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Democrats plan to go it alone on Health Care

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/health/policy/19repubs.html?_r=1&hp

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/18/AR2009081803655_pf.html

AARP is going the way of CNN and PMSNBC ...

American Seniors Association is going the way of Fox News

I wonder how many of the rank and file members would truely be welcome in that opulent AARP building. My guess would be very few.

I thought everyone was leaving AARP because Bret Farve un-retired again and they want to be just like him.

The AARP has never been anything more than just one more leftist organization! Any gun owner know that.

Check President

"I thought everyone was leaving AARP because Bret Farve un-retired again and they want to be just like him."
Ha! Nice!

That was more like an ASA paid commercial considering the info not mentioned. I understand that facts and relevance have no place here but just to let you know:

1) AARP is 35 million strong. About 1% dropping each month due to death or failing to renew is normal.
2) While about 60K members canceled, AAPR also renewed about 1.5 million and signed up about 400K since July.
3) Those cut up cards that supposedly represented some mass disapproval was a promotion from ASA offering a free year of membership to anyone sending them in. It's on their Americanseniors.org
website.
4)Groups such as the American Family Association have urged its members to call AARP in protest. Most callers were never even members of AARP.
5)The elderly have always been targets and easy prey for scam artist. It only stands to reason that some bought into the corporate sponsored and GOP "death panels/killing grandma" fear mongering.

So, andy, do you have any kind of evidence that those opposed to ObamaCare are actually "corporate sponsored" in the sense of receiving checks from actual corporations? Or is that just another baseless left-wing talking point you're parroting?

Because, frankly, I've never received a check or even so much as an email from any corporation for opposing ObamaCare. In fact... because the individual mandates from ObamaCare amount to a government edict to purchase more expensive insurance... most of the big insurance companies quietly support it, knowing their competitors will be driven out of business by the individual mandates. The executives of these companies expect the alligator to eat them last and to be golden parachuted into retirement long before that happens.

But, in any case, I would really like to see some proof that opposition to ObamaCare is corporate sponsored.

Hey Andy42302 how come your site doesn't exist? Is it like your BS arguments - nothing really there?

It does however appear that David Axelrod was on the take from drug companies. Didn't lefties throw a hissy-fit about allegations that Cheney was on the take from Halliburton? But Axelrod gets a pass because he's under the glow of Dear Leader's halo?

VK, you're spinning. I simply called this thread out for what it is--nonsense. AARP's doing fine vrs the "massive exodus" implied.

The corporate funding issue is as old as the death panel bs. No one here will except facts so there's no need in me wasting time. As a rule, you don't engage in debate but rather you throw a rock and run, leaving it to the trolls to drown out any conversation with rhetoric. There's no reason for me to debate with folks that alternate planets that they live on.

Fact- Big Insurance as spent $ millions fighting HR3200
Fact-There's nothing in HR300 promoting euthanasia in any form.
Fact-AARP is still strong.

so 60,000 is the "average" membership loss aar(l)p sustains every month? makes one wonder why usa today among other "rags" decided to go to print with it?

I'm of that vintage age where I'm on AARP's mailing list. I usually just toss any mailings I receive from them in the trash can. Next time, in the postage paid "business reply" envelope, I'll mail them a menu from a local Chinese restaurant, (free delivery!) just to yank their chain. Perhaps I'll include a note requesting them to remove my name from their mailing list.

clingtomygunssaid it well:

"AARP is going the way of CNN and PMSNBC ...

American Seniors Association is going the way of Fox News"

Graycat, I use their postage envelope to send them everything they do NOT want to see and I have done so for years until I forbade them to ever mail to my home again. I have been AARP for a year now.

ASA lines have been on overload for days. Their websites look ...uh...Patriotic American. AARP has never been an option because of their cowardly support of mass murder of babies. Neither organization has a damn thing I need but I'll consider joining ASA just to slap AARP in the face.

http://aarp.convio.net/site/DocServer/myth-ad3b.pdf?docID=581

The lady from AARP is lying.
See above link. AARP is in bed with the Dems on the health care "reform" plan.

I guess it was too much to expect andy to admit that corporations are not paying people to oppose ObamaCare. But the taunt of "I'm not going to give you any facts because you wouldn't believe them anyway" is, frankly, juvenile. We all know if there really were proof, it would be all over the left-wing blogs and the MSM (which are largely indistinguishable from left-wing blogs).

Next time, just say the dog ate your homework, okay buddy?

VK, you surmise that because you haven't personally received a check, we can all deduce that Big Insurance endorses public option and health care reform? And you further base this theory on Etna, Cigna, BCBS, et al are going to choke a few mom and pop insurance out of business and all will be cool. And we're to defy what's been obviously reported and proven over and over again because, well, because you say it's so? And then, I'm guilty of ignorance because I presented facts disclaiming Moonbattery's bullshit about the effect on AARP while choosing not to engage in your spin of nonsense?

By the way, "massive exodus"? Get real! Your malarkey has been called out. AAPR's numbers are fine, people recieved a free year for sending in cut up AARP cards, and most of the call ins to AARP were from nonmembers. Those are the facts, regardless of what you believe on other issues.

Are you really meh or that other dope anonymous?
Who uses the word "malarkey" any more? You seem to be blaming Moonbattery for the story on AARP, but wasn't it CBS News that did the report?
Why are you communists always so angry? Too many questions that can't be answered.

Nice try at changing the subject, andy of little-letters. But it doesn't provide any proof to your allegation that corporations are paying people to protest ObamaCare.

BTW, if you read closely, you'll not I never took issue with your alternate explanation of the loss of AARP members. Maybe you didn't notice that because you're, you know, dumb.

A couple of point Mr Few Words, I said that it looked more like a paid commercial, referencing CBS. It was moonbattery that says "Seniors are catching on that the AARP puts left-wing politics well ahead of the interests of its members" and "Infuriated seniors are defecting to the conservative alternative, American Seniors Association". I can go along with that assuming Van means 2 or more. But that's not the implication now is it?

You start your response with an admission that you don't even know who you're talking to. You're equally clueless in your rhetorical "communists" question you concluded with.

andy I started my response by accusing you of being one of them. For all I know, you are. As far as the communist thing, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck..... you know the rest, duck.

If you want to live in socialism, there are many choices on this planet where you could go. The fact that you stay here just proves what a hypocrite you are. Why do you want to screw up the greatest country in the history of the world?

Really VK, it's you that's determined to change the subject, not I. The only thing I touched on pertaining to corporate funding was:

"The elderly have always been targets and easy prey for scam artist. It only stands to reason that some bought into the corporate sponsored and GOP "death panels/killing grandma" fear mongering."

If I erred on anything, it was that I omitted FOX News.

If you notice btw, I'm not saying that these scared elderly are being paid to be scared. I'm saying there's a bigger driver. Aside from disclosures from Wendell Potter, Freedomworks, Rick Scott, Bob MacGuffie's tutorial, and the list goes on and on, looking at lawmakers for and against heath reform, who gets the most Big Insurance backing?

But hell VK, I'll just concede on it anyways as that wasn't my main point and lord knows, you wingnuts will dive at any distraction you can find when you're wrong. So I'll just be a big boy and say you win. Considering how folks on your side win at will here, no big deal anyway.

But I did notice you didn't take issue on my point. That's easy to understand.

Few Words, I agree that anyone can post under countless names and my suspicion of it is pretty high. So, we don't know.

I challenge you to explain how you've deduced that I'm a communist. While you're at it, look up the word "hypocrisy".

And there is still zero proof of any sort of corporate sponsorship of the "death panels/killing grandma" fear mongering.

I suppose V the K, that opposing sides could argue that there's no political favoritism in FOX News or in MSNBC. They could argue that there's no concrete and authenticated proof that either is anything other than fair, balanced and adhere to strictly deliver news without invoking an opinion. But sometimes people just use common sense. Seeing is often believing, especially when it's right in your face and you can give example after example after example.

But hat tip for finding a discrepancy, even though I've already conceded to it along with the fact that it did nothing discredit my point.

Here is my view on the subject:

http://www.elderguru.com/aarp-versus-american-seniors-association-asa-and-the-health-care-debate/

If anything, the ASA's presence will help promote dialogue and diversity of views.