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Carbon footprint: Mark of the Beast?

The belief that our planet is [warmed] by water vapor, is a BOLD FACED LIE.

Without this greenhouse gas, water vapor, our planet would not be Green. It would bake Brown. Water and it's vapor cools and nourishes our planet. Humidity is a way for the planet to cool itself, though the evaporation of [water]. Car cooling systems use water to cool an engine, not warm it.

You see, water is an excellent conductor of electricity (not insulator). It is also an excellent conveyer of other forms of energy, like heat. It quickly dissipates heat, creating a cooling effect, not warming.

The air above deserts is very arid (lacking moisture), yet the temperatures are hottest in these arid areas. What does this mean? O2 and N2 molecules are warmed without CO2 or water vapor.

However, the water vapor in the northeast has been keeping temperatures more springlike for the past month. Why?

Water, and it's vapor, is a cooling agent.

During the campaign, people who said Obama was a socialist were ridiculed as paranoid, and the notion that his administration would nationalize industries and impose draconian regulations on people's lives was dismissed as absurd.

Yet, under his Crap and Trade bill, the government has the authority to energy audit every private home in America.

Isnt this the same jerk who wrote the book ASSUALT ON REASON when he is one of the most unreasonible persons around as well as being a hypotcrit and all around liar HE REALY NEEDS A KICK IN THE REAR

this just in: ALGORE reports that global warming killed Michael Jackson

It's hard to sell armageddon global warming to people like me who are in long pants and jackets and turtlenecks on the 4th of July, and still as pale as ghosts. No frolicking on the beaches, just shivering at a teaparty.....

"Al Gore has validated Godwin's Law"

You guys crack me up. You daily validate this law, and absolutely love your Nazi comparisons. The one thing I will give him is at least he's not calling any people Nazis. Just the weather. Now that is funny.

The reason water cools and engine is that its at a lower temperature - any fluid or gas that has a lower temp would cool and engine. Freon is one. So that argument is just plain stupid.

All you need as proof that water vapor keeps the Earth warm is take a summer night with low humidity (low water vapor) and compare it to one with high humidity (high water vapor). The water vapor acts a blanket keeping temperatures higher. Anyone who slept thru a hot humid summer night without air conditioning can testify to that fact. On humid nights the temps rarely fall below 65-70. But on days like this morning here in Pennsylvania, the temps bottomed out at 51 overnight. As for deserts, on a low humidity day it can get mighty cold. Not so much during the monsoon season when humidity can be a killer. Water vapor is not evenly distributed, silly Gorebot.

Karin - THAT is what I call a crisis.

With low humidity, as in the desert, temperatures from night to day vary more than they do with high humidity. Daytime temperatures in the desert can be scorchingly high, while nighttime temperatures are bone-chillingly cold. The water in the air gives it a higher thermal mass, which causes temperature to change more slowly.

The thing is the change, though. "Climate change" is the accumulation of differences between inputs and exhausts over time. The debate is, or should be, whether human-induced changes are significant enough to throw off the balance one way or the other, presumably with catastrophic effect. The models being used are in no way sufficient to determine this well enough to define policy. For example, they ignore the radiance of the sun proportional to the sunspot cycle. The AGW priests are simply the latest incarnation of inernational communists attempting to overthrow capitalism.

Is there no end to the hubris of these idiots? Now they are going to limit temperature increases all on their own. Never mind the temperatures over the last 10 years has declined close to 1 degree despite increasing CO2 levels.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/g8_summit

"White House officials confirmed that Obama agreed to language supporting a goal of keeping the world's average temperature from rising more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit)."

The former US Vice-President accused governments around the world of exploiting ignorance.....
That's a pretty funny statement coming from a former sleazoid politician. Wow...Lol, and some pretty heavy critical thinking on Al's part. But...why is it not the same thing when he's exploiting ignorance buy selling his brand of snake oil? Ahhh...I forgot, it's not exploitation when he does it.

"White House officials confirmed that Obama agreed to language supporting a goal of keeping the world's average temperature from rising more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit)."

Posted by: Al Whore at July 8, 2009 12:37 PM

If this is anything like their promise that unemployment wouldn't go over 8% if they passed the porkulus bill, they will fail miserably. Failing is one thing Obama's good at it seems.

by the way, has anyone seen ManBearPig?

Has anyone noticed that Bernie Madoff and Al Gore are never seen together?

This is no coincidence.

Let's see, he told us that in five years the ice caps will be melted. That was about a year ago so we should be roughly 20% into this meltdown. If true then 20% is a rather significant amount and data would show if his calculations were correct. Haven't heard anything supporting his warning. However I did read today that perhaps sunspots are coming back so it may indeed trend towards a natural cyclic warming.

It would be interesting to see someone sue him for fraud and have him defend his data in open court before a jury of his peers. Of course in his mind he has no peers.

Without this greenhouse gas, water vapor, our planet would not be Green. It would bake Brown. Water and it's vapor cools and nourishes our planet. Humidity is a way for the planet to cool itself, though the evaporation of [water]. Car cooling systems use water to cool an engine, not warm it.

You see, water is an excellent conductor of electricity (not insulator). It is also an excellent conveyer of other forms of energy, like heat. It quickly dissipates heat, creating a cooling effect, not warming.

I don’t have time to teach you basic thermodynamics, but here’s a hint: since energy is conserved (First Law of Thermodynamics), and heat is a form of energy (molecular motion), within a closed system if one object is cooled, another has to be warmed. You’re confusing entropy (dissipation of heat) and temperature with enthalpy/energy (total amount of heat). Pour a liter of boiling water into the ocean: there is no change whatever in heat, but there is in temperature (not the same thing as heat), and in entropy (the ability of that boiling water to do work, such as powering a steam engine, is diminished by dilution).

"Global" Al Gore, wants to take our money, and our freedoms to use energy by paying surtaxes and surcharges to the government, the U.N. and to Al Gore's companies is the best comparison of Nazi behavior we have ever seen!

Nothing like having to pay something for nothing! What a deal! Carbon credits for hard earned cash to plant trees! I think we can handle that ourselves..everybody plant a tree for the tree huggers today!

Anonymous and anyone else…

Global warming (per se) is a massive pseudo-religious HOAX!

The only thing ‘Nazi-like’ is the constant, unfailing, mind-boggling, no-questions-asked willingness of the Left to fall into a lemming-like LOCKSTEP with anything Obama says…! Is this a frickin’ religion or what?

Where the hell has reason, logic, or plain common sense gone? You can’t disagree with ONE SINGLE THING this guy says or does. You used to seem intelligent to me Anonymous, but I’ve determined you are a “yes man” who is incapable of independent thought. If Obama gave you a gerbil and said it was a fish, you’d take it home, fillet it, and saute it in lemon butter! Where is the inquiring mind? Where is the intense study of fact to bolster your opinion? Where is the search for wisdom? Where is your pride man?

I mentioned this before, but when I was in the sixth grade I knew that the Mississippi Delta was created by glaciers…………I guess it had to warm up a bit to melt those huh? And how do you think that plant DNA deep below the surface of Greenland got there? ObaMagic?

It doesn’t matter the issue, the person, the threat, the outcome, or the history…Obama gets a free pass…and so does this global warming crap!

Go to www.globalwarmingheartland.org/ and look on the left side at “Climate Change Reconsidered…..” Just the latest in a LONG list of facts and truths you argumentative, accusatory, emotional blind men won’t see.

Hey VH, can you remind the people that called me troll and such where I'm coming from. I'm no liberal.

Thanks

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 8, 2009 1:26 PM

Also, there are 3 different means by which heat is transferred. This is always hammered into you when you go to firefighting school. There is radiant heat transference, there is conductive heat transference and then there is convective heat transference.

1. Radiant
2. Conductive
3. Convective

I'd always thought that greenhouse gases work by radiant transference. Don't they calculate the cumulative greenhouse effect by calculating the radiant properties of the various greenhouse gases, with no regard to conductive mechanisms? In fact, isn't it the radiant properties of the gases which makes them by definition "greenhouse gases?" That's what I'd always thought.

Water cooled engines work by conductive heat transference, RICH, with the radiator actually working as a means of convective heat transference.

You know what would be funny, is if we were to find out that RICH is actually Al Gore.

Alpha, I wasn't engaging on the issue of global-whatchamacallit-warming-change, as we'll probably never agree on that.

The only thing I was pointing out (very light heartedly I might add) is that the Nazi comparison (a word he doesn't even use here, but really only makes connotation to) is something that you all do daily.

I will say that I've checked out a couple of the counter-sites I've been pointed to before from you and your fellows here and haven't found them at all convincing. Often the "Nobel Prize Winners" that are quoted are in unrelated (although yes, scientific) fields, or when I go to the source article, I see that this or that scientist's comments have been significantly skewed by the way they have been edited when quoted here.

I am by no means a purist on the topic. I don't claim to definitively know either way. I can really only read what others have written and apply my common sense to the topic, which leads me to the conclusion that the effects are quite likely (although slow moving)

I still have plenty of work to do today, but will try to check out your heartland link when I get home.

PS - For the record, I am not "in lockstep" with anyone, and last time someone tried a Jedi mind trick on me, I still didn't mistake a gerbil for a fish. While I can get as emotional and argumentative as the next guy over topics I believe in, I try hard to stay as open to the truth as I can be. You should too.

You guys crack me up. You daily validate this law, and absolutely love your Nazi comparisons.

We learned from eight years of your side calling us Nazis, Larry.

I can confirm that Vonster is not a troll. He's been reading for years, and his blog is on the blogroll:
http://www.vonster.blogspot.com/

"We learned from eight years of your side calling us Nazis, Larry."

Oh for God's sake. How about: nah nah nah nah!

Or better yet, how could you learn anything from "libertard" we're positively "moonbatty"!

PS - If anyone has been calling Republicans Nazis anywhere except dumb ass bloggers, its news to me, and can't be held responsible for leftist hotheads any more than you can be held accountable for Hannity drivel.

All you and I are responsible for is what we say ourselves, and our stance on what others say. Calling people Nazis is, like, totally middle school dude. I don't do it. You're free to, but it seems weak.

Larry,

Sorry, you can't simply dismiss the bullshit that the left has been shoveling during the Bush administration. I'm guessing you didn't speak up when your fellow drones were making fascist jokes over the years, so you'll pardon us if we laugh at your feeble objections now.

Yeah, yeah.

Al Whore,

"any fluid or gas that has a lower temp would cool and engine. So that argument is just plain stupid."

Not exactly, stupid. Some engines are air cooled, and some are water cooled. I encourage you to drain the coolant from your engine and drive around, letting only gas (O2, N2) cool it. Good luck :)

"The water vapor acts a blanket keeping temperatures higher."

No, it makes the temperature "feel" higher. Look up heat index.

Mr. Evilwrench,

"Daytime temperatures in the desert can be scorchingly high"

Not if water vapor is present.

Jay Guevara,

"within a closed system if one object is cooled, another has to be warmed."

All of the systems on Earth are classified as open systems. Our atmosphere is, for all intent and purpose, warmer near the surface, and cooler away from it. In other words, most of our atmosphere (including CO2) is cooler compared to the earth's near surface.

1. Heat always rises.

2. Heat is transferred from warm to cold. NOT the reverse.

Question: How can HEAT naturally transfer from an upper level [cold] molecule to a nearer surface [warm] molecule? Wouldn't that defy the second law of thermodynamics?

The basis for GHG theory, is that water and it's vapor (major GHG) warms our planet. I disagree and just presented an arguement that water vapor, may be neither a warming agent or a cooling one.

Example:

Without sufficient heat, a fire cannot begin, and it cannot continue. Heat can be removed by dousing with water; the water turns to steam taking the heat with it.

Without sufficient Oxygen, a fire cannot begin, and it cannot continue. With a decreased oxygen concentration (fire extinguishers use CO2) the combustion velocity gets lower.

CO2 and water vapor are [products] of warming, not [producers] of it.

And gravity is also manmade.

Mean 'ole Mr. Gravity! :-(

Nazis used lies and propaganda to gain power in order to control people's lives. It seems that Al is projecting.

Nazis used lies and propaganda to gain power in order to control people's lives. It seems that Al is projecting.

I like this Anonymous. This one should be named...

"you can't simply dismiss the bullshit that the left has been shoveling"

No, I don't try to dismiss it. I only say that just because it comes from my side of the fence doesn't mean that I necessarily agree and definitely doesn't mean that I am personally responsible for it.

"I'm guessing you didn't speak up"
I live in a very liberal city, and while I of course heard name calling and jokes, I never heard anyone call Republicans nazis or fascists. Conquerors, gun-lovers, war-lovers, yes ... the rest of it no. If I had, I would definitely speak up.

Rich seems to have a better grasp of this stuff than the rest of us. (sorry Jay, you're knowledgeable on many topics, but this one seems over your head too) Perhaps HE has a source or two to send us to?

OK, I did hear this one:

George Bush and Tony Blair are in a corner at a G-8 conference, laughing at a private joke. Condoleezza Rice comes up and asks what it was.

“We were just discussing World War III,” says Mr. Blair.

“It would kill a billion Muslims and one dentist,” says Mr. Bush.

“Why a dentist?” asks Ms. Rice.

“See,” says Mr. Bush to Mr. Blair, “I told you no one would care about the Muslims.”

Anonymous,

Are you sure you told that right?

NOBODY likes dentist's either.....

LOL

We all know man-made global warming is a hoax. Carbon offsets are a scam. Don't ever pay for carbon offsets:

http://www.freecarbonoffsets.com

Smile.

Anonymous......

I certainly would not call you a Nazi...nor would I infer that. When 'Nazi' was mentioned I simply pointed out the tendency of the Left to 'blindly follow in LOCKSTEP with their leader regardless of contradicting truth or any eventual destructive consequences', which was a simple individual characteristic of a Nazi progenitor. I was refering more to a characteristic than to a Nazi per se. I'm sorry. From now on I will refer to you as a lemming.

We learned from eight years of your side calling us Nazis, Larry.

Which is kind of funny considering the Nazis were leftist socialists.

Al Gore from the back of his gas guzzling 4 mpg limo or from his gulf stream jet of from his $30:000 electric bill home blabbers this and some jerk judges gave this green nut two undeserved awards THEY DESERVE TO BE SENT TO THE SPICEMINES OF KESSEL,ELBA II or THE DEVILS ASTEROID for life

come now, we've all read enough blogs and heard enough talk radio that we understand that everyone is a nazi. Can't we get beyond that now?

Anonymous.....and Brandon

Anonymous...Go to www.ac.wwu.edu/~dbunny/ for an erudite geologist/climate-change professor. He explains the cyclical nature of warming and cooling. They go in 30-40 year cycles and are greatly dependent on ocean temps. We started the last cooling trend about 1998 and it should last another 20 to 30 years.

Brandon...Are you sure you're not a Nazi?

http://www.energyfromthorium.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1625&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

And who says that the WWF etc don't fiddle their figures for their own political, warmist ends.

Not sure if this is mentioned but apparently in the original quote, Manbearpig actually says global warming is like fighting Nazis. (The Times later scrubbed this leaving only the reference to Winston Churchill.)

Remember that whenever a liberal brings up the word nazi, it's because they have nowhere else to go with their argument. How many times have I been having a "sprited debate" with a Liberal friend and they end the convo with "that's sounds like something a nazi would say."

Global-Warming = Nazi

This is just a last ditch effort to drum up the irrational, emotional reactions that liberals need in order to get permission from the American people to regulatre their lives. Once this hysteria is over they will find new hysteria. Remember in the old days it was all about the coming ice age...

Somewhere in TENNESEE a village is missing its idiot

JUMP, DICKHEAD

'blindly follow in LOCKSTEP with their leader regardless of contradicting truth or any eventual destructive consequences'

Sorta like blindly following a president into a war without good cause? Kinda like the hysteria used by an administration to justify its every move?

Nobody here is a nazi, so knock it off. I mean, unless you need to correct me? Are you for any kind of racial cleansing? Perhaps just a eugenics program?

Kinda like the hysteria used by an administration to justify its every move?

Yep, unlike the calm cool reason that allowed the stimulus bill to be debated (and even read - woohoo!) before passage, because most of its provisions wouldn't kick in for two years anyway.

No Dems urged that the bill had to be passed within the next ten minutes or the sky would fall. No sir.

And the war in Afghanistan and Iraq was most certainly necessary. Let's all hope the Messiah doesn't screw up George Bush's excellent work.

Anonymous....

Lighten up. Obviously no one here is a Nazi!
I was teasing Brandon--I think he knows that.

As far as you're concerned, you did it again. Gotta go back to Bush don't you? Always change the subject, always come back with a 'one-upsmanship' comment, change it to racial, et al! You're making my point by doing what every liberal seems to do. You're a smart man, but you just seem to keep falling IN STEP with the liberal talking points and predictable answers to EVERYTHING! You didn't touch the 'truth' or the 'consequences' part of my equation, you gave what the lemmings give--an emotional outburst instead of an intellectual answer. In other words, stop acting like a frickin' lemming.

Unsnarl your panties and check out the two
Climate sites I gave you previously. There's enough info--a primer course--to help make what I think is a more reasonable assessment of climate change. Somebody's right here and somebody's wrong. Figure it out.

"Gotta go back to Bush don't you?"

I don't care to return to a subject about Bush, thankfully there's nothing to say anymore. This is just pointing out that agreement with the current administration an A topic doesn't mean one is in lockstep with them. I'm just nudging you back. Goose/Gander?

I'm about to step into an online seminar keeping the skillset fresh. I haven't yet checked out your sites, but promise I will.

A viilage in TENNESEE is missing its local idiot