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Free money for killing babies. Only in America...

HOORAY! fewer people who can't afford children having children! you should all be delighted; after all, those kids would have been in the evil socialist Medicaid program, Welfare program, etc etc...

More public money for Planned Parenthood! Birth control for everyone!

Your solution is to continue throwing money at things. I don't think you understand how people work. If it's more readily available, by human nature, more will seek it. Didn't you read the study that showed that women were exponentially more susceptible to breast cancer if they had just ONE abortion? Glad to know that you support killing children (which in itself is horrible), while ignoring that it kills the mother earlier in her life... There is no end to your stupidity.

And you punks want to legalize pot... First off, you ignore its effects on your body. Just because you legalize it doesn't mean it's going to magically become a good thing.

By your logic, we should INCREASE war spending because, with more money, it magically becomes OK. C wut I did thar?

It's myself and several other conservative families in my church who are adopting and caring for the children "Meh" would rather butcher in the womb. (Go ahead, Meh. tell me sons that if it had been up to you, they'd have been butched in the womb.)

Those strawmen "meh" argues against don't stand up very well. But he does demonstrate my contention that all of liberalism is based on selfishness.

wait... i am the liberal. how am i the selfish one, when we want universal healthcare, and a level playing field with insurance companies, and all the rest? the GOP wants to play every-man-for-himself as a governing policy.

Is your brain missing an important lobe or 2?

And yes. Adoption is good. But it also cannot possibly handle the volume of unwanted kids that would result from the social-conservative-jesus-freaks getting their way. You volunteering to take 30 or 40 more kids? What about 3,000? They are out there... if you want that argument to hold up, you need to keep adopting until nobody is left destitute and needy...

Whatever. Arguing with religios types is hardly constructive. Go believe in magic by yourself someplace.

"how am i the selfish one, when we want universal healthcare,[paid for by someone else] and a level playing field with insurance companies, [paid for by someone else] and all the rest [paid for by someone else]? the GOP wants to play every-man-[paying]-for-himself as a governing policy."

There, fixed it for ya.

the GOP wants to play every-man-for-himself as a governing policy.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 14, 2009 10:48 AM

am i my brother's keeper? just how much freedom does one have to relinquish in the name of "fairness" before you libs say "enough"? was this country founded as a collective, if not would you like to "remake" it as one?

And yes. Adoption is good. But it also cannot possibly handle the volume of unwanted kids that would result from the social-conservative-jesus-freaks getting their way. You volunteering to take 30 or 40 more kids? What about 3,000? They are out there... if you want that argument to hold up, you need to keep adopting until nobody is left destitute and needy...

All you people need to do is practice responsibility and stop supporting your irresponsibility (which promotes legal channels that discourage personal responsibility).

But, for you, it's easier to free yourself from individual responsibility and pawn off the costs on the responsible people in society.

Thanks for reproducing like rabbits without understanding the consequences... and now you're blaming us for not permitting you to continue your destructive habits? There is no end to your stupidity.

confusion abounds. it is clearly not the educated 'liberal-elite' types who are reproducing above replacement rate. and as far as i am aware, abortion does not "pawn off the costs on the responsible people in society". In fact, it prevents exactly that. Can I enroll you in a logic class someplace?

As far as the other point, we live in a 'society' here. Either you can say 'screw you, you are on your own' or you can actually admit that if we want to be the best we all hav to play ball. (The 'screw you' answer is fine by me, I guess. I would be delighted to live in a moral vacuum where there is no reason not to let those in need just die in the streets. but apparently we cant even discuss ending life for 89 year olds with cancer and a bum hip (because Bible Spice says that's a Death List! whatever shall we do!) so either get with the program on end-of-life counseling, or get out of the way on healthcare reform. Intellectual consistency demands one or the oher.)

Since we are indeed all living here in america, seems reasonable that if we want to maintain our 'king shit of the world' title, we cant just ignore the reality of the really glaring issues of the day.

So, there you are. If you want to say 'america is the best' (which you seem to) ... you cant then say 'but i wont sacrifice anything at all to make that statement true'. That would make you... a whiny republican.

Abortion WILL be covered by tax dollars in this health care plan. Is it explicitly written? No, but you do realize that there was a specific amendment proposed that would explicitly state that abortion would not be covered and it was party-line crushed? This action, alone, can lead to the understanding that it will be covered as "a necessary essential."

Ignorance is no excuse.

Also, that "death panel" (end of life) section HAS BEEN REMOVED because the open-ended nature of it allowed for incredible misinterpretations and abuse. So, go back to your cage.

I would be delighted to live in a moral vacuum where there is no reason not to let those in need just die in the streets.
Posted by: "Meh" at August 14, 2009 11:52 AM

the classic "false choice", just WHERE this is happening at(besides china, cuba, and other cesspools of collectivism)?

If you can't be clear with your language (which seems to be on purpose, so that your rulers can interpret any way they see fit... read, social justice, etc), then prepare to have the intellectuals in society crush your Health-hole Reform...

Until you can produce a bill that is not "interpretable" how you see fit, then shut the fuck up. It's simple. Bills should never exceed 100 pages. Arguing against just goes to show how stupid you can be because you choose to do massive surgery on a topic when only a few minor incisions are needed.

Here's your logic, in a simple example:

Man comes in and he has an infection in his finger which disables its use.

Our solution: Fix the finger.
Your solution: Brain surgery, transplants, blood transfusions, pacemaker, NEW HAND.

Someone missed the point here, unfortunately that looks like everyone. The point of the article was the fraud from this one area (one clinic?) perpetrated on the people of the area, and the theft of monies from Medicaid, totaling $600000-plus. Perhaps the discussion should be about whether the theft of 600,000 within an income of 7.7million is an acceptable "scam". And also wondering about how many other areas (clinics) are operated in the same way.

Meh: "More public money for Planned Parenthood! Birth control for everyone!"
Especially for you, Meh.

Meh:'as far as i am aware, abortion does not...In fact, it prevents exactly that'
In my classes on logic, you would be kicked out for saying that. Begin with a disclaimer of uncertainty (as far as I am aware) and end with a pronouncement of certainty.
And you want to teach plebs logic?
'Logic' is a word you use a lot, don't you? Very revealing.

"All you people need to do is practice responsibility and stop supporting your irresponsibility"
This from the ilk that doesn't want sex-ed or contraception used. Having Planned Parent require visits by low income individuals is actually a good thing, as Meh pointed out. Providing funds to Planned Parenthood reduces unwanted pregnancies and saves your dollars in welfare and potentially reduces the number of abortion through education. You half-wits seem to think Planned Parenthood is some "abortion mill", which it is not. All this crying for unborn children, yet not a peep about those already here.

So you'd rather "reduce" "unwanted" pregnancies as opposed to *responsibly* AVOIDING unplanned pregnancies? Sigh...

From The GOAT:
"This from the ilk that doesn't want sex-ed or contraception used."

Abortions rose alarmingly since the sixtys thanks to you lefties' "free love/sexual revolution/shock the squares crap. So why didn't YOUR program of sex ed, "the pill" and rubbers work?

Our side was telling children that "growing up" ment to take on the responsibilitys of adults, while YOUR side was telling them that "growing up" ment HAVING SEX.

The 'screw you' answer is fine by me, I guess. I would be delighted to live in a moral vacuum where there is no reason not to let those in need just die in the streets.

Please point to a factual account of someone dying in the streets in America from lack of health care, or admit that you're just stupidly making things up.

am the liberal. how am i the selfish one, when we want universal healthcare

Because you want government to take money away from other people to pay for that which you are unwilling to pay for yourself.

That's what makes you selfish.

Just like Wellstoned was selfish when he decided to butcher a child in the womb rather than take responsibility for it.

And, yes, Planned Parenthood is an abortion mill operation. They've been caught red-handed covering up the rapists of minor girls and shielding them from prosecution just so they can keep the mills humming. They oppose even common-sense restrictions on abortion such as parental notification and restrictions on partial birth abortion. They even oppose state health and safety inspections of abortion mills.

My views on abortion changed from soft pro-choice to strong pro-life the day in college I was flipping through the yellow pages and saw full-page ads for abortion mills... proclaiming in big, bold type that they took Visa, MasterCard and Discover. That's when I realized... it wasn't a deep personal decision, it was an industry... an industry whose gears were oiled with the blood of children. I realized then how deeply immoral it was.

Oh, V the K, aren't you the classy one. I told that not in any confidence to clarify the perspective I have on the issue, and now you wish to discuss it?
"Because you want government to take money away from other people to pay for that which you are unwilling to pay for yourself."

And what of those unable V? How about Medicare and Social Security? Should we do away with those socialized programs? You seem to think that health care or abortions are some passive decisions people make. I have seen many lacerate themselves over both. I suggest you sit down and discuss abortion with a woman who has been through it, and with your views, I assure you it would save someone like me the time of kicking your ass over the insensitivity you demonstrate.

Further, Planned Parenthood also offers education and counseling on the wonderful or horrific decisions to be made.

GOAT of wellstone;
Why hasn't your Liberals program of contraceptives and "education" worked? Tell us why there has been an increase in teen pregnantcys ("Babys having babys" as one writer put it) in the last couple of decades.

You make it sound as though we're not allowed to hate SS or Medicare just because we're part of or will be part of them.

Had we not been forced to pay into these crooked systems, we would have certainly found more appropriate ways to handle our finances.

Yet another case of "how can you hate it, you're enrolled in it." I can hate these systems as I damn well please because it wasn't a choice... and it seems, by your rhetoric, that choice is something you don't seek.

I assure you it would save someone like me the time of kicking your ass over the insensitivity you demonstrate.

LOL... as if. Do have any idea how pathetic threatening to "kick someone's ass" looks in the comments of a blog? Apparently... not.

Last I looked, social security and Medicare were rapidly going broke and had unfunded liabilities in the tens or hundreds of trillions. I don't need to wish them away. They're doing a pretty good job of bankrupting themselves.

THIS IS TO YOU, GHOST OF WELLSTONE,

Like so many moronic lefties, you think that people are only as smart as what's between their legs. I, on the other hand, use the stuff between my ears, and can personally attest, as a 41 y.o. to the benefit of abstinence education when I was 15. I KNOW it works. And the research - the real research, not the stuff that liberals invent - supports that.

You have just told us all publicly just how much self-control you DON'T have and how weak you are to let your sexual drive rule over your life. It's absolutely NOT inevitable that people will have sex. And what is the result? Have I contributed to unwanted pregnancies, abortion, AIDS, other STDs, welfare burden, or even just plain heartbreak? Don't give me the crappy connection between abstinence and unwanted pregnancies - it's a bare-faced LIE.

And, for the benefit of you and 'Meh', abortion COSTS society. Any adult when reaching maturity pays back to society many times over the debt they owe for the investment in their upbringing. (Unless you are a liberal, then you're probably still a liability at 50.) That productivity is lost forever. 40 million are killed globally annually. How many great people and their unique talents have been cut into bloody pieces or burnt alive, and thrown into the trash? Don't lecture us about "insensitivity." The worst tyrants in history are a distant second to Planned Parenthood and other Molech worshippers.

Finally, PP have little or no incentive to sell live births. Or education. Do they want to 'educate' women with ultrasounds? LOL! V the K is absolutely right, it is about the $$$$$$.

You are officially the essence of dumb. Or evil. No, it's both.

Social Security is going bankrupt, its funds have been raided by Congress to pay for other spending for decades, its ROI is so pathetic it would have gone out of business years ago were it any other retirement fund.

Medicare is also going broke, will require massive tax increases to remain solvent, and it is constantly cutting back on payments to doctors to hospitals... screwing over trained professionals and discouraging quality of care.

And these are the programs leftists point to as triumphs of socialist welfare policies.

RE: Posted by: Stephan at August 14, 2009 11:26 PM

Outstanding!!

So not only is GoW a paid whore but he is a murderer, too?