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July 29, 2009

Obama's Science Czar: Babies Aren't Human Until They've Been Socialized

A large part of the horror of abortion lies in the monstrous presumption of liberals declaring that human life begins not at conception, but whenever they say it does. Maybe that's six weeks, maybe six months. Maybe it's years. Obama's Science Czar John Holdren (the guy who wanted to put a sterilizing agent in our drinking water) gives us an idea of how slippery this slope can get. From his book Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions, via Patterico's Pontifications:

The fetus, given the opportunity to develop properly before birth, and given the essential early socializing experiences and sufficient nourishing food during the crucial early years after birth, will ultimately develop into a human being.

We knew that human fetuses aren't human, according to liberal ideology. Now we learn that they remain nonhuman even after they are born, until such a time as priests of The State like Holdren deem them to have been sufficiently socialized.

Genocide has long been used by progressives to advance their objectives. Violating his pact with Stalin put Hitler out of favor, but Margaret Sanger — who openly advocated industrial-scale abortion as a form of social engineering — is still a hero to our rulers.

If they can kill babies, who wouldn't they kill? Their only restraint is their squeamishness, which they overcome with bogus euphemisms (CHOICE!) and by yelling inane bumper sticker slogans (SAFE LEGAL AND RARE!) loudly enough to drown out thought. Once you turn against God, conscience isn't a factor.

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Still not human.

On a tip from V the K.

Posted by Van Helsing at July 29, 2009 9:17 AM

Comments

If they can kill babies, who wouldn't they kill?

Sadly, this is entirely correct.

I start from the premise that we should not kill babies in the womb. If someone can't agree with me on that premise, there is nothing we can agree on, ever.

Posted by: cowlove at July 29, 2009 9:29 AM

What exactly do they mean by "socializing experiences?" If it means "having been brainwashed by libtards" then I fear I may not be human.

Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at July 29, 2009 9:35 AM

How did the American people become so dissipated that we have put monsters in charge of our government?

Posted by: single stack at July 29, 2009 9:37 AM

makes you want to take a scalding shower.

Posted by: weewilly at July 29, 2009 9:48 AM

Don't worry. Anonymous will be along directly to call us all names and use cute internet lingo like 111!!!Eleventy!!!

In 3,2,1...

Posted by: fugazi at July 29, 2009 9:52 AM

"Once you turn against God, conscience isn't a factor."

Well said, VH. I have long believed that the Democrat party has to have Christianity disappear from this country in order for their full agenda to unravel. With the growing secularization in this country it is apparent they are succeeding.

Posted by: Travis at July 29, 2009 9:52 AM

the horror of abortion lies in the monstrous presumption of liberals declaring that human life begins not at conception, but whenever they say it does.

Once P-BO forces his healthcare plan on us, they'll also presume to decide for many when life will end. Dr. Mengela would be so proud.

Once you turn against God, conscience isn't a factor.

Amen!

Posted by: Kanaka Girl at July 29, 2009 10:22 AM

The Nazis dehumanised the Jews they wanted to eradicate from the planet, too.

Its the oldest trick in the book, dehumanise the enemy, so its okay to kill them with a clear conscience.

Posted by: Jeffery Wright at July 29, 2009 10:48 AM

So if socialization is a benchmark for becoming a human being then can it not be argued that killing the mentally-challenged is merely post-natal abortion? Perfectly moral to a mangled liberal mind not realizing that they are but mentally-challenged themselves.

Posted by: IOpian at July 29, 2009 10:50 AM

I've edited his hypothesis a bit and made it a more realistic:

The fetus ... immediately abandoned by his father and moved around to third-world countries by his fellow-traveler mother, given the early "socializing" experiences in secular humanism, multiculturalism, racial-identity politics, pro-abortionism, radical feminism, community activism, enviromentalism, homosexuality, statism, atheism, Black-liberation theology, and a host of other socio-pathologies, and after injesting sufficient marijuana, coke and nicotine during the crucial formative years after birth, will likely develop into the 44th president of the United States.

Posted by: Clingtomyguns at July 29, 2009 10:58 AM

Jesus! How can monsters like this be in our government? It's like a horror story!

Posted by: Karin at July 29, 2009 11:35 AM

Listening too much to blabbering nit-wits like PAUL EHRLICH and this POPULATION BOMB bull kaka

Posted by: SPURWING PLOVER at July 29, 2009 11:37 AM

I think this is great news. We finally know where the mulatto mendacitys pay grade really is.

Posted by: Eric at July 29, 2009 11:44 AM

What exactly do they mean by "socializing experiences?" If it means "having been brainwashed by libtards" then I fear I may not be human.
Posted by: AmericanToTheCore at July 29, 2009 9:35 AM

That is precisely what it means

Posted by: V the K at July 29, 2009 11:55 AM

The LSD produced children of the 60's have now made it all the way to the White House staff. I'm hoping that one day soon HE can be declared "human"....but, I have my doubts.

Posted by: Dell at July 29, 2009 12:08 PM

Mine is if you can't get pregnant, carry it to turn, give birth to it naturally(oh, man if only a man could) you do not have an opinion worthy of consideration.

Posted by: Joane at July 29, 2009 1:42 PM

You don't have to cross the Atlantic to Germany. Stay home. Native americans. Black people. Dehumanize. Spare me your righteous indignation. You are the worse kind of hypocrite. You lynched, burned, disenfranchised with joyful glee and guess what? They were here already and not in uteuro. Life begins when life begins. When a young girl develops in the womb of her mother she has all her eggs at birth. Yet, what someone decides is their business, not yours. If you would mind your own, maybe we would have a better world.

Posted by: Joane at July 29, 2009 1:49 PM

This is right out of Nazi Germany's medical program.

Posted by: David at July 29, 2009 1:50 PM

If we are not truly human until we are sufficiently socialized, is it OK to kill (I meant retroactively abort) conservatives?

Posted by: Tahoe Conservative at July 29, 2009 1:55 PM

Joane:
At what stage of life does the baby acquire the right to live?

Posted by: Jim at July 29, 2009 2:05 PM

Hey Clingtomyguns at 10:58 AM,

Throw in some monosodium glutamate and a little high fructose corn syrup and I think you've got yourself a big jar of moonbat sauce.

*burp*

Posted by: slim at July 29, 2009 2:09 PM

Mine is if you can't get pregnant, carry it to turn, give birth to it naturally(oh, man if only a man could) you do not have an opinion worthy of consideration.

Posted by: Joane at July 29, 2009 1:42 PM

Ahhh yes, you knew it was only a matter of time before Rosie checked in. Don't worry, no man, not even a liberal one, is going to get you pregnant, rosie.

Posted by: Right0fReagan at July 29, 2009 2:13 PM

They kill babies and old people because they are the helpless - you don't think a stinking hippie would pick on someome able to fight back do you?

Posted by: TED at July 29, 2009 2:35 PM

Ted:

Not all us old geezers are helpless. What the "enlightened" haven't figured out yet is that we're the same old geezers that waded ashore in the midst of machine gun fire and if that didn't scare us then these panty waisted little twerps don't stand a chance of intimidating us. Word!

Posted by: FreeWillie at July 29, 2009 3:08 PM

I think the question of when life begins is a fallacy. Life began billions of years ago. Since then the chain is unbroken. Living things pass their life to their offspring using a living sperm and living egg. Nowhere in the process is anything 'not living' but rather only in a stage of all of the stages living things go through until they cease to live.

If what is meant is when does a new human begin then that happens once the DNA of the sperm begins to combine with that of the egg. After that the first cellular division marks the point where this being created is distinctly human from it's DNA. This is a new human completing the first stage of many transformations it will go through during its life. A fetus is far more similar physically to an infant than a new born is to a elderly human. Just because they are out of sight does not mean you can put them out of mind morally.

Now the most moral solution is never letting the DNA of the sperm and that of the egg coming into contact. After that you have to willfully plan and cause the death of a human being to end that branch of life. In the common sense world we call this murder. No specification on the size of the victim. But the more defenseless the victim, the more amoral it is.

What one 'feels' is no more than opinion and does not change the facts.

Posted by: IOpian at July 29, 2009 3:23 PM

Prayers on the way for Joane (whether she wants them or not).

IOpian -- "Now the most moral solution is never letting the DNA of the sperm and that of the egg coming into contact".

If you're talking about artificial birth-control, it's worth investigating the connections between birth-control and abortion. Research shows that there are clear and obvious organic links between the two. In addition, the personal and social acceptance of birth-control is linked to increases in conjugal infidelity, divorce, family breakdown, wife and child abuse, venereal disease, out of wedlock births, the objectification of women, viewing fertility as a weakness or 'infection' requiring technological treatment (and therefore a dependence on the very tools we rely upon for our sexual 'liberation'), releasing males from the burdens and responsibilities of sexual aggression, and cultural engineering via the state. Overall, artificial birth-control is far more binding than liberating and results in a general lowering of morality. Bottom line: artificial birth-control causes abortion.

"But the more defenseless the victim, the amoral it is". Maybe I'm misreading this, but did you mean to say 'immoral'?

Posted by: lvb-rocks at July 29, 2009 4:53 PM

"Mine is if you can't get pregnant, carry it to turn, give birth to it naturally(oh, man if only a man could) you do not have an opinion worthy of consideration."

Why should the opinion of the mother matter then? You certainly don't care about the father that has to provide for both of them. Both are tangential in importance to the child, who should be the real focus of the abortion debate.

"If you're talking about artificial birth-control, it's worth investigating the connections between birth-control and abortion. Research shows that there are clear and obvious organic links between the two. [...] Overall, artificial birth-control is far more binding than liberating and results in a general lowering of morality. Bottom line: artificial birth-control causes abortion."

I agree; abortion is the symptom, not the cause here, and birth control is the enabler, not the cure in this situation. The real problem is the lack of respect for sex from the act itself to the fruits that it produces.

Posted by: Arthur at July 29, 2009 6:16 PM

Joane said :"You don't have to cross the Atlantic to Germany. Stay home. Native americans. Black people. Dehumanize. Spare me your righteous indignation. You are the worse kind of hypocrite. You lynched, burned, disenfranchised with joyful glee and guess what?"

Wow, Joane, I did not realize the writer of this article was old enough to have waged war on Native Americans. What is the writer like 135 years old?

Posted by: J.B. at July 29, 2009 9:09 PM

The trouble w/ all of you that claim to oppose this polemic is that (those like the subject of this post) in this new order are willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish their goals. You simply are not willing to make an effort to accomplish anything of value. You are fat and lazy. Your minds work slowly. We are not afraid of you. You are of no consequence to us. We will have our way and you will do nothing to stop us. Losers.

Posted by: fred at July 29, 2009 9:35 PM

Green moonbats think having kids is a offense to GAIA their pagan deity they worship

Posted by: Flu-Bird at July 29, 2009 11:41 PM

I Believe in Post Natal abortion for moonbats because no matter how old they get, no matter how socialized they are, they never quite make it to the status of Human.

Posted by: grayjohn at July 30, 2009 4:09 AM

Joane:
Mine is if you can't get pregnant, carry it to turn, give birth to it naturally(oh, man if only a man could) you do not have an opinion worthy of consideration.

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I tire of this rubbish argument (much like your poor spelling). The truth is that women who have had an abortion have a vested interest in supporting it since the alternative paints them black. Therefore in consideration of opinions that are 'worthy', post-abortive women are PRECISELY the ones who are most likely to be unreliable. Except some women wake up, and their testimony is always interesting, eh?

Posted by: Stephan at July 30, 2009 1:47 PM

I remember back in 1997 reading an Op-ed piece in the NY Slimes by this very same nuanced, sophisticated,progressive,intellectual claiming only the birth mother instinctually knows whether her offspring should be allowed to survive and that she be give 30 days to determine its fate! It occurred to me almost instantly that while I cherished the big box policy (Best Buy, Staples, etc.) of being able to return my tv's, computers, stereo's, etc. withing 30 days for a full cash refund....no questions asked...now a human infink, as Popeye might say...you're in serious danger of risking my fisk, Mr. Impotent Intelleckshuall!

Posted by: Morris at July 30, 2009 2:32 PM

One funny thing about the pro choice creedo of the extreme left is this. In general the idea of private property is a horror to them. Afterall it is what dispossessed the indigenous people of their land (of course that isnt true, but it is to the conservatively challenged) We have all heard of the evils of private property from the lobotomized Marx Moonies.
But the idea of private property is quite handy for them in their habdling of abortion issues. It is a womans body to do with what she wants. She owns it. Funny I though people shouldnt own other people, no matter how old they are. At leats conservatives keep the notion of private property to inanimate objects like dirt and stuff and have sworn off slavery and the murdering of slaves long long ago.
Also their reasoning sometimes goes, people who "should have been aborted" grow up to be criminals, thereby creating a drain on resources of society or damaging and stealing others private property. Another materialistic arguement.
Is it me or are people who reason like this not only incredibly hippocritical but also incapable of "linear thought man".

Posted by: Orlando the Young Mexican at August 1, 2009 1:42 AM

What a sexist hate comment that was!



RE: "Mine is if you can't get pregnant, carry it to turn, give birth to it naturally(oh, man if only a man could) you do not have an opinion worthy of consideration."



Consider this, woman, HALF the babies killed by women are boy babies. Speaking as a male who was also once in the womb, that fully entitles me to try and stop genocide based on the sex of a child. And speaking as a father, any child of mine in the womb of my wife is also my responsibility too. Half her DNA and half mine. Nine months in the womb does not make a child 100% "property" of the mother. Twenty one years (or more) and a lifetime of love is a SHARED responsibility for both man and woman.



Oh how you would scream if a man decided to kill a baby of yours, but you say a man has no voice in your decision to kill his child!?



It's time for both men AND women to stand up to the Feminazis. When you hear the "men can't talk about abortion" claim, challenge it and do not let it pass.



Posted by: TimeToPlay TheirGame at August 2, 2009 3:14 PM