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Looks like her and Nancy PolPotLucy share the same face stretcher.

And now they're UNPATRIOTIC
http://jumpinginpools.blogspot.com/2009/08/obama-opponents-of-obamacare.html

So Babs, let me get this right: We are not supposed "change the Congress"? Your supposed to stay there forever if you want to?

You should see the mountains of hate mail for her and Pelosi at Gradegov.com.

A list of upcoming Democratic Town Halls, just in case anyone is interested.

Make sure you wear tie-die and slather yourself with lots of patchouli oil. Oh, it also helps if you don't wash your hair for a week. This way you will be taken seriously as a concerned and rational voice by your Democratic Congress Critter.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/demtownhall.pdf

Yes, Boxer, Ronaldus Maximus was from California...before the liberal infestation set in.

"Yes, Boxer, Ronaldus Maximus was from California...before the liberal infestation set in."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 8, 2009 10:22 AM

You said it! The infestation of elitism mixed with patchouli and Hollywood ignorance here in CA stinks! Looks like Boxer is from New York originally - wish she would retire and go home and take Pelosy with her!

How many more time do we have to listen to this mindless ol hens stupid clucking? IT DRIVES ME TO MIGRATE REALY SQUAWK SQUAWK SQUAWK

WE have our chance to tell them how we feel very soon - GET OUT AND VOTE!!

Let's just hope it works! Babs is describing change I can believe in!

Ted, you are absolutely correct. While I enjoy watching the dumbass Dems squirm and squeal over the "hate" being directed at them, it would be far more effective (and more scary) if we start reminding people how important it is to vote. There's nothing these turds hate more than the thought of being out of power and while they can criticize the town hall patriotic protesters, there's nothing they can do if millions vote them out in 2010.

As the late Peter Jennings said about the 1994 "Rush Revolution", "The voters had a temper tantrum last week....".

I wish old Pete was here to see the "temper tantrum" that will be thrown in 2010.

That's right Babs the bitch. We want Obama and your kind out of office. Your fucking up the country.

By the way you look like a has been porn star.

FOAD

In case you don't know, the healthcare reform in HR 3200 is NOT socialized medicine. Doctors will NOT be employees of the government.

And why would it be so bad even if that were the case? We have worse infant mortality and shorter lifespan than all our industrialized peers (except for China). Countries with socialized medicine ALL do better than we do on infant mortality and longer lifespan.

Economies like France, Finland, etc. with socialized medicine are STILL capitalist countries, but they have wisely found a healthcare system that is better than ours. If you don't like the label of socialism, just call it "Great Patriot Healthcare" or something.

My favorite anti-Obamacare comment is "Get your government hands off my Medicare". In case you don't know, Medicare is a Federally funded, tax subsidized health care plan for people over age 65. It works well. It has funding problems related to demographics, increeases in provider and hardware costs, etc., but overall works well.

HR 3200 will do NOTHING to change Medicare. Granny and Grandpa will CONTINUE to have health care, regardless of whether they are rich, poor, democrat or republican.

You can call healthcare reform as evil as you want, but having 47,000,000 uninsured Americans, and probably another 50-100,000,000 underinsured is a national crisis and threat to our economic SECURITY. Not wanting to cover those people is truly evil and selfish, IMO.

Hey, if you want no government intrusion to your life, live that way. Don't collect unemployment or welfare, don't call a cop or fireman in an emergency, and don't enroll in Medicare when you are eligible. It's your choice.

Posted by: mark in Boston at August 8, 2009 2:01 PM

Show me Mr. liberal. Fuck france and the rest of the socialised governments. That's not the American way Libtard. Go back to Baston.

BTW Mr. Baston,

There is a big difference between health care reform and health insurance reform. They are two entirely different reforms. Do you know the difference? Does tort reform mean anything to you,ark from Baston?

Thank you, comrade Mark, for allaying the suspicions of the kulaks.

We have worse infant mortality and shorter lifespan than all our industrialized peers (except for China). Countries with socialized medicine ALL do better than we do on infant mortality and longer lifespan.

Crap. Total crap. First, we count as live births all infants who draw a breath, including preemies. Most other countries do not, and use criteria that exclude many deaths that we count (e.g., deaths in childbirth, or immediately after birth, are generally counted as stillbirths elsewhere, but not here).

Second, we have a significant fraction of the population that goes in drug use, especially crack, during pregnancy.

Third, the top causes of infant mortality are congenital malformations (tough to do anything about that), disorders related to short gestation and low birthweight (disproportionately affected by IVF, obviously), and SIDS (again, tough to do anything about that).

Socialized medicine would knock out the second of these, since there's no way the state will pay for IVF (feminists and other liberal women appear not to have figured that out), and that would significantly lower the infant mortality rate.

Third, we also have a whacking great murder rate from black teenagers killing each other. In fact, homicide is the leading cause of death among black males 15-24.

The top causes of infant mortality are congenital malformations (tough to do anything about that), disorders related to short gestation and low birthweight (disproportionately affected by IVF, obviously), and SIDS (again, tough to do anything about that).

So the differences in morbidity and mortality statistics, to the extent they are real, are not necessarily attributable to health care differences. But nice try.

"having 47,000,000 uninsured Americans, and probably another 50-100,000,000 underinsured is a national crisis and threat to our economic SECURITY. Not wanting to cover those people is truly evil and selfish, IMO"

Here is where we make a clean break from you Mark.

Those who BUST THEIR ASS WORKING day after day are somehow selfish and evil for having earned money and paying their way for better care?

You see, you feel that 47 million people MUST have something, and the other 180 million or so MUST pay for it.

You see people whom, apparently, can't go work, like the rest of us.

You see people who have a right to happiness, instead of pursuing it. You offer entitlements and ignore the needed duty that another has to provide it.

I don't have a home security system, that's a threat to my security, should everyone else pay for it? I don't have full coverage on my car, should everyone else pay for it?

Should we all be on a level playing field when it comes to care? So my hard work and effort allows me to go and see the same doctor and get the same medicine that the lazy get to have at no cost? We all become peasants of the kingdom?

What's that saying again... Capitalism is the unequal distribution of riches... Socialism is the equal distribution of misery. Which do you prefer?

Another thing:

"Hey, if you want no government intrusion to your life, live that way. Don't collect unemployment or welfare, don't call a cop or fireman in an emergency, and don't enroll in Medicare when you are eligible. It's your choice."

Read your Constitution idiot. Our government has the duty to protect its citizens, ie. firemen, cops. Welfare if you REALLY need it, and MEDICARE if you're an old fart now. And most importantly, Mark in Boston, remember this:

THE GOVERNMENT ISN'T "GIVING" US *ANYTHING*, WE *PAID* FOR IT !!!!

Boxer is an embarrassment to all primates.

Anyone remember the 1996 movie, "The Birdcage"? In it, an "evil right-wing moralistic congressman" has to run and hide from a mad/angry mob to avoid being accosted. This movie was the rage back then and was up for all sorts of awards. An angry mob, back then, was celebrated. I guess it all depends on who The Mob is, eh?

"Doug at August 8, 2009 6:44 PM"

Sounds like a bad remake of "The Ritz", a very funny play and movie.

You are welcome to refute my allegations that all our industrial peers (excepting China) have better infant mortality rates and longer lifespans - refrute all you want!

The information quoted is from the CIA Factbook. Look it up before you flame me, please.

Hey, if you make enough money to never lose coverage, never divorce and lose coverage, lose a job, etc., etc., you won't need reformed healthcare right now. Unfortunately, the system we have in place (given straight line regression) will essentially cover fewer and fewer Americans, at greater and greater cost.

One day you might actually need the kind of coverage the reform bill offers, healthcare that does not make you bankrupt. We pay about 16% of GDP for healthcare, and still lag our competition. We must change. Get over it!!

I can appreciate the "No government" movement. I think the Federal government is perhaps larger then is needs to be. I think Bush's Homeland Security bureau is a huge, huge waste of money. I imagine that will set off a flame storm...

Regardless, we need rules, laws, leaders, and taxes. Is it fair to pay property tax if you have no kids in public school? No, but as a society, the benefits of education outweigh individual options to not pay such tax, which also protects you with police, fire, paved roads, et al.

Meanwhile, get out of the way of millions of fellow citizens that really need healthcare. Please.

Jay Guevara - great handle, BTW, and I appreciate your comments. I think you and I are really not that far apart ideologically. I think you say a lot of intereting things, but ultimately, the bottom line is that a healthy, educated USA is competitive, and a sick, stupid USA is not. We need to promote changes that make us competitive, and I see public healthcare as a needed change.

If the idiots (misguided and purposeful) are so freaking certain "everyone" wants it, lets vote.

Actually - that's about to happen - next year. I predict the "most powerful woman in thw world" will be reduced to a sill minority leader again.

We'll see, won't we, Maaaak from Baaaaastin.

MarkfromBoston:

I'd consider government run healthcare if all of Congressman and Senators would be on the same health care plan as me.

Huckabee asked Loretta Sanchez from my state of California that same question tonight. She said and I'm not quoting her verbatum that she would keep her private insurance that she pays for as a federal employee.

So if the healthcare plan is really what is good for Americans it should be good for our Congressmen. We should have the very same care as the congressman and senators do. We're just as important and we pay their salary.

The bottom line is that our elected officials know damn well this healthcare is a fiasco.

Here's a thought, allow healthcare premiums to be a tax deduction just like an IRA is. The IRA program works quite well. People like me contribute to an IRA and get a tax deduction every single year. So if you paid $5K a year healthcare premiums, you could deduct that from your taxes.

It's all about control Mark. First the bailouts, the stimulus, etc..ad nauseum.

The Obama administration is hell bent on creating a massive big government that steps into every single facet of our life.

Mark in Boston...FOAD.

"Regardless, we need rules, laws, leaders, and taxes. Is it fair to pay property tax if you have no kids in public school? No, but as a society, the benefits of education outweigh individual options to not pay such tax, which also protects you with police, fire, paved roads, et al.

Meanwhile, get out of the way of millions of fellow citizens that really need healthcare. Please."

Sir... again... please read your Constitution.

You clearly don't understand. This is a democratic REPUBLIC, based on INDIVIDUAL rights. Our federal government is NOT organized with the higher purpose of benefiting our society at the expense of individuals. You cannot tell people to "get out of the way" and force taxes upon them.

Property tax and millage tax are imposed at a LOCAL level!!

I would prefer that those who do not have children NOT pay schools/education. And I have two kids. If you come up with a better way, please suggest it to you city council or county board of directors. If you can find a county that does not impose this, you are free to move to it.

FOR GOODNESS SAKES take a class in American civics!!!

Jay Guevara - great handle, BTW, and I appreciate your comments. I think you and I are really not that far apart ideologically. I think you say a lot of intereting things, but ultimately, the bottom line is that a healthy, educated USA is competitive, and a sick, stupid USA is not. We need to promote changes that make us competitive, and I see public healthcare as a needed change.

Mark, fair enough. We fully agree on the need for a healthy, educated USA, but perhaps differ on how to continue that.

First, I don't think we need changes to make us competitive – we're kicking the world's ass economically in per capita income, job creation, standard of living, or any other measure – but rather we need to remain competitive.

The biggest problem we have with healthcare is that it's tied to employment, and that makes no sense whatever. (This practice started in WWII, when auto manufacturers offered health care to attract prospective employees as a way of getting around wage controls. Unions then started pushing for health care in other industries, and the rest is history.)

Why should employers offer health care insurance, but not, for example, auto insurance? It's crazy. Why do they do it? Because employers get a tax break for doing so. It's effectively subsidized by the government. We should eliminate the health care tax break for businesses, and tax health care benefits to employees (those benefits are, after all, income to the employee). (Bush tried to implement taxes on health care benefits above a certain (rather high) threshold, but it got shot down.)

Only those of us who are self-employed know how much health insurance costs. Most people have no idea, and they need to know this. Further, we need to decouple health care from employment, because the present system reduces labor mobility. (Poor labor mobility is one reason European economies are so anemic, btw.)

And as for improving education, with which I heartily agree (I'm a former academic), let's get rid of the bogus departments. Anything with "studies" in it is crap. Black studies, women's studies, Chicano studies, whatever, are all 100% rubbish, pure academic sandboxes for intellectual lightweights, sinecures for leftist agitators. Pare back other bogus departments that warehouse students and faculty who have no business in academia. Sociology – pretty much all crap. Anthropology – half crap. Humanities – the subjects per se are worthwhile, but the departments are bloated. Graduate studies in those departments should be cut back to faculty replacement levels.

Universities need to rebalance toward math, the (real) sciences, and engineering, with enough of the fluff departments to teach service courses in those subjects. We don't need another 500 Ph.D. theses on Shakespeare. (For my sins, I once was roped into a committee that awarded graduate fellowships across all disciplines. Candidates described their work on counting the frequency with which Shakespeare said "Gadzooks" (or something) per scene in his various plays to figure out whether he wrote all of them. Seriously. I'm not making that up. Another physical scientist on the committee and I looked at each other and rolled our eyes.)