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I await the first troll to tell us the passage that was quoted directly from the bill ... isn't really in the bill and we're misinformed and ignorant.

Guess these NUTS haven't been following the nutrition/weight loss program.

I'd like to see them step into my home. They won't be leaving on their own accord, but by stretcher.

When do we start the lawsuits? Drag these assholes into court constantly, until they give up this crap. Where's that dufus anonymoose to defend it? Probably out munching on a fat bacon cheeseburger. Hypocrites.

So...are they going to ban homosexuality too, for spreading disease?

I know. It's a rhetorical question.

Wow. Actually making America less obese, sedentary, and bloated? Yeah, that sucks...

I kinda find myself wondering how many of you are fat-ass couch-locked diabetics eating HoHos and working toward a towering rage over what is, in fact, an excellent idea...

We all want the make sure that those who need heathcare can have it (except for those who don't - you go sit in the corner) and we all know that the simplest way to reduce healthcare costs is to have a healthier population base.

Where's the problem? You are all thinking in your conspiracy-theory-addled brains that somehow this will equate to some government employee staring over your shoulder, forcing you do what, put the fork down after the 2nd helping of beef-a-roni? Run a few laps, or do a few situps? (Or is this REALLY about your inherent fear that the government will whip you into shape by putting you to work in the abortion mines...)

What the deuce is wrong with emphasizing HEALTHIER PEOPLE?

Good one, Jay!

I have yet to see one single ACORN dork who wasn't a sweaty, huffing, obese turd. Every last one of them seems to have an ass that's at least a yardstick wide. Pot/Kettle/Very Dark Gray (but not 'black' because, that's like racist or something)

Anonymous, let me put it to you this way. A future administration determines that promiscuity is a health hazard that is costing us billions of dollars every year to treat diseases that come about from it (which is already true, it's just that no one wants to admit it). Are you okay with them coming to your home and doing a full sex history and telling you how to run your sex life? I mean, they would be right that mongamy would be a healthier choice, what kind of a moron would be against such a government program?

How much more before the people revolt?

If you asked Obama, I'm sure he'd tell you he already found the people to be revolting...oh wait, you meant revolting as in uprising, never mind.

Anonymous, it's not about health it's about *CONTROL*. If you give the Gov control of every aspect of your life what is going to happen when those that come into power are not the ones you want?

I don't smoke, don't drink, and have a healthy BMI, but what business is it of the government's?

Interesting to note they also want to measure "other factors" using community specific data from the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance Survey; and "other factors" as determined by the Secretary.

Like the current Administration, the Nazi's were also keenly interested in determining various "measures" of the population they wanted to control, and got much of the useful information from the required German census, which they used along with IBM's Hollerith punch-card machines--as a unique and critical tool in their task of cataloguing and dispatching their millions of victims. For more information, read Edwin Black's book "IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation"

Here these same left wing community fringe groups like ACORN will be taking the census.

Is anyone, even the trolls, a little worried what they plan to do with all these measurements and information they want?

I may just give my name rank and serial number.

And of course more about the Nazis....

Ill answer those who keep saying "yeah, but what if in the future..." thusly:

When it is NOT a good idea. You act as if no matter what this is all going to end in facist conspiracies. Which is patently absurd. Know how I know that? If it were ACTUALLY going to happen, even the people like me would be against it. BUT, since it is nonsensical strawman-baiting, I am for the healthier, less expensive, fully-insured electorate.

See how that makes sense?

You don't, do you. Well, be sure to drop this month's bescribbled newspaper clippings into the mailbox at the abandoned warehouse; if you stop seeking out the conspiracy theories, the (communists? pirates? unicorns?) win!

DMD

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Obamacare is a fine example of the push for equality of outcome as opposed to equality of opportunity.
Equality of opportunity offers no guarantees. It results in many achieving according to their talents and drive and some failing for lack of same.

Equality of outcome can only guarantee poor results for all affected due to natural shortages of resources and the corruption inherent in any bureacracy. It rewards failure equal to it’s punishment of success and is therefore counterproductive. But it is also countercultural and thus attractive to the left while it appeals to their infantile concept of fairness.

SKYFOX on August 19, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Why should the government be paying anyone to monitor citizen's health? The Government, in case the leftists haven't noticed, is running deficits in excess of a trillion dollars a year. There's no reason in this environment to be paying "community organizers" to go door to door saying, "Y'all are too fat!" It's pure waste, pure patronage, and an infringement on people's right to be left alone.

Why are you so sure it won't happen? I bet the Jews in Germany never thought they would be put in ovens either. You're for a COERCED healthier less expensive blah, blah, blah.... Whatever happened to FREEDOM?

Being overweight in the black community is very common. I wonder how they will react when Obamas soldiers take them on forced marches so they can lose weight.

The left used to be for nationalization of industry but now they are much more truthful and consistent. They want to nationalize the population.

Union meetings and picket lines often look like a WEIGHT WATCHERS convention. But Im guessing they will get an exemption from THE ONE.

Exibit A - Congressment Jerrold Nadler - he must be the fattest politician since Prez. William Howard Taft. NADler looks like a beached Sperm Whale.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 19, 2009 10:47 AM

Posts like the one from this person perfectly illustrate that the Left has no concept of freedom, liberty, or the American way of life.

BUT, since it is nonsensical strawman-baiting, I am for the healthier, less expensive, fully-insured electorate.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 19, 2009 11:22 AM

Well then get cracking and start up a company that provides it to people. You do not have the right to force the population to do what you think is right. You do have the right to create a company that does what you wish to accomplish. As long as it's all done on a free and voluntary basis. That is the difference between living in freedom and living in a slave state. You do not have the right to use the force of government to force people to do what you think is right.

Yeah, anon, Pastor Niemoller thought he could wait out the abuses, too...

"First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me."

Personally, I can't wait until the ACORN dudes show up to tell Michael Moore he needs to lost a few lbs.

Hehehehehe....

Wow. Actually making America less obese, sedentary, and bloated? Yeah, that sucks...

It's always about FORCE with you communists. It's NEVER about personal choice or responsibility. How about I MAKE you buy me new shoes, because I want them weather you like it or not! Just hand me you money because I said so. If someone really wants to lose weight they will, if not then that's their descision NOT yours idiot!

I kinda find myself wondering how many of you are fat-ass couch-locked diabetics

My guess is your projecting your own situation on us. Honey my mesurements are 38-29-42 and I work out all the time, I haven't sat on my couch in months and am out dancing almost every weekend.

As usaul YOU are just another moron who makes wild assumptions about anthing you can to vainly attempt to come off as superior to others which you NEVER will be.

Didn't you just say how you loathe

since it is nonsensical strawman-baiting

Looks like you're GUILTY of doing what you claim you despise. Pretty typical for an inept moron like you who really can't support your idiocy with knowledge!

eating HoHos and working toward a towering rage over what is, in fact, an excellent idea...

I actually like cupcakes better, and usually they make me feel prety good which is better than your continued:

nonsensical strawman-baiting

It really must suck for you to get slapped around by your own standard huh? Examining your stupidity and highlighting your intolerance is far to easy.

We all want the make sure that those who need heathcare can have it

By FORCING people to have it while controling their lives? There is no "we" sweetheart, it's just the comminists like YOU who want this fiasco of idiocy!

we all know that the simplest way to reduce healthcare costs is to have a healthier population base.

No matter how healthy you are, a car wreak can change EVERYTHING about your helth care cost, an accidental injury will change EVERYTHING about your cost of medical care, a diagnosis of cancer will change EVERYTHING about the COST of healthcare for anyone who has these or a thousand other problems dummy! Just listening to your uneducated insepid drivel is causing brain damage to the readers here.

Where's the problem?

Look in the mirror and you will see it!!

You are all thinking in your conspiracy-theory-addled brains that somehow this will equate to some government employee staring over your shoulder

IT's ALREADY happening with the assault on smokers, the constant defamation of carnivores by PETA, and (vi) other factors as determined by the Secretary. The government has no constitutional authority to tell me what to eat, how much, or how often. There is NO legal justification to tell anyone how they should live you mental infant.

forcing you do what, put the fork down after the 2nd helping of beef-a-roni?

I'm sure you will love having someone:ii) increases in proper nutrition; because YOU are to stupid to know how to eat or what SOMEONE ELSE determins is "proper", I'm also thrilled that SOMEONE ELSE will decide your(iii) increases in physical activity; to THEIR satisfaction and not your own. What happens if you dont have time to go to a gym moron? Are YOU willing to pay a fine or be punishid in some way because you couldn't meet the guidlines set by SOMEONE ELSE? Or what about v) other factors using community specific data from the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance Survey that ARE NOT decided by you but again it's SOMBODY ELSE making the decision about how you conduct your life!!

Run a few laps, or do a few situps?

I will pay you 50,000.00 doallars if you can find "Run a few laps" or "do a few situps" in the constitution, the bill of rights, or the congressional powers listed in them. It's NONE of your buisness how often ANYONE exercises!!

Or is this REALLY about your inherent fear that the government will whip you into shape by putting you to work in the abortion mines

I only fear the government because complete fools like you are in charge and can't stop yourselves from being such a busybody and trying to run everyone elses life when your own is an utter failure. Your ideas are beyond idiotic, you plans are historical failures, and you prove consistanly how much of a mental midget you are!!

What the deuce is wrong with emphasizing HEALTHIER PEOPLE?

It's NOT your job, NOT your resposibility, NOT your buisness idiot; THAT'S WHAT!

Thanks again, darling lefties, for illustrating the guiding difference between left and right.

Right: "Being obese is bad. I should watch what I eat and exercise."

Left: "Being obese is bad. The government should do something about it."

Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.

~Robert A. Heinlein

Again I ask, what the hell is wrong with you fascist progressives that you just can't leave people the hell alone?

Each and everyone one of you wacko progressives are equally as despicable as the leftist socialist Nazis who also sought to control every aspect of people's lives.

And yes, the comparison is accurate, reasonable, and correct.

I will gladly provide ACORN a stool sample if they feel the need to monitor my diet.

So how much HOT AIR is being produced by that moonbat with the bull horn and why is ACORNS sign red like that? ACORN, ANACISTS,COMMUNISTS,OFFENSIVE ROTHEADS

None of you understand that this is not real? None of you will have a provate ACORN worker up your butt making you ado anything.

BUT, providing access to better information about how a diet of meth and HHos is bad for you will SAVE MINEY. Aren't all you small-government conservatives supposed to be in a lathered frenzy over the deficit for healthcare? It'll pay for itself in a decade if there are not so many dumb, fat people...

You clearly aren't doing it for yourselves. Maybe some eduation will help. Certainly can't hurt.

Anon @ 10:47am.

You’re WAY out of your league here. How many of us are obese diabetes ridden people? Not me. The last time I was a patient in a hospital was 30 years ago and that was due to a car accident.

I workout 6 days a week, surf and power yoga. My abs are tighter than most 19 year olds and I’m 50. I eat healthy, RARELY drink alcohol and only occasionally imbibe in dark chocolate or some chips.

Being obese is a CHOICE. If someone is obese it’s because they’re not motivated or disciplined to eat right (i.e. fruits and vegetables which is common sense). I have a couple of friends who whine about their weight. The government can’t force them off the couch to work-out and eat healthy. Oh no, they want bypass surgery. Sickening. Once it’s again it’s their choice about their lifestyle choices.

The government has no right to tell any of what we have to weigh. It’s my business what I eat, what I drink and what I do. As long as my behavior does not harm others it’s no one’s business. Something you lefties have no clue about.

I echo the one statement made above. If you go to an Acorn rally you’d swear you were at a weight watchers convention. Maybe Jenny Craig can sponsors these folks?

Actually making America less obese, sedentary, and bloated?

Don't forget "less queer" too. Dare I add "less given to smoking?" (Don't report me, comrade.)

Note also the operative word: "making." As in "coercing."

Being overweight in the black community is very common.

Also true among Hispanics, and, of course, lesbians, most of whom bear a striking resemblance to Dick Butkus. Gonna be a lot of people marched to the fat camps.

Anon @ 10:47am.

It's not real? You don't say. Glad you were able to enlighten us. Try googling the term 'making light of' and enlighten yourself.

I've already warned my chronically polite wife that I will not be allowing anyone from ACORN into my home for any reason, no matter the consequences to me. Not gonna happen.

You know something? If we have acorn coming around monitoring our "healthfulness" they'll be using standards like BMI, which is bogus. It's aimed at stick people. I personally have a BMI that qualifies as seriously obese, yet I sink in water. That means my percent body fat is so low that I'm more dense than water. Yeah, I weigh a lot, but it's muscular. I have 36 jeans that I need a belt to hold up.

None of that, however, goes to the fact that it's none of the government's damn business to watch me day to day and tell me what to do and how to do it. If one of those acorn assholes shows up to my house, it's revolution on.

Being obese is a CHOICE. If someone is obese it’s because they’re not motivated or disciplined to eat right

Janet, that's bullshit--and useful idiots like you peddling that bullshit is how the fascist "progressives" chose "weight" as their means to seize control of everyone's life.

Well then get cracking and start up a company that provides it to people. You do not have the right to force the population to do what you think is right. You do have the right to create a company that does what you wish to accomplish. As long as it's all done on a free and voluntary basis. That is the difference between living in freedom and living in a slave state. You do not have the right to use the force of government to force people to do what you think is right.

This is the crux of the argument against liberalism/leftism in this Republic.

Well said.

You do not have the right to use the force of government to force people to do what you think is right."

It is already happening. How 'bout something positive for once? But if you insist, I guess you will sign my petition to remove 'in god we trust' from all currency, and abolish all religious 'blue laws' that prevent me from getting hammered before noon on Sundays? That is the government making rules that directly mess with people's day-to-day lives (far more than anything else discussed these days)...

Well then... welcome to the party.

It'll pay for itself in a decade if there are not so many dumb, fat people...
Posted by: Anonymous at August 19, 2009 1:14 PM

this is the type of unsubstantiated information "dear leader" likes to toss around, kinda like "$50,000 amputations".

"AreYouAllMental at August 19, 2009 2:40 PM"

OK, let's play

"It is already happening. How 'bout something positive for once? But if you insist, I guess you will sign my petition to remove 'in god we trust' from all currency,"

Do you mean that our NATIONAL MOTTO should not appier anywhere? Or that we should have none?

"and abolish all religious 'blue laws' that prevent me from getting hammered before noon on Sundays?"

That's a STATE law, not NATIONAL. States were recognised as having MORE AUTHORITY than the federal government. The word "state" even means "country".
But anyway, why didn't you buy your booze Saturday night? Did you drink it all already, you lush?

"That is the government making rules that directly mess with people's day-to-day lives (far more than anything else discussed these days)..."

If this was all they had done, we would not be complaining. This is like trying to equate being called a "dum-dum" to being punched in he nose.

"Well then... welcome to the party."

No thanks, I don't hang out with people who want to get "hammered" on Sunday morning, or any other day of the week for that matter.

Aren't all you small-government conservatives supposed to be in a lathered frenzy over the deficit for healthcare? It'll pay for itself in a decade if there are not so many dumb, fat people...

A friend of mine (for his sins) interned in the ER at SF General, and used to describe all the junk he pulled out of queers' butts every weekend. Shot glasses, cucumbers, billiard balls, what have you, all kinds of junk, it was truly amazing (and they always had the same story: they were cleaning house in the nude, slipped and a cucumber or whatever went up their butts. You know how that happens all the time.) My favorite: a lightbulb. It went all the way in, and the docs played hell getting the damn thing out without breaking it. Of course, fruits are perfectly normal, and this is just as valid a lifestyle as a normal one.

So there's a good place to start saving on healthcare: deny coverage to fruits who come in with foreign objects in their keisters. For that crew, make it cash and carry (so to speak). You Reds OK with that? Or is it just dumb, fat people you want to tee off on?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 19, 2009 4:23 PM

Since this health care bill is really all about political spoils and turning health care into politics, the fruits and nuts will at first get fine health care treatment. But then the political tide of the Left will turn. As soon as they are no longer politically useful they'll be tossed out on the sidewalk of despair and desperation.

The link in the original post doesn't work for me, but when I look up my own copy of the bill, no such language appears on page 386. C'mon you guys just make crap up for one another, and then support the other's lies without even trying to read, huh?

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf

I have a long term acquaintance (friend of my father) who is also an ER doc, but in Northern CA (Redding) full not of queers, but rednecks. They too seem to do a lot of slipping and falling onto foreign objects which end up in their asses.

Your homo focus is all you have any more Jay. Whatever your f-ed up family did to you in SF has left its scars for sure. Get some therapy and move on, man.

Another leftist with an imaginary friend that validates his talking point. Yawn.

Also, the link works fine for me and the language does in fact appear on page 386. So, I guess the anonymous troll's computer skills are just... deficient.

Dammit - Janet, YOU'RE the useful idiot. I'm a conservative with some libertarian leanings and since you don't know me personally you're in no position to make a judgement on who I am.

Nevertheless, the government has no business dictating a person's private choices in their diet and exercise.

Lean fit people eat healthy and workout. For the most part obese people eat fast food, dine out and have a diet full of fat salt and sugar.

No one gets to weigh 300 pounds if they're eating a lot of fruits and veggies.

Michelle so sweet of to put your heals on for which was, a fairly civil debate.

Aww.... Thanks Ghost! Cute implication that I somehow caused it to degrade.

Janeane Garofalo and Paul Begala were not outside any voting place threatening anyone. Nice try.

But SEIU and ACORN were. They also were bused in and assaulted people. Both of them were on national television ridiculing, insulting, lying about, and defaming people who have a different opinion. I could have listed more but those were just two recent examples.

Begala was almost right, but I think the title has been turned over to Michelle Bachmann.

So Begala stating an OPINION he has of someone else makes it a fact? Feel free to provide Odumbos SAT scores so we can compare them to Palin's. Oh I just remembered, Odumbo wont release ANYTHING about this educational backround regarding scores or grades.

What exactly is being rammed into head Michelle.

Your constant contradictions.

I clearly stated that people with legitimate questions are being drowned out by loudmouths, like yourself for that matter.

Nice insult there, do you have anything substanative? Considering NOBODY in the Odumbo administration can provide any details or answers to ANY legitimate question the volume is not realavant. All they have been getting is just ignored or insulted by congress.

I could have said not all right-wingers are bigots, but all bigots are right-wingers, but I didn't because Dave, Snowsnake and I actually debated an issue...you might try it sometime.

Don't forget Ghost on page 846, paragraph d, section r, in the communist playbook; anyone who disagree's with you is also a... Racist, Homphobe, bitter, political terrorist, violent extremest, timothy Mc Veigh, religios fanatic, NAZI, neocon, fat rich white guy. Your statement just PROVES how much of a bigot you really are.

"Like the SEIU thugs did before sending him to the hospital for disagreeing with Odumbo?" This makes absolutely no sense Michelle, care to try again?

Kenneth Gladney, 38, a BLACK conservative activist from St. Louis, was attacked by SEIU union members as he handed out yellow flags with "Don’t tread on me" printed on them. Looks like SEIU is a bigoted racist organasation for beating him?

Didn't you just mention how we are the bigots?

You are on a blog references Barack Obama within Nazi references everyday!

I'm not here every day, and Odumbo HAS adopted many of the tennants of The National Socialists Party's platform and tactics. Just because you deny it doesn't make it false or inacurate. You could go on record and condem the Daily Kos, Huffington Post, Democratic Underground, Media Matters, Move On, and ALL the others who labled Bush as "hitler" for his entire presidency but you wont because that would force you to be intelectually honest which is beyond your ability.

What has been forced on you since the President took office?

Cigarette taxes, alcahol taxes, higher fuel prices, trillion dollar deficets, dollar devaluation, impending inflation, and many others.

started under the previous Admin. ?

Which I despise just as much as the QUADRUPLED spending of the current administration. Bush screwed up by starting it and Odumbo is continuing it. Obviously that means Odumbo lied when he claimed he was going to do things differently.

As far as "word game", I will give ya that to a point.

Thank you.

Michelle, if God created all men equal, then how are homosexuals less equal or "unnatural"?

From a biological standing or social one? Those are two completely diffent situations. Besides Samuel Colt really made all men equal, everybody knows that... silly.

Explain to me why someone would want a childhood of confusion and a lifetime of discrimination from folks like you if their being was "unnatural". I would love to hear this one.

How do you know gay's are "confused" or "discriminated against"? Actual confusion or descrimination is not the same as PERCIEVED descimination or confusion based on a policy disagrement. As I said biologicaly gays cant propogate therefore they impeade a biological imperitive. I cant have children either so in essence I'm also impeding my own biological imperitive.

Confusion is based in lack of acceptance or knowledge, similar to how you willfully refuse to accept that Odumbo is a failure. Descrimination is a wilful refusal to allow something based on a percieved belief weather it's acurate or not. It's similar to how you call us all bigots or racists or say our side is always wrong, or why Odumbo is refusing to accept conservative ideas.

Do some homework Michelle, take a look at the signs at your tea parties.

I've obviously done more homework than you have. Americans DO NOT want socialised medicine, we said NO to Hillarycare, and we are saying NO to Obamacare! You should take your own advice and learn a little about both and why they failed.

Take a look at the email jokes, that I am sure you forward on.

I do, they are probably no worse than the ones you sent around when Bush was in office. Besides I don't think you would enjoy shopping tips, or poking fun of men as much as my girlfriends and I do.

if Sarah Palin says there are death panels, thats true, right?

How can something be REMOVED from a bill if it isn't in there to begin with? The provision was on page 428, had you read it you would know that. Granted it wasn't called a "death pannel" but that would have become it's eventual function based on the language.

if you read it WND, shit it must be true!

I don't know what WND is?

Michelle, you strike me as fairly smart,

Thank you!! I would give you a hug for that but you get the point. I hope?

kick off your heels and do some cultural history of the U.S.A.

I hate to say it Ghost but you seem to be the one who is unfamiliar with the cultural history of America. We dont like socialism, communism or tyrants. We are a christian nation founded on christian priciples by christian ministers. Look it up if you don't believe me. We value freedom and LOW taxes NOT government nanny state ideas that have NEVER worked. We like guns and like to hunt and fish, we don't like being told what to do by some idiot in a government office. That's just the BASICS but all of it seems to elude you totally.

Funny, someone states a claim that a fight is coming, however, not me.

It is, and it will be ugly unfortunately.

I just rebutted it in a civil debate, and you think I want to see my country apart? Gimme a break.

While that may be true, it's hard to belive liberals don't want the country torn apart based on their current attitude. I would "give you a break" if you spent more time talking about how awsome America is and less time running her down!!

Most of you here have called every name in the book, you have since 2002.

I usually just call you stupid or moronic, mostly because your ideas are historical failures and you adamantly refuse to admit it. I don't know you so while I dislike your desire to be a communist I dont hate you.

But, if you think for one second being critical of my country's errors in policy, foreign or domestic makes me less of an American than you, you are no better than the sheeple you criticize everyday.

Critisize ALL you want, but if you can ONLY be critical of one side then you are just a phony and dishonest. I dislike BOTH parties and would love to see EVERYONE in congress arrested and sent to prison for the waste and fraud they have perpetuated for years.

Michelle if the Government provides health care to those who cannot afford what they have, or those without, it is not Communism.

Yes it is, there is NO lawful, legal, or enumeration constitutionally for it. Go read a history book and learn something about the communist ideas you are in favor of.

It is us adhering to the Universal Declaration of Independence, which we signed onto.

What the hell is that?

Which declares health care as a RIGHT!

feel free to note which section in either the Constitution or the Bill Of Rights the words "health care" are written.

RIGHT to free speach
RIGHT to Assembly
RIGHT to bear arms
RIGHT to speedy trail
Right to life
Right to liberty
Right to pursue happines
RIght to redress of grievences

and the bonus.... I'll pay YOU or ANY communist that can find the word "health care" ANYWHERE in the enumerated rights!! You can't and you wont because as usuall you need to make things up from pure fantasy to support your foolish claims!!!!!!!

"Wow. Actually making America less obese, sedentary, and bloated? Yeah, that sucks...

I kinda find myself wondering how many of you are fat-ass couch-locked diabetics eating HoHos and working toward a towering rage over what is, in fact, an excellent idea..."

As soon as I read this article, I knew some ignorant, anonymous lefty troll would make a reply to the extent of, "If you oppose this measure, it means you're a disgusting, obese slob who hates seeing people become healthy."
Guess what: My weight is usually 160-165, and I'm 6'2" tall, so that weight is mostly quite evenly distributed. A week ago, I got back from a very long vacation in Canada in which, if the weather permitted, I would go hiking and rock- climbing every day. Also, since my family just got a great new kayak for the cabin we use up there, starting next summer, I'll probably add rowing around the lake a little to my daily routine there, as well. Additionally, when I'm here at home, I love to go out bicycling. Put that in your bong and smoke it.
"IT's ALREADY happening with the assault on smokers, the constant defamation of carnivores by PETA, and (vi) other factors as determined by the Secretary. The government has no constitutional authority to tell me what to eat, how much, or how often."
Excellent observation, Michelle. However, I must correct you on one of those points: Peta doesn't insult, defame, and demonize carnivores; They insult, defame, and demonize EVERYONE who isn't a vegan.

Jay Guevara at August 19, 2009 4:23 PM
LOL, that post is one of the funniest (And also, ironically enough, one of the saddest) things I've read all day!

OK, I got it to download, but it's incorrect. The actual bill is at the link I provided. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf You can download the whole thing there.

The real bill is over 1,00o pages, and that link is you've given is incorrect. It only has 615 pages. It should state the bill number (3200 in this case) and who introduced it. Your link is bogus.

Strange that a "bogus" bill would appear on the US Senate's official website, isn't it?

(These trolls REALLY suck at discrediting stuff)

Michelle, the Universal Declaration of Rights is part of the charter of the United Nations.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

The Rights in it begin with all the Rights of free civil society but then it continues with Rights such as the Rights outlined in Article 25 of the Rights to:

...a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

FOR THIS REASON it is a flawed confused declaration of Rights written by collectivists and, unfortunately signed by the US.

The thing is, and don't let anyone tell you different,

NO ELECTED OFFICIAL OF THE UNITED STATES IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN AWAY OUR SOVEREIGNTY OR OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS BY TREATY OR LAW OF ANY KIND.

"Strange that a "bogus" bill would appear on the US Senate's official website, isn't it?"

Especially since its a House of Reps bill. Funny that.

If we go to the posting of the bill on the house website: http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf

we find that it is just like the link that I provided earlier. The document is over 1,000 pages long and does not contain the language stated on the pages stated.

Care to try again?

You do realize there are separate House and Senate bills currently, right? The one link in the main post is the Senate bill (600 some pages). The House bill is the 1000 page monstrosity.

I looked at the Senate Bill and it does indeed on page 386 list what this article says it lists.

386
O:\BAI\BAI09A82.xml [file 3 of 6] S.L.C.
1 (B) TYPES OF MEASURES.—In carrying
2 out subparagraph (A), the eligible entity shall,
3 with respect to residents in the community,
4 measure—
5 (i) decreases in weight;
6 (ii) increases in proper nutrition;
7 (iii) increases in physical activity;
8 (iv) decreases in tobacco use preva9
lence;
10 (v) other factors using community11
specific data from the Behavioral Risk
12 Factor Surveillance Survey; and
13 (vi) other factors as determined by the
14 Secretary.
15 (C) REPORTING.—An eligible entity shall
16 annually submit to the Director a report con17
taining an evaluation of activities carried out
18 under the grant.
19 (5) DISSEMINATION.—A grantee under this sec20
tion shall—
21 (A) meet at least annually in regional or
22 national meetings to discuss challenges, best
23 practices, and lessons learned with respect to
24 activities carried out under the grant; and
387
O:\BAI\BAI09A82.xml [file 3 of 6] S.L.C.
1 (B) develop models for the replication of
2 successful programs and activities and the men3
toring of other eligible entities.
4 (d) TRAINING.—
5 (1) IN GENERAL.—The Director shall develop a
6 program to provide training for eligible entities on
7 effective strategies for the prevention and control of
8 chronic disease
9 (2) COMMUNITY TRANSFORMATION PLAN.—The
10 Director shall provide appropriate feedback and
11 technical assistance to grantees to establish commu12
nity makeover plans
13 (3) EVALUATION.—The Director shall provide a
14 literature review and framework for the evaluation
15 of programs conducted as part of the grant program
16 under this section, in addition to working with aca17
demic institution or other entities with expertise in
18 outcome evaluation.
19 (e) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.—There
20 are authorized to be appropriated to carry out this section,
21 such sums as may be necessary for each fiscal years 2010
22 through 2014.
23 SEC.

Anonymous, why are you trying to make it out that this is about the House Bill?

Especially since it says right in the post that this is the Senate Bill.

Maybe anonymous doesn't realize there are two houses of Congress.

Posted by: V the K at August 19, 2009 7:21 PM

But, there's only one Red Party.

I've got some "stuff up the queer guy's butt stories". My friend is a doctor and when she was going to med school she said she read a case study about a gay guy who managed to shove a buoy up his keister. You read that right, one of those big things that bobs around in the lake to mark drop-offs! I suppose he was boating naked and fell out of his boat...

Another story I read was about two love birds who were screwing around and thought it would be a good idea to pour a little redi-mix in one of the partner's keister. Well, to the surprise of no sane person, as the concrete hardened it became unbearably painful and impossible to remove without taking the rectum and part of the lower intestine with it.

Another story I heard on the radio involved to guys doing the gerbil thing, and when it was time to remove the rodent, the partner was having trouble retrieving it so he lit a match to see better. BIG MISTAKE. There was a build up methane gas in the gerbiler's lower intestine and the flaming gerbil shot out of the guys rear resulting in second degree burns on the retrievers face and chest.

Homosexuality is definitely a health hazard, no question about that.

Can we assume that given anonymous's ignorance that bills can come through either the House OR the Senate, that he's not our "go to" guy for legislative analysis?

I knew it would be coming. "You have to drop 25 pounds before you will qualify for treatment but the good news is that ACORN will be stopping by several times a day, unannounced and at random times, to check the contents of your fridge and make sure you are exercising and they just may take a look to see if you have any subversive materials, like a copy of the constitution, laying around."

Geeze, if we're going to share people being stupid about shoving stuff up their asses that doesn't belong there, I think its an equal idiocy rule.

How about this straight married idiot who gets his wife in on his anal act?

http://www.veoh.com/collection/1000-Ways-to-Die#watch%3Dv18913306NjcbzjEq

Judith, I think we can all assume that you could stand to loose more than 25 pounds. But nobody is going to enforce it on you, even though you desperately need it.

You've never read the constitution, so don't bother talking about it as if you're knowledgeable.

I have a long term acquaintance who says your long term acquaintance is full of crap.

His name is Greg, he is an ER doctor, and its the truth. I know it hurts, but its true. Deal with it.

You guys love the personal anecdotal evidence until its someone else's, then its real easy to call it all lies. This is no lie. He lives outside of Redding, is in his mid 60's, he's an ER doctor, and he has told me these stories.

Its real simple to make all the freaks homos, but the freaks belong to all kinds of groups. You'd love to compartmentalize them, since it makes it easier for your brain to deal, but you know its not that simple. Any thinking person knows better.

And I say again Jay, you do need some therapy. Your stories of your upbringing sound sad and disgusting. Your experience shouldn't make you prejudiced though.

Learn and grow instead of shrivel and hate.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 19, 2009 8:39 PM

From what I've heard from many many many friends in California, Redding is not full of "rednecks" anymore,

[Posted by: Anonymous at August 19, 2009 5:03 PM]

but is infested with MOONBATS.

Why not promote being 'over weight' as a choice...or better yet, not as a choice....

"from many many many friends" (that's many too many)

Your exaggeration belies you. Redding is full of anally preoccupied conservatives. Their tea party site is only one indication. http://www.reddingteaparty.com/

No, not at all, Too stupid to know who I am so I post as Anonymous. Many many many friends in California have told me that Redding is infested with MOONBATS. And, in fact, I've seen it with my own eyes, too.

Wow, Redding "is full of anally preoccupied conservatives." How is it that you deduce this? "Anally preoccupied," that's a hell of an insight. Tell me, how did you find this out, that it "is full of anally preoccupied conservatives?" That's a hell of a poll you must have taken. Wow. Their tea party website is just filled with anally preoccupied conservative references.

But, nonetheless, Redding California is infested with MOONBATS.

Reading what the resident trolls write to defend a bunch of fat, lazy, welfare recipients being recruited to be 'health police' is amazingly entertaining. My God, what MORONS liberals are! LOL!

Its full of your fellow tea idoits: http://www.reddingteaparty.com/

And the anally preoccupied bit comes from my ER doctor friend Greg who I spoke of earlier. I think you remember, but conveniently forget. like many other things.

Its easier to erase you memory than to try and reconcile your hypocrisy.

And Kevin, your posts on here show a repeat history of ignorance and playing to the lowest common denominator.

Its clear you've never BEEN to Redding, so your "many many many" friend have misinformed you. I've been there many times. My father lived there for a good five years in the late 80's, and I still make my way through there on a regular basis.

A more conservative cesspool I haven't seen in quite some time. Gun idiots and trailer trash Miller drinking f*ckwads the likes that only little backwaters like Grant's Pass and Medford can compete with.

You know nothing about West Coast demographics and obviously don't live out here. Having lived in both liberal enclaves and conservative backwaters in Oregon, Washington and Northern CA over the last 30 years, I can assure you your "many many many" mysterious friends are misinforming you.

Oh yes, my hypocrisy.

The anally preoccupied bit comes from your ER doctor friend Greg. Oh. That's why you wrote:

Redding is full of anally preoccupied conservatives. Their tea party site is only one indication.

Posted by: Too stupid to know who I am so I post as Anonymous at August 19, 2009 9:45 PM

Oh, excuse me for "conveniently [forgetting], like many other things and ...[erasing my] memory to try and reconcile [my] hypocrisy."

What a dipshit you are. Do you know what a dipshit you are?

I live in Seattle, dipshit.

"You do not have the right to use the force of government to force people to do what you think is right."

So we should force people to do what we think is wrong? This is Bush years thinking. Let's force people into a wrong war. Let's force people into a bailout that benefits scumbag banking executives. Let's force companies into tapping our own citizen's phones. Let's force a war budget through as an "emergency session" each and every time and not include it in the budget.

Are you even aware that this was how we operated? That the war deficit wasn't included in the national budget? That a huge part of our national budget shortfall is due to this?

I just pointed out to you that you told an out and out lie, in case you didn't notice, Too stupid to know who I am so I post as Anonymous dipshit.

"I live in Seattle, dipshit."

And that's where you live. I've lived there too. You obviously don't know about other places ... such as Redding. Take a trip down the I-5 corridor and see what there is to see fool. Educate yourself about your surrounding communities. Go to Spokane, or Yakima or Springfield, or Klamath Falls. Those are places that are similar to Redding. Seattle has absolutely nothing in common with Redding. So saying you live there has no relevance to this particular conversation.

As I said. If you'd been there, you'd know this.

"I just pointed out to you that you told an out and out lie, in case you didn't notice"

I didn't notice. Enlighten me. You've never been to Redding but are an expert about it. Tell me, am I lying?

Posted by: Anonymous at August 19, 2009 10:47 PM

Hmmm... you're following me, aren't you?

Don't confuse me with Bush or Congress, Too stupid to know who I am so I post as Anonymous.

Actually, Bush invaded Iraq on the pretext that the United Nations needed teeth to back them up. You remember that, Too stupid to know who I am so I post as Anonymous? The Congress voted for that invasion.

I certainly don't agree with the government bailing anyone out.

As far as the rest, none of that precludes the fact that you do not have the right to use the force of government to force people to do what you think is right.

I'm not a religious conservative, Too stupid to know who I am so I post as Anonymous. I'm an Objectivist. Do you know what an Objectivist believes, Too stupid to know who I am so I post as Anonymous?

Posted by: Anonymous at August 19, 2009 10:57 PM

I've been there. And also I caught you in an out and lie as I stated above.

You are one sorry dipshit.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 19, 2009 10:57 PM

I've been there. And also I caught you in an out and out lie as I stated above.

You are one sorry dipshit.

Are you the one that posts as "Meh?"

Yeah, I'm familiar with The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, thanks. If you were really objective, you'd understand that who I am or what my name is doesn't matter in this conversation. Its about ideas.

"Actually, Bush invaded Iraq on the pretext that the United Nations needed teeth to back them up."
What I remember is Bush/Cheney/Rums instilling fear in their own countrymen which they could turn to their own purposes. That's what I remember. I remember them using a national tragedy as cover for invasion into a country which had no WMD's when Pakistan and North Korea were the real threats. Congress voted because their constituents were blind with fear that conservatives used to blind the public. The fear was real and justified, but the direction it was turned was disgusting. We should have been in Afghanistan all along!

Sure you agree with the government bailing out those fat cat bankers. Your party sure does. I haven't heard a peep out of you fools about that. Instead of complaining about an 800 Billion dollar bailout supported by Bush that gives golden parachutes to executives that looted out country, you instead focus on a puny 2 billion dollar cash for clinkers and a universal health care system that could actually benefit little people like you and me.

Who's too stupid to know what they're about? I'd argue that's you buddy. You're focused on the fact that you live in Seattle and that you've read Ayn Rand, when instead you should be focused on what's happening in this country. You're lapping up Republican hothead crap instead of thinking for yourself: "What's good for me?"

"And also I caught you in an out and out lie as I stated above."

I reread and still don't see it. Care to spell it out? I haven't told a single lie. My friend Greg is an ER doc in Redding, he is an old friend of my dad from college, who also lived there in Redding for a while. He has told me of plenty of local idiots who have shoved stupid stuff up their asses. And I can assure you that Redding is neither liberal nor a place that many gay folks care to live.

Its all true. Deal.

No, I am not "meh" although I have read his posts of late and mostly agree with is perception of you guys. Sorry folks. You need to read up.

You refer constantly to the constitution, but your opinions always make me wonder if you've actually read and understood it. You love the 2nd, which I personally have no problem with, but you don't have a good handle on the 1st or 4th.

America is about the individual within limits. I love that recognition of the individual and those freedoms! You seem completely unwilling that there are any limits at all. There is a greater good, and we can't all have everything if we're going to achieve it.

So yes, "forcing people to do what is right" is also part of this country. There is a greater good beyond your individual rights. We have to strike the right balance in an increasingly overpopulated, over-politicized and overworked world if we're going to keep it going for our children and their children. Its not just about you and right now. Although I grant this is a big part of the equation, its also about tomorrow and after you're gone.

Sure you agree with the government bailing out those fat cat bankers. Your party sure does.

Actually, people like me have been voicing our opposition to this lunacy from the beginning. It's the Democrats that seem hell bent on it. And, Too stupid to know who I am so I post as Anonymous, I don't have a "Party" as you put it. I'm not a Republican. I'm an Objectivist. It isn't that I've read the works of Ayn Rand, (and her novels are the least of her work, her essays are much better) - I understand them.

Perhaps, too stupid to know who I am so I post as Anonymous, lets just let the Left have their way and bankrupt the country. Is that what you want?

I reread and still don't see it. Care to spell it out? I haven't told a single lie.

You stated that "And the anally preoccupied bit comes from my ER doctor friend Greg who I spoke of earlier."

But you wrote in the first person: "Redding is full of anally preoccupied conservatives."

Not only a bizarre lie, in light of the fact that your words are frozen in type, but just how in the world did you come to determine this "anal preoccup[ation] of conservatives, dipshit?

So yes, "forcing people to do what is right" is also part of this country. There is a greater good beyond your individual rights. We have to strike the right balance in an increasingly overpopulated, over-politicized and overworked world if we're going to keep it going for our children and their children. Its not just about you and right now. Although I grant this is a big part of the equation, its also about tomorrow and after you're gone.

And there you have it. In a young Statist's own words.

Oh for the love of God. Please: Regular people here make sure you use your name. I don't want to miss out on what you have to say, because I'm scrolling through anybody signed off as "Anonymous."

That whole Redding, CA piece above was sheer goofiness, minutes I'll never have back.

Anon, I have read the constitution and I spent eight years as a senior consultant doing legislative analysis on matters pertaining to retirement plans. You obviously know nothing about either the constitution, nor the legislative process, but maybe you an find employment as a carnie huckster guessing the weight of carnival goers. You don't have to be right, just obnoxious and attention-getting, and that seems to suit you to a "T".

Damn, moonbats out of power are funny, but moonbats in power are terrifying. Anon's desire to force people to "do the right thing" is the surest formula for tyranny I've ever seen. Who gets to decide what "the right thing" is, Anon? Wise Latina women?

Dang Judith, go easy with that clue bat!

Hate and fear and stupidity-mongering: it's all liberals have.

Meanwhile, the SS Obama is going down with all hands. He's blown it - he's a lame duck already. When Congress returns from the August recess the Democrat food fight will begin big time, between safe seat Dems and Blue Dogs, who will be scuttling for cover.

2010 is coming. Oh yes, it is.

So yes, "forcing people to do what is right" is also part of this country.

Not since I've been an American, and I am a native American since I was born here. You'd fit right in during, say, 1930s Germany with your brownshirt, your jackboots and your Nazi bucket helmet.

I've read your blather up and down this thread. My concern is Our Lord and Savior's death panels will be made up of fascists such as yourself, sentencing those of us who don't live up to your standards to a painful, excruciating death.

Fact is, maladies such as cancer, cardiovascular disease and diabetes are genetic and run in families. My uncle on my mother's side dropped dead of a heart attack on the street at age 35. Skinny as a rail. Cancer runs in the other side of my family. You really want to send me to Auschwitz because of factors beyond my control? Fact is again, none of us get out of here alive anyway.

Oh, at least I have the courage to sign my posts and put up my blog for others to read rather than hide like a chickenshit coward behind a cloak of anonymity.

That whole Redding, CA piece above was sheer goofiness, minutes I'll never have back.
Posted by: Karin at August 20, 2009 5:42 AM

I apologize, Karin. Sometimes I like to give trolls a bad time. Troll the troll.

Judith, I think we can all assume that you could stand to loose more than 25 pounds.

My God, what a hate-filled turd merchant you are. Hiding behind (1) the cloak of anonymity and (2) a computer screen hurling personal insults at people who disagree with your fascist views.

Once again, you aren't paying anyone else's bills other than your own (presuming you're doing that). What business is it of yours what anyone else does?

And I am still waiting for you to condemn the AIDS sufferers, the overwhelming majority of whom really are victims of their own bad behavior (homosexual sex and IV drug use).

Cue the chirping crickets.

Anonypuss is a textbook example of Kip's Law in action.

"Those who advocate central planning always... ALWAYS envision themselves as the central planner"

Trouble is, Anonypuss, you're not going to be making those decisions about what's "right" and "wrong", no matter how much you fantasize about it.

Someone else will. And you won't like their decisions.