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"The group was founded in the wake of the Hurricane Katrina disaster to promote 'racial progress,' said James Rucker."

So is he trying to say that Hurricane Katrina was racist or caused by racial stagnation?

Infallible logic...

Anybody know what's going on with Zycam? They were Limbaugh's main sponsor, and then their product, that has been around for many years, was suddenly banned by vogons at the FDA because it might interfere with the sense of smell - or something. I guess now they don't have the cash or product line to keep advertising on Limbaugh's show.
Funny how all this happened since the totalitarian collectivists took over.

Of course he is a racist and a white hater. That isn't even arguable.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/14/the-orchestrated-campaign-to-shut-down-glenn-beck/

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/13/obama-brownshirts-try-to-silence-glenn-beck/

The founder of Whole Foods posted an editorial advocating common sense reforms as an alternative to ObamaCare: Lefties response by boycotting Whole Foods.

After emailing GIECO telling them I'm done with them, this is the response I got back:

Dear GEICO Policyholder:

Thank you, first of all for your business and also for your interest in this matter.

This week we took action to move our marketing messages from the Glenn Beck show and you are wondering why.

Well you deserve an answer.

If the inflammatory nature of the comments on a program overshadows our message and causes GEICO to be drawn into a national debate, we are likely to reconsider where we place our marketing messages, which is what we did.

GEICO delivers very important messages through its major marketing campaigns: we’re saving customers’ dollars, we’re easy to do business with, we’re looking out for our policyholders. That’s what we hope the public hears and sees and focuses on.

As a company, we do not take positions on controversial issues.

As an advertiser, while a national debate on issues can be healthy and appropriate, we don’t see ourselves in the role of taking part in those debates.

Our business is auto insurance. We want to bring people value and we attempt to reach large audiences with that message.

It is of little benefit to us if a program gets so much attention that our message is drowned out.

GEICO Corporate Communications

I then replied that their move was more likely to have lost them more customers than continuing advertising on the show, and that they should be ashamed for letting someone in the White House intimidate them into pulling their ads. They have the right to put their ad money anywhere they'd like, but getting kowtowed into removing it by an organization started by a known racist/communist working for the president, is cowardly at best.

"...but if they succeed in killing his show,"

Never happen. FOX knows you get the heaviest flak when you're directly over the target. Beck is most definitely over the target and his show will continue, with or without the Soros owned business sponsors. Most folks don't know that Soros is the man who signs every check....no matter which one of his many companies it comes from...and this so-called "boycott" is to be expected.

These are FREE MARKET, CAPITALIST companies. If the ideas you espouse (and the bloviating gasbags who say them aloud) were winners in the marketplace of ideas, those sponsors would not have pulled their money. After all, profit is all that matters, right?

I believe this is an excellent time to point out that according to the free-market capitalist system you defend above all else... your ideas are losers. People find Beck offensive because he says outrageous crap (that he clearly does not even believe - go look up his ANTI US-healthcare rants of last year, huh? It was on the Daily Show last night & is streaming, free, on dailyshow.com) and takes no responsibility for it.

So, who is ready to admit that you aren't the giant mass of people you claim to be? Guess your 'flat-earth-movement' is smaller than you thought, huh?

I'm curious to see how you will spin this one, folks...

We need to bury these asshats with email after email telling them to stuff there products.

If they want to play hardball, BRING IT!

I wonder how much more true American will take.
My bet is the edge is not very far away.

"I will no longer be shopping at Whole Foods," Taylor told ABCNews.com. "I think a CEO should take care that if he speaks about politics, that his beliefs reflect at least the majority of his clients."
Gotta love it. Your opinions must be the same as the customers. Free speech - as long as it agrees with us.

A commenter on the Whole Foods forum, identified only by his handle, "PracticePreach," wrote, "It is an absolute slap in the face to the millions of progressive-minded consumers that have made [Whole Foods] what it is today."
Awwww......they had their faces slapped.....tsk, tsk,tsk.

I truly, truly hope that all this BS we're going through leads to a complete rejection of left wing ideaology in the US. I do believe they have some sort of brain dysfunction that makes them think the way they do.
a Margaret Thatcher quote, "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money," has left some Whole Foods loyalists enraged.
How more succinct can it be? There is a limit and any thinking person would understand that. I guess if you're a spoiled kid from an affluent family that never got punished and that sent you to a left wing dominated college, this is the way you think.

I'll just keep praying I guess.

Unbelievable anonyslime quotes the daily show.
So a commie comedian is his source for info?
No wonder the Kenyan scumbag has usurped the presidency.

God save us from these lowlifes.

The issue is not that they don't have the right to spend their money where they see fit, it's the fact that someone connected to the White House started a group that intimidated GEICO into canceling. And we're free to criticize them for it, and spend OUR money elsewhere. Pretty easy to understand.

"Unbelievable anonyslime quotes the daily show.
So a commie comedian is his source for info?
No wonder the Kenyan scumbag has usurped the presidency."

No dumbass it is BECK HIMSELF. ACTUAL VIDEO FEED FROM HIS SHOW, where he is very, VERY ANTI-US-healthcare. It is hardly the comedian's fault for NOTICING that Beck is a retard!

Who is capable of a more int4elligent response?

Oh, by the way, a retired VP from Proctor & Gamble, Lou Pritchett, wrote an insightful letter to the NY Times, which never published it, but it made the email rounds and it's been verified by Mr. Pritchett.

Read it here.

"I wonder how much more true American will take."

If you actually represented 'true america' they would not be pulling the ads. Clearly you do NOT represent a sufficient number of people to be worth associating their companies with the likes of Beck. See how it works here in America's capitalist system?

Come on guys... Where's the legion of 'let the free market work' people that were up each other's asses over the healthcare debate?

Anon what you fail to realize is that one little threat of racism from a special interest group will cause sponsors to pull their ads. Or for another example how about the boneheaded joke letterman told about Palin's underage daughter. He thought he had gotten away with it until sponsors threatened to pull their ads. Beck will clarify his statements and all will be well and the advertisers will be happy. The political party doesn't matter when ad dollars are at stake.

Beck cannot 'clarify' his statements. He blurted out baldfacedly that Obama is a racist. He actually does it all the time. The only way that could be 'clarified' is if he first said off-camera "I'd have to be insane to say..."

That doesn't fly with the sane people here in America. Beck just forgets from time to time that not everyone is insane, and even though normal people dont watch his show... someone is always out there.

So, back to the marketplace of ideas. People advertised with Borat. People advertise with Big Love on HBO. Both controversial (and of course there are many more), both apparently winners in the marketplace of ideas... Beck is not.

All you free-market champions from the healthcare debates need to man up and admit that this is exactly the definition of the free market at work. Or are you recanting yesterday's statements about capitalism being the only way to fly? Either way, this should prove interesting...

I think that any product advertised on Beck's show will now be my product of choice.

hmmmmm....who is making up for the lost profits resulting from their "boycotts"? With Beck's show having such incredibly high ratings, it does not make much sense from a business perspective to lose such a large amount of viewership by pulling your ads from such a highly rated show.

Have they been privately compensated for their losses with our tax dollars courtesy the White House?

Beck's show does not have incredibly high ratings, guy. It has high ratings for a specific time slot with a specific demographic subset, sure... but as a percentage of general pop it is hardly worth the tarnish on your brand's image to be associated with such blatant ignorance and evil...

Know how we know that? If it was profitable, they would keep advertising. Marketplace of ideas...

Beck's show does not have incredibly high ratings, guy
Posted by: "Meh" at August 14, 2009 11:35 AM

he beats the daily show, does it have "high" ratings? daily show = 1.4 -1.6 , beck = 2.2-3

"Meh"...

You forget that we have to walk on eggshells because of the PC crap that leftists have thrown around.

Also, lefties are a very tightly-cliqued group of individuals who participate in group-think and nothing else. They don't think as individuals and, instead, follow the herd, regardless of impact.

Therefore, we can expect Geico to lose more business if it DOESN'T play into their bully tactics. Thus, it's going to be less damaging to pull the ads because leftards will continue to pump money into the insurance that they're so desperate to hate (just because they want to support something that supports them... they don't care about the other side).

Unfortunately, hate is all leftards know. So I see some scary consequences coming as a result of pulling the ads. It's like giving a vicious wolf some bloody meat. It's now bloodthirsty and wants more. The problem escalates because, now that they've had a taste of pissing off corporations, they're going to be hell-bent on attacking more corporations. Their bully tactics only give them more convictions to CONTINUE with bully tactics.

They.Will.Not.Stop. At some point, they'll run out of things to hate and I can only hope that they resort to cannibalism and eat each other.

So, Meh, what part of GB's statement that Obama's a racist do you object to? When you complain about "white people's greed", you've already labeled yourself that way. Was GB not supposed to notice these things?

Since you are now a free-marketer, then you would surely not object to a counter-boycott? Those of us paying attention can patronize the companies that advertise with him, and withdraw our dollars from the companies that withdraw their ads. You who are unable to see (you'd get better visibility if you removed your lips from O's posterior) can do the reverse.

It is crucial for shows to keep their advertisers. Murdoch knows this, and as Glenn Beck loses advertisers, his show loses MONEY. Companies are free to spend their money where they choose, if they are pressured by consumers to shy away from a particular venue, they have a duty. It would be interesting to see how many members of Colors of Change are Geico customers? I know I am.

And go ahead, counter boycott. As advertisers continue to drop off, all you'll have is your canned goods and guns. Progressive, Sargento, Proctor & Gamble, Geico, Lawyers.com, Lexis-Nexis,etc.

Next!!!

Yeah, I didn't realize telling the truth about a racist individual was "evil", even when that racist individual makes racist comments.

"where he is very, VERY ANTI-US-healthcare."

No, he's very anti-Obama socialized healthcare, as are MORE THAN 50% of all Americans!

And once again, you're completely skewing the point here... it's NOT about free market capitalism, I think everyone here agrees that those sponsors have every right to pull their ads from Beck's show. It's about cowardly corporations BOWING to pressure from groups affiliated with the White House that want to silence an individual's 1st Amendment rights!

Seamus,free speech is not protected in the workplace. Whether you are on the air, or at the water cooler. Numerous courts have decided on this. I suggest you look into other hosts in the past who were not protected under the First Amendment, Don Imus, Bill Maher,and George Carlin among others. Beck's hate rhetoric has been directly tied to violence at recent town halls. You may want to brush up some law my friend.

Beck's hate rhetoric has been directly tied to violence at recent town halls.

That, sir, is a leap that Evel Knieval couldn't make. It's easy to jump to conclusions if it supports your agenda.

Hell, by your infallible logic, I could argue that rain in California will increase my light bill in Pennsylvania.

"No, he's very anti-Obama socialized healthcare..."

reatard - READ things. There is a link right now on dailyshow.com of BECK'S SHOW, where he is INSANELY ANTI-US-HEALTHCARE. it is 1 year ago. 20008. Now he comes on every night with 'we have the best healthcare in the history of human events'.

So, either Beck is a propaganda tool of the lunatic fringe - or he's schizophrenic.

You pick. either way, it appears that major corporations are aware that advertising with him is a loser here in our free market society.

As far as this nonsense: "It's about cowardly corporations BOWING to pressure from groups affiliated with the White House that want to silence an individual's 1st Amendment rights!"

Uh... if those groups represent more people than your 'group'.... then it is not about anything but the bottom line. If the bibles-and-guns loonies that watch Beck were 51% or more of the population, we would not be having this discussion, and nobody would pull ads. But it isn't. It is a small, narrow-minded and fearful subset from the shallow end of the gene pool. So, they pull the ads.

It's just math. Spout hateful nonsense, and eventually it is bad for business.

"I doubt many viewers will miss the irritating commercials run by Geico and Progressive."

Maybe not, but I promise that Fox will miss the advertising revenue.

"was suddenly banned by vogons at the FDA because it might interfere with the sense of smell - or something."

Yeah the "or something" part was that it might completely eliminate your sense of smell. Or course for someone with so many impairments to their thinking - or something, smell probably doesn't seem that important. You might have to wake up and smell the bullsh*t coming out of your own mouth.

Granted, I'm perplexed but there is something you have to think about.

He did say "horrible health care" but, that doesn't mean that it's not the best in the world. Everything else could be relatively worse. So, instead of being short-sighted, think sometimes.

An example...

Let's say your taxes are 80% of your income. Bad.
Let's they are lowered to 70%. That's STILL bad.

So you could argue that both are horrible but, in a relative sense, that 70% is still good (if compared to other countries where the tax rate is 75%).

Do you see what I mean?

From TVbythenumbers.com, for Wednesday 8/12:

Glenn Beck– 2,386,000 viewers (734,000) (1,228,000)
Situation Room—636,000 viewers (99,000) (178,000)
Hardball w/ Chris Matthews—536,000 viewers (120,000) (237,000)
Fast Money—253,000 viewers (97,000) (142,000)
Prime News–162,000 viewers (66,000) (75,000)

Am I justifying Beck? To some extent, yes. But, my intention is to exemplify your narrow-minded approach to reality.

... and you call us close-minded? Pot, meet kettle.

it is free market capitalism. You have completely lost your conservative principles.

Business is not about being altruistic, about doing good for the people, about standing up for your or anyone elses rights. It is about making money. If they determine that Beck is to controversial and that will cost them money, the only rational and right thing for them to do for themselves and there investors is to pull out.

You guys are starting to sound like idealistic liberals, wanting businesses to put your own values before their profits.

"From TVbythenumbers.com, for Wednesday 8/12:

Glenn Beck– 2,386,000 viewers (734,000) (1,228,000)"

And who can do the math with me? What percentage of the american populace is that? (.6%. wow. clearly you guys were right - you are the biggest group EVER!)

Marketplace of ideas...

Brandon - well put. Dig it.

Posted by: "Meh" at August 14, 2009 12:48 PM

the TOTAL audience of msnbc/cnn/hdln/cnbc is eclipsed by beck's, i somehow doubt this "boycott" will have any impact on advertising revenue.

"then you would surely not object to a counter-boycott?"

Spend or don't spend how you wish! That's America! That's what the liberals on this string have been saying since the beginning!

You're the folks whining that for some reason (oh, right, you just don't like it) that somehow pulling their advertising dollars is anti-American. Its not ... its the American way!

The advertisers have every right to pull their sponsorships and ads,but don't be suprised when they are replaced. See the advertisers market a product to a certain demographic and with beck's numbers and the falling popularity of obooboo I don't think Fox will be missing any revenue.

Beck has a large audience and will continue to have sponsors. He's getting better numbers a 5pm (2pm Pacific) than Olberman gets at 8:00pm - when million more people have their sets turned on.

Leftists are paying attention to him because he has a big audience, but they won't stop him.

"I don't think Fox will be missing any revenue."

That so true! It must be why y'all are crying about it so much. You are intent on making this political, and its purely economic.

When someone says such outrageous things, advertisers don't want to be associated with it. Its just how it goes.

OK, I've got it DVR'd. I'll watch tonight and report back WHO is still advertising with him. You trolls are gleefully anticipating his utter demise but that's just not going to happen. Not with those numbers. He's also got 8 million on the radio.

Not everybody thinks like a lefty libtard. The world doesn't revolve around you.

Anonymouses: Please name yourself, nobody can keep you all straight.

"He has a deep-seated hatred for white people."

I fail to see how that's "purely economic."

It is, once again, race-baiting and seen as bashing the "pres__ent" for his racist views (which he clearly has, read his book asshole). But it surely isn't political...

Interesting note here: I went to the Progressive site and found this.

http://newsroom.progressive.com/2009/august/progressive-statement-glenn-beck-program.aspx

That could actually be plausible. Wouldn't be the first time that the Left has claimed credit for something that happened coincidentally.

"Seamus,free speech is not protected in the workplace."

But when a member of the government is attempting to squelch the voice of a citizen, either directly or indirectly, that IS a violation of the 1st Amendment. That is what has people so cheesed off.

Seamus, 800,000+ have signed the petition, I am one of them. That said, Glenn Beck is under contract, and Fox is committed to the money offered to him. That said, he is on the clock when he spews his hatred for the President...therefore, he is not protected under the First Amendment.

To Anonymous, "Meh", Wellstone:
As someone who works in the radio/ television broadcast industry, I can tell you that the old maxim "Any publicity is good publicity" will more than likely apply to Mr. Beck and his programs. With open slots in sponsorship, advertisers will be JUMPING- (do you hear that?) jumping at the chance to advertise on one of the fastest-growing programs on the market right now. This won't hurt Beck at all in the long run. I'll bet by September he'll have more sponsors than he had before that comment. Sorry, but you lose this one- hands down.
Save yourselves some time- Don't even try to argue this point.

So now the Liberal trolls are CAPITALISTS and are all for FREE SPEACH.

What a bunch of lying assholes.

Come on KHarn, play nice.

All the anger here reminds me of how unemotional conservatives are. I mean how unemotional they think they are.

"I fail to see how that's "purely economic.""
Its advertisers pulling advertising. That's economics. You are pretty easily confused.

"With open slots in sponsorship, advertisers will be JUMPING- (do you hear that?) jumping at the chance to advertise on one of the fastest-growing programs on the market right now."
Uh yea, I hear you. Great! Good for them! Again that's capitalism, and I can live with it. So what are you bitching about again? Oh, that it worked against you in this instance. Get a grip! If someone thinks it good for them, then go for it. If they don't think its good for them, they're free to pull the plug.

"So now the Liberal trolls are CAPITALISTS and are all for FREE SPEACH."
You have this convenient picture of that all liberals are. Its a cartoon. Don't be surprised when reality doesn't fit your distorted brain. If I'm just a liar, why are you so angry? If I'm lying, you shouldn't give a crap. I'd go so far as to say that you're the liar in this case. A big ol hypocrite. You say you are for capitalism, but in this instance where it works against you you are instantly ready to work against it.

kHARN, speech is generally free when you spell it outside the workplace.
Murff, I also come from the music and radio industry. Beck's inflammatory comments are not going to attract advertisers. I have worked on both ends of the business, for 3 stations and at WEA. Losing ad dollars is serious, and Fox is noticing it, believe me. He may garner some smaller accounts in certain markets, but Geico is a large account, and according to reports they are not upping exposure on other shows.

"Any publicity is good publicity"
Like any axiom, it is widely true, but they are never universally so. There are many instances where publicity is, simply bad. It happens every day.

Glen Beck is an idiot and an utter shyster; Anyone who cannot see this is incapable of making a valid comment about anything and is also an idiot. Period. End of story. Fact. Goodbye....

Sorry, socialist drones, you can boycott all you like, but Beck gets monstrous ratings. There are always plenty of other advertisers who will step up to the plate, because ratings talk. THAT is the free market. Beck isn't going anywhere.

Well, I seem to have frightened some assholes.

GOOD!

"Anonymous at August 14, 2009 6:10 PM"

IRONY!

In case you think that your pathetic boycott is going to make a difference, leftists:

Fox News: O’Reilly 3,814,000
Fox News: Hannity 3,118,000
Fox News: Beck 2,417,000
Fox News: Greta 2,388,000
Fox News: Baier 1,988,000
Fox News: Shep 1,833,000
MSNBC: Olbermann 1,243,000
MSNBC: Maddow 1,082,000
CNNHN: Grace 875,000
CNN: Griffin 810,000

Oh, and just to pour some salt in that wound, liberal drones:

NYT Best Sellers (Hardcover Nonfiction):
1. CULTURE OF CORRUPTION, by Michelle Malkin
2. LIBERTY AND TYRANNY, by Mark R. Levin
3. OUTLIERS, by Malcolm Gladwell
4. CATASTROPHE, by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann
5. UNMASKED, by Ian Halperin

And Beck's latest book is #1 on the paperback nonfiction list.

That, progressive zombies, is MONEY. And money talks.

GLENN BECK RULES!!

He comes on in the am radio here in Memfrica.

Do you guys know how many liberal radio talk shows come on in Memfrica? O..Zilch...Nada. They all failed and were taken of the air.

Boy Ghost of these Nuts and the rest of you liberals sure do get worked up over Beck. He's a talk show host for GOD'S sake. What and why are you guy's so SCAAAAAAARED of.

Maybe it's the truth is a little hard for you guys to handle.

Don't be so hypocritical socialists. Have you been listening to your libtard stations lately.

Race baiters they are!!

Dave, you have no clue do you? I tend to give you the benefit of the doubt now and again. You ought to look into Arbitron or Talkers magazine. 3 of the top 10 shows are Stephanie Miller, Ed Schultz and Thom Hartmann. Beck is a liar and a hypocrite. Just after his ass surgery he stated how lousy his health care was, now it's the greatest in the world? Apparently when they sewed up his ass, they didn't stitch tight enough to keep him from talking out of it.
"What and why are you guy's so SCAAAAAAARED of."
Well, I for am not scared, I hope he keeps doing what he is doing. However, his 9/12 stuff has incited some the incidents that are worrisome. Dave, maybe you ought to check out Mike Malloy some night, it might help you.

... and people wonder why Air America = failure.

Anon, and where was AAR mentioned?

"Beck is a liar and a hypocrite"

Sounds like some of you and your friends that are being described here, Ghost of these Nuts.

I've listened to all of those libtards and ya' know what? They are just as full of shit as you guys are. Yea these libtard shit bots won't DARE talk bad or say anything against Obama but they sure were critical of the BOOOOOOOOSHES! Why would I want to here lies about this president on how great he is or the lies about simple Americans exercising their freedom of speech right. These idiots refer to us as mobsters and terrorist. All that does is divide this country further apart and the race baiting idiots that you follow, Ghost of these Nuts, should be ashamed of the divide they are causing right now. They are fucking typical liberal lying asses.

You are in no position to advise anyone, Ghost of Fraidy Cat. Remember you are a paid troll and your information as well as your facts are misleading. You have no credibility here.

You are SCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARED out of your nut sack.

... and people wonder why Air America = failure.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 14, 2009 7:33 PM

Excellent point. Anon, do remember the stupid hags name that did the show in the afternoon while Bush was in office. I believe she came on before the jackass Al Franken came on?

Well, it hurt my brain even attempting to listen to it so I don't recall much besides me turning the radio off to save my sanity.

As far as Geico's stated objective of not being "drawn into a national debate", ooops, too late. I suspect they're not going to like it when protesters start showing up with signs depicting a little Geico gekko as roadkill. (Calling all graphic artists)

Not that I'd really like to see anything actually happen to the little Geico gekko 'cause he's kind of cute. But I could pinch the head off the Progressive chick in a heartbeat.

Color of change should be called CHEMLELEONS becuase their nasty bunch of reptiles

"that they should be ashamed for letting someone in the White House intimidate them into pulling their ads."

Conspiracy theories again. You guys love 'em.

Its a business decision, pure and simple. They're thinking about their bottom line. Lots of businesses in all areas are concerned about being connected with controversial stuff. Its not about the white house intimidating anyone, its people running the damn company. You're trying to inject politics into a business decision, and its just not there.

"some very powerful people who want to shut him up,"

You love this idea, because it makes it seem like he has something important to say, when the sad truth of the matter is that the advertisers simply don't want to be associated with a hothead.

"Oooh, 'they' are trying to silence him" when in fact an executive in charge of advertising simply saw the show and thought: "hmm, I think we can find a better channel to sell insurance on that won't alienate so many people."

"some very powerful people who want to shut him up,"

You love this idea, because it makes it seem like he has something important to say, when the sad truth of the matter is that the advertisers simply don't want to be associated with a hothead.

"Oooh, 'they' are trying to silence him" when in fact an executive in charge of advertising simply saw the show and thought: "hmm, I think we can find a better channel to sell insurance on that won't alienate so many people."

Let me see ...

These people want to bankrupt the economy with MarxistCare ...

And now they pull advertisements from one of the HIGHEST rated (ummm, that means WATCHED/VIEWED by lots and lots and lots of consumers) shows on cable TV ...

Yep, sounds like the same "genius" business minds in play here.

Hey, I hate those f*cking "Free Credit Report dot com" commercials ... but bring em on. Load up Beck's hour. I'll even crank up the sound instead of muting the TV during breaks.

BTW, Beck would be the last person to call for a boycott on these fools ... It's the free market alright.

FAIL.

Why? Because if you haven't been paying attention for the last, oh, two or so weeks the American people are becoming fully aware of the demonizing of anyone who is a messenger and speaking out against Obama and the government.

Seniors are pulling out of AARP ... Folks are free to not buy the damn cheese, change their insurance company (and let them know exactly why you're dumping them) ...

Those shit-happy little bastards over at MSNBC have been flinging around their droppings like the scurvy primates they are for over 8 years ... and GE has been found to have done business with Iran ... and Iran has used their materials to make IEDS that maimed and killed our troops in Iraq ... and don't get me started on NBC/MSNBC/GE's interests in screwing us over while pushing the load of bullshit that is Obama/dem cap and tax.. GE and NBC (along with the rest of the leftist MSM and the dems who pissed on our troops and now want to rule your healthcare) have blood running off their hands like a river ... the blood of our troops and innocent Iraqis ... and every coalition troop KIA in Iraq.

Just curious ... do any of these high-minded companies running from Beck advertise on Olbermann's show pumped live from the padded cell?

You are SCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARED out of your nut sack.

Posted by: Dave at August 14, 2009 7:52 PM

Dave, damn it, you are way too kind.

They are sackless and nutless ...

Unless, of course, you are talking about that sack of nuts balanced atop their shoulders.

Drillanwr, you dolt, can't even do the research on GE and Iran can you ? A unconfirmed report by O'Really by his own admission. The transmitter used in the IED's in question is not and never has been made by GE.

"FAIL!"

"FAIL!"

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at August 14, 2009 10:30 PM

ummm ... no

Ghost of Wellstone

rough landing, huh?

too damn bad

nice pep rally ... er, funeral though. shoulda been there

Glenn Beck is to politics what Art Bell was to weather. "That's not a cloud! It's an alien lifeform come to rape our souls!"

Dude has got a monster fetish for the conspiracy theories. And what the hell is the deal with the crying? Either he's faking or he's crazier than a barking hatstand.

I'm guessing the advertisers most suited to his demographic would be tornado insurers, purveyors of pork rinds, and makers of cosmetics designed to cover signs of domestic abuse. Oh, and robot insurance for when they come and steal your medicine.

Your hero Beck the Wreck is so obviously a mentally unstable and/or drunk half wit.

HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

You guys notice that all of these moonbat drones' "criticisms" of Beck are all extremely vague? That's because not one of them actually watches or listens to him. All they have to go on is what other moonbat drones tell them he said.

As it typical with progressives, they hate without knowing why they hate.

"Beck's hate rhetoric has been directly tied to violence at recent town halls."
Ghost of Wellstone

You mean that guy who was beaten by union thugs? You know, the one you were sneering at a couple of days ago? Glen Beck's responsible for that? How is it possible for anyone to be as full of shit as you are?

Understand, people, anyone who dares to question the progressives' agenda is automatically guilty of "hate rhetoric." For all their talk about loving dissent, they expect everyone to march lockstep with them, agree with whatever they decide to do, and most importantly, SHUT UP. It's part of the collectivist impulse.

no no, you are right Evil Otto, Glen Beck is all about love.

But seriously, dissent is great when you actually know what you are dissenting against. at this point the right just makes up stuff to dissent against, because none of you, for example have any idea what you are even so pissed off about. Dissent is healthy when it's informed and valid. Not the case with you guys.

And you have it all wrong. Don't "shut up". Keep making public fools of yourself and see how far it gets you. You're all doing a fine job of destroying your own credibility and showing now, more than ever, how deeply stupid, ignorant and weak your arguments are. So no, don't shut up. Keep standing up in town halls, waving copies of the constitution, which you can't even understand, and the Bible, and screaming absurdities. Keep posting your ignorance here. It's not helping you any,

Wellstone the Meh dick licker.

[...] because none of you, for example have any idea what you are even so pissed off about. Dissent is healthy when it's informed and valid. Not the case with you guys.

This goes to show how distanced you are from reality. Once again, just because you choose to jam your fingers in your ears and scream "NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH" doesn't mean that what we said didn't exist.

It's clear that the liberals choose to ignore facts, opinions, suggestions, numbers, responses, etc because it doesn't suit their agenda.

So, until you're up for debate, don't expect it. Remember, debates require at least two sides and your side has yet to present itself in a reasonable, respectful manner that listens to the arguments. It's easier to ignore so that you can live in your fantasyland where everything IS as you THINK it is. We have disproved your fictionally-driven "reality" but, your rhetoric is baseless.

More proof that liberalism is a mental disorder, curable only by death.

You guys notice that all of these moonbat drones' "criticisms" of Beck are all extremely vague? That's because not one of them actually watches or listens to him. All they have to go on is what other moonbat drones tell them he said.

As it typical with progressives, they hate without knowing why they hate.

Posted by: Evil Otto at August 15, 2009 4:36 AM

1) yeah, Olbermann's all about L-O-V-E and professionalism ... I find "progressives" are actually "regressives"

"Beck's hate rhetoric has been directly tied to violence at recent town halls."
Ghost of Wellstone

You mean that guy who was beaten by union thugs? You know, the one you were sneering at a couple of days ago? Glen Beck's responsible for that? How is it possible for anyone to be as full of shit as you are?

Posted by: Anonymous at August 15, 2009 4:58 AM

progressives/liberals/leftists/communist pawns do not believe in "personal responsibility" ... which is why they continually insit we are forcing the Islamists to blow up Muslims, take flight lessone and fly planes into our buildings, rape and drug their young men before strapping explosive vests on them to send them out to kill crowds of Muslim children and our troops handing out candy and toys, carving off the heads of poor villagers in Pakistan in front of crowds of terrified people, forcing girls out of schools ... and I won't even get into how it's "the man's" (code word for 'white' man's) fault for black on black crime in our own country. Yeah, see all these people doing violent and non-productive anti-social things in the world ... well, it's ALL our fault (right now Glenn Beck is completely in control of the mind control machine because George W. Bush is off fishing in his retirement somewhere in Texas) ...

THIS is why they insist they have to control housing, banks, industry, YOUR healthcare, etc ... because they are wired to believe we are all just aimless `bots that cannot think or reason or be personally responsible for ourselves.

Fact is ... THEIR useful idiots really do fit that mold.

Which is why they have to strike out at anyone thinking for themselves ... and opening their mouths to alert everyone else what's going on.

Anyone else recall these piss-ons shouting "What did Bush know and when did he know it? ... and ... Why didn't they connect the 'dots'" regarding 9-11?

There are dots out there right now. And people are finally opening their eyes and seeing them ... connecting them.

You sane half here are right. They truly are scared to death ... as well they should be.

Beck? If half of what he says is accurate (and I happen to believe most of what he says is ... BTW, dispute Obama is racist ... go on ... prove Beck and the rest of us wrong ... the bastard IS racist) this country IS in trouble if We The People don't stop this promised "change".

As to GE ... they were doing business with Iran ... and O`Reilly wasn't the only one who looked into it. CBS slipped up and looked ... then shoved it in the dark closet.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/22/60minutes/main595214.shtml

(Yeah, they had to sheild GE by poking your myopic eyes with Halliburton)

IEDs are "improvised" ... means each part doesn't come out of some box marked 'bomb parts' ... means the parts used to make the 'improvised' bomb were parts meant for some other use. GE was doing business with other countries that were funneling their shit to Iran ... I believe that's kinda like 'laundering' ... you couple that with their networks' consistent consistent undermining of the war and their slandering and shitting on our troops and you get blood on their hands.

But if you want to get into their (GE's) butt-buddy relationship with this administration and how it is in their very best interest to see cap and tax shoved through perhaps the editors/writers on this blog will illustrate that for you ... before the damn bill goes through and you are allotted 3 hrs of electricity to your house everyday for the cost of hundreds of dollars a month in your bill and you can't run your computer out of mom and dad's basement during that time because mom has to catch up on your poopy pants and pissy sheets that are stinking up the basement.

Chris Matthews himself said on air on MSNBC that it was his "job" to make this president "successful" ... which only really confirms how it was his and his network's job to try to make the last president unsuccessful ... and the biggest way possible for them to do that was to have our troops #FAIL ... and they tried their damnedest ... they're ALL going to Hell for it ... hopefully soon.

What the idiots attacking Beck and FOX don't realize in their "progressive" minds is that Beck's listeners/viewers will fight for him ...

All 3 of Olbermann's viewers wouldn't be able to get off their couches and put down the crack pipes ...

no no, you are right Evil Otto, Glen Beck is all about love.

That, Larry, is what is known as a "strawman" argument. It's a classic logical fallacy, I never made any such claim as Beck was "all about love."

What he does is stand in opposition to you, and that is why you hate him. Despite his we're-all-doomed attitude and annyoying weepiness, he has done excellent work exposing the corruption and lies that you progressives traffic in. He mocks your righteousness, questions your motives, and does a fine job in making you look like the corrupt statists you are. And that is why you progressives are trying to destroy him, because he dissents.

But seriously, dissent is great when you actually know what you are dissenting against.

Ah, the old "you're too stupid and/or uninformed to know what you're saying." That's Moonbat Standard Argument #114.

at this point the right just makes up stuff to dissent against,

We don't need to make anything up. You provide so much to dissent against. Are we just "making up" the Democrat's attempt to ram through a sweeping health care plan in only a few weeks? We're just "making up" the fact that no one in Congress has even read the bill? We're just "making up" the fact that the government has shown time and again to be an utter failure when providing health care? We're just "making up" trillion dollar deficits? We're just "making up" shady back-room dealings and corruption among Obama and his cronies?

because none of you, for example have any idea what you are even so pissed off about.

Spare me, you patronizing leftist drone. I know EXACTLY what I'm pissed off about. What you've demonstrated is that YOU are the one who doesn't understand. You don't know why we're pissed, because you don't know how anyone could ever question your side's motives or plans.

Dissent is healthy when it's informed and valid. Not the case with you guys.

Ah, so you get to define when dissent is healthy and valid. And, by an amazing coincidence, it's when we agree with you. You wouldn't give anyone on the opposition credit for being "informed" because you seem to think that if we were informed, we'd be on your side.

Typical left-wing borg-drone thinking.

And you have it all wrong. Don't "shut up".

Translation from Larry-speak: "Shut up."

Keep making public fools of yourself and see how far it gets you.

Your poll numbers are down, support for this monstrosity is fading, and the conservatives are as fired-up as I've ever seen them. People are LISTENING, Larry, and that's what is pissing you off.

You're all doing a fine job of destroying your own credibility and showing now, more than ever, how deeply stupid, ignorant and weak your arguments are.

Yeah, blah-blah-blah. Meaningless taunts from a gutless simp who hates everything we believe. I've heard it a thousand times before from an army of clones who think just like you. I swear, they crank you leftists out in vats and program you with the same goodthink.

So no, don't shut up. Keep standing up in town halls, waving copies of the constitution, which you can't even understand,

That's rich, coming from a drone like you and this administration that uses the Constitution for toilet paper.

and the Bible,

Standard Leftist Drone Argument #224: "You're all a bunch of Bible-thumpers."

and screaming absurdities. Keep posting your ignorance here. It's not helping you any,

I can't help but notice you didn't argue anything specific in your entire comment, Larry. Just the same tired lines we hear twenty times before breakfast. When I read comments like yours I get a little more optimistic. We're getting to you. You're reacting defensively.

You statists really thought you had this, didn't you? And now that people are daring to speak out against you, you can't stand it. It eats at you. I am enjoying it, Larry. Your anger makes me happy. We're not ignorant, we're not stupid, we won't shut up, and we're not going away. Deal with it, drone.

"and the biggest way possible for them to do that was to have our troops #FAIL"
How the news media can impact how a war is waged abroad ... you're not drawing that line. They can influence how it is perceived here at home, perhaps, but if the war is going well or poorly, they have no influence over that. If someone is going to hell for launching a bad war and then losing it, that'll be Bush/Cheney/Rumsie. Besides ... its your hell. You burn in it.

Your implication that GE is supplying the enemy with parts for bombs is disgusting. GE like any conglomerate, likely does disgusting things along the way to make money ... but this is gross. You need support before you say something like that, and you have none. Just more gross smear work. Kinda like your crack pipe comment.

"the idiots attacking Beck and FOX"
You make it sound like people are trying to remove him. We only want some effort at truth. He makes none. Your "leaders" only put out there what they think you'll lap up that will help them reach their ends. WMDs ring a bell? The real threat was coming from Pakistan and North Korea all along. You idiots still believe that crap. Look what a mess we're in now. Deregulation of the banking system ... look what a mess we're in now. TARP, remember that 800 billion that was used to pay for golden parachutes? That crap was all on you idiots. Lapping at the Republican pool of lies. And still you don't see it. You're back for more!

"They truly are scared to death"
You have everything backwards, don't you? Republican's feel some strange entitlement to always be in power. When you don't have it you freak out. Birth Certificate nonsense, wild claims of racism, death panels and all that crap. You will say anything at this point, and you've muddied it all up so much that older folks and uneducated folks don't know where to turn for truth any more. You'll just blab anything or make any accusation that suits your needs.

"Sorry, socialist drones, you can boycott all you like"
But you're still not getting it. You're calling it a boycott, but its simply a business decision. It doesn't have a political motivation, its about money. You want

But you're still not getting it. You're calling it a boycott, but its simply a business decision.

Boycott: To abstain from or act together in abstaining from using, buying, or dealing with as an expression of protest or disfavor or as a means of coercion.

I know your side likes to redefine what words mean, but this is clearly a boycott.

It doesn't have a political motivation, its about money. You want

You can lie to me, Larry, but don't lie to yourself. It isn't healthy.

I wrote this a while ago on another blog, but it still stands. I've been arguing with leftists like Larry and Goatse for a long time, and some patterns emerge:

1) The leftist troll always believes himself to be smarter than his opponent. Always. No matter how idiotic his arguments, no matter how easily they are torn apart, he never wavers in this belief.

2) Similarly, the troll knows that he is better educated. Even if he is a college freshman arguing against someone with multiple degrees, his opponent is an ignorant, illiterate boob with a third-grade education.

3) His opponents are racists. ALL of them. This is not even guilty-until-proven-innocent, since there is no way for the opponent to prove to the leftist that he isn't racist.

4) His opponents are fascists. The leftist troll doesn't even truly understand the meaning of the word, but nonetheless labels everyone who disagrees with him as fascists or Nazis.

5) The troll believes himself to be tolerant, yet shows no respect whatsoever for anyone's opinion that doesn't agree with his. He is perfectly willing to indulge in the vilest accusations and basest insults, all the while believing in his heart that he is a tolerant and open-minded person. Leftists HATE. They hate with a pure, single-minded passion that would impress a member of the KKK.

6) There is NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER in their political views. Quiz them on a subject, and you can always predict the answer they will give you. The trolls are interchangeable.

In the end, nothing we say matters to them. They don't care what we think, don't have any intention of listening to anything that casts doubts on their view that government (at least, when they are in charge of it) is the solution to all of life's problems. They're here to dazzle themselves with their own brilliance. Coming here and stirring up shit is just a form of masturbation to them, and we're the props in their sick fantasies.

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." -Hillary Clinton

"I'm a fan of disruptors."
-Nancy Pelosi

Posted by: Anonymous at August 15, 2009 9:40 AM

Is in denial ...

He/She can see the sickle and hammer up ahead and just can't seem to reach it. The road to the red dawn ahead is being pulled out from under him by Constitutional American patriots ... and all he and his fellow Marxist invalids had to do was pack their shit and move to Cuba or China and how happy they would have been in utopia by now ... but someone would have had to hold their hand to cross that street.

Hmmm, ATTC, this is debate? "Wellstone the Meh dick licker." Perhaps you didn't write it, but this is from your ilk. And Otto, what next a defense of Whole Foods? For years they were supported by Liberals, and oops, now we won't. Guess you guys can now go there and never experience any culture.

Beck's antics have led to this path, and again, it is the businesses decision. If they feel they would lose more than gain, it is their choice. The left is just nudging them. Colors of Change has just near 800,000 signatures, which is a fraction within the population. So, Beck is doing something to not only offend those who signed on, but the corporations themselves.

Further Otto, your little diatribe of the left is misguided. First off, Who is using the Nazi symbol to represent a minority? The right. When did health care become a race issue? That's right, when our country achieved it's first black President. And to compare us to the Klan is completely out of whack. How many black Republican Senators are there? Or how about Jewish ? Or better yet, Muslim ? Give me a break!

Be sure to watch MTP tmw right wingers, your sponsor Dick Armey will face off with Rachel Maddow after her coverage caused his resignation a law firm. lol

I say let's get rid of all the socialist programs: Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, highways, public education, the National Weather Service, and the V.A. Damned buncha moochers. Any one who disagrees with me is a goddamned marxist liberal. Scream "traitor" at your mailman today and tell that sonabitch to get his socialism-tainted ass off your lawn.

"as an expression of protest or disfavor or as a means of coercion."

See you're the one not getting it. Its about business and the bottom line. Not about trying to hurt your precious Republican loudmouth. Clearly they had no problem with far-fetched Republican points of view, or they wouldn't have been advertising there in the first place. But he went too far.

You getting it yet?

"some patterns emerge:"

I've never claimed to be smarter than the other folks on here, and I don't play the race game. I've never called anyone on here a fascist or a nazi, although it does get thrown my way all the time. Its especially funny that you'd raise this, since this site is SO guilty of that very thing. Even going so far as to try and draw likenesses not between policies, but even between symbols used. You do this all the time!

I don't hate anyone here and have never expressed such, although again, I so often encounter that from folks here. Use of vile language and disgusting insults and barely concealed innuendo. Like the very next poster, for instance "drillanwr" same ol' same ol' ... marxist blah blah, socialist blah blah ... just some dumb name calling.

Its so funny that you say I'm the one who won't listen, and yet I continually offer up a reasoned argument, and what do I get back, but a list of reasons about me. Why I'm not worth your time. Not topical stuff, but what you think about me. So, who's the intolerant one not listening?

Are you with Dick Cheney here? Let's get rid of all government? Who cares about highways? Let's get rid of the postal service? Are you guys conservatives or anarchists? I don't think you even know what a conservative is if that's really your line of thinking.

"Quiz them on a subject, and you can always predict the answer they will give you."

I believe on our last interaction it was you who was grossly misinformed. Remember discussing the equal time rule and the fairness doctrine?

You want to jump to some evil conclusion about liberals, but we are your fellow Americans, like it or not. I own a business, I pay my taxes, I have a family, and I vote. Disagreements are welcome, but I will not tolerate being labeled one of your gross names. Its an easy out for you. If you can slap one of your simple labels on me, then you are justified in not having to listen.

And that's all you guys have been doing for a long time. You're not listening. You can't compromise. You're using sick tricks like claiming "death panels" ... which was one sorry ass tactic. You'll support one president's banking bailout to the tune of 800 Billion, and be happy about it when it pays for executive's golden parachutes, but then try to shut down a 2 bil plan for cash for clunkers that will actually help poor and middle class folks.

You'll shut your eyes and support a futile search for WMDs in the desert while war smoke is rising over Pakistan and North Korea. Who's not listening? You'll even shut your eyes to the will of the American people and an elected president all the while calling your contrymen you disagree with traitors and Socialists.

Who's the one not listening Otto?

And Otto, what next a defense of Whole Foods?

I don't need to defend Whole Foods. Notice how the twits on your side start a boycott when their head DARES to speak something that they disagree with? Dissent, again, is not something you tolerate. Religious fanatics never do.

Personally, I've almost never shopped there, but not because of anyone's politics. It's because there isn't one close to me. If they build one that's close, I'd shop there as long as they had a product I wanted at a price I was willing to pay.

For years they were supported by Liberals, and oops, now we won't. Guess you guys can now go there and never experience any culture.

Y'know, Goatse, there are times I don't know what the hell you're talking about. This is one of those times. "Never experience any culture?"

Beck's antics have led to this path,

You mean the boycott? Say it with me... "boycott."

And his "antics?" What would those be? Speaking his mind? Opposing you?

and again, it is the businesses decision.

Hey, if you leftist borg-drones don't want to shop with any advertisers on Beck's show, don't. I don't care. But don't pretend it's going to hurt him or FOX. Their ratings are through the roof, and there will always be advertisers who don't base business decisions on what a fringe of loud leftist tools think.

If they feel they would lose more than gain, it is their choice. The left is just nudging them.

And we can "nudge" them too, in the other direction.

Colors of Change has just near 800,000 signatures, which is a fraction within the population.

HAHAHAHA, an internet petition? Those are worthless, because they are too easy to fake. Am I supposed to be impressed with the number of people who've signed it? 800,000 is roughly one-third of the viewers of his show, every single day, and a far smaller fraction of those who listen to his radio show. If he wanted, he could easily match "Colors of Change." Oh, wait, he has... his "9-12 Project" has twice that in membership.

You lose, Goatse.

So, Beck is doing something to not only offend those who signed on, but the corporations themselves.

Then they don't have to advertise. Free country, and a free market, at least for a little while longer. Again, I don't care. What I *DO* care about is this little fantasy of yours that FOX and Beck are going to be hurt by this, that you will change anything.

Further Otto, your little diatribe of the left is misguided.

If you say so, drone. I've been arguing with you lefties for years, and you're all the same. There's not a bit of difference between you. Ghost of Wellstone is Brandon is Anonymous is every other cookie-cutter leftist who trolls this blog. You're interchangeable, arrogant, sneering children who just can't understand why anyone would want to disagree with them.

First off, Who is using the Nazi symbol to represent a minority? The right.

Umm, Nancy Pelosi just accused the people attending town hall meetings of carrying Nazi symbols. Try and keep up.

When did health care become a race issue? That's right, when our country achieved it's first black President.

Oh, for God's sake. Ghost, of all the profoundly stupid things you've said over all the time you've been loitering here, that may well be the stupidest. And that's saying something.

Nobody was working on major health care "reform" until Barack Obama and the Democrats came into office!!! In other words, you retarded clown, there was no need for us to start protesting until Obama and company started ramming this down our throats, trying to pass an unbelievably massive piece of legislation that would profoundly change health care in this country IN ONLY A FEW WEEKS! It has nothing to do with Obama's skin color... it has everything to do with his corrupt, socialist plans.

But here you are proving me right. You just can't get away from the assumption that conservatives are racists, can you?

And to compare us to the Klan is completely out of whack. How many black Republican Senators are there?

How many Democrat "ex" KKK members are there?

There have only EVER been four black senators. Why have Democrats elected so few? See, I can play this game too.

My point, which you missed, wasn't that you are Klan members (though the Klan was a Democrat organization)... it was that you HATE. Your leftists feel seething hatred towards those who dare to express opinions different than yours. Beck's real crime is that he's standing in your way. He's popular, and says things you don't like. It was the same way with Palin... the sheer venom expressed by you supposedly tolerant leftists was amazing to behold, and very educational. It wasn't enough to disagree with her political views; your side despised her personally.

Because she disagreed with you and was willing to speak her mind.

Or how about Jewish ? Or better yet, Muslim ?

(Why "better yet?")

We don't recruit based on race, or religion. Sorry, is there some minimum number? A sort of "affirmative action" for the Senate?

Give me a break!

I've already broken your arguments.

Goatse, even for you that was pathetic. Really.

Ugh, Whole Foods. I don't care at all about their politics, if they even have any. They do carry some nice fancy-pants products, but its over-priced for me.

We just call it "Whole Paycheck" or alternately "Food Hole" where I come from. Its for yuppies. Safeway, QFC and Freddy's have everything I need.

I suppose I struck a nerve with that post above. Good. Goatse and Anonymous Larry are in full defense mode.

I believe on our last interaction it was you who was grossly misinformed. Remember discussing the equal time rule and the fairness doctrine?

And which anonymous person were you? Let me get this straight... we went round and round about your idiotic refusal to pick a screen name, and now you're demanding that I remember a discussion we had? Your position (even assuming that you're the same anonymous) was that I should only concentrate on what you wrote at the time. So, NO, Larry, I don't remember it. I may have discussed something about the Fairness Doctrine with an "Anonymous," but there's no reason to assume it was you. If you want me to remember something you wrote, pick a screen name. Larry is a good one.

You want to jump to some evil conclusion about liberals, but we are your fellow Americans, like it or not.

I didn't say you weren't "fellow Americans." Try and keep up with what I actually say. It makes discussing things much easier.

I own a business, I pay my taxes, I have a family, and I vote.

Good for you. What that has to do with what I wrote, I'm not sure. I don't recall saying "leftists don't pay takes, have families, or vote." (Unless you're a member of Obama's cabinet, at least as far as the "taxes" thing goes. Never let it be said I'll pass up a cheap shot.)

Disagreements are welcome, but I will not tolerate being labeled one of your gross names.

You won't "tolerate" it? Yes you will. Because you don't have a choice. The only one who has a choice is the owner of this blog. As far as I am concerned, there's not a damned bit of difference between you and Wellstone. Quite frankly, we only need one of you.

Its an easy out for you.

Fun, too.

If you can slap one of your simple labels on me, then you are justified in not having to listen.

Oh, there are many reasons to ignore what you have to say, Larry. I spelled them out above.

And that's all you guys have been doing for a long time. You're not listening. You can't compromise. You're using sick tricks like claiming "death panels" ... which was one sorry ass tactic.

And YOUR side is using "sick tricks" like labeling those who dare to speak against this bill as racists and Nazis. Don't lecture me on how we're "not listening," hypocrite. You leftists have NEVER listened.

And why should you? You've painted us as heartless racist bastards for so long that you believe it.

You'll support one president's banking bailout to the tune of 800 Billion, and be happy about it when it pays for executive's golden parachutes,

We will? Hmm... checking... umm, nope. Wrong. I was totally against it. Try again, drone.

Y'see, we're not you. We don't agree with a President just because he has an "R" next to his name.

but then try to shut down a 2 bil plan for cash for clunkers that will actually help poor and middle class folks.

You really don't want to start discussing Cash for Clunkers, Larry. If the government runs their health care plan with the same skill they ran CfC, it'll be bankrupt in a month.

You'll shut your eyes and support a futile search for WMDs in the desert while war smoke is rising over Pakistan and North Korea.

Now we're discussing WMDs, Pakistan, and Korea? When did the subject change? Or do you have so little of substance to discuss that you'll try and shift attention to years-old arguments?

Who's not listening?

You.

You'll even shut your eyes to the will of the American people and an elected president all the while calling your contrymen you disagree with traitors and Socialists.

Oh, this is rich! Don't have any long-term memory at all, do you Larry? For EIGHT FRIKKIN' YEARS your side did that. You opposed an elected President, called us racists and warmongers and fascists, and now when you're on the receiving end you whine about it like petulant schoolgirls.

Do you have any clue how many times one of your ilk insulted me? Leftists told me I hated blacks, wanted to exterminate all Muslims, was just wanted corporations to run America, wanted poor people to starve to death, and every other invective one can imagine.

If you understand nothing else, understand this: What I wrote above is from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. You can lecture me all you like about how wonderfully open and tolerant you are... I know differently.

Who's the one not listening Otto?

Again, you.

"So, NO, Larry, I don't remember it."
Pretty convenient, and clear indication that you do remember.
As is your addressing me as "Larry"

"I didn't say you weren't "fellow Americans." Try and keep up with what I actually say. "
OK, well you did jump to some pretty awful conclusions about a whole group of people. Generalizations are ugly. I've heard some about Conservatives, but they're just generalizations. When you try to apply them to specific people, its gross. Many times even applying them to a group is terrible and wrong.

"Good for you. What that has to do with what I wrote"
It has everything to do with what you wrote. You're trying to attack me as a person. Instead of being able to stick with the topic at hand, you've dragged us down to "You're a such and such" with your list above. You say that I have no respect for another person's opinion, but in the next breath, you're expressing why nobody should have any respect for my opinion.

"You won't "tolerate" it?"
I only mean that I don't have to let you say it unchallenged. I challenge those assumptions. I am not the uppity pseudo-superior race-baiter that you are calling me.

Your one line snarky replies to actual topics I reference is just further proof. You didn't support the banking bailout? I didn't hear complains on here about it. Or if there were some, it was some baseless charges from Van that Obama had received campaign contributions from those banks as some kind of kickback for the bailout when 1) the bailout was a Bush bill, and 2) Corporations can't contribute to a candidates campaign. Elements he left out of his post to hopefully misdirect the gullible.

"Its fun too"
Uh huh. Its easy is what it is.

"Oh, there are many reasons to ignore what you have to say, Larry."
I mean, you ruin your own argument here. You're the one listening ... but you're ignoring me for many reasons. You're contradicting yourself.

"Now we're discussing WMDs, Pakistan, and Korea? When did the subject change? Or do you have so little of substance to discuss that you'll try and shift attention to years-old arguments?"
We're discussing it all. I'm pointing out some broad topics that while "years old" we're still dealing with the fallout from. THe public's attention span may be short, but the world still is shoveling through this garbage. Sorry to bore you.

You address multiple topics I mention: TARP, CfC, and WMD's with one line toss offs that are dismissive. I know you have much more to say, because I've heard it from you before. I know you're a thinking man, because I've seen it. I haven't ever painted you as an anything, hearltless bastard or otherwise. I think its sad that America is so divided when we're really so much alike. That guns and gays and abortion and a couple of public policy issues can keep people screaming at each other across a police line is terrible. I want to talk. This country used to be about taking and hammering out issues, and now all we are is a bumper sticker nation with slogans and talking points. I come here to actually hear and listen to what you folks have to say. Let's frikking have it!

We've all had bad experiences talking about this stuff with people on the other side of the fence. People get excited and say horrible things because the issues are really important to them. But lets not shout out sh*t we don't really mean. Let's not be brainless road-ragers, and instead try to honestly understand where the other side is coming from. Its definitely why I've been coming here on and off for the last six months. I want to get it. I wan to understand what other people, who I might actually like if we didn't discuss politics are coming from.

and the V.A. Damned buncha moochers. Any one who disagrees with me is a goddamned marxist liberal. Scream "traitor" at your mailman today and tell that sonabitch to get his socialism-tainted ass off your lawn.

Posted by: Dick Cheney at August 15, 2009 1:35 PM

Actually according to the US Constitution:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I am possibly and probably NOT alone in saying that "provide for the common defense" means V.A. services ... but that might just be me ... I mean, according to libs once someone's usefullness is done and they're too stinkin' old or "broken" and are draining the social resources they should be discarded.

BTW, "promote the general welfare" DOES NOT mean 'welfare' in the socialist/leftist/communist sense of the word. Someone should have `splained that to FDR and LBJ ... Hey, how's that "War on Poverty" working out for you 'feel-good' libs?

List of advertisers at the top open thread. My God, what a lively thread this has been! People got angry. Mmmmmm I like the smell of lib fear.

Pretty convenient, and clear indication that you do remember.

You missed the point. I was making a point about your refusal to use a screen name, but then demanding I remember an argument we'd had. You're "Anonymous," remember?

As is your addressing me as "Larry"

ALL Anonymous commenters are Larry. Liberal and conservative alike. Am I supposed to somehow magically know which one of you I'm addressing? Should I assume that the Anonymous trolls who drop in here from time to time and toss insults aren't you? Or is you?

I've bugged you about this before, then gave up, because it wasn't worth the time.

OK, well you did jump to some pretty awful conclusions about a whole group of people.

Again, personal experience. I've seen far too much of the ugliness of the left. Your side talks a good game about tolerance, but can be truly vile people. The Speaker of the House implied that conservatives attending town halls are Nazis. NAZIS. If someone called me that to my face, I'd kick their ass. My dad's army unit was one of the ones that liberated Mauthausen. I have photos of his army buddies at the camp, surrounded by corpses. Calling people who disagree politically "Nazis" is to me like calling a black person the N-word. As they say, them's fightin' words.

And the left uses that term casually. Do you have any idea how many lefties have called me that? I lost track a long time ago. I've had liberals tell me I should die. I've had one threaten to track me down beat the shit out of me. I've been called every name in the book. But that's the internet, and it's in the end no big deal. They're just words.

The accusations of racism, fascism, and bigotry are now coming from the leadership of the left at a blinding pace, so much so that I can't even keep up. Do you understand what's going on? The politicians on your side, the commenters on your side, are insulting MILLIONS of citizens with the foulest accusations merely because we're pissed off about this ridiculous plan.

And you want to lecture ME? Police your own.

Generalizations are ugly. I've heard some about Conservatives, but they're just generalizations.

They're now coming from your leadership. You guys may think Beck is bad, but he doesn't have any power. He's just a commentator.

When you try to apply them to specific people, its gross. Many times even applying them to a group is terrible and wrong.

Again, I've been arguing with your side for YEARS. I didn't just pull that list out of my ass... it comes from experience. If you don't like being tarred with the same brush then prove me wrong with your behavior.

It has everything to do with what you wrote. You're trying to attack me as a person.

You don't like being lumped in with the others? Good. Maybe there's hope for you.

Instead of being able to stick with the topic at hand, you've dragged us down to "You're a such and such" with your list above.

Have you bothered reading this thread? "Meh" and Goatse dragged it down long before I posted that. You didn't object when they were painting us as a bunch of gun-loving Bible-thumpers.

You say that I have no respect for another person's opinion, but in the next breath, you're expressing why nobody should have any respect for my opinion.

And I've already spelled out why.

I only mean that I don't have to let you say it unchallenged. I challenge those assumptions. I am not the uppity pseudo-superior race-baiter that you are calling me.

Am I being unfair? Totally. I'm tired of trolls, and lately you guys been getting worse. Blog after blog, all clogged with leftists all of whom are saying the same things. I spent hours a few days ago on a different blog, carefully going over what was wrong with the health care plan and why it won't work. And NOTHING I said got through. Nothing. It was like talking to a wall, except walls don't call me a racist. And the trolls there exhibited every one of the qualities I listed above. Even in this thread we have trolls who fit those qualities.

Your one line snarky replies to actual topics I reference is just further proof. You didn't support the banking bailout? I didn't hear complains on here about it.

Oh, sorry, I don't comment on every thread. Shockingly enough, there are days when I don't even (gasp!) go on the internet!

Do you somehow think I have to justify my positions to you? Or prove them to you?

Or if there were some, it was some baseless charges from Van that Obama had received campaign contributions from those banks as some kind of kickback for the bailout when 1) the bailout was a Bush bill, and 2) Corporations can't contribute to a candidates campaign. Elements he left out of his post to hopefully misdirect the gullible.

Hmm. Yeah. Again, I don't read every post Van makes, and don't always comment when I do.

Uh huh. Its easy is what it is.

Things can be easy and fun.

I mean, you ruin your own argument here. You're the one listening ... but you're ignoring me for many reasons. You're contradicting yourself.

I'm certainly not ignoring you.

We're discussing it all.

Since when? YOU may want to discuss it all, but I have no intention of getting pulled into years-old arguments about WMDs. I've been down that road too, and I know where it leads.

I'm pointing out some broad topics that while "years old" we're still dealing with the fallout from. THe public's attention span may be short, but the world still is shoveling through this garbage. Sorry to bore you. You address multiple topics I mention: TARP, CfC, and WMD's with one line toss offs that are dismissive.

Yep. Because I have no intention of discussing them.

I know you have much more to say, because I've heard it from you before. I know you're a thinking man, because I've seen it. I haven't ever painted you as an anything, hearltless bastard or otherwise.

"But seriously, dissent is great when you actually know what you are dissenting against. at this point the right just makes up stuff to dissent against, because none of you, for example have any idea what you are even so pissed off about."

You think we're idiots, Larry. You don't think we on the right are "thinking men." You think we don't know what we're dissenting on. You talk about being against generalizations while making sweeping ones. I wouldn't have even remembered that pre-written list I posted if you hadn't made that comment.

I think its sad that America is so divided when we're really so much alike. That guns and gays and abortion and a couple of public policy issues can keep people screaming at each other across a police line is terrible.

I'm not concerned with those subjects right now. I'm concerned with this: Right now, the US budget deficit is over 1.27 TRILLION DOLLARS SO FAR. I was against Bush's outrageous deficits, so how could I not be against Obama's 3X+ budget deficits? You Democrats have tried to shove through cap and trade, a wasteful, pork-laden stimulus bill, and now this monstrosity of a health care plan. YOU ARE DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY. It's as if you've lost all sanity, all common sense. A few years ago, Democrats were attacking Bush's out-of-control spending. And when they got into office, they were far worse than he was.

Do you understand what is coming? Double-digit inflation, if we're lucky. Sustained high unemployment. Higher taxes on everyone, despite Obama's pledge to not raise taxes on the poor and middle class. I blogged about it here a while back.

And our so-called "representatives" aren't listening. So yeah, we're pissed.

I want to talk. This country used to be about taking and hammering out issues, and now all we are is a bumper sticker nation with slogans and talking points. I come here to actually hear and listen to what you folks have to say. Let's frikking have it!

Then listen. Personally, I'm tired of being the canary in the coal mine. I'm tired of yelling "STOP!" only to be ignored.

We've all had bad experiences talking about this stuff with people on the other side of the fence. People get excited and say horrible things because the issues are really important to them. But lets not shout out sh*t we don't really mean. Let's not be brainless road-ragers, and instead try to honestly understand where the other side is coming from. Its definitely why I've been coming here on and off for the last six months. I want to get it. I wan to understand what other people, who I might actually like if we didn't discuss politics are coming from.

All right then, let's see.

I'll make you a deal: pick a screen name, and I'll call a truce. Anything at all. I don't care what. Show me that you're listening to even a basic complaint I've had about you. That way I know that I'm talking to the same person.

Don't quote the Constitution at me, you hippie marxist. The Constitution means what I say it means. As Vice-President I was not under the authority of the executive or legislative branches. Is that in the Constitution? It is if I say so. You dirty socialist trash can go fuck yourselves. I should've had you all waterboarded then shot you in the face.

Don't quote the Constitution at me, you hippie marxist. The Constitution means what I say it means. As Vice-President I was not under the authority of the executive or legislative branches. Is that in the Constitution? It is if I say so. You dirty socialist trash can go fuck yourselves. I should've had you all waterboarded then shot you in the face.

Posted by: Dick Cheney at August 15, 2009 7:17 PM

YOU are a sick f*ck ... Translated into Marxist terms ... "useful idiot".

You are serving the master plan by blathering aimlessly like some nutcase in an intitution finger painting on the dirty wall with his own crap while off-key humming some nagging pre-school tune.

Carry on ...

Just dropped Progressive!

"Ghost of Wellstone is Brandon is Anonymous is every other cookie-cutter leftist who trolls this blog. You're interchangeable, arrogant, sneering children who just can't understand why anyone would want to disagree with them.

Otto, there are lemmings and drones in every group.

I can't say I have enough education to know everything, but I am not just grabbing on to the basic liberal belief system.

Why is it that you, and Kharn, and Dave, and Farmer Ted, and V the K and probably a dozen others here have at some point decided, falsely, that they know what I think? What evidence do you have that I am a cookie cutter liberal?

I think you guys have a caricature of a liberal in your imagination, and it's put together by all the worst examples of liberals in the conservative mythology.

I am against abortion, how does that fit in with your cookie cutter philosophy? I am against socialism, and a publicly run insurance company. Was that part of your cookie cutter? I understand that low taxes are important for a thriving economy, but I guess you knew that already since all the liberals believe the same thing.

Can't wait to start buying the products and services of the companies who take the place of Gieco, Progressive, Sargento, Proctor & Gamble. As for the directors of those four cowardly run companies, you whores knew what Beck talked about and loved the viewership until you let your socialist lovefest with Obama overcame your greed ... we'll all be sure to buy from your competitors and won't forget your flakiness. BTW - of course Obama is a racist and hates whitey - he soaked up Rev. Wright's racist black liberation rants for decades before he had to throw him under the bus for appearances sake.