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August 24, 2009

Portrait of an Astroturfer: Jeremy Bird

Even MSNBC had enough sense to quickly pull down a maudlin puff piece on Obamunist astroturfer Jeremy Bird. But the foray into liberal media self-parody is still available elsewhere for anyone looking for a laugh. Some lowlights:

Bird had lived at that precipice ever since joining Barack Obama's campaign as a top organizer in 2007, but rarely had he faced a challenge so daunting as the one awaiting in Racine. As deputy director of Organizing for America, a national network of Obama supporters, Bird was scheduled to speak with a group of volunteers who had been threatened[*] at town halls, outshouted at local rallies and weakened by a general sense of post-campaign fatigue. With one 90-minute visit, Bird hoped to leave them confident, empowered and reenergized.
"We want these people to feel like they can control almost anything that happens in government," said Bird, who had traveled from his office at Democratic National Committee headquarters in Washington to spend two days visiting volunteers across Wisconsin. "They should feel like there's no barrier between the regular people out in the states and the power players in D.C."
The outcome of the health-care debate weighed partially on Bird's success, and on the effectiveness of Organizing for America (OFA) in general. When Bird was named deputy director of OFA last year, he became the vanguard of much more than 13 million e-mail addresses collected from supporters during Obama's campaign. He became one of the people most responsible for validating Obama's campaign ethos: that grass-roots support can power government and shape legislation.

Jeremy Birdbrain and the drones to whom he passes out mass-produced signs bearing official government slogans are the grassroots, according to the Peacock Network — evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.

In an inspiring hagiography, we learn that young Tird rose above his trailer park past, leaving behind his conservative Baptist folks to attend Harvard. He then heroically helped the Moonbat Messiah "overcome racism in South Carolina and Islamophobia in Pennsylvania and Ohio."

But the glory days are over now for Chairman Zero's legions of fellow community activists, to judge from MSNBC's self-pitying whimpers:

When Bird arrived in Wisconsin last week, he recognized all the familiar hallmarks of an underdog fight. … Around the table in Racine, Bird listened as the volunteers rattled off evidence of OFA's growing pains. Local membership was relatively stagnant because Racine residents were exhausted after volunteering during the long presidential campaign. Newspapers had focused their coverage of health-care town halls on the most vocal conservatives, even when the crowd contained more Democrats.

Growing pains? Call them dying pains. Fortunately patriots who want to preserve our liberties from the Obamunist onslaught are anything but "exhausted."

Jeremy-Bird.jpg
Jeremy Bird, skeevy Obamunist astroturfer.

On a tip from Sophia Elena.

*Volunteers being threatened is apparently a reference to a moonbat claiming someone said to him, "Why should I be afraid of a liberal when I have a .357?" Obviously any genuine threats would have made national news.

Posted by Van Helsing at August 24, 2009 10:20 AM

Comments

The truth about Organizing for America at the Feinstein Protest in Los Angeles

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWSNboloaJw

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L12pjw_cVWU

At the end of Part 2, the "Community Organizer" with OFA admits the only reason they were there was for the "real" press (not to support healthcare.)

"There's no real press here, that's what we're here for."

Posted by: Jed at August 24, 2009 10:35 AM

"Why should I be afraid of a liberal when I have a .357?"

And this is acceptable because....?

"Why should I be afraid of a republican when I can read and write?"

Posted by: Anonymous at August 24, 2009 10:45 AM

"Why should I be afraid of a liberal when I have a .357?"
And this is acceptable because....?
Posted by: Anonymous at August 24, 2009 10:45 AM

...because liberals have lowered the political discourse to this level(and below) over the past 8 years.

Posted by: weewilly at August 24, 2009 10:56 AM

"...because liberals have lowered the political discourse to this level(and below) over the past 8 years."

And what was said about the left over that 8 years?

Posted by: Anonymous at August 24, 2009 11:01 AM

Posted by: Anonymous at August 24, 2009 11:01 AM

The truth and that's what hurts your tender Red feelings.

Posted by: SK at August 24, 2009 11:13 AM

And what was said about the left over that 8 years?
Posted by: Anonymous at August 24, 2009 11:01 AM

whatever it was fell far short of the mark, whatever anyone says about a liberal is too kind, they are anti-human, morally bankrupt and completely without shame.

Posted by: weewilly at August 24, 2009 11:15 AM

From one ol shorebird with a attatude might i suggest he remove that dumb sticker from his laptop

Posted by: SPURWING PLOVER at August 24, 2009 11:22 AM

Posted by: TED at August 24, 2009 11:26 AM

"whatever it was fell far short of the mark, whatever anyone says about a liberal is too kind, they are anti-human, morally bankrupt and completely without shame."

I see. trying to add healthcare to living people is morally bankrupt, huh? I forget sometimes that the lunatic fringe only cares about people in utero - once born, fuck 'em. Right?

I think that there is some confusion about who is anti-human and morally bankrupt - the left wants to help people (living people, that is), and the right wants to.... what? (There is no plan. Or no plan beyond 'make sure that Obama fails no matter what he tries to do, because he is on the other team').

Someday, the GOP will either ditch the hatemongers and join the community of American society... or they will continue on the current path, chasing the lowest common denominator, and end up like the Whigs.

This is not rocket science people... it is raw math. Dems are trying to affect change to improve people's lives, and repubs are simply standing in the way saying "no" to everything. This is not a sustainable platform... especially when we have such obvious evidence that the old GOP plan of hands-off-everything, let-the-market-decide has gone SOOO well recently.

If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 24, 2009 11:43 AM

And if you are not part of the solution, we will being to institute the "Ultimate SOLUTION" get ready for train cars and work camps, Republicans.....

Posted by: Anonymous at August 24, 2009 11:53 AM

Don't forget, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Che, Fidel, ALL had a 'solution' and look what they did to those that were 'part of the problem' and that's what's in store for you ReThugliKKKans!

Posted by: Anonymous at August 24, 2009 11:56 AM

lolz, anon makes the case against himself in my absence, what a 'tard :p yes, killing off old people and the unborn for the benefit of the "living"(viz whatever grievance group they need in the next elections) is very "moral", please crawl back under your rock now.

Posted by: weewilly at August 24, 2009 11:59 AM

Dems are trying to affect change to improve people's lives, and repubs are simply standing in the way saying "no" to everything.
Posted by: Too stupid to know who I am so I post as Anonymous at August 24, 2009 11:43 AM

This person is so stupid he doesn't see that the Dems are saying "no" to free civil society and it is our side that is saying "yes" to freedom.

Posted by: Kevin R. at August 24, 2009 12:04 PM

"Why should I be afraid of a republican when I can read and write?"

Because pencils and paper have no stopping power, whereas a .357 caliber weapon does.

This is not rocket science people... it is raw math.

Raw math, eh? Wouldn't that entail things like quantative analysis, calculations, heck, just some simple addition maybe? I see you're offering none of that, just saying it's so...

Dems are trying to affect change to improve people's lives, and repubs are simply standing in the way saying "no" to everything.

Oh spare me. You have no way of improving anyone's life. The only thing you wield is the power to prohibit and destroy, in the hopes that lowering one person will lift up another. All you can do is push the mean downward.

Let's also be clear here. Liberals have:
-an overwhelming majority in the House,
-a filibuster-proof supermajority in the Senate,
-the White House.

And yet, here you are, whining about meanie Republicans telling you, "no." You have everything you could possibly need to "affect change," all on your own, and you're blaming the outcast minority party. Bravo sir.

This is not a sustainable platform... especially when we have such obvious evidence that the old GOP plan of hands-off-everything, let-the-market-decide has gone SOOO well recently.

Our market is far from free. When the leader of the free world says, "I had to abandon free market principles to save the free market," that should clue you in. When Congress can, at the direction of a degenerate queer pimp and a corrupt tax-evading buffoon, direct lending institutions to abandon sound underwriting principles, our market is far from free. When American taxpayers can be fleeced to the tune of 2 trillion dollars simply to line the pockets of institutional leaders who should be in jail, our market is far from free.

A return to a truly free market and a firm box drawn around our oozing behemoth of a government is the only hope we have. You'll forgive me, I'm sure, if I ignore your recommendations.

Posted by: cowlove at August 24, 2009 12:12 PM

"Dems are trying to affect change to improve people's lives, and repubs are simply standing in the way saying "no" to everything".

I'm going to assume you're young as its the only way to accept your ignorance. This argument "improving people's lives" can be applied to many thing: electricity, heating oil, food, and other industries. Some oddballs even want to make free internet access a right. Wonder with a free flat screen TV will become a right? Interestingly enough, the Dems have for some time been demonizing most of these industries as they've recently been doing with health insurance industry. They seem to be following the "Hugo Chavez" method - demonize and then take over.

Cite as you will previous forays into socialism, this simply is not the provenance of the federal government as defined by the Constitution. Read that document, read the arguments of the country's founders in the Federalist papers, and read everything you can about what they wrote.

After you do so, you'll not only realize how wise those men were over 200 years ago, but you'll understand why the Republicans say "no" to the expanding the size and power of the government. You'll understand why they say "no" to the idea of the government destroying an entire industry just because you think its the right thing to do. The Republic was created to do as much as possible to protect corporations and individuals, not simply to cater to the masses.

You may not like the Constitution once you read it, but until you legally change it, I for one hope the Republicans, Libertarians, Constitutional party and individuals fight tooth and nail to assure that is is not continued to be trodden upon.

No matter how much you want to make it a socialist country or even a simple democracy subject to the will of the majority, the U.S. is still a Constitutional Republic. Wish there was more time to explain it to you.

Posted by: nb at August 24, 2009 12:20 PM

"...the left wants to help people"...

to other people's money in order to make themselves feel morally superior to those of us who believe in a strong work ethic and helping our neighbors directly through charitable works and donations.

Posted by: LittleMissPerfect at August 24, 2009 1:13 PM

"The left wants to help" themselves to everyone's bank accounts. But Mr. Gutless does make the valid point, the scariest words in the English language, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help". Anon's checkbook must be scary, as he can neither add, subtract or even read numbers.
$9 Trillion, slick, up from $7 Trillion in just a few days. Yeah, the dems are really "helping".

Posted by: UpNorth at August 24, 2009 1:15 PM

You all have the same disease... fear. Or maybe just plain bull-ignorance.

"this simply is not the provenance of the federal government as defined by the Constitution. Read that document, read the arguments of the country's founders..."

Is this the part where I mention that a reading of that same document values a "negro at 3/5ths of a man"? Are you arguing that nothing can change the immutable flawlessness of that document? I really hope you aren't... but then again the GOP is the party where America's last bastion of genuine racist shitstains live... guess maybe you really might mean it. Or maybe, just maybe, you need to stop whining about how anything new is inherently evil, before you invite comparisions to segregationists and other assorted sub-humans.

At what point did you decide that anything at all done by a government = facism/socialist takeover of all we hold dear? W. declares war on Iraq for literally no reason... and that's cool with you. No outrage there. And Hannity/Rush et all call it treasonous to question it. Now instead of a futile war under false pretenses we have Obama trying to help you... and THAT gets you all up in arms>? This same shit was said when social security was being discussed... and still it is here, and still it helps the poor-ass hillfolk stay alive. I sure as hell don't need it... but I also recognize that there is value in keeping seniors from starvation. And the conservative crowd doesnt care. "But if I had my money Id spend it better!" is the rallying cry... but that is clearly incorrect. The dumbest people in our society, those least likely to make informed decisions about their own best interests, are by and large the red-state bibles-and-guns crowd. (and don't even pretend that your team wins the 'well-informed award' - we all see the retards talking about "keeping the government out of my medicare", or hurting themselves while protesting unoversal healthcare and then complaining that they have no insurance... those people are clearly NOT the brightest stars in the firmament.)

I would love to rescind every government program and let them all die... but then I have this little voice that says 'maybe it is better to help them, even if they dont want the help, than it is to just let them die'.

Dunno. Guess you could sway me to your side if you are all ready to agree that letting senior citizens who don't plan ahead die in destitution is a good thing... (wait... aren't you looking for the moral high ground here? hmmmm...)

We all OK with that? Mass die-off of old people? You were all sorts of anti "death-panel" (which didnt even exist!) So where's the outrage against social security? Let them die....

Posted by: Anonymous at August 24, 2009 1:57 PM

"the left wants to help people"

When you have life experience outside of mommy's basement/academia's ivory tower, you'll realise exactly how unutterably stupid statements like this truly are.

Posted by: Smorfia48 at August 24, 2009 2:00 PM

Witness, folks, the straw man.

See, when an idiot is losing an argument, he will generally deflect or lash out with ad hominem. Our current idiot also commits the genetic fallacy (bonus: cite his mistake!).

But no, in this case, our current idiot is content simply to set up fake arguments and rage against them. It's sad yet vaguely amusing.

Posted by: cowlove at August 24, 2009 2:09 PM

Is this the part where I mention that a reading of that same document values a "negro at 3/5ths of a man"?

Please enlighten me where is the negro reference in the Constitution?

Posted by: son of preacher man at August 24, 2009 2:17 PM

We all OK with that? Mass die-off of old people? You were all sorts of anti "death-panel" (which didnt even exist!)

Yet that exact provision was removed from the bill because it had legislative loopholes and vagueness that could've been abused to create the "death panels."

So they removed something that didn't exist? You liberals are priceless.

Next...

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at August 24, 2009 2:19 PM

Hey NAMELESS Dumbass:

Stop playing the race card and tell us how your GOD intends to PAY for this crap.

Posted by: KHarn at August 24, 2009 2:21 PM

Good counter punches to Anonymous who can't seem to punch his way out of the wet paper bag of college idealism. The Democrat left "helps" people by making them dependent on a coercive government and then claims to be the party of the poor and downtrodden. That liberal leaders have a genuine interest in "helping" anyone is the biggest myth ever generated in American politics. The economic status of minorities in any big city should be proof enough. Certain immature and naive leftists believe in liberal 'compassion', but when they finally grow up and see that their powerful leaders are corrupt and manipulative, they must abandon liberalism and, if they still have a functioning mind, begin to investigate conservative philosophy.

The best way, the only way, to "help" people is to allow them the freedom to help themselves. It's called liberty. The chief aim of the rule and order in a proper conservative society is to give freedom for good things to run wild. The chief aim of rule and order in a progressive society is to constrict freedom so that all things are under the control of the coercive power of the state.

Why should I be afraid of liberals when their minds are as limp as their wrists? It's hard to throw a good punch when your philosophy is flaccid.

Posted by: lvb-rocks at August 24, 2009 2:32 PM

Posted by: cowlove at August 24, 2009 2:09 PM

Yep. And get the argument it makes near the end of the 1:57 post about senior citizens. It is basically saying that in a free society senior citizens that didn't plan ahead will die in destitution. Either we live in a socialist society and forget about all this freedom stuff or the old folks will be dying in the streets.

So give up your freedom people, or old folks will die!

But gee, back in more civilized times there were actually free voluntary organizations that addressed and took care of things like that and these organizations and fraternities did it all with no government strings or involvement at all. To think that we need to impose socialism on society and destroy freedom because some lefty who posts as anonymous has no concept of freedom and pretends to worry about old people is a very stupid argument.

The Left has been using arguments like that for a long time. The Left are nothing but fear mongers.


Posted by: Kevin R. at August 24, 2009 2:33 PM

Ahh, ya don't have to worry about the old geezers anyway, they'll be too expensive for healthcare so they'll be advised to take the obamacare way out. Special bonus, they won't be drawing on social security either! More savings!

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at August 24, 2009 2:40 PM

"the Dems are saying "no" to free civil society and it is our side that is saying "yes" to freedom."

Was I asleep when "freedom" changed its meaning to be "ignorance"?

Nobody is taking away your "freedom". What part of "you can keep your existing health insurance" is a foreign word in your native language?

I would, however, postulate that the repubs are trying damned hard to take away everyone else's freedom to effect meaningful change for a better future.

Are we not free to explore the possibilities of a more perfect union? Are we not free to work towards a future wherein everyone has access to the rudiments of heathcare, the power of knowledge, and the idea of a society free from archaism and fear of the future?

It is hard to talk about being in favor of freedom when I hear that Texas school boards have removed evolution entirely in favor of magic? Do you not see that this sort of republican bullshittery is the exact definition of removing people's freedom to learn and grow? Your 'freedom' just means 'I wanna keep my head in the sand and pretend that nothing is ever changing'.

Sop there you go. Parse the word 'freedom' any way you like... but just be aware that not everyone thinks the word 'freedom' is a synonym for 'stupidity' or 'apathy'. As such, I will continue to vote democrat, support Obama, and make fun of the luddites and jesus-freaks, ad infinitum. And be damned glad I have the FREEDOM to support the smart people, regardless of how many sheeple get lost in the lies.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 24, 2009 2:48 PM

Kevin R. - i think someone slept through a few too many classes...

What was the poverty rate among the elderly before social security? What is it today? (50%, and 11%, respectively.)

So... who is correct here? Point for me! There ARE people too damned stupid to take care of themselves. Either we help them, or they die. I am all for letting them die, I guess... you are the ones who made up the 'death panels' as a nice strawman to rail against, not the liberals. Want to make that your new platform? End all government programs, right now, and fuck the people who can't hack it? Try selling that one to the American people...

Inconsistent trains of thought from the flat-earth society... shocking!

Posted by: Anonymous at August 24, 2009 2:54 PM

I don't think anon reads many, if any, financial news sites. Anon, look up "Quantitative Easing" and Zimbabwe and get back to me on how this situation is going to help. I want you to think long and hard if this scenario is going to help out our beloved country. You want to give away the whole cake right now and those coming up from behind that who might need assistance in the future can "BE DAMNED". I'm sure you saw that Debt Graph on this site. Maybe you're just stupid but that is not a good thing. Chairman Zero is printing money like there is no tomorrow and he can't find the off button.
So anon please enlighten me on your way off thinking, pleeeeease, because I'm not seeing rainbows and pixie dust at the moment. Or else send me some of that Obozo print sheet of acid your on

Posted by: funkendunkel at August 24, 2009 3:09 PM

Pass this stimulus or we're all gonna die!
Pass this health care or your grandparents are all gonna die!
Pass this TARP expansion or the economy is gonna die!
Pass TALF or the economy is REALLY going to die, this time!
Let us take over GM or all of our manufacturing base is going to die!

Those dirty health insurance companies! They are the enemy! Those dirty rich people, they are the enemy, we'll tax them to pay for everything! You stupid whites, with your white pride rallies and swastikas! You're un-American traitors and you want to kill the President!

Face it, random anonymous, your side only has fear for sale. You have zero aptitude for debate, because you always lose the argument. Witness the health care debacle. Epic failure, fully confirmed when you pathetic folks had to resort to flinging cries of racism and hate.

Hell, just witness your own posts here. "You want old people to die alone in the streets!" "Evolution! Magic! Grrr at the Bible you Luddites!"

Grow up. The government is not mommy and daddy. The best thing the government can do for you, me, and everyone else is to get the hell out of the way.

Posted by: cowlove at August 24, 2009 3:16 PM

The part of "you can keep your current health insurance" that's false advertisement of a socialist takeover where the objective is a single payer program. Yeah, that part. We all know that post turtle favors a single payer program, always has and always will, and that's his objective with this "plan". I don't believe for a second that I'll get to keep my current plan anywhere past where they think they can eliminate it. Nobody else here, except the koolaid-swilling zombies does either.

Posted by: Mr Evilwrench at August 24, 2009 3:17 PM

And even worse, Evilwrench, is that by even arguing the point, we're conceding the government has any say at all in what health insurance we purchase for ourselves.

It should've been, "I can keep my current health insurance? Who said I needed permission in the first place??" expressing the same sentiment as the veteran in another post.

It's a similar story to how TARP and GM went down. Conservatives got pissed about government interference in private enterprise. Bush, and the hippies that followed him, assured us it was necessary. Then, all of a sudden, we get the CEO of GM dismissed by the White House and our Executive Pay Czar (wtf??) analyzing contracts for "alteration." But hey, now these people have gotten taxpayer money and the public has a vested interest and blah blah blah. The argument is over some point that follows only from the initially argued premise: the government should stay the hell out of private enterprise. Give it an inch; it will take a mile.

But lefties never learn. "This time it will be different..." is the new mantra.

Posted by: cowlove at August 24, 2009 3:26 PM

A .357 is a liberal pussy like gun.

THIS is a gun that will scare the piss out of any metrosexual wimp like Goatse, Anonypussy, pansy90210, Meh and the little baby birdy.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 24, 2009 3:33 PM

Come on now, if we're talking about just scaring them then this should be more than enough.

Posted by: cowlove at August 24, 2009 3:37 PM

Tell me "Anonymous"... Why are you such a communist coward who feels that I owe you something?


I see.

You are far too ignorant, uneducated, juvinile and mentaly challenged for THAT to EVER happen.

trying to add healthcare to living people is morally bankrupt, huh?

Odd, I don't remember ever giving you power of attorney, or offering to let you make decision for me, so why do you feel so complelled to take that upon yourself? Besides my IQ is probably twice what yours is so letting you make decisions for ANYONE would be suicidal at best.

Look it's the 1st communist lie

I forget sometimes that the lunatic fringe only cares about people in utero - once born, fuck 'em. Right?

You do realize it's YOUR PARTY that is in favor of killing children PRIOR to birth? YOU are the "lunatic fringe" that idolizes Che Gurvera, Favors Hitlers policies, wishes harm and death to anyone who does not share your beliefs like Mao did. Ahh... I forgot, as a communist it's your duty to lie constantly rather than actually admit to you true beliefs.

Look it's the 2nd communist lie

I think that there is some confusion about who is anti-human and morally bankrupt

APARENTLY... It's YOU! Not us... We KNOW exactly how "anti-human and morally bankrupt" you are!!

Remember the liberal line sweetie... "abortion isn't murder" So projection of your desire to kill others upon us is rather pitiful.

The hit's just keep comming with lie #3

the left wants to help people (living people, that is)

By taking thier choices? Taking their Money? Imposing foolish beliefs upon them? Using Acorn to cheat in elections? Lying? Forcing people to give up the things they enjoy like hunting or smoking? Forcing buisness owners to hire unqualified people and pay them more than they should be paid? Not allow competition for products or services?

Oh PULEEEEZZ... Great mentally retarded one.... Tell me how that is "helping" anybody!!!

and the right wants to.... what?

Expell the disease of liberalism and comunism which has destroyed this great nation.

There is no plan. Or no plan beyond 'make sure that Obama fails no matter what he tries to do, because he is on the other team'

Reduce government, reduce unnedded & ridiculous spending, FOLLOW the constitution, tort reform, term limits, just to name a few. It isn't that we don't have a plan, OUR's just happens to not be the socilaist and communist doctrine that you worship and dream about even though you HAVE NEVER experianced it!!!!

Someday, the GOP will either ditch the hatemongers and join the community of American society.

Ohh look the moron just gave me his answer and definition of "hate monger"

get ready for train cars and work camps, Republicans
Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Che, Fidel, ALL had a 'solution' and look what they did to those that were 'part of the problem' and that's what's in store for you ReThugliKKKans!
we will begin to institute the "Ultimate SOLUTION"

Pretty harsh language and quite threatening from an idiot who said:

And this is acceptable because....?

I REALLY love it when communist cowards like you claim "the left wants to help people" yet you consitently PROVE that your only intent is actually to murder ALL who opose you.

I guess you consider murder, and work camps for those who don't share your warped veiw "helping"

I imagine threatining people who disagree with death is "helping"

I wonder how you will feel when YOUR communist ideals are the very ones that murder all your friends, and family, before sending you off the the camps?

they will continue on the current path, chasing the lowest common denominator, and end up like the Whigs.

Similar in how you chose a lying marxist muslim bent on finacially ruining this nation as your mesiah? Someone who has sourounded himself with the most vile people his entire life? A person who crys like a baby when critisized, and insult friends while congradulating enimies? It sure looks like Odumbo is the "lowest common denominator" in the case of your idiocy.

This is not rocket science people... it is raw math.

Very true, we outnumber you and your communist friends. YOU know it and it terifies you to see your plans failing and being rejected.

Dems are trying to affect change to improve people's lives, and repubs are simply standing in the way saying "no" to everything.

The only "change" you communists are trying to affect is the takeover of this nation, and Yes there are a few Republicans saying NO to it but the American citizens are who you REALLY should be afraid of. WE are going to come for you eventually!!

This is not a sustainable platform.

Funny you should mention how Odumbo admitted his plans were unsustainable and yet he continues to pursue them just as you do.

especially when we have such obvious evidence that the old GOP plan of hands-off-everything, let-the-market-decide has gone SOOO well recently.

Your ignorance and delusion it truly a wonder to behold. Goverment CREATED the problems you idiot!! Government has ALWAYS created the problems. The people didn't write the laws that led to this, or make the rules, they didn't create the beuracratic mess, pay off their special intrest friends, make back room deals.... CONGRESS DID IT!!

If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Based on you delision and inability to comprehend reality it's obvious that:

you are part of the problem

So I guess we should folow your advice:


to institute the "Ultimate SOLUTION"

So I gues YOU should:

get ready for train cars and work camps

Because before long your blind faith in communist ideals will keep you from ever seeing:

what's in store for you


As always with communists, it's ALWAYS threats of violence, force, and legalized theft to achieve their way. Most are far to lazy and ignorant to EVER achieve anything on their own.


Posted by: Michelle at August 24, 2009 4:13 PM

Is this the part where I mention that a reading of that same document values a "negro at 3/5ths of a man"?

I swear, half the problem we have arguing with these useless leftist drones is that we have to educate them. They literally know nothing aside from what they've been taught, and make no efforts to find out whether or not there's more to a story. I've really grown sick of these arrogant little twits.

OK, history lesson, anonymous liberal douchebag. Here's what the Constitution said:

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

1) The document in no way mentions "negroes." It says "all other persons."

2) The CONTEXT is that "all other persons" are to be counted as 3/5 of a person FOR THE PURPOSES OF TAXATION AND CONGRESSIONAL APPORTIONMENT. Not that a "negro was valued as 3/5 of a man."

3) Do you know what that passage I quoted above is called? Of course not. It's the "3/5 Compromise." It was a compromise between the northern states and the southern ones. The southern states wanted "all other persons" (in other words, their slaves) to be counted as one person. The northern states wanted them counted as none. And do you know why? No, of course you don't.

4) It's because counting the slaves as a full person (again, for purposes of congressional apportionment) would result in the southern states having more representatives in congress, and more electoral votes in presidential elections. If slaves had been counted as a full person it would have been far more difficult to prevent gains from being made by slaveholders. The south would have been able to block anti-slavery legislation and win more presidential elections.

5) Had the Compromise not been enacted, it's likely that the Constitution wouldn't have been ratified. It's also likely that there would be no United States... there would either have been two nations where the US is, or (more likely) there would be a collection of small nations, each competing for land, each opposed to others on the moral grounds of slavery. And as new territories opened up, there would have been open warfare. Multiple civil wars. And slavery would have persisted many years longer than it did.

6) The 13th Amendment rendered the point moot, as it superseded the 3/5 Compromise. That's right, moron, things were changed for the better.

Thus ends the lesson, punk. I doubt you'll listen... your type doesn't. You think you know everything you need to know, and thus there's no reason to bother reading anything that doesn't already back up what you believe.

Now shut the hell up, you pathetic cookie-cutter leftist.

Posted by: Evil Otto at August 24, 2009 4:15 PM

Was I asleep when "freedom" changed its meaning to be "ignorance"?

As ignorant as you have shown yourself to be it's quite apparent you ARE not sleeping but delusional and lacking any understanding of basic english. Besides you are the one who keeps changing your names, your positions, your arguments, or anything else when you get questioned.

Nobody is taking away your "freedom".

I'm not "free" to smoke in my favorite bar anymore. Feel free to explain HOW that isn't restricting my freedom. The Owner of the bar and patrons MUST comply or be fined so HOW is that more free to his customers or buisness? I MUST wear a seatbelt or be punished so HOW is that alowing for my personal CHOICE or FREDOM to decide? I am being FORCED to accept "national healthcare" when I don't desire it nor want it, HOW is that "freedom of choice"? Cigarette and alchahol taxes increased to pay for SCHIP wich funds children I DON'T have so EXACTLY how is that FREEDOM oh great retarded one? I pay school taxes for children I don't have so I ASK AGAIN...

HOW IS THAT FREEDOM!!!

I honestly believe YOU are the dumbest and most retarded communist to ever post here!

What part of "you can keep your existing health insurance" is a foreign word in your native language?

What part of It's not you buisness, choice, or decision do YOU not understand!! Who do you think you are? I'm infinately more educated, acomplished, and knowledgable that you and EVERYONE you know combined and that last thing I need is some nitwit like you vainly attempting to tell me how to do anything!

I would, however, postulate that the repubs are trying damned hard to take away everyone else's freedom to effect meaningful change for a better future.

Nice word usage, do you actually feel that throwing a cute phrase like that will impress anyone here? We already know how intelectually bankrupt your ideas are, how self serving your ideals are, and how little respect you have for anyone but the vapid, ignorant snobs you have aspirations of emulating. Beyond being a complete fraud, who knows NOTHING about freedom and WHO has maintained it your allegations are infintile beyond what even an electron microscope could see.

Are we not free to explore the possibilities of a more perfect union?

We have "a more perfect union" currently and have since it's founding. There is no need to follow or "explore the possibilities" regarding the failures of marxism, communisn. and socialism. Only utter fools like you belive we should.

Are we not free to work towards a future wherein everyone has access to the rudiments of heathcare, the power of knowledge, and the idea of a society free from archaism and fear of the future?

Our founders DID that already when they wrote the constitution moron!! They knew what would work and what had failed for centuries. It's truly sad your so uninformed that you can't figure it out.

It is hard to talk about being in favor of freedom when I hear that Texas school boards have removed evolution entirely in favor of magic?

I live in Texas, and have not heard that so it's pretty obvious whomever told you that is a liar. Besides your side has spent YEARS doing everything they can to ensure ANY mention of religion is removed from not only school but our coinage. FREEDOM would mean exposure to both ideas and beliefs but YOU can't possibly allow any disent from your warped veiw. That has got to be the most pathetic attempt at inteligence ever written, by praising ignorance while claiming it's grand.

Do you not see that this sort of republican bullshittery is the exact definition of removing people's freedom to learn and grow?

If you REALLY believed in "learning and growing" you would be in favor of religion and atheism being taugh so people could adopt whichever they choose. Sadly you have such little faith in your own beliefs that you MUST ensure only one theory is taught to protect your inhearant idiocy. You know your belief in global warming is an utter fraud so it compels you to restrict and defame anyone who disagrees with it. Is that "learning and growing" dimwit? Your premise is so fraught with idiocy it's completely astounding!

Your 'freedom' just means 'I wanna keep my head in the sand and pretend that nothing is ever changing'.

Why do you communists ALWAYS try to play word games and change the definition of EVERYTHING? Freedom has always meant ONE thing to Americans, LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!

Get out of my bar, my buisness, my bedroom, my church, my school, MY HEALTHCARE, my kitchen, my car, my gun store, and many other things that you seek to control because your own life is so pitiful and devoid of meaning.

Sop there you go. Parse the word 'freedom' any way you like...

Because you are so devoid in inteligence:

Freedom: is the right to act according to ones will without being held up by the power of others. From a philosophical point of view, it can be defined as the capacity to determine your own choices. It can be defined negatively as an absence of subordination, servitude and constraint.

NOW you know what it means!! It's a pity you don't suscribe to it, but thats alright eventually when you fall prey to your own stupidity you will wish you had valued it more.

just be aware that not everyone thinks the word 'freedom' is a synonym for 'stupidity' or 'apathy'.

Only communists like you do that.

As such, I will continue to vote democrat, support Obama, and make fun of the luddites and jesus-freaks, ad infinitum.

Which only proves once again that you have little value for "learning and growing" beyond the marxist programing your masters have lead you to embrace. Enjoy being a knowledgless vegatable who needs others to provide for you because you lack the inteligence to make anything of yourself beyond what some other idiot decides for you.

And be damned glad I have the FREEDOM to support the smart people, regardless of how many sheeple get lost in the lies.

Well you certainly do have the "freedom" to blindly follow other fools but just like them you will regret it much to late. Befrending theives and liars eventually will lead to pain and suffering but your to stupid to know it.

Posted by: Michelle at August 24, 2009 5:48 PM

So give up your freedom people, or old folks will die!

It's for the children!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 24, 2009 7:36 PM

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