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July 7, 2009

Open Thread

From The Painter of Pancakes, on a tip from Air2air.

Posted by Van Helsing at July 7, 2009 8:31 AM


LOL! Is Michelle holding a carrot?

Posted by: Judith M. at July 7, 2009 9:27 AM

Fig leaf? I hope that it is pesticide-free.

Posted by: Viking04 at July 7, 2009 9:28 AM

that can't be Michele, her butt is too small

Posted by: blue at July 7, 2009 9:35 AM

You guys love this artist. You can't wait to post his every piece of work. C'mon, you love thinking about naked Obama. You must or you wouldn't give such a bad artist such coverage.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 7, 2009 10:03 AM

Dirty Dave and the Kingdom of Liberal Hypocrisy

DISCLAIMER: Okay, I admit I personally didn’t hear this on Fox News Monday morning but this report comes directly from an authoritative source, the bride. So I think it must be pretty accurate, even if I couldn’t verify it on politically correct Google.

Bob Beckel,he of the snide comment and overflowing paunch, said that had Dave Letterman made comments about a Democratic woman comparable to what he said a few weeks ago about Sarah Palin and her family, he’d be off the air by now.

Somehow, there has been no righteous indignation over that misogynistic funny from Letterman.

Well, Duh! Any conscious or semi-conscious American should know by now that the New York Times prints all the news that fits and the rest of the liberal, lapdog mainstream media follow suit.

It’s baffling that the lib press and the TV networks can’t figure out why Americans have had it up to their earlobes with twisted, biased and censored ”reporting” and have tuned them out.

That’s not really news to conservatives and Republicans but it’s always good to know that the sweet breath of truth occasionally emanates from the mouths of Democratic hacks. Apparently, Beckel immediately realized he had committed a Dem mortal sin by voicing truth and he vainly tried to temper his remarks.

To review: Much has been made of slimy Dave’s risque “joke” about the Palins’ daughter, 14 year old Willow being “knocked up” out in right field during a game at Yankee Stadium. Ol’ Dave tried to defend his pedophiliac remark by saying, after it all hit the fan, that he meant 18 year old Bristol Palin and not Willow.

His reflective thinking was that maligning an 18 year old girl by suggesting she was screwing A-Rod out in right field was fine but that he would never, never I tell you, toss salacious barbs at Willow, despite the fact it was Willow, not Bristol, who had accompanied her mother to the Yankee game on the day in question.

Bristol, well, she’s another matter. She was fair game since she had conceived a child out of wedlock–and gave birth to Brig, rather than aborting him in the liberal fashion. A major plus, indeed the overriding factor for her to be attacked by Dave, she was the child of a Republican conservative.

Such hilarity could never, would never, be directed at Chelsea . . .

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Posted by: Berlet98 at July 7, 2009 10:33 AM

You guys love this artist. You can't wait to post his every piece of work. C'mon, you love thinking about naked Obama. You must or you wouldn't give such a bad artist such coverage.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 7, 2009 10:03 AM

And yet you come crawling out of the woodwork every time VH post a painting of Obamas naked ass.
You're good at one handed typing.

Posted by: T.H. at July 7, 2009 11:05 AM

Just a few of the unintended consequences of govt meddling . Namely , sugar subsidies and tarrifs .
Candy production moves overseas , corn syrup replaces sugar , and every kid will want one of these glucose monitors for their Nintendo .

Posted by: Katya Kakhov at July 7, 2009 11:07 AM

Nice. Another obama dartboard.

Posted by: man of few words at July 7, 2009 11:13 AM

I'm starting to wonder if Lacey is mocking the Obamas...

Posted by: Judith M. at July 7, 2009 11:40 AM

an im thinking the same thing and 5000 POINTS FOR HITTING OBAMAS FACE

Posted by: SPURWING PLOVER at July 7, 2009 11:47 AM

Yawn Berlet....
This is old news, and it was clear he meant Bristol

Posted by: Anonymous at July 7, 2009 11:49 AM

This artist must have real inflated opinion of himself since he signs his paintings with such a huge signature. That Michelle is certainly one large buttocked negro wench.

Posted by: Bryherb at July 7, 2009 11:58 AM

Nah, T.H., we just like laughing at you. And make no mistake, we're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you (and the other Obama worshippers).

Oh yes.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 7, 2009 12:16 PM

Sorry, I meant to direct that to the cleverly named "Anonymous" at 10:03.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 7, 2009 12:17 PM

Ugh that picture is absolutly repulsive their like the KNIGHTS TEMPLARS who were acuialy a bunch of gay freaks

Posted by: Flu-Bird at July 7, 2009 12:34 PM

Al Gore invokes spirit of Churchill in battle against climate change

Al needs to get help. Seriously. He's nuts.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 7, 2009 12:55 PM

Anonypussy @ 10:03 add what jay has posted is this the time you begin smoothing one out? Maybe Van needs to post more of these so that you will have ample time to take care of yourself.

Please remember to wash your peter beaters when finished.

Posted by: Dave at July 7, 2009 1:19 PM

Jay thanks for the link. This guy is a complete embarrassment to my home state. Not only is this dip shit crazy he is also desperate. there is more and more evidence that points to global warming as a hoax. A this is happening he is beginning to loose support and most important....dem dollas.

Posted by: Dave at July 7, 2009 1:25 PM

LOL! Is Michelle holding a carrot?

It's what she uses to lead all the asses with.

Posted by: J at July 7, 2009 2:22 PM

The stupid drive by media has provided 24/7 coverage of a drug addicted pedophile with praise.
Meanwhile, back in reality, 13 of our brave soldiers have been killed since 6-25-09 in Afghanistan during a major offensive against the Taliban.

If Bush were still POTUS do you think the reporting would be different?


God bless our troops and bring them home safe after victory.

Posted by: Dave at July 7, 2009 2:45 PM

Dave, maybe Gore figures we're doomed anyway, and so he might as well contribute some levity to our last days. That would explain his behavior, actually.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 7, 2009 2:48 PM

Could be Jay....he still wants to go out rich.

Posted by: Dave at July 7, 2009 2:49 PM

Sarah Palin to sue Alaskan blogger Shannyn Moore?
This is bothersome on so many levels. One, if someone speculates something, are now accused of defamatory allegations? Moore responds "Sue me! Please!"Second, for a woman that consistently craves attention, she is now upset that she got it? Just think, if she ever does become President we can expect her to quit into just her first term.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 7, 2009 2:55 PM

You know, I wonder if Obama is on the down low, you know, maybe taking it in the rear from George Soros, in between giving BJs to Jeremiah Wright. His whole campaign was probably financed by the Mafia, the Saudis, and of course the CPUSA. He might be molesting his kids, and gone back to using hard drugs, maybe even shooting up heroin. Michelle might be an animatronic tranny, and the whole crew gets its instructions from Moscow on the shortwave every night. He could be under investigation by the FBI as we speak. Secret Service agents might have to knock before entering to make sure they don't catch him praying toward Mecca.

I mean, I'm just speculating, just asking questions here. And in a few more months, Obama will have passed his own record for staying in a job. Can we expect him to run for something else then? Force of habit, and all that? I guess it depends on what Soros orders him to do. We'll find out when Obama does, I guess.

Meanwhile, I'm just speculating. That's cool, right?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 7, 2009 5:13 PM

She was one sad bitch before, and now this is just undeniably disgusting. Yeah, you wanna defend her now? She can't even be bothered to do her damn job.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 7, 2009 5:16 PM

"Maybe Van needs to post more of these"

I'm sure he will. You guys can't get enough paintings of the pres' butt. I'd never heard or seen these dumb ass paintings until I visited here. I'm sure this idiot is thanking you for the coverage.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 7, 2009 5:19 PM

"I'm just speculating. That's cool, right?"

Sure, it gives a pretty clear view of what's going on in your head. THat crazy SF liberal upbringing of yours musta been pretty bad if you can conjure up all these images.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 7, 2009 5:20 PM

I like the picture.....Michelle has a nice ass but I thought she had more junk in the trunk.

What do you think anonypussy?

Posted by: Dave at July 7, 2009 5:39 PM

Except Michelle Obama has the face of a mountain gorilla. The woman in the picture is actually attractive.

False advertising if you ask me.

Posted by: ccoffer at July 7, 2009 5:45 PM

Jay, that was full of insight. I actually find it peculiar that Palin would even consider suing a blogger. This could open doors for Mat, yourself, and God forbid me to be sued. Sarah "Quitter" Palin could be opening doors to ugliness that should not be opened. We are not journalists, we are "speculators" with opinions. Although, like Shannon Moore, I would gladly take the publicity.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at July 7, 2009 6:17 PM

It's always fun to read what the moonbats are told to write.

Posted by: J at July 7, 2009 7:16 PM

Surprise: Arlen Specter is more loyal as a Democrat than as a Republican.

Specter, who faces a serious challenge in a 2010 Democratic primary, has demonstrated a higher level of party unity during his brief time as a Democrat than he did as a Republican.

Posted by: Kevin R at July 7, 2009 7:19 PM

Although, like Shannon Moore, I would gladly take the publicity.

Ah, but would your employer/pimp?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 7, 2009 7:41 PM

THat crazy SF liberal upbringing of yours musta been pretty bad if you can conjure up all these images.

No need to conjure; if you've lived any time in the Bay Area, recall will suffice. No imagination needed.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 7, 2009 7:43 PM

This is John Galt speaking, by William K:

Posted by: Kevin R at July 7, 2009 8:31 PM

I like the picture.

One question though:

Is that artist on drugs when he does those?

I like the picture, but it makes no sense to me.

Posted by: Dirty Mexican at July 7, 2009 9:34 PM

COUGH COUGH COUCGH KKKAAHHHAACCKKK all this tribute to OBAMASES is making ol FLU-BIRD extremly sick im all ready to start ralphing up on the carpet SQUAWK SQUAWK SQUAWK

Posted by: Flu-Bird at July 7, 2009 9:39 PM

You libs are so disingenuous. You attack Palin's CHILDREN in countless, vile ways. You launch a multitude of bogus ethics charges against her, making it impossible for her to do her job and costing her a small fortune. You make up stories out of thin air about her and broadcast them nationally, thereby forcing her to straighten out the confusion that YOU CREATED, and you have the audacity to wonder why she might step down in the best interest of the people she serves?

I never, in my entire life, remember a vice presidential candidate who was harrassed so relentlessly after LOSING a campaign. It is becoming painfully obvious that Democrats fear Palin more than anyone in the world, and your fear is stinking up the place.

Posted by: Judith M. at July 7, 2009 9:42 PM

Judith, give me a break! She brings it on herself, and continually calls the press in order to complain about the press. Now she threatens blogger Shannyn Moore? The people of Alaska will be happy she leaves.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at July 7, 2009 10:01 PM

Posted by: BURNING HOT at July 7, 2009 10:18 PM

Posted by: BURNING HOT at July 7, 2009 10:21 PM

Really GoW? How does she bring on attacks on her children? How does she bring on false ethics charges? How does she make lying pieces of filth like Shannyn Moore fabricate tales out of thin air? The warrantless attacks against began shortly after she was named the VP candidate and have continued uninterrupted since and she has no recourse other than to let her name be besmirched or defend herself. As I see it, as long as people can attack her with baseless accusations without fear of retribution, they will do so because there is no downside to it for them. Maybe if she wins a few of these defamation cases, the lefties will think twice before they libel her for kicks and giggles.

Posted by: Judith M. at July 7, 2009 10:37 PM

President Obamabortion: Turn in Your Consciences!

America’s president breaks new ground virtually every day. Now, his shovel is digging away, chipping away in the ground of that quality which distinguishes people from all other species on the planet, humankind’s sense of conscience.

Many beasts of the Earth are more powerful than humans, many are faster, more ravenous. To PETA people, denizens of the animal world are better than we and maybe more attractive and intelligent than we are. However, as far as I know, even PETA does not attribute to animals the element of conscience.

Merriam-Webster defines the word as “the sense or consciousness of the moral goodness or blameworthiness of one’s own conduct, intentions, or character together with a feeling of obligation to do right or be good.”

In his effort to abort as many pre-born babies as possible, the most avidly pro-abortion president in America’s history is in process of amending that definition. In effect, he is adding to that sense of “moral goodness” and “obligation to do right or be good” the limitation, “except when Mr. Obamabortion dictates otherwise.

Personally, I don’t like “holier than thou” types, professional do-gooders who seek self-agrandizement more than true goodness and I certainly don’t hold myself out as an exemplar of a perfect morality. However, what I truly detest is anyone who seeks to impose no options but evil options on decent people.

Such is the aim of the abortion lobby, Department of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius, and President Obamabortion.

As with most political activists and politicians, they try to cloak their actual intent with ambiguity and obfuscate that intent with misleading rhetoric and false promises.

Thus, when Sec. Sebelius says that the president “supports existing federal laws that prevent federally funded health care providers from forcing doctors and pharmacists who morally oppose abortion from either performing the procedure or providing abortion-inducing medication,” she is out and out lying. . . .

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Posted by: Berlet98 at July 7, 2009 10:50 PM

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Posted by: will at July 7, 2009 11:11 PM

Democrat plant shows up at Tea-Party. The Democrats are so desperate to discredit the movement, their operatives are showing up with phony hate signs.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 8, 2009 4:50 AM

Judith, I get the feeling you want to address David Letterman again regarding his joke on Bristol. She was cleared on 15 out of 16 ethics charges, and is now facing a 17th. If she follows through to sue Shannyn Moore, it will set a precedent that is unheard of. She is a public figure and is fair game as a politician. She repeatedly made accusations about President Obama, all of which turned out to be false. She is wrong on this, and asks for the attention. Further, there is going to be speculation when she does repeated interviews with Greta Van Susteren and Fox, and then Todd attends the WH correspondents dinner with Greta. There is the building company there in Alaska, which we do not know how that will play out. Doing this puts all bloggers, comedians, and commentators in jeopardy. The Tiller family could sue O'Reilly, the Obama's could sue Hannity, Bush could sue Markos Moulistas, Bill Ayers could sue Moonbattery, and on and on. Do we really want the bar set so low Judith? You may dream of going back to wholesome days of "Father Knows Best", but it is 21st Century. Personally, I think she is done other than speaking engagements.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at July 8, 2009 6:42 AM

Ace presents the template for every speech Obama makes in a foreign country.

Greetings great and mighty culture, I am the Obama leader of New America. I am a cultured, urbane, black man with a Muslim name and I carry no baggage.
Your culture is great and wonderful, your poets brilliant, I will now quote one I have never read. Your food wonderful, I will now mention a dish I have never eaten.
Our countries have had issues in the past and they were all the fault of the old America, run by old white men.
Your country has done no wrong and any history of atrocities or rapaciousness or repression was just a reaction to Western meddling I apologize on behalf of the old white men who wronged you.
New America will not judge you, we will not pretend our free culture is better than your backward, tyranny. We just want you to like ... me.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 8, 2009 6:54 AM

Judith, I think one of the reason the attacks on Sarah have been so vicious is because there is a strain of misogyny on the left, and she is an acceptable target for leftist men... like David Letterman and Bill Maher ... who are otherwise forced to repress their misogyny.

There's also a strong stench of left-wing elitism ... people who shop at Wal-Mart have no business in national politics. It's an elite club, and they don't want "her kind" in it.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 8, 2009 6:57 AM

I am not seeing the attacks are necessarily motivated by misogyny, they are motivated by a deranged hatred for conservatism (so well exemplified by the lefties who troll on this forum.) Conservatism is what, to the left, justifies the attack. In their world, it is not only acceptable to hate conservatives, it is encouraged... with all out vitriol. Misogyny, homophobia, racism, theophobia, are part of the arsenal of attacks, but the fact that these weapons are kept so close at hand and are deployed so early in the assault tells you they are closer to the leftist heart than the left is willing to admit.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 8, 2009 7:14 AM

Gregory, I have some serious differences with conservative ideology. My initial post was about Governor Quitter suing a blogger. Caribou Barbie knows it is either time to get off the stage or continue to face her critics in Alaska. She is choosing to retreat. If she continues to threaten journalists and bloggers she will be redefining "frivolous lawsuit". I think it is a bully tactic that could backfire on her. Ms. Moore is a citizen of Alaska with her hand on the pulse of Alaskan politics, I would venture a guess she has more info than us in the lower 48.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at July 8, 2009 7:22 AM

Obama approval index today: MINUS 5.

Strongly approve: 32 %
Strongly disapprove: 37 %

Welcome home, "moderates" and "independents".

Posted by: mega at July 8, 2009 7:58 AM

I think you "Caribou Barbie" scorn machines are going to deeply regret your contemptuous and patronizing attitude toward your political opponents in a year or two. Being flush with victory for a month or two is one thing; carrying on like this for half a year is quite another. You are just inviting a backlash and a bitterness in your political opponents that will be largely of your own making, and entirely unnecessary and without purpose. Have you even noticed that Obama's ratings are plunging and the country is beginning (just beginning, though) to coalesce around the theme that Obama is too much and the country needs to get back to the middle before it's ruined? Or are you really too dense to see that? You are going to need conservatives to work with, and they are going to feel nothing but hate for you after another year of this incessant character assassination.

Posted by: mega at July 8, 2009 8:27 AM

You've it wrong GoW. Sarah isn't suing the bloggers and journalists for frivolous lawsuits, she's suing them for libel. That is still illegal, you know.

The flippant way that liberals participate in character assasination and rarely if ever correct the record speaks volumes about their lack of a moral compass. Robbing someone of their good name is a serious matter and the left engages in that pursuit as if it were a political game.

Posted by: Judith M. at July 8, 2009 8:50 AM

Leftists have no moral compass, Judith. They are driven purely by selfishness.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 8, 2009 9:05 AM

Wellstone, Palin has had dozens of idiotic ethics complaints filed against her. Yet, those aren't frivolous in your esteemed opinion. No, what's frivolous is Palin responding to libel though the court system. It's just a bully tactic, not at all like those honest ethics complaints. And Ms. Moore, being an Alaskan citizen, should essentially be trusted according to you. She has her finger on Alaska's political pulse, right? But Heaven forbid we have similar reverence for Palin's stance, seeing as she was merely the Governor of the state. She is, after all, just a Republican, right?

You are so morbidly stupid that I have trouble figuring out how you're even alive. Your first encounter with a can-opener should've ended you.

Posted by: cowlove at July 8, 2009 9:25 AM

"Your first encounter with a can-opener should've ended you."

That's funny, but if you really find someone so stupid, you'd think responding would be moot. I for one do not respond to Flu Bird ... if GoW is like that, then why bother?

One possibility: that while you disagree, you see some kernels that irk you and need answering.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 8, 2009 10:35 AM

Eh, maybe. It's more that I hold out hope for his someday having a forehead-slap moment after seeing his idiocy outlined for him. Call me an optimist.

Posted by: cowlove at July 8, 2009 12:36 PM

Cowlove and Judith, apparently you don't see the danger in Palin's threats, evidently the stars in your eyes are brighter than hers.

"she's suing them for libel"
Yes it is, but should you wish, take a look at Moore's blog, it's certainly alot less harsh than this one or many others.

Cowlove, if you were involved in Alaskan politics in the manner Shannyn is, I would grant you the same credit. Her repeated offensives, which most have been dismissed is something she must face, but instead she cuts and runs in the middle of her term. If, according to her claims, the media and Letterman brought her and Tawd down, she is in no way cut out to be President. Maybe Mat should take down the Michelle Obama/Cruella Deville comparison post, because endorse the precedent Palin hoping for, it could mean trouble? Hope my Disney knowledge is up to date?

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at July 8, 2009 1:47 PM

Ghost, she's free to bring the suit. The courts can determine if its worth anything, and throw it out if not.

The first and last thing to know about Palin at this point for me is, she couldn't do the job. She quit! Basically because she couldn't handle the game. Won't even finish out her term.

I just read that her resignation has upped her popularity among Republicans (while obviously bringing it even further down among Dems and Independents) Is this true? Does her resignation somehow make her more worthy in your eyes?

If yes, what the hell?!

Posted by: Anonymous at July 8, 2009 1:59 PM

I want to buy Ghost of Wellstone a vibrator, but I'm afraid he might chip his front teeth.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 8, 2009 2:00 PM

Ghost of Wellstone you shit head dildo.

Posted by: Amused as Hell at July 8, 2009 2:08 PM

I took Ghost of Wellstone's sister out for for sea food and she gave me the crabs.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 8, 2009 2:10 PM

Ghost of Wellstone's mother is so fat...When she sits around the she really sits AROUND THE ROOM!

Posted by: Anonymous at July 8, 2009 2:14 PM

GoW, you act like Palin is suing Moore to stop her from blogging. That is nonsense. She is suing her so she stops recklessly making false and defamatory statements (like the claim that she had solid evidence that Palin was being investigated by the FBI for embezzlement).

It's one thing when a blogger posts something that someone else wrote that turns out not to be true, quite another to write something yourself that is false and defamatory as if you had an inside scoop.

Posted by: Judith M. at July 8, 2009 2:26 PM

Who cares about trumped up/faked charges or bullying countersuits. Does the fact that she just up and quit mean nothing?
How does she think she can be a "major party contributor" in the future (I just WONDER what THAT could mean) if she can't stand the heat? What kind of friggin work ethic is this?

Posted by: Anonymous at July 8, 2009 2:37 PM

Judith, the point of blogging is give opinion and/or report on news reported, or comment above like the children did. Where I take issue with Palin on her threat, is what sort of bar she is setting. Her qualifications and my critique aside, this is dangerous ground. We don't exactly know how Moore's building/embezzlement story will pan out. I highly doubt the FBI will is going to come out and say "Oh yeah, we're investigating her". I name yourself as one of the sane on this blog, and while we are worlds apart on perspectives, I would think...since you offer a smart opinion you would want journalists and bloggers protected. This is an issue I separate from ditzy performances and non-use of breath and commas. We are entitled to speculate and joke on the web. That means you, myself, Mat, Jay and even Shannyn. Evidently Shannyn stroke a nerve with Gov. Quitter, but threatening a blogger is a threat to alot of us.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at July 8, 2009 2:47 PM

"she's free to bring the suit. The courts can determine if its worth anything, and throw it out if not."
Anon, point taken. Yet, as I just stated to Judith, it is dangerous territory. She likely now understands how the wolves have felt...

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at July 8, 2009 2:50 PM

I agree with Mega that liberal attempts to tar and feather Palin are backfiring on them. There is a stink of desperation in their incessant attacks and people can sense it.

Do I wish that Palin had handled her resignation differently? I don't know yet, because I haven't heard a full explanation of what made her finally decide that stepping down was in the best interest of her constituents.

Camille Paglia had an interesting comment on Palin with which I agree. She says that part of Palin's charm is she's not stage-managed, she's a real person and the public feels a connection with her and they understand that she and her family have been mercilessly hammered (unjustly) for over a year on the national stage. Palin could benefit from a top notch PR team, but honestly, it really stinks that the media has done a full cavity search on her and her family when they don't even care that Obama has given the names of two different hospitals in Hawaii as the place of his birth.

Posted by: Judith M. at July 8, 2009 3:08 PM

Judith, being on the national stage in politics is part of the game. Aside from Letterman's jokes, the family attacks have been pointless (Dave's were jokes). But, again you are misfiring on my concerns over threats to a blogger with critique of her. Maybe the "point guard" knows whats going on? As I said, she resigns, then calls the press to complain about the press. She is an attention seeker, and will miss it, though I still believe she is done.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at July 8, 2009 3:31 PM

Back to the birth certificate. Ugh Gawd. Talk about stink of desperation. I'll have to admit that if someone asked me, I wouldn't know the name of the hospital I was born in, only the city and state.

I agree that Palin's appeal is her un-polished aw-shucks I'm-just-like-you attitude. Its both her appeal and part of her image downfall. A PR team might only ruin the wholesomeness you guys like about her, and still make her no more marketable to someone like me.

"because I haven't heard a full explanation of what made her finally decide that stepping down was in the best interest of her constituents."

You're right there. Her speech was so rambling and didn't address the reasons she was quitting. The most reasonable thing she put forward was that defending from attacks was taking up her time and keeping her from doing her job.

Of course in the very next breath she talks about a work ethic and how we shouldn't just give up when things get tough but that we should "hunker down" and work hard. So ... where's the hard work? If you really want to run for a higher office, is this how you prove yourself?

Posted by: Anonymous at July 8, 2009 3:37 PM

Cowlove, if you were involved in Alaskan politics in the manner Shannyn is, I would grant you the same credit.

Former governor Palin is Alaskan politics, you simpleton, at least for the time being. Whatever some half-wit you're annoyingly on a first name basis with has to say notwithstanding, I'm not asking for any credit here. I'm saying you, and her, and the ethics complaints are nothing but stinking BS. In fact, you agree:

Her repeated offensives, which most have been dismissed is something she must face, but instead she cuts and runs in the middle of her term.

"Her repeated offenses, which most have been dismissed..." They're not offenses if they've been dismissed. They're what we without blinders call "repeated harassment," in the form of the very same bully tactics you were in a huff about earlier. To be fair, I do remember her being reprimanded at one point. Something about per diem meals or travel or something. Refresh me.

I'll be honest, Palin is not the huge deal to me that she obviously is to you. She personifies a lot that is idealistic of conservatism, but I never saw her as Presidential material. I have to concede that some vicious attacks and missteps on her part fixed that. I can't say that I ever really saw her running, but that's beside the point as well.

She probably shouldn't have quit, in my opinion, and I don't buy her reasoning. And you (Ghost of Wellstone) are an asshat.

Posted by: cowlove at July 8, 2009 5:00 PM

Asshat?? Aww you guessed my nickname...
Sorry Palin is not very important to me, but her threats are. I also find it astonishing for you to endorse her suing bloggers? My defense is for everyone of us, and Cowlove that includes you. I will repeat it again, SHE IS SETTING A BAD PRECEDENT. One can only hope her career in politics is being thrown to the wolves.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at July 8, 2009 5:51 PM

You're not doing yourself any favors GoW by continuing to bring up Letterman. Maybe he meant the other daughter and maybe she's fair game, but we should strive to draw a line for decency, and he struck a nerve and crossed the line. You sound like you're defending him. knock it off.

I don't believe cowlove said he endorsed anything like that. Are you purposefully misunderstanding? She's not the one setting any kind of precedent. The courts can only do so by how they treat the case.

I think that's the one thing her team is doing right. If the fight gets dirty, and the other side starts it, by all means roll up your sleeves and kick some ass, bring a suit, whatever. But resign? That's crappy.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 8, 2009 6:19 PM

Anon, I know where you are on the Letterman stuff, and I agree with you. But since Judith alluded to him earlier I will take the heat. As a public figure she is setting the precedent for lawsuits to be acceptable against bloggers. It is up to the courts and a jury to find liability. That said, her resignation was a joke. If the point guard passes, he/she doesn't leave the court. She may rebound from this and be a viable candidate someday, but the impression she is leaving with quitting, threatening, and full court nonsense make her a star on the right, and a bigger joke on the left. Throwing out a threat to a blogger from Alaska makes that 80% to 54% look reasonable. My concern is, should bloggers be held accountable for following rumors and speculating on the best/worse scenario? No, and I believe that thought applies to both Conservative and Liberal bloggers.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at July 8, 2009 6:48 PM

If she's hypothetically doing the worst of what I understand you to be saying, then she's bringing a case mostly to bring heat on her attackers to get them to back the hell off. Then the worst crime thing she's maybe done is waste some court time.

"should bloggers be held accountable for following rumors and speculating on the best/worse scenario?"

Now that's a great question. The blogging thing is so new. I'm not familiar with the Alaskan blogger in this case, but the answer to that depends on a lot. If she is a professional blogger and her stuff is purportedly hard news and not opinion, and she has a large audience. If that person takes rumors, half-truths or flat out lies and reports them as true (from an "unnamed source", of course)then yeah, some responsibility should come with all that.

Again for the court to decide if it goes forward. People file illegitimate cases all the time. It does waste time, but the judges also remember that person's name next time it comes accross their desk, and they have less credibility with the court.

I hope she's done, but reading that this elevates her status on the right was troubling to me.

She's likely just throwing up a sheild as she ducks out of office. If she really does want to be finished with politics and just protect her family, then its probably the best move, and I don't blame her. If she wants to continue, she should have finished.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 8, 2009 7:47 PM

Anon, Obama has publicly claimed to have been born in two different hospitals. Don't you find that the least bit strange. And I know damn well which hospital I was born in even though we moved from that state when I was four years old. Sorry, I find it more than odd that the President doesn't know where he was born. Of course, he also didn't remember where he met his wife, so maybe he has a degenerative brain disorder and I should be more kind.

Posted by: Judith M. at July 8, 2009 9:34 PM

GoW you keep glossing over what a serious libel Shannyn Moore launched against Palin. She claimed Palin was going to be charged with embezzlement and Moore clearly pulled that out from her derriere. Should Ms. Moore, who BTW, is often interviewed on Alaskan Radio and TV, be allowed to damage a person's reputation knowing full well that she has no evidence to support her defamatory claims? If Ms. Moore's comments were merely insulting or irreverant you might have a point, but she accused Palin of a serious crime with no evidence to back up her accusation whatsoever. That was reckless and injurious and I think she should receive a hefty fine to remind her that defaming politicians you don't like with false accusations of criminal wrong-doing is not a harmless pasttime.

Posted by: Judith M. at July 8, 2009 9:54 PM

Cannot unsee...

Posted by: Narrator 1 at July 8, 2009 11:48 PM

Wellstone, you don't even understand what you're saying. On one hand, you want her to fight her accusers because quitting is shameful; on the other hand, you don't want her to seek a solution for her grievances through the court and address the libelous attacks against her. Apparently that would be scary precedent, or something, and I should be worried about it as well, or something.

I'll say again that she shouldn't have quit, and she should also take this half-wit Moore to task and sue the crap out of her. I know you're quick to pass judgement even while acknowledging that your judgement is abjectly idiotic (refer to: "Her repeated offenses, which most have been dismissed...") but maybe we should let people who actually have half a clue judge the merits of her legal stance.

Posted by: cowlove at July 9, 2009 5:46 AM

Lol Cowlove! Sorry I mis-spoke on repeated. If you are an elected official you better have some thick
skin. She is a quitter and wants to sue a blogger? Who's story still may come true. Get over it! If she plans to fight accusers she best make it realistic, and picking a fight with a radio commentator and blogger is garbage.

Posted by: Ghost of Wellstone at July 9, 2009 11:59 AM

No, idiot, you continued to refer to charges that were admittedly dismissed as "offenses."

You're obviously struggling to be coherent here, so I'll withhold future comments until you manage to string a couple lucid sentences together.

Still though, it's amusing to note how hung up you are on Palin. You want whatever this partisan hack is saying about Palin to be true so badly that you're willing to accept it at face value. You top your pathetic self at every turn.

Posted by: cowlove at July 9, 2009 12:52 PM

For fuck sake just can't get off of Palin can you? What are you diverting attention because your Messiah is beginning to SLIDE in the approval rating. Maybe you are so fucking narrow mined that this is all you can talk about. You sound like a broken record. You are a troll worth not feeding...dipshit.

Posted by: Dave at July 9, 2009 1:43 PM