honestly, the main difference between NPR and Air Amerikkka is this:

NPR: Democrat talking points read by people on Valium.

Air Amerikkka: Democrat talking points read by people on crystal meth.

Posted by: V the K at August 17, 2009 12:18 PM

(Psst! Cowlove! Ixnay on Arlkay Overay! They mustn't suspect he rules the universe.)

Corporations!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 12:19 PM

High Fructose Corn Syrup!

(Sorry about the slip-up.)

Posted by: cowlove at August 17, 2009 12:21 PM

VK that break-down has a whole lot of awesome there.

Posted by: cowlove at August 17, 2009 12:22 PM

As for Corporate ownership, let's connect a few dots leftists don't like connected:

- NBC and MSDNC are owned by General Electric.

- NBC and MSDNC are major promoters of the myth of Global Warming, in both their entertainment and news divisions.

- MSDNC and NBC are shameless propagandists for Barack Obama.

- GE is the world's largest producer of wind turbines; which received a huge subsidy from the Spendulus Bill.

Posted by: V the K at August 17, 2009 12:23 PM

Hitler and stalin probibly did the same thing to silence decenters

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at August 17, 2009 12:23 PM

how about corporations ran by Christians

Posted by: son of a preacher man at August 17, 2009 12:23 PM

You're onto something there.

How about non-unionized oil corporations run by Christians for Cheney and the VRWC to help Israel and anti-abortionists, employing Blackwater, who buy stuff from Wal-Mart and get covered by Fox News? That's achieving evil critical mass!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 12:31 PM

I was going to say my F-150 but I like Jay's answer better. :)

Posted by: Farmer Ted at August 17, 2009 12:33 PM

And to our resident Reds, don't feel bad. We're laughing at you, not with you.

But then, you're probably used to be laughed at.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 12:34 PM

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 11:46 AM

Fill in the blank: "Air America failed dismally not because Americans didn't want to hear its left-wing tripe, but because __________."

"...the networks are run by neo-cons who can't stand Truth, so they drove these fine, articulate Statesmen- uuh, I mean Statespersons/Stateswomyn into the Persecuted Underground."

Posted by: Toa at August 17, 2009 12:41 PM

Jay I think you've said quite enough already.

Cowlove, we'll be seeing you.

Posted by: Rarl Kove at August 17, 2009 12:42 PM

And those of you who are saying that the media is NOT mainstream are confused... "mainstream" is defined by the majority. YOU are NOT the majority. See how that works?

And when Bush was in office with a slight majority Republican CONgress... oh, that's right, all we had was FoxNews and that's all we STILL have.

So apparently, you're under the impression that your majority was defined prior Republicans having the majority, therefore you mindset is ALWAYS right because you were a previous majority? That sounds quite convenient.

I like how you play the "I R MINORITY" card to force your beliefs on people and then you play the "I R MAJORITY" card to supress the minority. I swear you are skitzophrenic or bipolar or just absolutely insane.

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at August 17, 2009 12:48 PM

I read an article a while back, by a Red, on why Red talk radio does so poorly. See, the Reds don't need to get their marching orders from the radio; my words - but that was the point of the article. Red talk radio doesn't get many listeners because the Reds don't need to get their marching orders from the radio.

The author of the article was so dense he didn't understand what he was saying about Air America and his friends.

So...

Posted by: Kevin R. at August 17, 2009 1:22 PM

Air America!

Posted by: Kevin R. at August 17, 2009 1:23 PM

I apologize, Reichsfuehrer. Didn't mean to break Party discipline by revealing our VWRC.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 1:24 PM

(sniggers)

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 1:24 PM

Stop it!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2009 1:24 PM

Hey, is it too late to consider the, um... the fluoridation of the water? I hear that's some pretty potent stuff, someway or other.

Luddite? Seriously, is that the latest lefty meme about us? Boy, I've been deeper into technology than you could ever imagine. I have a killer lab at home where I can do about anything short of making actual integrated circuits myself. Try again.

Now, I used to like to say I voted for Reagan only once... because I wasn't old enough in 1980. I don't listen to Rush, nor watch FNC, but I don't need to. I can guarantee, though, that if I listened to Rush, I would agree with him 99+%, because he's right.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at August 17, 2009 1:49 PM

If the left had their way, all we'd have is 24 hours of the bastard child of Big Brother from 1984 and the Buddy Bears from Garfield and Friends.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 17, 2009 3:13 PM

I think that both the spendahunk bill and health care bill were designed to be democrat incumbant re-election bills. Just look at the bills efective dates of the legislation. Most of the spending in the spendachunk doesn't take place untill 2010, oddly enough, an eleaction year. The democraps can go home and run on the bacon they brought to their districts. Likewise the healthcare bill won't go into effect until after the next presidental election. Obama can run on the fact that he fixed health care before it even starts to be implemented.
What they weren't counting on was that the people would actually read the bills and object.

Posted by: dontheflyer at August 17, 2009 4:19 PM

Do any of you ever have a moment of clarity? You know, when you are sitting around listening to whichever talking head you are currently in love with, as you clean 16 guns and manufacture meth (and anger) in your trailer in the woods, and just look up and say "Wow. I am totally batshit insane. I should really check myself into some sort of clininc whrere they can help me find reality again"?"
Jeez, Meh, it appears that bigotry and ignorant, baseless stereotypes are all you have. And you wonder why conservatives tend to view liberals as smug, condescending, hateful elitists?


"Luddites were (are) anti-technology, not anti-Marxism. I only seem to find leftards trying to push society back to the 19th Century. The anti-human, anti-technology mob are all leftists as they get no support from the conservatives."
Excellent observation. The real Luddites are the far- left environmental groups like Greenpeace, Earth First (Spit), and its offshoot groups.

Posted by: Adam at August 17, 2009 5:20 PM

LOL Adam -
Do you feel as insulted as I do when the communist jerks imply we each have ONLY 16 guns?

I'm hurt.

Posted by: Jimbo at August 17, 2009 6:48 PM

By the time Rush, Hannity and Savage are through taking apart this Lloyd imbecille, the large zit protrusion on his forhead will pop and the alien controlling his pea-sized brain will be released.

Posted by: Clingtomyguns at August 17, 2009 9:11 PM

Diversity = no white people

Posted by: grayjohn at August 18, 2009 4:42 AM

"...National Public Radio... the taxpayer-funded outfit... devoid of any conservative voices to express disagreement."

-Yeah, no kidding.


"I guess this means that we will be seeing "guest commentary" from Hannity, Levin, Savage, Limbaugh, et al. on NBC, CBS, ABC, NPR, etc?"

-Ha! Not even in an election year, when station owners are required by law to give equal airtime to candidates running for office. If three people are running for Mayor, all three have to be offered equal airtime to campaign with. Commercials are not considered free airtime, since they are paid for by the candidate or their comitee. Back to the point- not even then will you hear "guest commentary" from the "other side".



"Forcing radio stations to air a certain kind of content does not mean than anyone is going to listen to it..."

-exactly, and the free market will always find a way to make money giving people what they want.



"There is generous enough a measure of information EVERYWHERE to be informed if you so choose. You cannot MAKE people listen to what they don't want to, and to try to do so is EVIL. Most people take several sources into account, then form their opinions based on that."

-but why allow any information that might dissuade people from taking one particular side's point of view over another? Pravda and Izvestia, anyone?



"...something about radio makes the luddites happy, I guess..."

-your condescending words describing people who believe in conservative values explains volumes about you.


And yes, AirAmerica is a complete failure. In New York City, the number one market in the United States, mind you, they are broadcast on an A.M. station all the way at the end of the dial. 1600 AM, the very end of the AM dial. I should add that they were broadcast on 1190 as well, but the ratings were so low it was replaced with Contemporary Christian Music and Christian Talk. If AirAmerica were more successful and in demand, it would likely be on a bigger station(s), and everybody would actually have heard of them. Also, a note on the programming at WWRL: "A block of sponsored medical advice programs airs in the late morning instead of the usual progressive talk programming..."   
"...WWRL was, at one time, considered to be the flagship station of the Air America Radio network; however, WWRL has removed the Air America branding from the station's logo." What can we infer from that?



"Information is the friend of democracy. Scare tactics and false data are bad for america. Stop hurting america!"

-but you need an opposite position in order to have a productive exchange of ideas. One side's point of view is not enough. Disagreement is actually productive in this fashion.

Posted by: Murff at August 18, 2009 6:10 AM

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