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As a Briton I am offically calling for the overthow of the government. If Plod wants to arrest me, Im in Salford, Manchester, so be sure to come in with a sizable Armoured Regiment of MBT's.

I still have memory of the fears of the Red Army marching in the streets of Western Europe. They did not materialize. The Soviet Union mercifully collapsed, freeing the West of its threat. (Yes, I know there are many people who say Putin's Russia is little different from the old Soviet Union, and they have good points, but today's Russia is in it for pure undisguised kleptomania rather than "heaven-on-earth" Marxist ideology.)

Never did I imagine the threat to exist, much less to come to fruition, after the fall of the Soviet Union. I think a lot of us from the U.S.S.R. days were so fixated on invasion armies stomping on freedom that we couldn't get our heads around the idea that the danger from within was far greater. But that's exactly what we're seeing now.

Tangentially (but not wildly so), I think this is a good answer to those who claim, "The likelihood of Islamist troops marching on Washington is nil." As an invasion army, I agree; but they don't need to be an invasion army. By demography, by working our legal systems ("hate crime" legislation anyone?) and with the bonus of an Islamocommie president at the helm, the Islamic threat, just like the Marxist one, can hijack a country without firing a single shot.

The price of freedom is, indeed, eternal vigil.

Everyone knows whats in ROOM 101.

But, trust me, you DO NOT want to know what is in ROOM 102. Ok, its just a broom closet with broom, mops and buckets. But you absolutely DO NOT want to know what is in ROOM 222.

i have always found it interesting that 'conservatives' oppose abortion vehemently... but then when those clearly unfit parents actually have the kids, you are all strangely silent on the problems associated with said crappy parenting. Is this a great solution? (No... i would obviously have preferred those people not to exist in the first place)... but it is indeed SOMETHING proactive to try and gather data about problem families.

The argument is intellectually inconsistent if all you do is complain... what would your SOLUTION be to improve these lives?

i would obviously have preferred those people not to exist in the first place

Yeah, like my two adopted foster sons. You probably wish they had had their brains scrambled in the womb.

Jerk.

Big brother is alive and well and living in england DOQN WITH BIG BROTHER

Anonymous

A society that accepts abortion fosters dehumanization of kids. Their would be less abuse if society weren't so sick that many believe murdering your own child is OK. The fact that some parents abuse their kids does not make it acceptable for other parents to murder theirs.

Airstrip One also gives tickets to kids climbing trees in park, so just another drop in the river of British tyrany.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203978/Boy-9-left-terrified-PCSO-reprimands-climbing-tree-holiday.html

A society that accepts abortion fosters dehumanization of kids. Their would be less abuse if society weren't so sick that many believe murdering your own child is OK.

Exactly. The whole attitude that sexual gratification counts above all other values is a highly destructive force against a humane, compassionate society.

As I understand it, 400 million pounds does not include the massive amount of manpower it will take to monitor these 20,000 cameras. But at least the employment picture in the UK is looking better.

that's your solution? outlawing abortion will solve the problem of unfit/unready/unsafe parents? wow is that nonsense...

as far as foster homes and such... do you have any idea how overwhelmed they are already (you may, having been a part of the process...)? no home with 17 kids in a constant state of flux can possibly be the same as a real, stable 'nuclear' family with 2 parents who are emotionally, financially, and spiritually ready to have kids. and if they arent... NO KIDS! this is really simple math here guys... you just need to get over the 'every sperm is sacred' crap. there is no intrinsic value to just creating more and more people all willy-nilly. none. this is, in fact, the source of all of a huge number of these problems. fewer people, in more stable environments, results in... FEWER PROBLEMS. does that not follow from the math?

fewer people, in more stable environments, results in... FEWER PROBLEMS. does that not follow from the math?
Ahh another Hitler "final solution" fan I see.

Anonymous cleanly illustrates how the left sees people not as valued individuals, but as statistics. Well done.

The argument is intellectually inconsistent if all you do is complain... what would your SOLUTION be to improve these lives?

A modest proposal for a long term solution: put monitoring cameras in the homes of all liberals. That way Americans can make sure that the liberals aren't screwing up their country any further.

OK with you?

You are just never, no way, no how going to convince decent people that murdering inconvenient children in the womb is acceptable.

Even abused kids deserve to live.

Anytime someone approaches a problem as if they actually want to SOLVE it, the right wing comes crashing down. Math (statistics) is a factual, controllable, and repeatable source of DATA. ("Reality has a well-known liberal bias"...)

I make no moral judgements about these things, I simply see data points. And if more people thought like that there would be far fewer problems. I can already hear the erroneous comparisons to hitler and satan and whatever else; they are and will be incorrect. thre is no malice, there is only data. until a workable solution to major downstream problems emerges that does not rely on jesus-based magic or vague statements about freedom and liberty... you are not part of any solution.

When it comes to crunch time, you need to "lead, follow, or get out of the way"... Present a feasible option that would result in real-world betterment and you can talk. Otherwise... get out of the way. or you can keep complaining, of course... i notice a penchant for that approach around these parts.

I make no moral judgements about these things, I simply see data points.

Josef Mengele couldn't have said it better.

If the baby is so inconvinent, why did'nt you use a condom?

There are two things to do, one, unfortuantly is abortion, but the other is ADOPTION. You dont want your baby, there is always someone out there who wants one.

Choose life, your baby would.

Now what if the little boogers masturbate instead of doing their homework?
Or worse yet, what if they don't? That's bloody unhealthy, isn't it?
So, what's a proper number of times for a young man to wank off each day? Surely the government must know! There must be a table somewhere! A masturbation bell curve! At 10 boys do it, on average .2 times per day. At 11, .5, at 12 twice, it peaks at 3 at 13 yo and begins to fall since young men at 14 are encouraged to fuck at least once per day at school.
An unrelated but interesting stat learned from this surveillance is that men married more than 3 years, given a choice mind you, would rather have a good wank than shag the ol'lady.

"Josef Mengele couldn't have said it better."

see how that is in no way a constructive statement? thus the eternal conundrum; some people are aware that problems can be solved, others simply see problems. if you don't like my solution... PROPOSE ANOTHER ONE.

All the whining and name-calling completely berefit of solutions is exactly why i and those like me are so condescending in our contempt for the social conservative movement. anybody can spend their life bitching about things they do not understand (we call these people 'conservatives'). some are capable of seeing answers (we call these people 'progressives').

prove me wrong, gentlemen. come up with a valid, meaningful way to solve a problem for once (without vague platitudes about 'freedom' and without invoking jesus-magic) and i will be here to listen...

"If the baby is so inconvinent, why did'nt you use a condom?"

I thought the jesus-based crowd was supposed to fear and despise such rational behavior..? if the religion/sicoal-conservative crowd would get behind comprehensive sex ed and condom distribution, maybe we wouldnt be having ths conversation. but, since they aren't, we are... part of the problem or part of the solution here gents.

which is, of course, my point.

When it comes to crunch time, you need to "lead, follow, or get out of the way"... Present a feasible option that would result in real-world betterment and you can talk. Otherwise... get out of the way. or you can keep complaining, of course... i notice a penchant for that approach around these parts.

Apparently you ignore all Conservative viewpoints because we, as well as others, have illustrated and drafted options that got pushed to the side in favor of "gub'mint saying ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US."

If you want bipartisanship, you actually have to listen. Instead, your ilk continues to ram through socialist and marxist propositions with "bipartisanship" approval, even though there was a comment from one of your ilk that was, and I quote, "We don't need them."

Another thing anonytard... go to any health clinic. CONDOMS ARE FREE. Your choice to fuck without one which results in an "inconvenience" does not justify abortion.

You are beyond ignorant. There is no doubt that you are, officially, braindead.

Plus, there are comprehensive sex-ed courses and condom distributions in some schools... and Mr. Statistics, they have been proven to INCREASE teenage pregnancy (which are the main group of individuals getting abortions). You are a complete fucking retard. That's all there is to it.

Oh, but that's right... only libtards can use numbers to advance their social agenda.

Blasphemy when we use your own "tactics" against you.

Please, find a window and jump.

All the whining and name-calling completely berefit of solutions is exactly why i and those like me are so condescending in our contempt for the social conservative movement. anybody can spend their life bitching about things they do not understand (we call these people 'conservatives'). some are capable of seeing answers (we call these people 'progressives').
Isn't that what you libacrits were doing for 8 years and all the while Bush was saying to the libacrits was give me your ideas and I'll listen. Well we certainly know how that went. plus according to you libscum you know everything anyway, just follow what the government tells you and all will be fine. Sorry I like my freedom to chose for myself,if you want to be led around by the nose that's your business but don't force others to follow. By the way here's a solution: Get rid of libturds,that should be a good start.

To move back to the original post, we now see those who scoffed about government moving CCTV from "public" spaces to inside the home were wrong.

Also, more law may be necessary to counter one suggested approach: have the kids traipse about au naturel and then take the gov to court for kiddie pr0n0grahy.

i have always found it interesting that 'conservatives' oppose abortion vehemently... but then when those clearly unfit parents actually have the kids, you are all strangely silent on the problems associated with said crappy parenting. Is this a great solution? (No... i would obviously have preferred those people not to exist in the first place)... but it is indeed SOMETHING proactive to try and gather data about problem families.

The argument is intellectually inconsistent if all you do is complain... what would your SOLUTION be to improve these lives?

lol troll

And I thought Social Services in this country had too much power. This is just scary. What defines "problem" families, and who comes up with the definition?

wow. lots of personal attacks, and no data points (beyond the incorrect one about comprehensive sex ed, of course - "they have been proven to INCREASE teenage pregnancy" ... want FACTUAL data? read this.) There are many, many others, too... seriously. i bet you can use Google. Do it.

"Not only is there no credible evidence that these millions of dollars [spent on abstinence-only education] have any positive effect, there is reason to be concerned that young people who receive abstinence-only curricula in school will not have the tools to protect themselves in sexual situations".

Use factual data. gather and analyze. synthesize and cogitate. and for the love of pete remove religious bias from the decision-making chain. THEN... come back and offer real solutions to problems.

Like i said... part of the problem or part of the solution. this article's focal program is hardly a delightful solution, but at least there will be new data points to think about in downstream situations. which is more than anyone here seems capable of providing.

anyone else care to try this 'thinking' thing? i promise it isn't painful.......

this is really simple math here guys... you just need to get over the 'every sperm is sacred' crap. there is no intrinsic value to just creating more and more people all willy-nilly. none. this is, in fact, the source of all of a huge number of these problems. fewer people, in more stable environments, results in... FEWER PROBLEMS. does that not follow from the math?

Hey Anonymous Coward, it's probably a good thing your parents didn't subscribe to this piece of moonbat excrement, eh?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1456789/Teen-pregnancies-increase-after-sex-education-classes.html

Granted, that is from the UK and is from 2004, the point still stands. The first two sentences...

"Teenage pregnancies have risen fastest in areas of the country where the Government has specifically targeted resources to reduce them, a new survey has revealed."

"The report, to be published tomorrow, says that the explicit sex education leaflets and free condoms provided to under-age girls by the Government schemes have simply encouraged them to have sex."

or...

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/20090708/failed-6m-project-sees-teen-pregnancy-increase/

"Government-backed project designed to curb teenage pregnancies has seen them more than double, it emerged today."

"The project included giving teenagers sex education and advice about contraception."

another quote from that last article I linked...

"Despite the evidence that the Government has failed to significantly decrease teen pregnancies it has continued to push on with widespread free contraception and sex education."

So what is your solution when it doesn't work? TRY AGAIN!

Absolute idiocy.

"Hey Anonymous Coward, it's probably a good thing your parents didn't subscribe to this piece of moonbat excrement, eh?"

Is this the part where I ask how many of the people posting here were aborted? what an odd thing to say...

Absolute idiocy.
Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at August 3, 2009 2:41 PM

Idiocy combined with selfishness, bigotry, and a pronounced lack of compassion for other human beings.

ANONYMOUS is afraid to comment on the subject. With Liberals "freedom" is universal health care and abortion. Nothing else is nessisary or wanted.

BACK TO THE TOPIC

How many of these "20,000 problem families" are MUSLIM?

All problems can be solved by eliminating the people who cause them. A free society must necessarily be non-utopian, for as man exercises his capacity for self-determination, he creates both evil and good. This is the reason progressive societies universally result in collapse and oppression: at the core of all inconveniences is man's freedom to choose to become an inconvenience, which is then zealously restricted, destroying the man in the process. A society which does not morally value liberty above comfort and expediency will degenerate in such fashion as the bean-counters optimize their numbers, slowly turning into the very beans they count.

I'll venture to say that NONE of those "problem families" are muslim because they're all peaceful, fun-loving and are never a source of trouble.

Didn't you know? We're the infidels and only WE are capable of committing violent, dangerous, horrendous, treasonous, frowned-upon, racist acts.

/sarc

I make no moral judgements about these things, I simply see data points.

Precisely. And therein lies the problem – yours, and society's.

Hmmm...the last time a country tried to treat people like data points, weren't the architects behind it tried before an international court for crimes against humanity? Come to think of it, they called their crimes against humanity a "solution", too.

They can't come up with any less invasive way to confirm that children are attending school, are well rested and well nourished??

Idiots

So now people are "data points?" As the spiritual mentor of Ghost of Heidi Fleiss famously said, "One death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a statistic."

Ohhhh yummy a new ball of string !!

when those clearly unfit parents actually have the kids, you are all strangely silent on the problems associated with said crappy parenting.

Problem = bad parents

I would obviously have preferred those people not to exist in the first place

The Liberal solution is kill the child?

Outlawing abortion will solve the problem of unfit/unready/unsafe parents? wow is that nonsense..

Same Problem = bad parents

NO KIDS! this is really simple math here guys...

Oh look.... Kill the children is again the liberal "solution"?

There is no intrinsic value to just creating more and more people all willy-nilly. none.

Problem = overpopulation

fewer people, in more stable environments, results in... FEWER PROBLEMS.

Oddly enough... Again the liberal solution is imposed death to avoid the ACTUAL problem?

Now the real highlight of this insolent fool is on display:

I make no moral judgements about these things, I simply see data points.

Murder of children is ok if their parents are bad. If there is a possibility of overpopulation then killing off the undesireables is fine. After all Your family and friends are meaningless, worthless, totally irrelavent pieces of data with NO actual value or justifiable need to exist. Based on your admitted desire to REMOVE "moral judgements" when do you plan on eliminating the "data points" you call your parents? How soon do you plan on removing the "data points" you cohabitate with? Tonight, tomorrow... this week?

Ohhhh NOT so eager to "make no moral judgement" when it comes to killing your parents, friends or family are YOU!! What do you care... They are just:

Math (statistics) just a factual, controllable, and repeatable source of DATA.

Looks like our newest communist idiot in an attempt to prove how witty he is just decided how utterly worthless and without ANY value his entire family is unknowingly

And if more people thought like that there would be far fewer problems.

Actually that's true, If ALL liberals were willing to actually practice the self termination you profess to be such a fan of we could finally be rid of you morons.

I can already hear the erroneous comparisons to hitler and satan and whatever else; they are and will be incorrect.

Based completely on your own words you are in favor of mass elimination of children to solve a problem with parenting. Hitler, and Stalin held the same belief. It's a real pity your so intelectually bankrupt and so limited in critical thinking ability that you didn't know this.

Just Remember:

There is no malice, there is only data.

The data is conclusive you totally cluless liberal, you are in favor of mass murder to solve a completely different problem.

If this is your initial starting position:

You just need to get over the 'every sperm is sacred' crap.

Don't rely on jesus-based magic or vague statements about freedom and liberty.

You are not part of any solution.

Get out of the way.

I notice a penchant for complaining around these parts.

Anybody can spend their life bitching about things they do not understand.

That's in no way a constructive statement

The jesus-based crowd is supposed to fear and despise rational behavior..?

For the love of pete remove the religious bias from the decision-making chain.

Summarised completely by this statement:

I and those like me are so condescending in our contempt for the social conservative movement.

YOU have completely violated your claimed principles of:

There is no malice, there is only data. I make no moral judgements about these things, I simply see data points.

So when you look down your nose at me and expect that those here

Use factual data. gather and analyze. synthesize and cogitate.

It's quite apparent that YOU are the one who is TOTALLY incapable of following the proposed advice:

anyone else care to try this 'thinking' thing? i promise it isn't painful.......

Obviously thinking is something you are woefully inadequate at or have never tried youself. I would imagine that you are not even capable of finding two functioning synapses in that hollow vacum between your ears to ever learn anything.

I would recommend you go back to kindergarden and ask your teacher, the one who has apparently flunked you for that past 20 years and ask them what the word consistency and intelligence mean.

Oh and when you return with something worthwile to say beyond your own professed moronic hypocracy....

To quote you one last time!!

I will be here to listen...

Michelle -----------> +1
Obamadinejad Asshat Supporters -> 0

Michelle,

I second that remark.

Michelle = consistency + intelligence
as usual, might I add.

"Michelle at August 3, 2009 8:57 PM"

Isn't it kind of "unsporting" to use a SHOTGUN to kill a fly?

Isn't it kind of "unsporting" to use a SHOTGUN to kill a fly?

Posted by: KHarn at August 4, 2009 3:34 PM

I couldn't find my code card thingy for the nukes.... Sorry.