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Your going to see it on Andy, Anonypussy, Turd of Wellstone and every other nut-licking Leftard Oabmunist lemming's new uniform in the VERY near future.

VH

That last line, while I know you're saying that they think we're useless, I would more word it like:

Ending the lives of the (working) useful, while prolonging the lives of the useless... (recipients, victims, welfare, etc.)

by the way, the similarity is scary stuff.

I think the Obamunist graphic is better because it includes zombies.

The caduceus (that wings-and-snakes symbol-thing, for the 'conservatives' in the room lacking classical education) was the staff of Iris, messenger of Hera. Thousands of years before either Obama or hitler. It is now the symbol of the medical profession, and has been the symbol of the US Army Medical Corps since 1902. (1902 is also before hitler and obama, in case we are keeping track of how many things you have to NOT KNOW in order to make your comparison meaningful...)

If you are going to make irrelevant, stupid comparisons... please at least figure out how TIME works, first?

I am literally embarrassed on your behalf. That's just powerful stupid... aren't you sooo proud to be the captain of this ship of fools?

Wow anonopussy is getting testy. We are just pointing out that odumbos new logo is very similiar to the design of the third Reich emblem.

This must be what Nancy Pelosi meant by seeing "swastikas" at townhall meetings.

No, the similarity could not be more moronic. Obama, his administration, and the Democrats, are not Nazis. George Bush, his administration, and the Republicans, were not Nazis. Neither were anything, nor, god willing, will any American President be anything close. Such a comparison is the biggest slur possible to the MILLIONS who were killed in that conflict.

The point you're trying to make, that under "Obamacare", healthcare would be rationed, is a valid. I would personally argue that healthcare is rationed now, with the uninsured serving the role of "useless eaters" who are not given medical care. However, I would not argue it by comparing holders of that view point to Nazis. If you think your position is SO weak that you must immediately make the jump to 1940s Germany every time you seek to make a point, then maybe it's time to give up?

The fact is that we spend vastly more money on medical care than any other industrialized nation, and yet get worse results. Our life-expectancy is lower, are infant mortality higher. We have higher instances of sicknesses such as cancer and heart disease. Centralized healthcare systems have also proved far more adept at managing the spread of swine flu than our disjointed system.

The fact is that we spend vastly more money on medical care than any other industrialized nation, and yet get worse results.

Not True.

1. Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers.

2. Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians.

3. Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries.

4. Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians.

5. Lower-income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians.

6. Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the United Kingdom.

7. People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed.

8. Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians.

9. Americans have better access to important new technologies such as medical imaging than do patients in Canada or Britain.

10. Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations.

Looks like somebody knows how to use Wikipedia.

"This staff was first borne by Iris, the messenger of Hera."

"The U.S. Army Medical Corps Branch Plaque. The 1902 adoption of the caduceus for U.S. Army medical officer uniforms popularized the symbol throughout the medical field in the US."

Anybody going to take a stab at explaining how time works? It's an interesting question for both science and philosophy.

forest, I can look things up too:

According to an article by self-described New York Times "language maven" William Safire, the term was first used by science fiction author Robert A. Heinlein in 1947.[1] Heinlein used the term in a 1947 short story, "Space Jockey," as the name of the third stage of a rocket bound for the moon. Descriptions of bat-like people on the moon were part of the 1835 Great Moon Hoax. One explanation for the current political use is that the term was derived from the name of liberal author George Monbiot.

Anonofool doesnt get its not the medical symbol caduceus, its the way its arranged with the Obama logo making it resemble the Nazi symbol.

When I made the comment the other day, I was just struck by the similarity between the emblem on stage when Hitler spoke, with the rays of light streaming from the emblem of the Reich. All the posted German emblem needs is the streaming lights to make it VERY similar to the new Moonbat Messiah Medical symbology.

I guess "the one's" affinity for grecian temples and superior-appearing symbology is nothing new.

The caduceus (that wings-and-snakes symbol-thing, for the 'conservatives' in the room lacking classical education) was the staff of Iris, messenger of Hera. Thousands of years before either Obama or hitler. It is now the symbol of the medical profession.

Good point. And the swastika was a religious symbol that was also around thousands of years before either Obama or Hitler. So I guess it's cool too.

I take your point, but you have to admit there is an unfortunate similarity.

You know, it's not so much that Obama = Hitler it's that the Obama Machine uses the same techniques of both National and International Socialist movements to achieve their ends.

Leftards always accused GWB of having the same intentions as Nazis and fascists, even though history has already proven otherwise, but the fact remains that Obama and his lemmings actually use the same techniques as Nazis, fascists and communists in spreading their ideology.

Here's an example of the image:

http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blhitler7.htm

Scary stuff!

this "endless campaign" of obama is very offensive, since when does a president maintain an organization with which to lobby for his policies, and further send out messages to said organization encouraging "counter protests" in support of his health care boondoggle, i don't want to be accused by some hysterical anonymous commenter of a myopic view of history and time, but i can't help but equate "organizing for america" with the SS, hitler youth, gestapo etc, again i could be a little narrow in my view of past events, i didn't realize obama was now utilizing ancient egyptian symbols, so is obama more like khufu than hitler, is that the point, so we should be REALLY worried about being conscripted to build pyramids? i'm confused, but on one thing i'm clear, obama is bad for america.

so much pointless fear... how many of you have actually been killed by obama's 'secret police'? how many of you are, right this moment, working as obama's slaves in a salt mine? how many of your children are committing atrocities in the streets in the name of obama?

come the deuce on. dont you ever get sick of being scared of literally everything you encounter? if you all really think obama is going to turn us into some bizzare, tv-movie facist oligarchy... i recommend you move to another country! (don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out...)

The little letter people (person?) are really worked up today, LOL.

Anonypussy, how many of us have you reported to the White House 'fag' er 'flag'?

this is exactly what i mean. not only would i not 'report' you (im genuinely curious about how the free-from-data mindset works) but there is no one to report you TO!

Do you really think that there is some secret cabal out there someplace giving a shit about the opinions of the sheeple?

Why are all these anonymous tools supporting a trillion dollar plan that won't work? Is it just because Obama supports it, and they have to, too?

since when does a president maintain an organization with which to lobby for his policies, and further send out messages to said organization encouraging "counter protests" in support of his health care boondoggle

weewilly at August 6, 2009 9:52 AM

Oh that would be yesterday afternoon!
Message from the President: "This is the moment our movement was built for."
By Christopher Hass - Aug 5th, 2009 at 3:15 pm EDT
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/obamaforamerica/gGMPYf

so much pointless fear... how many of you have actually been killed by obama's 'secret police'? how many of you are, right this moment, working as obama's slaves in a salt mine? how many of your children are committing atrocities in the streets in the name of obama?
Posted by: Anonymous at August 6, 2009 10:02 AM

so the litmus test of malignant government is having friends/family suffer such outrages? the qualifier "right this moment" is priceless, you imply a future where such things may be commonplace, forgive me if i complain BEFORE i am fully enslaved, these libs obviously subscribe to the "slow-boil" method of insinuating their agenda, and V i resent being "grouped" in with these lower life-forms because i prefer lower-case :P

"Why are all these anonymous tools supporting a trillion dollar plan that won't work?"

Who says it won't work? Medicare does. Social Security does. They provide exactly the services for which they were designed.

And it will SAVE money in the long term. I know us lib'ruls are apparently the only ones capable of thinking farther ahead than the next beer or the next nascar race, but if you actually read about how healthy people cost less in health care costs (like magic!)... it might just jog something loose in your brain.

I support reforming a crappy system. and you... fear what you don't understand. an interesting set of circumstances, to be sure.

"Who says it won't work? Medicare does. Social Security does. They provide exactly the services for which they were designed."

So does a Ponzi Scheme - for a while.

Who says it won't work? Medicare does. Social Security does. They provide exactly the services for which they were designed.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 6, 2009 10:37 AM

these programs work? could you please elaborate on what "work" means, a link showing the "success" these programs are would be awesome, would love to see (since you libs are sooo "forward-thinking") what the future has in store for these programs, inquiring minds would like to know. to think that emulating SS and MediCare was the path to utopia, so simple, maybe us backwards hicks needs ta read sum mah bookz.

Seriously? short answer: SS was designed to decrease poverty among the elderly. result: decreased poverty among the elderly. medicare: insure those for whom insurance is difficult/impossible. another 'social contract'. result: insurance for those difficult (financially or otherwise)/impossible cases. they work, in the narrowly defined confines of their goals. and every one of those demented old-timers who were whining about public healthcare still gets their social security check... and they are all on medicare.

How 'bout this: we take away all of their 'socialist' benefits. no more social security. no more medicare. (for that matter, no more alaskans getting free $ from oil companies every year). no more VA hospitals.

Whaddya bet they arent't going to be quite so happy without their 'socialism'? think they would all be intellectually consistent and just happily let it all go? (i do not. they would riot. and you know it. they LOVE 'socialism', they just aren't smart enough to know it!)

for every one of those old coots complaining about things beyond their understanding, there beats the heart of someone who would throw a FIT if the gub'mint missed a single social security payment...

Is there anyone here who really doesn't know this stuff?

these programs work? could you please elaborate on what "work" means,

If you mean, have unbelievable levels of fraud (Medicare) and "will be completely broke before I am anywhere near retirement age" (Social Security) and "require constant tax increases" then, yeah, those program work pretty well.

Obama's already added a trillion dollars to the national debt. How much more socialism can we afford?

Seriously? short answer: SS was designed to decrease poverty among the elderly. result: decreased poverty among the elderly. medicare: insure those for whom insurance is difficult/impossible. another 'social contract'. result: insurance for those difficult (financially or otherwise)/impossible cases. they work, in the narrowly defined confines of their goals. and every one of those demented old-timers who were whining about public healthcare still gets their social security check... and they are all on medicare.

How 'bout this: we take away all of their 'socialist' benefits. no more social security. no more medicare. (for that matter, no more alaskans getting free $ from oil companies every year). no more VA hospitals.

Whaddya bet they arent't going to be quite so happy without their 'socialism'? think they would all be intellectually consistent and just happily let it all go? (i do not. they would riot. and you know it. they LOVE 'socialism', they just aren't smart enough to know it!)

for every one of those old coots complaining about things beyond their understanding, there beats the heart of someone who would throw a FIT if the gub'mint missed a single social security payment...

Is there anyone here who really doesn't know this stuff?

"Who says it won't work?"

Economist Arthur Laffer. Who I am guessing is rather more intelligent than an anonymous Obama shill.

According to research I performed for the Texas Public Policy Foundation, a $1 trillion increase in federal government health subsidies will accelerate health-care inflation, lead to continued growth in health-care expenditures, and diminish our economic growth even further. Despite these costs, some 30 million people will remain uninsured.

Implementing Mr. Obama’s reforms would literally be worse than doing nothing.

Whaddya bet they arent't going to be quite so happy without their 'socialism'? think they would all be intellectually consistent and just happily let it all go? (i do not. they would riot. and you know it. they LOVE 'socialism', they just aren't smart enough to know it!)
Posted by: Anonymous at August 6, 2009 10:57 AM

this charming troll is starting to "blossom" into a raving marxist ideologue (think obama in a straight-jacket). his point, such as it is, is that "people demand government checks!", at least we can agree that SS and its ilk are "socialist", what he fails to do is present the future costs of such "success", he uses the same logic a heroin addict does, he "needs" it and he'll suffer without it, but in the real world we would wean these people off the public dole, the harsh transition you represent is patently false, real reform would establish some cut-off age like anyone over 40 doesnt get SS and we attempt to pay off the debts with other methods, giving the people control over their own destiny without being a government dependent in the future you posit.

Who says it won't work? Medicare does. Social Security does. They provide exactly the services for which they were designed.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 6, 2009 10:37 AM

They're going bankrupt. Not only that but all of the billions that have been used to fund them is money taken out of the private sector which quite rightfully should have gone to savings and capital for the investment and growth of the economy and thus make all of our lives better. What your government boondoggles do is funnel money out of private investments. It's like a farmer who would take his stockseed that he needs for future crops and eating it rather than planting it.

But then I'm just full of fear and don't have the same sophisticated understanding of things that you have you pompus prick, Anonymous.

That's an interesting analogy, wee-willy. Social Security and Medicare "work" in the same sense that heroin "works," it fulfills it's intended purpose, even as it weakens and bankrupts you.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 6, 2009 11:14 AM

That was me.

Anon if you look up the statistics healthy people are much more expensive to take care of then unhealthy people. You see unhealthy people tend to die off earlier than healthy people thus shortening the need for long term care.

so i suppose that all of you are willing, right now, to write to the government and forego any and all claims to future soc. sec money and medicare benefits? after all, they are 'socialist' and 'evil'....

I have planned my finances such that when soc sec goes away, I will not need it. but how many of those red-state voting hillfolk are entirely dependent on their 'socialism' to prevent literal starvation and destitution? it is a non-trivial number... and not getting any smaller anytime soon.

Is your solution here to let them die? (OK, i guess... but i thought the 'social conservative' folks were all up in arms about god... something about inherent right to life, and all that... )

There is no consistency to the arguments against this stuff. either give up all your evil 'socialist' benefits (and everyone else's too, of course) or stop whining and start being part of the solution.

Anon I will forego all the above as long as the government gives me back the money I have paid into those programs. I can invest alot better than the government can.

And now anonycommie is stuck in a loop about social security and medicare. I guess he ran out of talking points.

FWIW, I don't expect social security or medicare to be around when I retire. If the best example of a successful socialist program the left can come up with are a pair of bankrupt Ponzi schemes... I'm not really persuaded.

The Government got into cash for clunkers, destroys thousands of perfectly functional cars, hands out money (borrowed from China) for people to buy cars they don't need, half of the money goes to foreign car makers, and the cost of the program triples... that's what a Government program looks like.

This stupid Obama symbol of the red and white stripes will someday repalce the swastika. I wish I had the time to write about all the paralleld between Chairman Mao-bama and Hitler. It is scary.

CONCENTRATION CAMPS,WORK CAMPS,GAS CHAMBERS AND THE FURNACES FOR CREAMTING THE BODIES OF THE INMATES. IS OBAMA THE ANTICHRIST?

We are forced to pay into them, genius. We don't have a choice.

Why is this guy on here? Does he seriously think he's going to get converts? Why is he too stupid to pick a name? I'm renewing my policy of not reading anything signed by Anonymous.

"Anon I will forego all the above as long as the government gives me back the money I have paid into those programs. I can invest alot better than the government can."

OK, but are you willing to condemn the literally millions who would be forced into desititution as a result of that decision? social contract people... this is a 'society', remember? And i bet you are anti-abortion... but once they are alive... screw 'em. right?

and WOW... "CONCENTRATION CAMPS,WORK CAMPS,GAS CHAMBERS AND THE FURNACES FOR CREAMTING THE BODIES OF THE INMATES. IS OBAMA THE ANTICHRIST?"

i trust that is a joke, right? People like that are the EXACT reason us lib'ruls tend to lump all conservatives under the heading "bat$hit insane"...

Why is this guy on here?

Just another Axelrod Astroturfer.

As far as I can see it, most all of the circumstances that existed in Europe and particularly, Germany, in the twenties and early thirties are evident in our country today.
Are we seeing the rise of National Socialism take two?

Anondumbass I said "I" would forego those things if the government would give me back the money I was forced to give them. I am willing to take that challenge. I didn't say anything about anyone else and your question was directed at ME. That's singular by the way. The boys at MIT must be really proud of you.

Why is this guy on here? Does he seriously think he's going to get converts? Why is he too stupid to pick a name? I'm renewing my policy of not reading anything signed by Anonymous.

C'mon, Karin, he's gotta earn a living, just like Ghost of Heidi Fleiss. And who else would hire them but Axelrod? It's like they have the skills, intellect, or personality to work at Starbucks.

Jay I was thinking more along the lines of restroom technician at McDonalds.

i'd be willing to forfeit any claim to monies payed in by myself if the outcome would be the end of social security, i assume that would be everyone's "sacrifice" under 40 years of age and to my mind an acceptable cost to wind this boondoggle down. realistically the unfunded liability will demand further sacrifice by us even if we do shut it down, but these moonbats suggest we fashion yet ANOTHER entitlement in the mold of the present ones, and frames it as "reform".

Actually, some of the paid bloggers are good for sites like this. There are many things we know almost intuitively, based on observation + experience + reason and so on, that we don't articulate.
When the blogger drops in, it becomes necessary to reduce those intuitions to print; it forces explanation instead of a vote; it sharpens thought.

So let's see... just because medicare and social security haven't crashed yet we should go balls-to-the-wall implementing similar programs. That makes, um, what was that... sense? Or something like it, uh.... I remember, NO SENSE AT ALL. That's the ticket.

check out these GREAT reasons to turn yourself in if you're THINKING something fishy's up with obamadinejadcare!

so i suppose that all of you are willing, right now, to write to the government and forego any and all claims to future soc. sec money and medicare benefits? after all, they are 'socialist' and 'evil'....

Note Larry's "gotcha" here. First, hint that we wouldn't be willing to give up claims to SS and Medicare benefits. And when someone speaks up and says, "Yes, I'd be willing," Larry drops the other shoe:

OK, but are you willing to condemn the literally millions who would be forced into desititution as a result of that decision? social contract people... this is a 'society', remember?

So basically, it's his position that we conservatives should give up benefits but STILL PAY TAXES FOR THESE PROGRAMS. Well, to be more precise, his position is "shut up and take your government money."

Larry, your faith in the system is touching, but Social Security and Medicare are going bankrupt, as all pyramid schemes eventually do. The baby boomers neglected to have as many children as their parents did, and thus there are fewer people paying into the system for more retired people. There is simply no way to pay for all the services the government is on the hook for, so massive cuts are coming. Personally, I'd rather just keep my money and use it as I see fit.

Jay I was thinking more along the lines of restroom technician at McDonalds.

Yep, that or towel boy in a bathhouse.

Actually, some of the paid bloggers are good for sites like this. There are many things we know almost intuitively, based on observation + experience + reason and so on, that we don't articulate.
When the blogger drops in, it becomes necessary to reduce those intuitions to print; it forces explanation instead of a vote; it sharpens thought.

Posted by: Jim at August 6, 2009 1:51 PM

unfortunately these commenters are paid per post, not based on the coherence/persuasiveness of their arguments, so it's a big fail for the people who fund these maroons and it does little to further hone the right's monopoly of reason/logic, i will allow that it DOES keep the overwhelming ignorance of our opponents on display.

anon - social security won't even be there for those of u.s. who've paid in our share when it comes time to retire - moot point - they are bankrupt - people are paying into a bottomless pit.

You know what none of the trolls are able to do? Explain exactly *how* ObamaCare will deliver better health care, at no additional cost, and no rationing.

It's easy for us on the right to explain how that combination is doomed to fail using basic economics, historical experience, and common sense.

It's *impossible* to explain how ObamaCare *would* work, unless you believe in Magic Unicorns that fart miracles.

I thought Magic unicorns shit Skittles...

Maybe anonydipstick can explain how healthcare gets better when you insert 8-12 million illegals into the system? With the attendant interpreters necessary, and advocates for said illegals? After all, it's not like anyone is ever kept waiting in the doctor's office nowadays, right? And, I think we all know who will be "more equal" after obama non-care starts.

Personally, I'd rather just keep my money and use it as I see fit.

Reported...terrorist.

Actually, some of the paid bloggers are good for sites like this. There are many things we know almost intuitively, based on observation + experience + reason and so on, that we don't articulate. When the blogger drops in, it becomes necessary to reduce those intuitions to print; it forces explanation instead of a vote; it sharpens thought.Posted by: Jim at August 6, 2009 1:51 PM
Which is exactly why yesterday I told him/her/it to present its case "in all seriousness", and all we got in return was a transparent talking-point mockery of opponents of the DNC. Apparently anyone who isn't on board with the grandiose plans of our Dear Chairman are obviously Repub-ReThug-ReDub-licans who are nothing more than uneducated rednecks who drink cheap beer and watch Nascar, while whining about things we should just STFU about and accept, while the more-"educated" and enlightened progressive hack who doesn't have the stones to dissent on the grounds of common sense makes decisions for our benefit and tells what what a bunch of stupid hicks and delusional wackos we are.
Recognize "Anonymous", that not every poster on this site is willing to place an (R) after their name, thank you very much, and that the citizenry of this country- genuinely-do not think this plan will work.

You may want to look at it again. It looks even more like the symbol of the United States Marine Corps.

It is obvious that to be a Liberal one must be either evil or a fool

There's an even scarier similarity between the Nazi symbol posted above and America's Department of State Eagle symbol!
Oh...wait a minute...
Now, don't you see how silly it is to compare images like this?

For the record, the caduceus looks only vaguely like that Nazi symbol. Honestly, that attempt at similarity was just pathetic. Almost comical, to tell you the truth.

The caduceus is a medical symbol, used by many hospitals, and would logically be used in a healthcare plan logo. Why must you see conspiracies in everything?

I hate to point this out but the flyflot cross - otherwise known as a swastika is a symbol used in both christianity & hinduism. Try doing some research first before comparing symbols.

I don't know what it is with you americans & your search for conspiracies everywhere.

e.g. proctor & gamble logo [remember that one], an imperfection on a coin which was said to resemble the hammer & sickle & now this.

Just think for a minute. If anyone really did have a totalitarian agenda do you really think they'd draw attention to it by creating symbols which advertise the fact? Sheesh!