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Now that BO is prez, the world loves us!

Er, well... maybe this guy didnt get the memo:

"Obama first made an arse of himself with crass comments that Medvedev was selected by Putin, never mind a fair election where turn out was triple the typical American Imperial farce and where the vast majority, with international observers present, voted for Medvedev."

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/31-07-2009/108552-russian_politics-0

So much for that "Nuanced Diplomacy", eh?

There was a picture as the three left the East Wing in which Obama led the way, Crowley was next and the "elderly gentleman" was descending the steps. Crowley appears to turn and take his arm to steady him or at least be prepared in case the older fellow took a header. Speaks volumes and there is no doubt who has the character and integrity in this situation. HINT: neither the leader or the follower.

Well, TW, everything is all about Obama. The world revolves around him, don't you know. We've all known guys like this. Some of us have dated these types. They inevitably come to be despised.

NON-BIASED

Thanks Ted. Now if only a few million would vote with their conscience maybe The big 0 would be stopped.

0bama 0bama
Fee Fi Fofama
Professor Gates and Yo Mama
Fuck the Dalai Lama
Shama-lama-lama
Ding-Dong
0BAMA

"Congress fears voters; meetings in home districts cancelled"

http://www.examiner.com/x-3704-Columbia-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m7d31-Congress-fears-
voters-meetings-in-home-districts-cancelled

Kostards and other nutlickers ecstatic over report that US soldiers are executing Iraqi gheys. The "evidence" is suspicious to say the least, but don't forget, these are the people who (sometimes) claim to support the troops.

Seniors, Shoes, Panthers, and Clunkers

Little did we know when Barack Obama promised change we could believe in that the changes he envisioned would lead to fewer senior citizens, more freedom for convicted terrorists, Black Panthers protecting voters, and vehicular Nirvana.

Government Speak: Some cynics believe governments regularly either lie to the citizenry or so shade the truth that we have no idea what the hell they’re talking about. Then the hoi polloi usually give up trying to understand what the hell they’re talking about. Mission accomplished.

With the present administration, most thinking people have arrived at the conclusion that virtually everything spouted by the Obamanians has as much relevance to actual truth as calling cops stupid.

Such is the case with “health care reform,” which is Orwellian in an of itself but now they’ve thrown in a sweetener– or sour-er, depending on your point of view.

When we age, as lucky people do, Americans tend to need more medical care, and more medical-specialist care, care for which we pay insurers for years when we’re younger and most of us rarely use. Obama’s med scheme is proposing a great leap forward to deal with the older folk.

Rather than elders cluttering up hospitals and nursing homes or falling dead on the streets, they’ll be shipped off to warehouses where the order of the day will be that verbotten word, rationing.

Oh, they won’t call them warehouses and they certainly won’t call it rationing. Such nomenclature would be far too close to the truth. They’re calling the warehouses ”medical homes” for the elderly and disabled and rationing health care will more properly be termed cancelling health care.

The medicine will be government-allotted, or denied, in these warehouses medical homes and there won’t be a doctor in sight. As for medical specialists, don’t be absurd! (http://bit.ly/46SlUL)

Nurses and physician assistants will be on hand, however, most of whom probably flunked out of nursing or P.A. schools but that doesn’t matter. Their principal duty will be tying those toe tags on bodies.

Complementing the warehouse scheme, seniors are not included on the priority list for swine flu innoculations, which will save even more money by necessitating fewer warehouses when they bite the dust next flu season.

I have a far more effective plan: When someone hits 70 or so or breaks a hip or suffers dementia, why not have a government functionary take us out in a field or a Jersey swamp and shoot us?

Hey, it worked for Tony Soprano when he needed to whack an inconvenient associate!

. Shoe Bomber’s Prison Jihad: You may recall the Brit Richard Reid, aka Abdul Raheem, who had to be the dumbest and most inept terrorist in history. He looked every bit the moron that he was He was the nut who tried to blow up himself and American Airlines flight 63 on December 22, 2001 with a detonator in his shoe.

He had trouble lighting a match.

Reid/Raheem was a failed 9/11 terrorist as well and is now serving a life sentence in the max-security federal facility in Florence, Colorado where he feels neglected.

Thanks to his American jihadist lawyers and the complicit Obama administration, and following an unfortunately-unsuccessful hunger strike, he is demanding his “rights” to hang with his jihadist buddies and practice his religion: http://bit.ly/bH7uJ.

What rights a murderous animal deserves eludes me but it does not elude sensitive Obamanians.

The Bush Justice Department advised Reid that he could stick his complaints where the sun don’t shine. The much more merciful and indulgent Obama administration in essence felt Reid’s pain and granted his request.

Now, much to their delight, shoe-bomber Reid will be able to continue jihading with other terrorist reprobates in prison. With any luck for him, they will be smarter than he is.

Is life good for Barack Hussein Obama jihadists or what? http://bit.ly/46SlUL

Black Panther Election: . . .

(Read the rest at http://genelalor.com)

y'all're going to love this! PRICELESS!

nancz that was priceless. It's ironic, however, that he is using the same hold except there aren't any hand cuffs.

Obama looks like he smokes crack. Skinny lil fella. He doesn't look like a world leader. looks like a snot nose punk.

I shit turds bigger than him.

nancz, thanks for the link. Look at that arrogant bastard. His body language says it all. The policeman is 100X the man BObama wishes he were. Or maybe BO wishes he were a girl, you never can tell nowadays.

Well, TW, everything is all about Obama. The world revolves around him, don't you know. We've all known guys like this. Some of us have dated these types. They inevitably come to be despised.

Posted by: Karin at July 31, 2009 12:46 PM

Fortunately I've learned how to spot the arrogant weasels like Odumbo. It's the little things like the photo Nancz posted that give away just how little class he has. I would have thought that going to an Ivy Leauge school would have taught him a few manners but aparently not.

Well, TW, everything is all about Obama. The world revolves around him, don't you know. We've all known guys like this. Some of us have dated these types. They inevitably come to be despised.

Posted by: Karin at July 31, 2009 12:46 PM

You dated a guy like Obama?

This website is sick. I can't believe how full of hate you people are.

Any rational person understands that someone can disagree with them, even profoundly, and still be a fundamentally good person.

Like with healthcare, conservatives and liberals and moderates (like me)want what's best for the American people's health. There are just VERY different ways people think you should go about it. Now any sane person understands this, and understands that the end goal is the same, you just completely disagree with how to achieve it.

But there are posts on this thread which actually say that liberals want socialized medicine because they know it will fail, because they are evil and want to kill people? What the fuck is wrong with you? What sick freak thinks that way? Do you just have no interaction with human beings what so ever? are you all militia men typing in trailers in Montana, where your only interaction with humanity is via rush limbaaugh and online conspiracy sites? You people talk like people who have no experience with the real world, and with no experience with actual people in the real world.

You people need to come out of your caves and join the human race. It's pretty great. You may not realize this, as you obviously all have no social lives what so ever, but in normal human society, people who don't agree actually get along and work and live and volunteer and go to church or temple together. It's just fantastic. You can have respectful debates and often find compromises to solve community problems. EEspecially when it comes to community volunteering. People come together from all walks of life to do things like Habitat for HUmanity, which I do. It just.... how do you LIVE with this much hate in you? It honestly depresses me just to know people this sad exist in the great country.

Well U.S.A if it depresses you so much then why bother reading the posts here.

Health care? How do you propose to pay for it?

Go sing your Koom Bi ya else where. Your just another frosty faced liberal living in fantasyland.

By the way It's spelled LIMBAUGH you idiot troll.

Don't come here calling us hater while using antagonizing language. Hypocrite..Bring It!!!!

Here's the pic TW was talking about.

are you all militia men typing in trailers in Montana, where your only interaction with humanity is via rush limbaaugh and online conspiracy sites? ... You people need to come out of your caves and join the human race... You may not realize this, as you obviously all have no social lives what so ever...

Yeah, that's sounds totally "moderate." It's a good thing you're so much better than everyone else and would never stoop to stereotyping or insulting people who disagree with you.

V the K,

nancz post that same link. Notice how that skinny arrogant man postures himself.

Spot the liberal. (Hint: search for four-letter words.) They wallow in a toxic brew of hate and fear and racism and grievance politics. It's all they've got.

U.S.A. at July 31, 2009 4:50 PM
conservatives and liberals and moderates (like me)want what's best for the American people's health.

And that would include paying for ILLEGAL ALIEN's health care as well?

Another ball of string for me to toy with

This website is sick. I can't believe how full of hate you people are.

Feel free to give an example of the "hate" you are projecting upon us.

Any rational person understands that someone can disagree with them, even profoundly, and still be a fundamentally good person.

Really? The vile personal attacks on EVERY conservitive woman, her family, friends, and the disgusting "humor" foisted on conservatives in general by liberals proves that this statement is false.

Like with healthcare, conservatives and liberals and moderates (like me)want what's best for the American people's health.

So because conservatives are resisting the goverment takeover of 6% more of the ecomomy somehow equates to "hate" or not wanting "the best" for the nation?

There are just VERY different ways people think you should go about it.

While that's true, there are ALSO very well documented and PROVEN solutions that work! Socialized medicine has been a dismal failure everywhere, hence it should not be tried again here.

Now any sane person understands this, and understands that the end goal is the same, you just completely disagree with how to achieve it.

The "end goal" is NOT the same. Conservitives value FREEDOM, Liberals only value CONTROL over others. So the means the method to attain the desired outcome IS very different.

But there are posts on this thread which actually say that liberals want socialized medicine because they know it will fail, because they are evil and want to kill people?

Feel free to provide ANY INFORMATION that proves that's an inacurate assesment of their plan.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Based on your utter lack of knowledge about the subject, I could ask you the same thing.

What sick freak thinks that way?

Based on your language and petty attitude, apparently you do. Obviously I'm assuming you are capable of thinking which I seriously doubt.

Do you just have no interaction with human beings what so ever?

Considering that I meet thousands of people a month, that's a whole lot of public interaction. I probably know more people than you do. I know I'm certainly more well know than you.

Are you all militia men typing in trailers in Montana, where your only interaction with humanity is via rush limbaaugh and online conspiracy sites?

That's a rather unique insult. Didn't you just say:

This website is sick. I can't believe how full of hate you people are.

Hmm... Either you're not very bright or are so comfortable insulting people you know nothing about that you didn't realize your initial statement was an insult followed by another insult.

You people talk like people who have no experience with the real world, and with no experience with actual people in the real world.

So far it's pretty obvious that YOU are the one is totally cluless about "the real world" and so far have showm YOU have very little "experience with actual people".

You people need to come out of your caves and join the human race.

Only if you promise to leave Odumbo's fantasy land first!!

It's pretty great.

How would you know?

You may not realize this, as you obviously all have no social lives what so ever, but in normal human society, people who don't agree actually get along and work and live and volunteer and go to church or temple together.

Gee, humanity has done THAT for thousands of years. Considering you still are living in some delusional fantasy world created by the Daily Kos I'm suprised you discoverd this strange phenomena. Pehaps you could apply it to your next post??

It's just fantastic.

Does this mean you have finally realized how foolish and disrespectful you are?

You can have respectful debates and often find compromises to solve community problems.

Conservatives do that all the time, you really should try it instead of insults.

Especially when it comes to community volunteering.

What if we don't want to do that, are you going to force us like Odumbo has proposed?

People come together from all walks of life to do things like Habitat for Humanity, which I do.

That's wonderful, it really is. I do a lot of volenteer work also. Do you feel that mentioning this somehow makes you special?

how do you LIVE with this much hate in you?

YOU insult US and then tell us that WE are the hateful ones?? YOU seem a little confused!

It honestly depresses me just to know people this sad exist in the great country.

Well YOU could leave an then there would be one less "sad depressed person" ruining MY great nation!!

Sotomayor ----confirmed racist ---now quietly sitting her great, speckled ass firmly down on a dangerously-creaking supreme court bench.
Admitted recipient of affirmative action, member of la raza, recently humiliated by the supreme court for her racist decision designed to punish high-performing white firemen.

She gets a pat on her ginormous enfatted backside by the white-male liberal democrats on the judicial committee. The witless Lindsey Graham must still be kneeling after kissing her what-could-be-considered-stolen Royal Ring.

An imbecilic tankwoman who effortlessly wound her way up through the judicial ranks using the tried-and-true tools of racism and sexism.
A malodorous she-beast with girth so obscenely rotund that for years, it would render her absolutely incapable of cleaning that one hard-to-reach lower posterior area.

So now Sotomayor, heroine and essence of feminine pulchritude for the liberal braindead, sits upon her layer after layer after layer of wrinkled, putrescent, sweating adipose tissue...waiting, ...patient as a boulder... to finally pass judgment on ... the white devil.

Time for another Jameson.

"Barack Obama’s aunt at home in Southie digs"

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1188143

"She stayed illegally and was revealed to be living in government-subsidized housing."

"2 GA Officers Accused of Running Background Checks on Obama"

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/30/ga-officers-accused-running-background-checks-obama/

If you have to brag about volunteering or giving charity then you probably aren't doing either. You are just another bullshitter.

Understand what I'm sayin' to ya' USA?

Fiberal.....I use to love Jameson. Room temp and clean glass after each 3 ounce pour. Enjoy!! TINK

Surprise - Code Pinkos protesting beauty products

Dave,



Anyone who drinks Jameson knows their business.
TINK to you.

Cars.gov Gives U.S. Government Access to Your Computer

Oklahoma May Just Be The Place To Live

So they think OBAMAS a real man WHAT PATHETIC FOOLS

Well. I’m having a lot of fun remembering the Impeach Bush crowd and all of the other far left nuts that spouted off for 8 years (and are kind of still around fumbling for new grievances right now).

Why? The Big O is getting marginalized by the left and his ultra left support. Are they doing this overtly or are they just to near-sited to realize that they are the true enablers of the ‘Birther’ phenomenon that is happening. Yes MSM. That is specifically you also.

The ‘intellectual’ left is too enamored in its belief system to realize that they are supporting the message, and will drive the issue out of control, and it is fun to watch from where I sit.

They are too ‘stupid’, to use Presidential verbiage, to realize that the question is not about where the Big O was born, or really if he is naturalized, but why is he fighting so hard to hide whatever is really on the Long Form Berth Certificate that is the only document that proves any number of factual evidence of the beginning of the Big O.

Watch as the momentum changes from the question of if he is Constitutionally eligible to the question of why he is trying so hard as to hide something becomes the de facto issue.

Anyway, the Uber-Left is marginalizing its own creation.

Just for fun.
http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/290351.php

I’m no militia man in Montana. I’m a female in Newport Beach, California. An educated one at that. An area with one of the highest concentrations of wealth in the country. Full of us evil conservatives who like making money and actually keeping it. I have no hate towards anyone. I’m a pretty happy woman.

If I really wanted to hit below the belt, I can point out that you appear to be quite uneducated with your incoherent ramblings and misspellings and poor punctuation. So if you wanna do any name calling, bring it on.

I don’t think liberals are evil, I think they’re misguided and some are quite stupid. Liberal men for the most part are whiny femmy men and the women are usually angry and bitter. That’s what I’ve found in my political travels.

Socialized medicine is the death knell to our way of life. It will punish and restrict medical care for the elderly and it will dumb down our way of life. The logical solution would be for most Americans to buy catastrophic care and pay cash for everything else. That's how it used to always be.

As far as giving back, I’m one who gives back nightly. Do you wanna know what I do every night? And yes I really do do this. I go to about a dozen stores that would normally throw their perfectly good food and sundries away. I give that food to the food banks and the non-food items to battered women’s shelters or other women living in the poverty zone. So spare me your rantings and bullshit that we’re all a bunch of evil conservatives.

I’m a patriot, an NRA member, a woman who wants our borders secured, so if in YOUR mind that makes me a hater, whatever………

You know if this site depresses you, why the hell are you on here?

H1N1 first round man made and distributed?

The second string coming this winter will solve the long term medical cost of elder care without all that messy talk about 'end of life options.'

How many Baby Boomers and Pentioneers are coming of retirement age in the USA and UK over the next several years? Tens of Millions are.

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.3882/pub_detail.asp

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/swine-flu/5947290/Pensioners-at-back-of-queue-for-swine-flu-vaccine.html

Posted by: U.S.A. at July 31, 2009 4:50 PM

You appear to be a first rate idiot. No need to respond. Any response from you would only validate my argument on this assertation.

President Maobama and Real Man of Genius = Oxymoron

I just could not pass up posting this for your reading pleasure. Welcome to medical cost reduction for your family, and you in the future.

What I can't understand is why the Political Elite, who have children, will subject them to this. The Left does not love its own spawn.

Exclusive: Yes Virginia – The Government Has Determined Your Time is Up.

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.3884/pub_detail.asp

H1N1, the scientific abbreviation for the "One Hussein One" virus, was indeed man-made in a secret bio-chemical laboratory in Hawaii, although some insiders say it was really located in Indonesia.

The words of Andrew Sullivan? Why yes. And he sounds kind of 'Birther' like.

"Obama promised total transparency. Where is it? Or will it arrive at the moment when he tackles the deficit, and withdraws from Iraq?"

The Left is taking on the 'Birther' mantra?

Egg them on conseratives. They can not resist....

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/back-to-square-one.html

Janet, you might like to check out The Art and Science of Dumpster Diving. Came in quite handy during my college years.

One man gathers what another man spills...

Sometimes he's nutty
Sometimes he's corny
He can be brown or greenish brown
(Mmmmhmmm!)
But if you eat fiber on Christmas eve
He might come to your town!

This website is sick. I can't believe how full of hate you people are.

No you just want a hand out, You care nothing about anyone else but yourself. You are little more than a liberal piece of trash.

Here is a good quick read from American Thinker on the dumbing down of America, the liberal way.

Liberalism and the Dumbing Down of America:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/liberalism_and_the_dumbing_dow.html

Unicorn, not everything in America has to turn a profit and that does not mean a handout.Fact: Your fellow Americans are facing real issues and problems.I suggest you look this up.

"But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."

You guys seem to scream "socialism" at every turn because you small government, fewer taxes and more guns, however, that sounds like Somalia. You don't live on an island of 50 people.

Kyle,

I've been to Somalia.

Your an idiot to make that comparison.

You are, however, entertaining. Watching you try to string together a rational argument is like watching a slow motion car wreck.

Hey Van,

How to drive a progressive MoonBat over the edge.

Regan video.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6wCqpXcGPs&feature=related

Only 2 minutes. Milt Friedman, Ayn Rand & Thomas Sowell? Rockin? Against the Dali-Bama? Crank it....

Seriously we need to push this and help this guy get some traffic, he's putting together some really cool stuff.

Take the Pain Pill

Kyle,


not everything in America has to turn a profit
Why not?

someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad

And I'm just generally curious: Do you really think like this or do you have occasional moments of lucidity in which you can actually focus on a single topic?

Why do these lefties hate profits so much?

Why do you people always get so irate when I have a different opinion. Public schools have dumbed down the general populice so much that history has become a blur. Stalin, Hitler, Chairman Mao, Pol Pot, Mussolini, The Ayatollah Khomeini etc. etc. etc. were very good people and they have been demonized by our 2nd rate history professors.
If I could I would invite them over to stay in your home just to prove they were good people. I would invite them to my place but my mom doesn't approve of sleep overs and i'm on the rag. I have a heavy flow and it lasts for 30-31 days a month except for february when it lasts for 28 days on a good year but sometimes 29.

VtheK,

What an ignoramus can't make, he destroys.
BO has drawn the template.

Here's an interesting piece of information from JB Williams at http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13295



Obama has spent a reported $1 Million in legal fees to keep the following sealed:


* Obama’s official birth records -SEALED
* His Occidental College records -SEALED
* His Columbia College records -SEALED
* His Harvard College records -SEALED
* His College Thesis -SEALED
* His Harvard Law Review articles -SEALED
* His Indonesia Adoption records -SEALED
* His Passport file -SEALED
* His connection to countless foreign and domestic thugs -SEALED



As for the first one, Williams also correctly makes the point that either the Constitution Article II; Section I, stands or it does not.
It certainly stood for McCain when the lefties & RINOs held that his original, documented birth certificate was a fast and certain threshold for eligibility for him to become president.
If now this section of the Constitution is no longer the law of the land, or if proof of American birth is whatever special people say it is, then the House needs to include this in their slap-happy resolution to affirm BO's American birth status.

Updates: Child Rape and Violating Trees

It’s a challenge keeping up with continuing developments in the news and new outlooks on that news but to ignore them would be to ignore the ramifications and new perspectives that come to light. Therefore a few updates on previous articles.

Regular readers may recall the sickening story of an 8 year old Liberian immigrant girl in Phoenix who was brutally gang-raped by 4 fellow African boys, aged 9-14: http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1131

Her dad blamed his child, disowned her for bringing shame on the family, and condoned the actions of the other cherubs since it was just a cultural thing.

The shame should have been visited on the father for his failure to comfort his daughter and salve her emotional and physical wounds. Her mom didn’t utter a public word.

In a very incisive piece on Pajamasmedia.com, http://bit.ly/1otSf, the author brings out a significant point about that horrific event, a perspective that all Americans should be aware of and should digest and deeply consider before the next election.

As the son of a legal, Irish immigrant, it would be grossly hypocritical to take a stand against all immigration. Nevertheless, I feel free to speak out against some immigration, particularly when the new arrivals hold beliefs that not only are antithetical to established American values and principles but radically different.

Such is the case of many people who have come to our shores from the Third World. And, it’s not a question of color, something that must be stipulated nowadays to forestall the usual charges of racism. It’s a question of those values which are vastly different from American traditions.

Phillis Schesler makes a very salient point about that whole rape situation, not directly in respect to our immigration policies, disagreement with which would be deemed racist if honestly explicated, but to the history and values of many Third Worlders.

As she writes, they ”bring both their barbarism and their traumatized histories right along with them when they come to America.”

To think that even after a few generations that Third World immigrants could adapt to such beliefs that the rape of a child can be condoned in any way, after centuries of adherence to African–and Islamic–beliefs, is patently ridiculous.

It’s only a matter of time until those new arrivals expand their horizons to include white 8 year olds as their objects of affections.

In a semi-related event, the Obama White House in resident expert on science, John Holdren, is on record as believing that kids aren’t real human beings until they are “socialized,” which could take years after they are born: http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1137.

My research couldn’t determine whether Mr. Holdren is or is not a flaming homosexual but I know this much: The man has never met a 2 year old and probably not an infant. He hasn’t a clue as to their innate humanity.

Further delving into Holdren’s history turns up . . .

(Read the rest at http://genelalor.com)

Public Schools..................? And this is going to support your, um, argument?

Again, you are an idiot.

No, EVERYTHING does not HAVE TO make a profit, but BUSINESSES do.

You provide goods and/or services to others and they compensate you in a way that alows you to cover expenses and put aside some extra for emergencies, expanding your operation, to care for your family and provide for your old age. That's how capitalism works.

Many Liberals have cried foul because the guy who screws on lug nuts at GM doesn't get the price of an ENTIRE car, yet we have Liberals posting here that doctors shouldn't get any more than what they need to cover operating and living expenses. Why do you Liberals hate doctors, nurses, medical techs and orderlies? You'll throw money at "artists" for craping on pictures, but you want to starve the people who save lives.

Actually, I think this one may be in error:

* His Harvard Law Review articles -SEALED

Obama, as the president of the Harvard Law Review, wrote one Article, an unsigned article touting abortion.

http://joebidensaidthat.com/

KHarn,
Correct. EVERYTHING doesn't HAVE TO make a profit: my dogs don't, my guitar doesn't, my boat certainly does anything but.

However people should.

Hehe! Isn't that clever that someone wants to post under my name. Kharn, I understand your point, as misguided as I think it is. We can agree to disagree. However, you seem to think we hate doctors and nurses etc is nonsense. It is the left who support their Unions heavily, and the right who want to tear down Unions. We have far too many problems in our country that capitalism cannot fix. Many people went into the medical field to help people, not cash in.

Kyle,
Now that you seem to be snuffling around something more concrete, maybe you could explain a problem that capitalism can't fix.

The "help people" ideal of young doctors is only made possible by a hierarchy of profits.
At the end of those profits, Docs who in turn don't make profits, or ("cash in" by your view) aren't long for the profession.

(back to you later)

RE:Posted by: Anonymous at August 1, 2009 9:55 AM

Interesting website. It's about time someone set up a site to catalog all of Biden's gaffes and misdeeds. This is just the tip of the iceberg, though. They left a LOT of stuff out, like the current lawsuits against Joe and Beau, the huge, glaring gaffes from the Palin debate, etc. Hopefully they'll work all that stuff in as well.

Joe Biden is a serious embarassment to those of us that live here in BidenLand. At least now the rest of the country can share the joke.

BTW....when his one term as VP is over, we DON'T want him back!!

I don't see how moonbats can bash "ZOMG PROFITS! OH NOES!" yet they are going to be the ones who "profit" by stealing from the current "profit takers."

They seem to bash what they can't get as a result of being lazy, useless, and choosing not to provide.

Liberalism is clearly a mental disease.

These are the kind of people who think racism only goes one way.
Profit is bad but redistribution is good (even though it's across-the-board profit to libtards at the expense of those who actually earned it).
Killing terrorists is bad but aborting babies (because they are an inconvenience) is good.
Government is good and small business is bad (80% of our employment and income is based on small business and all gov't projects have failed to date).

Absolute idiocy.

Icky capitalists... always startin' wars and stuff. Obviously, socialism is the answer. Cuba has an outstanding hospital system and a thriving economy. Why, Cuba's medical system is so good I am sure Christopher Dodd will fly there rather than use this putrid stinking capitalist pustule of an American medical system. You can bet on it! White man's greed runs a world in need. Laws, yes!

Seriously though, capitalism tells us that if health care costs too much, it's a supply-and-demand problem. The way to make it cost less is to increase the supply; more doctors, more nurses, more clinics, more hospitals.

This could be accomplished by capping malpractice suits, as Texas has done with great success. By creating incentives for people to enter the medical profession, and by decreasing regulations that restrict both entry into the field of health care insurance and competition among entities; such as by ending mandates on policies that force people to pay for things like fertility services that some will never need.

ObamaCare does exactly the opposite; it expands the ability of the trial lawyers bar to file suits (as one would expect), it piles more regulations and mandates on insurers, and places further limitations and burdens on doctors and nurses, discouraging people from entering the field.

And only a dimwitted cultist like Kyle could believe that Obama is going to pull a "loaves and fishes" miracle by vastly expanding the government's role in health care *and* lowering costs.

VtK,

And what does our Demo congress want to enact right now? Tax cuts and protections for the Edwardsesq Trial Lawyers..............

Profit is not just money. It is a moral concept that liberals just cannot understand.

If you have something that costs you $10 to make, and you can only sell it for $10, then you have not added any value to your customers or to the planet, and you therefore get no profit. But if you can figure out something to do to the thing to get people to pay $15 for it, then you make a $5 profit. The $5 represents your contribution - you adding on to the value of the thing, increasing the value of the planet so to speak.

That is what liberals cannot grasp. They think of the $5 as $5 taken from someone else. If that's the way the world really worked, we would still be living in caves, hunting game and wrapping ourselves in animal skins. If human productivity were really a zero-sum game there would be nothing new since we split off from Australopithicenes. Every single thing that's been produced by mankind since emerging from caves was done for, and is directly represented by, profit.

Profits drive innovation, research, design, ingenuity, creation, expansion, and capabilities.

Without profits, there is no incentive to do anything, ever. They are absolutely needed for us to continue and improve as a civilization.

Like I read somewhere (forget where exactly) but if you take profits out of the game, you are explicitly promoting de-development. Isn't that, by simple definition, a step back?... and you want to apply that concept to civilization!? I think there is no help for some of these people.

Liberalism is a mental disease, curable only by death. For some it won't come soon enough... at least not until after they've destroyed the greatest country that the world has ever known.

I was quite amused.

And this reminds me of the similar thing those libtards did to GWB.

USA………....4:50pm, July 31

You may or may not be back to read the responding comments to your post, but I will tell you why it looks like hate to you.

Michelle and Janet said it well and they speak for others who feel the same way. We’re not hateful at all, we’re frustrated.

We’re frustrated with people who either can’t see, or won’t see, the growing danger in America. We’re tired of people who are dusting the blinds when our entire house is engulfed in flames. The people on this site are basically ‘first-responders’ warning you of the flames and smoke, and you can only say, “Keep your hands off me, you hateful bastards”.

You said, “Any sane person understands…….the end goal is the same”.

We’re frustrated because people like you actually believe that to be the truth. It is sad, but that is NOT the truth.

Believe it or not, the current administration is reweaving the very fabric of American society by quietly installing people you don’t know, passing legislation you can’t see, and removing basic rights and freedoms you’ve always taken for granted. This is unheard of—it’s never happened in America! We see it clearly—you don’t. We’re simply trying to warn you. We’re frustrated because you either don’t know it and you refuse to look at the facts, or you simply don’t believe it can happen. It can happen and it is!

We are frustrated because we have given you a thousand facts to prove our point. And still you yell at us. The bloggers on this site study the facts. They are not guessing. They aren’t operating on feelings…….no one here wanted to take sides but facts don’t lie. We have no choice.

If you want feelings and hate, go to the Huffington Post. If you are concerned at all with safeguarding your basic freedoms, of preserving the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and of protecting your right to vote and be heard, then I would suggest you get past the ‘frustration’ and begin looking at the facts.

Many people on this site were once of your opinion until they quelled their emotions, looked at what was being said, realized it was true…and now are trying to warn others. Stop with the feelings—look at the facts.

Posted by: AlphaMail at August 1, 2009 11:07 AM

ON THE MONEY! Theses idiots thrive on emotion and not facts. That's how we ended up with a Kenyan socialist in the white house. These fools followed their emotions so aimlessly because they were hell bent on putting a man of color in the white house know well he had no experience. The cracks around the Obama egg are starting to show.

Holy hell... is ABC actually against socialized deathcare?

Obama's Hitler Youth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLUR3ydMQXQ

In 30 years, America will have 50 million Muslims and in a mere 7 years, Islam will be the dominant religion of the world

This is one of the rare times where we NEED population control...

ATTC.....Time for a world war.

OMG... you HAVE to watch this...

How to order pizza in 2012...

WOW!! That's scary. Thanks for thw link ATTC.

I have a feeling we aren't too far away from that...

... considering, by their standards, I'd already be deemed an extremist.

I'm considered an extremist as well. I also hate. That really gets the libtard blood boiling.

Bank teller stops robber, gets fired.

check this out folks....especially you libtards.

www.Slate.com/id/2223909/?GT=38001

Kyle, I ran your contrib through my Acme Decoder Lite; this was the result, "If being a liberal means that I value green energy even though it doesn't work and never will, that everyone has the right to die, but not everyone has the right to live, that lawmakers do not have to practice what they preach, that I must be silent in the presence of one who has been oppressed no matter what he is saying, that cities are bad for the environment, that I am ashamed of my country, that marriage is outdated, that compulsion beats persuasion, that I love people in general but not any individual one, that it is easier to re-distribute wealth than make it,then I am proud to say that I am a liberal."
Just thought you would like to know

Obama Poll Numbers Plummet Faster Than Carter's

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_carter_polls/2009/07/31/242550.html

Oh, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......

Oiao msnbc is reporting that Obamas numbers are on a slide. The more this health care gets in the spot light the more Obama looses ground.

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!

Dave,

I'm just wondering what the true Waterloo is going to be with the MSM (FOX included) and this Administration?

What is going to be the thing that opens the flood gates and reporters start reporting on the facts that lay before them?

We shall see. I think the return of Congress for the Fall Session will tell wonders. Afterall, the next Session begins the true election cycle for the mid-terms.

I couldn't agree with more Oiao. People are actually reading this health care bill and the more they read the less they like. I also believe that the drive by media is losing so much money from making up news they are now beginning to actually report the truth.

The leaves aren't the only things that will be changing this fall....American attitudes and perceptions will be changing as well.

Gloat all you want libtards.....you movement is doomed.

Kyle sez: "It is the left who support their Unions heavily,..."

So apparently he would happily take credit for the tragic demise of a once great state.

For that alone, the left deserves to be excoriated.

That was a good read Kathleen. Thank you.

Same coupld be said for the Steel Industry in PA and the Midwest.

"It is the left who support their Unions heavily, and the right who want to tear down Unions.
"Posted by: Kyle at August 1, 2009 10:03 AM"

"Unions" "UNIONS"!! We are talking about medical professionals and patients, not unions.

You just betrayed yourself, you care only for UNIONS like a typical socialist.

That was me, answering Kyle.

If charitable giving is any indication, then liberals must like their money because they don't give much away.
Yet they claim not to like profits.

That says a lot about the greed and hypocrisy of liberals.

Capitalism provides the strongest moral foundation in a society because it requires individuals to behave in a mutually-beneficial manner.
Liberals hate capitalism.

That says a lot about the fundamentals of liberalism and the principles they hold.

Here's one for you - Moonbat proposes repealing the Constitution to stimulate the economy.

Fiberal...

I think I'm actually a socialist and Obama is the real capitalist...I like to socialize ('specially Saturday nights), while Obama seems to capitalize on every news flash, crisis, and infected hangnail.

It's so hard to understand this political stuff...maybe that's why Kyle is having such a tough time.

The Left does not like the fact that the rest of us are adopting their time honed tatics (back to the 60's for the Right).

Listen to them act shocked and whine about the fact that the American Public (non left) is about to put the message in face of the Left's Masters.

They've been dishing it out for years, but can't take a couple of months of return treatment of the same.

Booo, Hooooo.......

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Right-Wing Harassment Strategy Against Dems Detailed In Memo: ‘Yell,’ ‘Stand Up And Shout Out,’ ‘Rattle Him’
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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/31/recess-harassment-memo/

AlphaMail,

Agreed. Political stuff is hard to understand. That's probably why Kyle quit the discussion.

We should back off.
I imagine the poor lower primate has been weeping uncontrollably into a binky.

Obama Joker Poster Popping Up In Los Angeles!

This is really going to piss Rham off because the secret is out.

Be the first on your block to display one proudly.

Could be a really cool bumper sticker.

Picture:
http://newsbusters.org/static/2009/08/Obama%20Joker%20Poster%20Popping%20Up%20In%20Los%20Angeles.jpg

Picture:
http://tammybruce.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/obamajoker.jpg

Article:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/08/01/obama-joker-poster-popping-los-angeles

"Posted by: Oiao at August 1, 2009 5:35 PM"

The commeter are freaking insane! The only conservative that posted was "voted down", his post hidden.

Obama Joker Poster Popping Up In Los Angeles

Another humorous picture

Damnit Oaio.... beat me to it... that's what I get for not reading previous posts...

I want 1000 of those posters so that I can hang them all over Memphis.

ATTC - not a competition. LOL 'Collectivly' we all put our sholder to the wheel to get the message out.

Semper Fi.

Florida Anti-Islam Church Steps it up a Notch!

House bill aimed at accountability for appointed 'czars'...

I have no doubt that this will get party-line crushed...

House Committee Rejects Closing Health Coverage Loophole for Illegal Aliens... sigh. The flood of illegals will increase exponentially...

That was funny! Not one of you recognize that is from Kennedy's acceptance speech. And I didn't quit the conversation, I opted to avoid right-wing tools for the day. I will again shortly once I head out for drinks with liberal and conservative friends. The point you guys are missing on "not everything in America has to turn a profit" is that an education and health are a right. No matter what Rep. Wamp says, the general welfare of Americans is the Government's issue as well.

No, it is not a right. If the ability to take it away exists, it is no longer a right.

... and remember...

"A government big and powerful enough to give you anything is big and powerful enough to take away everything, and we reject that kind of government."

Or, the more commonly known quote...

"A government powerful enough to give you everything you want, is powerful enough to take everything you have."

Nice little Snooze Thompson quote there. Nice try. You may want to pay attention to what your fellow citizens are facing. A resolution to make the President apologize, a beer summit, or a party of Neo-Cons isn't going to fix it. People are faced with real problems. What do you propse the Government do when bankruptcies are rising because of health-care costs, job losses on a daily basis etc.? This all didn't happen on January 20th! Step up to the plate conservatives, we are all in this!

Kyle = yawn.

Kyle, now you are getting repetitive.

Learn how to debate instead of throwing leftist sound bites.

Apparently you ignore the fact that the almost all of the piss-poor legislation which lead to the current meltdown began in 2007 (the first year that Dems took control of Congress)... well, technically, the loose housing regulations (forced banks to offer loans to people that shouldn't have gotten a loan because they can't afford it) came about in the Clinton years...

Thank Demoncrats.

Frankly, you're an idiot.

Kyle, why do always upper case 'Government'?

And of course healthcare costs are rising... quality is continuously improving. Plus, with unemployment, many lose their current health care insurance. Now, when those who lack insurance have to seek medical care (plus the constant influx of illegals abusing the system), the hospital has to bite the bullet, increasing costs AGAIN, because there is no insurance company to "subsidize" the cost.

^^'you'^^

...damn it!

I don't think Kyle has any understanding of fundamental concepts.

Cause and effect.
Poor people don't provide jobs.
Taxing manufacturers and businesses artificially inflates the cost of the product (passed onto the consumer).
Increasing the MINIMUM wage inevitably leads to things costing more... plus, those at/above that level prior to the increase are making relatively less.
Profits drive innovation.
If you cut off your arm, you can't control your fingers (he'd probably argue this).
Kiling the golden goose exacerbates (and sometimes IS) the problem.
A turd is a turd, no matter how much paint you throw at it.

Socialists not content with destroying Michigan's economy propose burning the wreckage.

- A mandatory $10 per hour minimum wage.
- Moratorium on foreclosures.
- Mandatory health insurance.

The point you guys are missing on "not everything in America has to turn a profit" is that an education and health are a right. No matter what Rep. Wamp says, the general welfare of Americans is the Government's issue as well.

Posted by: Kyle at August 1, 2009 6:48 PM

What in the fuck are you babbling about Kyle. If you worked for me I would fire you liberal ass. In my opinion all business entities health care and education included should turn a profit so they can grow and get better at what they do for people and the community. Profits = jobs you nut sack.
Profits determine the quality of the service and or the product.

Health care is a right, but the problem is the cost of it and the insurance premiums. Health care cost can be fixed just by controlling these greedy fuck head lawyers that infest congress. as far as health insurance it's not a right if that is what you are implying. You don't need health insurance to receive health care in this country. It does help with the expense but if you walk into any hospital in this country with chest pain they will treat you and send you a bill which you will have to work out with them.

Kyle your Ok for a liberal in my book, but please refrain from the Andy like comments...They just make you look stupid.

Dave,

I applaud you for adopting the Presidential term of 'stupid'. LOL

After all, the Big O is setting the standard for America now.

The fact that he used a variation of 'stupid' in a national presser just goes to show how much 'intellectial' liberalism is dumming down America. No?

Not this American. I will not be dumbed down. All of us conservatives here have a very important job. That is to smarten up America. It will be a hard job, Oiao, but someone has to do it.

Amen.

Now, praise the lord and pass the ammunition.

http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/hr-2749-totalitarian-control-of-the-food-supply/

And just so you know, the House passed this by a wide margin...
Government will have the power of food productions.

... a side article.

To Kyle and the rest of the misguided liberals.

You knowingly come into a conservative blog and spout off your comments. If I were to go onto HufPo, they’d never publish my comments. You’re damn lucky V_K publishes your comments and allows your comments go on the record. If I were the owner of this blog - I'd block your ass.

Liberals are hypocrites. Case in point healthcare – Dodd now has prostrate cancer. If he was a regular guy on the Obama plan, he’d be one dead duck. But since he has the elitist insurance, he’ll probably live and get a lifetime supply of Viva La Viagra.

Pelosi, Feinsten and Boxer all are millionaires. So is Obama, Biden and the majority of the cronies in DC. Yes the 3 idiots from California continue to run for office and get re-elected and they don’t need the money! It’s all about power.

Feinstein, Boxer and Pelosi don't need to work anymore. Why don't they put their money where their mouth is and run a charitable organization to give health care and provide food to the poor ON THEIR DIME?

Kyle – men like Obama, his hack Van Johnson (who’s an admitted Black Nationalist and Communist) hate whitey and would love nothing better than to destroy this country through their Marxist policies.

You can spew out all the little BS you want, but I refuse to allow this administration turn MY country in a socialized hell hole.

You mention profits. Do you work for free? Healthcare, do you want your Mom, wife or grandma in their later years be euthanized as it’s too expensive to keep them alive? I think not.

Be careful of what you ask for liberals – you might just get it. God I hope not.

Since when did health care become a "right", anyway?

Why isn't a cell or a laptop a "right" too? Both are basically required to be part of modern society.

So is a college education. And for that matter, if you want to be a lawyer, wouldn't you have a right to a graduate school education?

So is clothing - you have to have clothes to have access to any opportunities. You can't just go out naked. Clothing is a human right.

So is food. Food would have to be even more of a right than health care.

As is shelter. Shelter would have to be a right, too. You have a right to a house.

As would transportation. A car is a right. How are you supposed to get to work?

Toilet paper would have to be a right. In a society as rich as ours, it would be unconscionable to not provide such a basic tool of sanitation and disease avoidance. Soap, towels, and a loofa would also be rights. As would the shower/bath enclosure. You cannot have a rich country like ours and deny people their right to be clean.

In fact, what wouldn't be a "right", once rights are just things that everyone is entitled to if they live in a well-off place?

Do I have a right to not have to expend my savings to provide things for people who haven't earned them? Or is saving my own money and keeping it not a right?

The founders had it right. Life. Liberty. Pursuit of Happiness. These are things you are born with, not something the government hands you. The latter are not "rights", just hand outs.

Agree on your post above except for one correction.

Having spent a lot of time in the Middle East and other Muzzie countries, they would not agree with you forcing toilet paper on them as a right.

They just use the hand for that purpose.

Figured I would give this another shot after cocktails with conservative friends. Janet, you seem to have this mind set that Liberals are dead set on destroying America...you are wrong. Admittedly, I have typed a few, but so have many others on both sides. It has long been said that America is a work in progress, why can't we have the humility to admit we have gotten some things wrong? You want to talk about socialism, but refuse to admit socialized countries have at time been right. Providing the "general welfare" didn't mean "I got mine". The Bill of Rights and Constitution was written by both conservatives and liberals, they had the "humility" to find an argument/agreement.

I think Mega summed up a large portion of the liberal philosophy that drives their insane ideas.

They just want want want yet they have no desire to attain things (for themselves) through rational, fair, earn-what-get/have means. It's easier to take than it is to give. Giving requires them to actually be a provider, as opposed to a leech.

Libtards should be DAMN GRATEFUL that there are PROVIDERS. Someone has to work around here...

Kyle - gentleman such as yourself will never agree with me so we'll agree to disagree. Even with common sense facts most liberal like yourselves will not even see the other side. I refuse to break a nail typing anymore to you.

Virginity, Abortion, and Homosexuality

Virginity, abortion, and homosexuality have to come close to topping the list of hot topics in contemporary discourse and all are discussed on http://americansfortruth.com/, the website for a new organization of AFTAH, Americans For Truth About Homosexuality.

Its current lead article, reprinted from http://www.lifesitenews.com/, concerns the first two topics only. It relates to Tim Tebow, Florida Gators’ quarterback, a “rising star” in college football who just made the cover of Sports Illustrated and is a Heisman nominee.

Tim is also a unique star in today’s America.

Home-schooled by his mom, and proud of it, Tim is a committed Christian, and proud of that as well. Those facts, though, do not fully explain his uniqueness.

He dropped a bombshell last week at a news conference when asked a totally irrelevant question by a nitwit reporter as to whether he was “saving himself” for marriage.

Rather than responding with the retort that many of us would use to an oddball query namely, “What the hell stupid question is that?” he simply said, “Yes, I am.”

Therein was the bombshell. The room was rocked and flabbergasted at Tim’s admission that a handsome, 21 year old, star football QB living in 2009 America, probably already plagued by teenage groupies, was a virgin who planned to stay that way until he married.

Today, in our sex-saturated society such a revelation by even a high school athlete would cause a media stir.

Tim is happy with the publicity he’s been getting of late not because it feeds his ego but because it has given him the opportunity to interact with many more people and spread his Christian faith.

One of the strongest tenets of that faith is a reverence for the sanctity of life and he has directly and significantly benefitted from his mother’s strong opposition to abortion: It’s the reason he is alive.

While pregnant with Tim, Mrs. Tebow contracted a life-threatening infection and was pressured by her doctors to have an abortion. She refused and both she and her son are alive and well today.

Tim tossed another bombshell at the press conference when he said, “There has been a lot of people that have been encouraged not to have an abortion because they heard the story of my mom, or they have been encouraged because they have heard me give my faith on TV or in a report.”

As I said, Tim Tebow is unique.

On the other side of the AFTAH coin are less wholesome stories and reports on recent activities in the gay world, which world is intruding more and more on the normal world. Cases in point:

. “Pro-homosexual Websites Slam AFTAH for Call To Investigate Health Risks of ‘Gay’ Sex.” Those risks are patently obvious to all but the most obtuse homosexuals and well known to the most self-destructive gays. Yet, People for the American Way is campaigning to end the ban on gays donating blood. Yet, governments nationwide refuse to regulate a chain of homosexual “bathhouses.” Steamworks even offered student discounts for spring break. . . .
(Read the rest at http://genelalor.com)

Providing the "general welfare" didn't mean "I got mine".

You managed to ignore that that statement is followed by a list of items that the government may do in pursuit of the general welfare. Providing health care is not listed there. Let me refresh your memory:

"To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

And that's all!

The leftist stupidity, in full force.

ROB BANKS beat me to it, but I can still add this request for KYLE:

Please quote the part of the Uinited States Constitution that says that education, health and "welfare" is a RIGHT. Please quote for us where it says that the federal government is charged with provideing such "needs".

PS: Did you know that the Cabinet post "Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare" was not created ubtill the TWENTIETH CENTURY? That seems odd if, as you say, these are Constitutioal rights.

Although I despise The Daily Show (aside from its rare moments of actual humor), this video does make me laugh quite a bit. It's about Tim Theftner's incredible understanding of the economy, or lack thereof.

The statement "health care is a right" is a conclusionary statement. It isn't a statement floating in the air. Kyle, please tell us the logic with which you proceed and is then summed up in the conclusionary statement "health care is a right" - the "this is the way it is and therefor health care is a right."

Kyle,

Have another drink and stay away from here because you are getting your ass smacked all around and you should be quite embarrassed of all this.

Maybe you should stop drinking.

Awww, I see you guys missed me. For years, health care reform has been debated. The "general welfare" was used in the manner that still applies today. Our Government has the ability to step in and protect the citizens. Nearly 18,000 people die a year from preventable illness because they could not get care, that is 6 times the amount that we lost on 9/11. For all your outrage then, you seem not to care for those without insurance or the under insured. Protecting our citizens is the business of our Government. It is our right to have access to care without the dangers of bankruptcy because of the costs. If someone is unable to pay a $7,000 bill at the hospital, your rates go up. Some premiums are going up as we discuss this. You also worry about the cost, but did not worry about the costs of war. The monies spent in Iraq and Afghanistan could already pay for health care. I saw someone mentioned Chris Dodd earlier, we pay for his health care, but you don't him paying for ours? Gimme a break.

... and how many innocent children could have lived perfectly normal lives had it not been for abortion? Abortion is preventable jackass. You're angry that some people died due to preventable disease (and lack of coverage, which is a complete lie to begin with) but you're totally content with killing children... You, sir, contradict yourself at every corner.

Your 18,000 number doesn't even hold a candle to the abortion numbers.

You do realize that the cheats in government evade taxes like it's their job. You honestly believe that they'll "pay into the system" for us "serfs," knowing they won't get anything out of it? Geez you are naive.

Oh, lest we forget, YOUR demoncRATic congress recently alotted MORE money for MORE military spending in Afghanistan...

Once again, you contradict yourself by supporting demoncRAT moves that you previously condemned when they were considered Republican moves.

Kyle……….11:50 am

Yeh, we missed you...it’s hard to overlook a weeping sore.

“18,000 people die a year from……6 times the amount we lost on 9/11…”

That’s about the same amount we lost we lost on D-Day in the war to oust your Fuhrer. We probably should have avoided that nasty American aggression so we could have provided health care for the needy.

A ONE-DAY sacrifice of noble American boys to insure that you have the right to spout Socialist rhetoric……they died for the General Welfare of which Rob Banks spoke at 12:03 am. They died for Democracy--so our citizens could make their own free decisions and live a life independent of government intrusion (including forced health care), and yes, so the government would be able to protect its citizenry……………not so it could breastfeed it.

Kyle,
Just read your post espousing reasonable debate, courtesy, your 'conservative friends' and so on. That was not a post with merit, it was not a post of substance, it was not a post at all, it was a shameless piece of hypocrisy.
After you have had all your slogan daubed balloons pricked, you have been driven back to a hurt-filled complaint.
Complaining about the manner of a debate is the last hopeless point of a loser.

Awww, I see you guys missed me.

You really shouldn't flatter yourself Kyle. We were really much more happy when not having to correct your communist drivel.

For years, health care reform has been debated.

Actually the ONLY debate is weather or not America wants this ridiculous sham and the people have CONSITANTLY said NO!! The problem is idiots like you keep trying to convince everyone how "great" it is even though they are vastly more informed about it than you.

The "general welfare" was used in the manner that still applies today.

We both know THAT'S a lie. Communists like you have just consitantly tried to change the definition and meaning from the original intent. Strangely enough if you read the Constitution it's ACTUALLY quite clear in that regard.

Our Government has the ability to step in and protect the citizens.

From what? Doctors? Lawyers? Hangnails? Bad breath? Jeans that don't fit very well? Stale Popcorn? Rude people? Bad hair day's? Jerks I've dated? Broken fingernails? Stains that tide can't get out?

Nearly 18,000 people die a year from preventable illness because they could not get care, that is 6 times the amount that we lost on 9/11.

42,636 car accident deaths
16,692 persons were murdered ( Isn't killing people illegal? )
631,636 Heart disease: NO KNOW CURE / NOT PREVENATBLE
559,888 Cancer: NO KNOW CURE / NOT PREVENATBLE
137,119 Stroke : NO KNOW CURE / NOT PREVENATBLE
124,583 Chronic lower respiratory diseases:
121,599 Accidents (unintentional injuries):
72,449 Diabetes: NO KNOW CURE / NOT PREVENATBLE
72,432 Alzheimer's disease: NO KNOW CURE / NOT PREVENATBLE
56,326 Influenza and Pneumonia:

So why don't we MAKE IT ILLEGAL to drive a car, or kill people, or get Cancer or Alzheimer's or get in an accident??

You see Kyle, your moronic grasp at some baseless statistic is meaningless and doesn't stand up to any amount of review. Making something legal or illegal WILL NOT prevent it's occurance. People die every day, every moment of the day, all over the U.S. and while some of it may be prevenatble much of it is not!!

For all your outrage then, you seem not to care for those without insurance or the under insured.

Stop projecting! YOU don't actually care about "the uninsured" or you would have supported Bush when he tried to reform healthcare during his term. Becasue YOU didn't means that YOU are a pathetic lying cad when you spout off about how much you care.

Protecting our citizens is the business of our Government.

Wrong again. The MILTARY is specifically charged with that duty, Congress must only ensure we have a well funded one. The military is charged with defending the nation from invasion and protecting our teritory or interests. Don't attempt to twist the two together and come up with some dumb argument about health care. The Constitution SPECIFICALLY stated what the role of Congress has in regard to the defence of the nation.

It is our right to have access to care without the dangers of bankruptcy because of the costs.

First you try to tie "healthcare" to national defence, NOW you're trying to conect it to monetary policy? Bankruptcy is an inherrant RISK in a capatalist nation. The "cost's" don't cause bankruptcy!! Poor fiscal policy or management are the DIRECT cause of bankruptcy you idiot.

If someone is unable to pay a $7,000 bill at the hospital, your rates go up.

Where on earth did you come up with THAT? Daily Kos? Democrat Underground? Odumbo? IF you have insurance the cost of a procedure has NOTHING to do with you "rate" from the provider. IF you do not have insurance then YOU are billed directly by the hospital and make payments just like when you buy a car moron. NEITHER of which affect the "rate" from a insuring agent!!

Some premiums are going up as we discuss this.

Auto insurance premiums go up and down all the time. Homeowner policies fluctuate also. Credit card interest is ALSO on a sliding scale based on RISK, Length of time held, etc. Unless you have personally purchased an insurace policy of ANY type you might want to go learn a little about finacial market structures before you try to impress anyone.

You also worry about the cost, but did not worry about the costs of war.

Knowing how much warfare will cost is impossible. Knowing how much Cancer treatement will actually cost is ALSO impossible. Everybody has to evaluate the "cost" of any treatment/war/automobile/vacation/new tv etc. based on THE REWARD or THE VALUE of it's success/failure.

Just because something is expensive does not make it a bad idea or unjust. However the expense must have a VALUE or a BENIFIT to whomever makes the purchase!! Our soldiers are willing to use their lives as PAYMENT to defend this fantastic nation!! IF you had ever PAID anything for the FREEDOM they have given you you might be a little more gracious for their gift you @#$%^$#!@$%^ !!!!!

The monies spent in Iraq and Afghanistan could already pay for health care.

Not according to the CBO or the OMB or ANY other accounting model.

I saw someone mentioned Chris Dodd earlier, we pay for his health care, but you don't him paying for ours?

THAT is why congress should be forced into whatever stupid plan they force the rest of us into! Don't you find it just a little insulting that Dood will not join YOU in the plan he is going to MAKE you accept?

It's good enough for YOU but Not congress? If you had any brains at all you would not like it but based on how little you obviously know you probably need someone to run your life for you.

Gimme a break.

Sweetie, breaking the insane rantings of a communist sympathyser like you apart is what I love to do!! Keep comming back so I can continue to highlight your ignorance and hypocracy.

It amazes me that there is such a vast amount of ignorance and incompetence contained in each and every line that Kyle spews forth from his keyboard.

Just the fact that Michelle, justifiably, is able to tear EVERY sentence apart makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Here's to you Michelle. Keep on fightin'.

Damn Michelle looks like you have yourself a new BITCH tonight!!

Yea I'm cheering her on so fuck off Andy and the rest of you libtards.

BTW I'm still Dave and she's still Michelle.

Time for drinks Kyle cause you just got the SMACK DOWN !!!!!!!

Kyle's too busy to drink (though I'm shure he swallows) because he's cross-dressing and posting on the Obama = Socialism thread.

Michelle...5:14pm

Didn't the Beatles sing, "Mi-chelle, my bell..?" You're hot tonight...Great retort!

Can ya' feel it Kyle? Sweetie, can ya' feel it? Hurts worse than that last breakup, doesn't it?

God, I hate to gloat...but it feels so good.....

Wow, someone steps away and has a life and you guys gloat as if it is some victory. Michelle, your Palin wannabe are exactly what you accuse me of, a parroting effort of party talking points. First off, I am sure you meant to say you were happier here when it is a right-wing circle jerk of criticisms of the left. Then Helsing took to my friend Stephanie Miller and I showed up. Second, using a random dollar amount is not verbatim from DU or Kos, it is a fact that insurance companies fluctuate the premiums based on bills paid and what are left as bad debt. If we are able to cover those uninsured through some federal spending, and yes, that mean higher taxes for the top 5%, the majority of folks are content. We claim to the geatest country on earth, but are we? The WHO rates us 37th in health care and France #1. That probably burns you up Michelle!

Further, the cost of war. The CBO report projected costs of Iraq for 10 years, we have been there 6+, and it is now in the budget, which it was not under Bush. Likely Cheney's idea. So, while I mistakenly supported going into Afghanistan, we now witness Obama making the same error by staying. His choice to do this, and include the money allocated in the budget, you guys are a flutter. You are more interested in blowing people up than caring for your fellow Americans.

Your cut paste job on stats was hardly impressive, but I applaud the effort. It is fact that it is the fringe right that legislate and push to block science that could help the afflicted of the illnesses you mentioned.

Dave, as far as the drinks, I had to stomach a hefty tab for your ilk last night. So, your nonsense is just that. I will note, a $77 tab at the Hi-Tone vs Gabbys was more entertaining.

Well when you mess with a cougar like Kyle and Andy do the invariable outcome is a bite!

Just like Andy he has no ability to construct a well thought out position unless some other halfwit on the the Daily Kos gives it to him.

Rowr!!

Where is my next ball of string?

Michelle.....

Wow, was listening to Kyle @ 7:11 pm like a C-section with a fork? Not that you would know. Sorry. OK, it's like having one of my ____ removed with a Pit Bull's teeth. God, what a bad visual! I actually feel sorry for this Omama's boy--I mean, a $77 tab for the good guys and a virtual carbon dioxide lobotomy as he typed.

Wow, someone steps away and has a life and you guys gloat as if it is some victory.

Considering YOU have yet to disprove ANY of the data provided, or do much more that contradict yourself constantly ..... I DO consider it a victory!

Michelle, your Palin wannabe are exactly what you accuse me of, a parroting effort of party talking points.

Well Kyle all you have done so far IS parrot "talking points" taken right from the Daily Kos so that's a pretty weak attempt at another putdown. The POINT and EVIDENCE in regaards to the vile, condecending, dishonesty leveled at conservatives by you communists is blatant in just that one statement.

First off, I am sure you meant to say you were happier here when it is a right-wing circle jerk of criticisms of the left.

Unlike YOU I actually mean what I say. We DONT miss you, we DONT feel you're intelligent, quite the opposite actually, AND we DO get tired of vainly attempting to educate fools like you.

Then Helsing took to my friend Stephanie Miller and I showed up.

I assume then that Stephanie came here and began insulting people just like you did. Van just decided NOT to put up with it, just like the rest of us. Since she probably is as uninformed as you are I'm sure Van enjoyed pointing out how silly her comments were, kinda like how I toy with you.

Second, using a random dollar amount is not verbatim from DU or Kos, it is a fact that insurance companies fluctuate the premiums based on bills paid and what are left as bad debt.

This PROVES how little you know about the insurance idustry. It also contradicts what you said earlier. Do you plan on staying with just one inconsistancy or are you going to keep grasping for new ones?

If we are able to cover those uninsured through some federal spending, and yes, that means higher taxes for the top 5%, the majority of folks are content.

IF you're so interested in providing medical insurance for those who don't have it feel free to PAY FOR IT yourself. Why are so interested in FORCING others to PAY for something you want, or more specifically CLAIM you want. Considering 85% of American are happy with what they have now they are ALREADY content, could you possibly be more cluless?

We claim to the geatest country on earth, but are we?

The sign of a true communist. Blame the county that you're to terified to leave for fear that the idiotic policies you would like to impose on others may be imposed on you. If America is so dismal why do you stay? Why not renounce your citizenship and move someplace else? Ohhh I get it.... NOPLACE else is "good enough" for you so you would rather just ruin this country!!

The WHO rates us 37th in health care and France #1.

Feel free to NAME ONE person that went to France to get medical care. If France was actually as wonderful as the WHO claimed Their leaders and diplomats wouldn't come HERE for medical care dummy. Why would their president come to America for treatment if France was so fantastic?

That probably burns you up Michelle!

Nope! I find it incredibly funny that you're to stupid to know where EVERYONE on earth comes for medical care, oh and it isn't FRANCE or ANY of the top 36 on the WHO list.

Further, the cost of war. The CBO report projected costs of Iraq for 10 years, we have been there 6+, and it is now in the budget, which it was not under Bush.

Actually, it's supplemental spending moron. Iraq and Afganistan are paid for as ADDITIONAL spending items that are NOT in the yearly DOD budget since you aparently have no idea how congressional budgeting is done or scored by the CBO. Oh and just a little FYI, Medicare/Medicaid have increased 500 times their ORIGINAL projections made by the CBO in the 60's when they were started. I would recommend you go learn about the CBO, the OMB, the DOD, and congress before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Likely Cheney's idea.

You sound like the last idiot I dated that was "totally over me" but just couldn't let me go. Do you realize Cheney wasn't the president AND is no longer in office?

So, while I mistakenly supported going into Afghanistan, we now witness Obama making the same error by staying.

So are you saying that all your liberal idols in the communist world who spent eight years claiming that Afganistan was a legitimate war were wrong? Are you saying that Odumbo is wrong? You really should try to keep your story straight. If you were wrong THEN why are you so positive this time? Aparently your decision making ability shouldn't be trusted.

His choice to do this, and include the money allocated in the budget, you guys are a flutter.

As usual this makes no sense. Conservative have NO problem with military spending so long as it is not wasted and takes care of the military properly. It was YOUR side that wanted to CUT military spending throuought the Bush presidency and as usual is CUTTING DEFENSE spending Just like Carter did.

You are more interested in blowing people up than caring for your fellow Americans.

So killing fanatics who want to kill Americans is NOT caring about Americans? Protecting citizens is not protecting them? Do you even realize how idiotic that statement is?

Your cut paste job on stats was hardly impressive, but I applaud the effort.

Gee you sound just like the other moron Andy who get's really upset when someone shows him verifiable data. It's really no suprise you're not impressed by evidence or fact. With your severly low inteligence you wouldn't understand anything that proves how foolish your fantasy beliefs are anyway.

It is fact that it is the fringe right that legislate and push to block science that could help the afflicted of the illnesses you mentioned.

Oh Kyle.... Trying the same old liberal line here won't make it reality. WE both know that's not the truth but feel free to try and PROVE it anyway. I know you can't show ANY evidence of THAT ridiculous claim but take your time and try to if you would like.

Dave, as far as the drinks, I had to stomach a hefty tab for your ilk last night. So, your nonsense is just that. I will note, a $77 tab at the Hi-Tone vs Gabbys was more entertaining.

I'm actually suprised YOU spent your own money instead of FORCING someone else to pay for it. I know how you communists just hate spending money you have on what you want. Even when you attempt to insult someone here it proves how effective capitalism is over socialism and you're not even bright enough to figure it out.

Posted by: Kyle at August 2, 2009 11:50 AM

Klebba, was that supposed to be an answer to my question?

Michelle.....

Are you still alive and kickin' this late...go girl. Me too, but I'm fading. I'm posting my last effort on the newest entry before bed. Looks like Kevin R is moral support. Bless you both. On a later day........

Then Helsing took to my friend Stephanie Miller and I showed up.

Stephanie Miller is a Leftwing talk radio personality whom VH did a short piece on some while back and that is what Kyle referred to. She never posted here. Many times when VH posts something it seems to get immediate attention from the Left and a hit man such as Ghost of Wellstone or some other person gets the word and posts on the article. Ghost of Wellstone, or Kyle Klebba, is one of the very few that keeps on coming back.

She is a "personal friend" though, isn't she Kyle? As are other Lefty friends listed on your facebook. You're up there Kyle, getting the word on what is the Party Line and what to say.

Kylie at August 1, 2009 6:48 PM- "...I will again shortly once I head out for drinks with liberal and conservative friends."

You have friends? Oh... right- "friends". Say no more.

Kylie at August 1, 2009 10:15 PM- "Figured I would give this another shot after cocktails with conservative friends."

"Conservative friends"? You mean they fist, but won't felch?

Chairman S...

This has been a good string..According to Michelle, Kyle is now 'sweetie'. Backtrack and catch up. Have fun. I'm in Seattle late, and off to bed.

Chairman S...

To clarify your meaning at 1:44 pm....Is 'fist' and 'felch' game-speak or gay-speak? One is savvy, the other sick...what do you connote? I'm toast--I'll retrieve answer in a.m.

Stephanie Miller is a Leftwing talk radio personality .....

Posted by: Kevin R at August 3, 2009 12:50 AM

In other words she is a "nobody" and that would explain why I hve no idea who she is or didn't remember the post about her.

Liberals are far to dim to be very memorable.