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I wonder if more US soldiers will follow Cooks example? One can only hope. You cant afford to recind deployment order for over half the US combat forces.

Its such a simple thing to put Obama original birth certificate up on the Whitehouse website for examination and allow experts to authenticate it down the type of paper and the footprints (mine from 1968 in PA has them). Unless of course Comrade Barrack has something to hide.

This case is very mysterious. At any rate, that is one hilarious picture. "Change" on the diapers, LOL.

I thought this matter was solved when I saw this copy of the birth certificate. Is there really more to this story?

Maybe we could ask this guy.

I think that it's pretty obvious that BHO is obfuscating something about his birth certificate. He and his cohorts have spent a lot of money keeping lots of information from the public.

So much for transparency from this administration.

"Change" on the diapers, LOL.

Posted by: Karin at July 16, 2009 7:14 AM

Wow, I didn't notice the "change" on the diapers. Guess I'm a typical guy, not noticing when the diapers need changing!

I admire Maj. Cook's courage in attempting to pry Hussein's BC into the public eye.
Maj. Cook is going to be crucified not only as a Reserve officer but as a US citizen as a message to any one else who thinks for a minute he/she can defy THE WON!

The Mutt has already planted a genuine BC in Hawaii and is waiting for this issue to become a real threat before he pops it and says 'See! There! I'm a fucken Hawaiian, what else do you want?' Case closed!

He just better have a backup plan if something is overlooked in the creation of the fake BC. Word to Rahm, don't create the fake using MS-Word or an Adobe product.

This just in!

Obama compelled the company Cook worked for to fire him!

Unity DOES equal the eradication of DISSENT!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Could there be any doubt the DemocRATS have pulled off one horrendous farce!! Including ACORN'ing him into office!! They've gotten away with this and Franken and they now think they are unstoppable. They're trying to disprove the adage "Cheaters Never Win".

Dang Anon, why didn't you just link us to HuffPo!? They're just as reliable about politics.

The snopes link does not exhibit the certificate of live birth, which documents the name of the doctor who delivered, and the hospital where it took place.

I have mine, don't we all have one?

So, where is BO's?

Change = totalitarianism.

Enemies of the state will be destroyed.

Of course his orders were rescinded. The Thugocracy needed to switch tack and punish him through the private sector. If Major Cook had been court marshaled, it would have forced a subpoena for the records in question.

Just need a few more brave soldiers to do the same thing, but it is possible they've now had the time to produce a passable forgery.

Ya know, I'm pretty critical of you guys on the grounds that this site does nothing but call Obama a Nazi/communist w/o any reasoned arguments (probably becasue the only historical era you know is WWII so you write what you know - but unfortunately, you don't really have that right either -oh well).

But NOW you're branching out! But unfortunately again, it's to already discredited conspriacy theories. Not that it would make you nutty or anything. How can anyone say that about you guys - what with all of the intellectual deconstruction that you painstakingly put into your "points"? It's not like you guys are the NAtional Enquirer of the blog world or anything like that.

I'd love to see you try and actually analyze ANYTHING at the policy level. That would be rich.

Did you guys ever think that maybe Obama actually IS a Nazi? I don't mean has all the same policies, like you guys contend. I mean MAYBE he was actually in the Third Reich, but he was really just a shape-shifting alien all along and NOW he's here to finally deliver the Earth to the Reptialians (i.e., Hitler) as was always promised!

You guys better get on that. I mean, you've never PERSONALLY seen hos birht certificate after all.

just to present an alternative point of view, I'm pretty certain conservatives are getting played on this one. The reason Obama's not releasing the paperwork is because he's getting huge PR benefit out of this ongoing insistent grousing from the right about the documents. The two happiest people in the world about this whole affair with the reserve Major: Obama and Axelrod.

Snopes is as reliable and unbiased as the New York Times or Dan Rather!

"Just need a few more brave soldiers to do the same thing, but it is possible they've now had the time to produce a passable forgery."

So a soldier refusing his orders is patriotic now? And brave?

You guys aren't patriotic to your country. YOu're patriotic to your polical movement, and that's seditious.

And you're nutty conspiracy theorists to boot.

Obama orders the reserve soldier fired from his civilian job
click myFIRE HIM!!!

A soldier refusing an ILLEGAL order is patriotic & brave.....

As far as BO being comparable to Hitler, there are too may parallels to dismiss.

The least of which, is now the destruction of challengers, private citizens who dissent can now have their livliehoods removed, as the gubment will coerce private business to assist in the eradication of dissenters.

Like Major Cook.

Where is the certificate of live birth? WHo was th doctor? Which hospital?

No one is interested?

The 'conpiracy theory' can easily be debunked, all that has to be produced is simple proof.

So... where is it?

"As far as BO being comparable to Hitler, there are too may parallels to dismiss."

absurd nonsense. I know we're to lazy in America to read those boring books and would rather leapfrog to the most sensationalistic claim possible.

But the fact is, you can cherry pick facts to make any 2 things look alike. What are the differences? What if I said that Bush's invasions of other countries, plus conflation of gov't and industry via TARP, plus secret surveillance = Hitler?

That would be stupid, but I can cherry pick with the bets of them.

LEt me be clear: anyone who says that Clinton, or Bush, or Reagan, or Obama are "like Hitler" is either an idiot, ignorant, or some combination of the two.

YOu should read about Nazi germany and what happened there. It's a real downer, but I hope you can handle it. I'll warn you though, it gets a little more horrific than socialized medicine, Jeff.

I could give the links myself to debunk this nonsense, but I'm going to let a lefty "moonbat" do it:

http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2009/06/my_latest_townhall_column_3_re.php

I see brs has read Alinsky's point about 'ridicule'. Unfortunately for him, so have we.

A soldier refusing an illegal order is patriotic. A soldier obeying an illegal order (like from a Pres'nent who refuses to prove his qualification for the office & therefore may not be so qualified) could get that soldier a gift pack consisting of a blindfold, a cigarette, and 5-7 rifle rounds. But then, dissent is only patriotic when traitors do it, right brs?

"You guys aren't patriotic to your country. YOu're patriotic to your polical movement, and that's seditious."

Took the words right out of my mouth, brs... since you're projecting like all good Obamabots.

The twists and turns your mind must go through to rationalize your worldview are really something to behold. Please, continue. I'd love to know what color the sky is in your world.

Incorrect.

Rises to power with the assistance of a sympathetic and agenda driven media.

Check.

Rewards dissent with personal destruction?

Check.

Considers a particular class of humans as not really people, allows and encourages their killing?

Check.

Is a socialist?

Check.

Supported by followers blinded by his charisma?

Check.

Knows how to deliver a good speech?

Check.

I have more, but I bet the effort would be wasted on your sort.

Unity = the eradication of dissent, comrades.

Thought crime will be punished swiftly and harshly.

Still waiting for the certificate of live birth...

Why not let us have a look at it?

Who was the doctor?

Where was the hospital?

And why is nearly all record of BO's past completely hidden and kept from examination?

No one has a problem with that?

"I see brs has read Alinsky's point about 'ridicule'. Unfortunately for him, so have we."

Never heard of him

brs... I see you're putting that welfare check to good use, having internet and all.

"Love the gub'mint."

Now please, find a rope and do what must be done so that we have one less parasite in the system sucking from the providers without remorse.

Ahh Hiram. Bringing the racism (Pres'nant?) AND the stupidity:

"But then, dissent is only patriotic when traitors do it, right brs?"

He's an enlisted man. It's not dissent when you're enlisted.

If you mean that your encouraging him to break his commitments is dissent, sure - it is. But it's indicative of where your loyalties lie, ipso facto.

ALL I hear from the right is how these wars w/ the Islamists must be won (it's like WWII, after all) at all costs.

Unless of course you don't like the party in power. Then it's all off - obeying military orders, backing the same (and even more belicose) policies, defeating our enemies - all off.

So, your version of America is one where your only American if you get the guys you want in charge. Otherwise, no one's bound by anything. YOu are against a pluralistic society and against democracy.

I.e., you love your party above your country. YOu're saying it on your own words Hiram. I'm simply telling you the unavoidable ramifications of your (et al.) words.

Sorry dude.

"The twists and turns your mind must go through to rationalize your worldview are really something to behold. Please, continue. I'd love to know what color the sky is in your world."

I love this from someone who's literally encouraging our military to abandon it's posts until a guy whom he likes is in charge. How American. Guy wants us to be some sort of banana republic with a de facto military coup, but I'm nuts.

Ya know Jeff, when they start packing people in cattle cars and poisening them en masse, I'll yield to your point. Unitl then, you're just a dumbfuck who never read a history book about the HORROS of Nazi Germany, and so feels compelled to turn policies that he don't understand (and which in many cases I disagree with) into Nazi Germany.

Obama's HITLER becasue he gives a good speech. And you mind fleshing out your BS w/ some concrete examples, Jeffy?

"Unity = the eradication of dissent, comrades.

Thought crime will be punished swiftly and harshly."

Who was eradicated, Jeffy? Come on, no more BS. Let's talk turkey. Who was "unished swiftly and harshly" for their thought crimes?

"Ahh Hiram. Bringing the racism (Pres'nant?) AND the stupidity:

"But then, dissent is only patriotic when traitors do it, right brs?"

He's an enlisted man. It's not dissent when you're enlisted."

Wrong, and wrong againg.

"Pres'ent" is a President without ID...

And he's a Major. Last I checked, a Major isn't an enlisted man.

And Jeffy:

Did you read the link I sent you from RWN's John Hawkins on the birth certificate?

"And he's a Major. Last I checked, a Major isn't an enlisted man."

Ignoring the substance for the technicality. Nice work.

He's in the military and he has to take orders.

Unless you subscribe to your version of America, which is to encourage civil unrest unless your guy gets to win - elections be damned..

Can I call BUsh Hitler for Medicare part B?

"until a guy whom he likes is in charge."

I didn't say that.

But I would encourage anyone to disobey illegal orders.

I didn't like Blowjob Bill, but he was QUALIFIED and we all know it. No problem there.

It's horribly ironic that you say "elections be damned" because, mark me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Obama ACORN'd in and they have been found guilty in multiple states for voter fraud?

We follow legal elections, not those that met conclusions through extremely illegal practices.

Eat your own words you ignorant prick.

Clinton's OK now becaue he's out of office, and we're talking about the current POTUS.

The courts have ruled re: the birth cert, but screw 'em, Hiram. Our military isn't bound by law, right? Not unless your guy's in.

I guess the rule of law is trumped by suspicion in YOUR America, so our miliatary should abandon it's post until we get someone else in charge. That sounds right, That's a recipe for a stable nation of laws. Good job Hiram.

Posted by: brs at July 16, 2009 8:00 AM
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I partially agree... they should be referring to Obama and the Democrats as fascists because there is private ownership that owns the government. There is growing control of the message in the media and academia. In socialism there is some personal freedom. Many, incapable of an original thought, are gladly giving up their freedom to be in the 'mainstream' of political thought so they can fit in at social gatherings. Things are so skewed to the left that the center is now referred to as right-wing extremists.

It has become so bad that those caught up in 'the way' now ridicule people who simply dare to think for themselves knowing they will be ridiculed by the idiot brigades for simply saying: "ok if the BC presented on Soros' fact checking page is real then what would be the problem with simply releasing the vault copy." Now if commonsense were still common then there should be no problem with releasing the copy in Hawaii. Why has that not been done if what the Obamaites claim is true? Any reasonable person should sense something is being witheld from public scrutiny.

Go ahead, call me crazy... if leftard thinking is now considered sane then I am indeed a nutjob.

The left fouls almost every issue the right has by categorizing it as either a nutty conspiracy (BO's BC), racism (disagreement with BO) or harmless (captured terrorists).

However, the issue with BO's BC hinges not so much with wanting to create a constitutional crisis by exposing a non-American birthplace (nothing would happen anyway- BO would certainly never resign) but rather the issue seems to me to me one of fairness.

McCain was born in Panama and was pressured by the House and the media to produce his BC.
He did so, and review shows the birth at a hospital at the Coco Solo submarine base in 1936 and also reveals the name of the U.S. Navy physician who signed McCain's BC.

Now there are parallels here: both men were born in American territory outside the continental U.S.; both were holding high political office at campaign time and both were under Constitutional obligation to provide proof of citizenship.

But only one was held to a meaningful standard of proof; which as I say, McCain met.

Now, it is in no way a matter of conspiracy to expect a sitting president to conform to his Constitutional obligation and what should appeal to anyone's sense of political fairness, to at the very least, halt legal activities to suppress what is due the citizenry.

But it is of course, too much to ask from BO and his imperial liberal protectors.

brs your doctor called and said to get back on your meds. By the way brainiac you completely fubarred WWII history in your post a couple of days ago. Your knowledge of WWII is about as complete as some college boy living at mommy's house and remember spelling is a virtue,use it wisely.

"Eat your own words you ignorant prick."

Where's the legal ruling? That the whole election is a fraud? There's problems found every year on both sides- but where has this election been nullified or called into question by the courts?

Again, in your guy's America, unproven suspicion is enough for the emilitary to abandon their posts, provided the POTUS is someone you don't like. I'm sure your system will work fine. We've always needed a politicized military where each member gets to make their own decision based on their suspicions. Thanks God you Patriots came along ot give us just that.

Ted: I'm nuts becasue I think the military should keep their posts and not turn on orders becasue of unproven poitical suspicions, Real crazy stuff here.

"Your knowledge of WWII is about as complete as some college boy living at mommy's house and remember spelling is a virtue,use it wisely."

I read it. It's BS becasue I never offered any critique of what FDR did well or not, never said he lived to the end of the war, etc. I simply pointed out the absurdity of calling FDR a thug while lauding HEnry Ford, and acknowledged NAzi. I guess the Nazis are OK in that context.

brs, do you spell much?

BRS links again:

http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2009/06/my_latest_townhall_column_3_re.php

What about this? Do we only deal with the evidence we like here?

"brs, do you spell much?"

The defeated always reach for the typo's first, don't they.

Do you have any, like, points?

Should have been typos!!!! I guess Obama does = Hitler!!!!

brs are you aware that Nazis in America were put into internment camps until 1948? Of course you don't because your knowledge of history comes from some dumbass America hating professor. By the way I think you are nuts to keep coming back for a whole lot of asswhipping time and again.You lose every debate and then screech like a little girl when you get bitch-slapped. Wuss.

Please, oh wise one, point out other BLATANT fraud that took place in past elections that are even close to the extent of the 2008 election...

Sound familiar?... "Lockbox" (good ol' Goretard).

Same shit happened with Franken, where they mysteriously kept finding more vote boxes in peoples' cars.

Convenient that Obama, Franken and Gore are all part of the libtard regime.

Also, remember how they nullified many many absentee ballots and, conveniently, a large sum of them were Republican votes?

You see what you want to see, regardless of truth.

Ted thinks that if someone doesn't write every single fact they know (in this case about WWII) in every post they make, they don't know those facts. In reality, he's a Cliff Claven that simple brings up disjointed non sequiter facts that everybody knows in the most pedantic manner possible.

And the guy who knows SO much about WWII thnks Obama's best historical analogy isn't FDR, but is Hitler, which disqualifies him from being in any intelligent discussion at all.

brs I was just asking a question.By reading your earlier posts I would say that you don't spell much.

Challenge the president? You're a thought criminal, comrade!

Your livelihood; the ability to support your family, will be destroyed.

Now the president can coerce private business to fire those who refuse to march lock-step with his agenda, or anyone who points out that the emperor is as naked as a jaybird.

This is how dictators, communists, socialists and marxists operate.

Thats in addition to dictating to private business ho much they can pay their employees. It's just the beggining (of the end).

What happened to "transparency"?

Why not show us the certificate of live birth?

Ted-

It's true that Germans and Italians were also interred in the US during WWII, but they were just a bunch of @*!?%^! White people, so who cares. Only the "Suffering" of the Japs is noteworthy. This is the kind of thinking we get from childish moonbats like bs, along with crap like "After the war, HUAC only went after alleged Communists".

brs there is Ted and Farmer Ted on here so be more specific. The point I'm making is that in your earlier posts on this thread you come off like some kind of WWII expert and when challenged on it you change the subject. That is the Cliff Claven syndrome,dingus.

And let me get this straight Ted et al.:

1.You guys are advocating the military leave their posts and leave the nation UNDEFENDED here and abroad until Obama can prove (again) that his birth certificate is valid.

2. YOu think Obama is involved in a Nazi plot to take over the USA.

And I lost the argument? How does that work again? How are you guys for democracy when you hold that position.

YOu're all for democracy - provided your guy wins. That's nice.

If he doesn't, we should have a military walkout (a coup of sorts) until every little piece of SUSPICION is gone (which of course will never happen with any POTUS becasue of crackpots like you conspiracy theorists). Very workable plan.

I mean Farmer Ted. And that internment has nothing to do with anything, but for what it's worth I did know about it.

Did you know that Stalin liked Fig Newtons? It's about as germane to this discussion of how Obama is like Hitler.

Jeffy, Jeffy, Jeffy:

1. I said CONCRETE examples of eradicated peoples ot people being punished for thier opinions. YOu came back w/ more BS becasue there are none, which means your point is wrong.

2. Did you read the link re: the birth cert that I provided?

Are there Jeff? Pick up the pace kid.

brs people in the military have the option to disobey orders if they find the orders unconscienable(sp). The major believes that obaba is not a citizen of the US and thus he (obaba) has no military authority over him. It's a valid point and until obaba produces an original bc then the major's argument is relative. If you can manage to induce your pot addled mind to think just a little who was the last President to have his citizenship questioned? You lose again.

And for what it's worth JEffy, I agree that Obama gas been woefully inadequate when it's come to transparency, be it of TARP (though the same can be said of Bush et al., but that's no excuse) or the daily goings-ons of the WH.

I acyually give him an F on civil liberties and Afganistan.

But you see, I can actually criticize w/o going off the deep end and saying he's Hitler. I'm especailly puzzled witht he finacial bailouts since that was began to the tune of almost $1 trillion by Bush.

Why isn't he a Nazi by these same standards?

Becasue you guys couldn't be fair minded if you tried. You're the kind of guys who who go to the zoo and eat the elephant's shit, then shoot the donkey. YOu're suplicants to a friggin political movement, and you'll take any position - no matter how outlandish - to support that movement.

brs the obababots just called and you will be remanded to a detetion center for your disparaging remarks about the beloved one. They will be at your mommy's door in 3..2..1..RING!!

It's not a valid point farmer ted becasue the COURTS (remember that law thing) have said it IS valid, so it is valid. His suspicion does not trump court rulings. If a court rules it invalid, he has a case and then he can not go.

I love you guys - pro-military pro-defense until you don't like the guy in charge. Then following orders is optional based on UNPROVEN SUSPICIIONS!!!

So as it turns out, defending the country against islamists isn't that important if the electorate choose someone you don't like. So patriotic.

Thats right, I would not be opposed to a military personnel strike, until it is proven that their CIC is not an impostor.

BO can clear things up easily enough... being "transparent" and all...

Show us the cert. of live birth.

How is that a problem, again?

I have mine, we all have ours, where is his?

Why all the concealment?

What is this fraud hiding?

Where are his academic records?

Is it because he int as bright as his devoted insist?

Or is it something else...

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Obama's 'birth hospital' in astonishing cover-up

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103633

None of us absolutely adored Bush. There are instances where people are allowed to disagree. Unfortunately, under the Obozo regime, this sort of dissent gets your livelihood crushed.

I, personally, did not 100% agree with Bush policies. Blindly following EVERY policy of a politician without knowing facts is just plain stupidity and ignorance.

But did I stand behind my country through the things that Bush did? Yes. Lest we forget, he was a proven American citizen and people make mistakes.

Isn't the definition of insanity "doing the same thing, expecting different results?" Libtard policies ALWAYS revolve around throwing more money at the problem which has failed time and time again yet they CONTINUE to increase spending.

I will show your president the exact same respect you showed mine, until he can prove his eligibility and his ability to successfully run a country (and NOT into the ground as he currently is doing).

brs you didn't address the point in my post. I would like to bitch slap you around a little more but it's back to work for me. Remember brs spelling is your friend.

The major believes Obama is not a citizen therefore he is not the President legally and by following his orders violates his oath as an officer. Conciensious Objector attacked by left when Pres has a D after his name, but he didn't desert like the those who ran to Canada before him but went through the courts, a right EVERY American has. What I find scary is that his orders were changed by DOD and then they order a private company to fire him! The power being exerted against ordinary Americans is like nothing I have seen in my lifetime. The heck with individual liberty. The DOD could have pursued action against this soldier LEGALLY through the military justice system or the civilian courts but chose not to why? Rights the left wants to extend to Gitmo detainess are denied this officer who questions the validity of Obama birth place. We all should be very very frightened.

What happened Jeffy? Couldn't find those examples? Awwwww - that's too bad.

I told Jeffy to pick up the pace. To wit:

"Thats right, I would not be opposed to a military personnel strike, until it is proven that their CIC is not an impostor."

So Jeff is for a military coup. Jeff in essence likes Osama better than Obama. I like that - openly against democracy, against the ruling of the courts (i.e., the law), etc. Jeffy thinks the military should strike based on suspicion, and that said suspicion renders Obama GUILTY unitl proven inncocent. I like that little touch.

So Jeff is for giving aid and comfort to our enemies based on any little piece of unproven suspicion he can think of (and he openly refused to read any evidence to the contrary - though I've given it to him). What do you call people who give aid and comfort to the enemy again? I forget....

"brs you didn't address the point in my post."

Which point?

Refusing to follow orders of a fraudulent CIC is not a coup, perhaps a refresher course in gub'ment 101 might be in order for you. Put down the crack pipe, pick up a book.

No one here is gullible enough to fall for the old, tired Alinsky rule #12. Its all the rage on DailyKOS, but no one here is stupid enough to fall for it.

Suspicion erased, when proof is presented.

Where is it, again?

Parting thought:

I love the irony. The same people who say that Obama is a totalitarian tyrant (but can't defend it), believe that there should be a military coup on shaky evidence when the guy they don't like (Obama) is elected.

Yet, it's lost on all......

Except Jeffy, THAT kid's going places!

The courts have seen it Jeffy. The COURTS!!!!!!!

Where are your examples again? What happened to that? Are you man enough to admit you were wrong, or are you gonna just duck it?

you can restate what people say all you like, the only one you fool are those of your sort, used to living in a fantasy world.

the courts have not seen it, no one has seen it, BO has spent a great deal of our money to keep it concealed.

so much for transparency, eh?

care to point out a court case where his cert. of live birth has been examined?

mccain was forced to show his.

where is BO's?

The true "long-form" birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii.

He has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.

Documentation also not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

Who is this guy, and who are the buffoon who fell for this fraud?

All that you ask for is referenced in that link by a hard right winger. If you refuse to read it, that's your bad. Courts accepted the cert and through out the challenge before the election. It's simply fact.

I agree on the transparency in general. But I think the court's dismissal decision - based on the analysis of several independent and right leaning groups is enough for me. But you refuse to read the link (which itself links to primary sources) so what can I do? This is the same as someone refusing duty becasue they "believe" (court rulings be damned) that the 2000 election was unfairly decided and Bush isn't the real POTUS. That would be BS and so is this.

I guess those examples of eradicated peoples and people put in jail for thier opinions by Obama aren't coming. What kind of man makes a point like that then simply refuses to back it up or at LEAST address it in some way? No man I know. YOU can be wrong - but to duck? Come on Jeff.

brs my point about disobeying an order that a soldier feels is unconscieneable. You need to pick up the pace,boy.

The long form was deemed uneccessary by a court, and the existing form was deemed legal, so the case got dismissed. Next.

If your boy Alan Keyes proves otherwise, then military members might have a point. I think he should be in jail unless and until that happens, becasue we are a nation of laws, even if you wish we were a right wing tyranny.

Let's face it Jeff. You don't love your country. YOu love the right wing movement. YOu'd rather see Osama march down Penn Ave than Obama, and that ought to bother you a little. It certainly bothers me.

Where are those examples again?

"brs my point about disobeying an order that a soldier feels is unconscieneable. You need to pick up the pace,boy."

So the merit doesn't matter? WHat if I thought Bush was an alien?

incorrect, the courts simply dismiss any challenges and calls for the longform bc.

these courts are also agenda driven, arent you aware of the trend towards activism from the bench?

being a liberal, you'd think you might be aware of what how your ilk skirt the will of the people.

fired from a private business, for opposing the president?

dissent eradicated, let major cook serve as an example to all who oppose BO.

fall in step, comrade. or else.

so, now.. how about that longform bc?

what hospital and name of physician?

you dont mind that some people are kinda curious, do you?

why does BO spend so much money to keep his longform hidden? the perkins cole law firm sound pretty pricey to me, after all, we're paying their fees, arent we?

shouldnt we have a right to wonder what they hide for BO?

I'm an ignorant prick. I ignore facts. I'm just another sheep in the crowd of stupidity.

How dare you use logic and facts to refute my idiotic attempts to degrade your intelligence!

Global warming will kill us all in months. Only by taxing you can we fix the problem. Dissention makes you a racist, country hater unless you dissent from conservative ideals. We like people who believe us because we prey on stupidity.

OR what if I thought the tactics for an individual battle were wrong, and that people would die uneccessarily as a result?

Or that my commander cheated on some requirement for his rank?

Or thought Clinton killed Vince Foster, and therefor was a criminal who ought to have been impeached?

Or thought Clinton should have been fully impeached for that hummer?

The reason doesn't matter at all?

And yes, that was me mocking your idiocy brs.

I think it was spot-on.

So the courts can't be trusted, ha Jeff? No laws. I love it.

And you still think you're not advocating a coup?

"dissent eradicated, let major cook serve as an example to all who oppose BO.

fall in step, comrade. or else."

I was trying to be nice before Jeff, but are mentally handicapped? Instead of giving me examples, you simply restate?

And if the conflation of gov't and business if your criteria, how do you view what happened before Bush left office? Why doesn't that count?

Maybe you are just slow, I'm sorry - I try not to pick on retards.

And to think, I thought you were just a traitor. My bad.

"I think it was spot-on."

That was super.

All hose years we had to listen to this un-patriotic rap, but it turns out you guys are for the military standing down unless you get your way. Unreal

And it MIGHT me OK if you could at least reason it out a little. Instead we get this retard babble Hitler conspiracy BS.

in spite of all the deflection, digression, and laughable personal attacks...

i still cant help but wonder where the longform b.c. is... and why great steps are taken to conceal it from the american people.

among so many other things hidden about the fraud in the oval office.

gosh, is it just me who wonders about these things?

if its not just me, and you wonder about it, too, join me in signing the petition:

PETITION FOR PUBLIC RELEASE OF
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550

you'll be doing BO a favour, seeing as how is very concerned about the appearance of transparency, right?

right.

Bush WAS an alien and he still commands a squadron of black helicopters that Cheney supplies him with,right brs?

Sigh... I guess I'll have to teach you sum'ting.

Military standing down for legal reasons, understandable.

You libtards and your hippy protests and denying the draft (and going to war for that matter) for, wait for it, feel good reasons. Stupid.

We are applying law and your ilk applied feel good ideas. You completely lost me.

Apparently you have no respect for the law.

You should jump off a bridge because I said so. I'm an authority and you have the burden of disproving me. How's it feel? I'm using your argument against you. The burden of proof is on you as it is "apparently" on us.

what hospital was BO born in?

who was the attending physician?

why doesnt he let us in on the big secret?

after all, i am certain he has nothing to hide...

its not like the hospital he was born in was located in kenya, or anything way out and wacky like that!

right?

ha ha.... um, yeah.

sure.

I almost forgot. brs the major falls under the military's law,it's different than civilian law. But you never know it could end up in the Supreme Court one of these days. Of course by then the damage will have already been done. Remeber brs keep repeating "spelling is my friend".

What say you comrade?

I checked out the link that brs keeps trotting out as supposed evidence that BHO has a valid BC. The guy makes 3 points.

1) Many people, including some experts, have claimed that the certificate of live birth released by the Obama campaign wasn't legitimate. In all fairness to them, it can be difficult to judge some of the features needed to determine the authenticity of a birth certificate over the Internet. However, the people at FactCheck.org have seen the certificate of live birth provided from the state of Hawaii to the Obama campaign and it is genuine.

FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

So again, despite claims to the contrary, Barack Obama did provide a genuine copy of his birth certificate to the public.

First off, what the BO campaign produced was a CERTIFICATION of live birth, which you could have gotten for your dog in 1961, not a CERTIFICATE of live birth.

Secondly, FactCheck.org does not work for me, for the Federal Government, and has no legal authority to 'verify' a legal document. Their opinion is about as good as your aforementioned dogs', in regards to a question of constitutional eligibility.

2) Although Hawaii "state law prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," the director of Hawaii's Department of Health has certified that Obama does have a legitimate birth certificate on file in Hawaii.

...which he has never stated, verbally or in writing, confirms BO's birth IN Hawaii. The HDOH only confirms that they have a certificate on file.

3) In a print copy of the 1961 Honolulu Advertiser, there's a notice that Barack Obama was born. In and of itself, this is a game, set, match conversation-ender on this subject unless people want to argue that this isn't genuine or that there was a conspiracy going all the way back to the day of Obama's birth to make him President.

...or unless you want to face reality. For about $25 I can have a birth announcement of Baby Boy Buttercup, born to Mr. N. Pelosi and Ms. A. Franken, placed in most major newspapers in the U.S.

Sorry about the wall of text, folks. It just irks me when people drop out a pile of B.S., and then grin like a toddler on the pot at how smart and great they are.

brs where is your rebuttal to hiram's post...crickets chirping. Remeber brs spelling is you friend. And if you could please answer my question about the last President whose citizenship was questioned.

great post, hiram.

but count on the acorn brownshirts to respond with deflection, attacks and other liberal nonsense.

we'll see more of this now that acorn received its payoff of millions, to fund online foot troops to ply their craft.

the facts regarding factcheck.org identify it as an obvious, biased, agenda driven outlet, a wolf in sheep's clothing.

only fools, moonbats and other gullible, unsuspecting dullards.

its our patriotic duty to respond, clarify and educate, wherever we can.

Some of you have gotten to the point that even if you witnessed his birth, you would call it a fraud. Dr. Fukino,Hawaii's Director of the Dept. of Health has verified the certificate, and the hospital Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children, Hawaii also verified his birth. Keep focusing on this, and the Democratic Party will focus on fixing the nation. Spend that WND money on stupid signs.

Say, speaking of witnesses of BO's birth:

"His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room."

If he came to the states, and did not go through immigration, not only is he not eligible to be the prez, but h would be an illegal alien as well!

Ha ha!, wouldnt that be great?

Jeffery, that story has more holes and contradictions in it than a GOP campaign. The issue here is that you guys went ballistic over the soldiers that did not want to deploy to Iraq under Bush because they felt it was an "illegal war", and now you act as if Cook is some sort of hero. It's laughable cause it's all you got, and it ain't much. Keep wasting time and money on this. And remember, just because you believe something does not make it fact. Facts are you friend.

The BC controversy could all be cleared up by locating either the attending physician or witch doctor...whichever one was there.

BTW from my earlier post,

'Now there are parallels here: both men were born in American territory outside the continental U.S.; both were holding high political office at campaign time and both were under Constitutional obligation to provide proof of citizenship.'

I forgot one:
Both were liberals.

The long form was deemed uneccessary by a court, and the existing form was deemed legal, so the case got dismissed. Next.

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So if a court will declare say that while murder of a human being is a criminal offence, blacks are not human beings and thus killing of a black guy is not a felony, will you be on top your lungs to declare we should just follow what court said? Obama should release his long form birth certificate, irrespective of what your activist judges say.

The courts are also on board the agenda train, activist judges would love nothing more than keeping BO in office. He'll guarantee plenty of job security and give activist judges a pass, just for starters.

What hospital was BO born in? Who was the doctor?

The real birth certificate will have this information.

Why all the trouble and expense to keep it hidden?

Hmmmm?

BRS - "The long form was deemed uneccessary by a court, and the existing form was deemed legal, so the case got dismissed. Next."

Just where exactly is this mysterious court case you say held this? Citation or link to the memorandum opinion or regional reporter please, if you have any proof. We not dumb enough around here to take any secondhand hearsay from factcheck, snopes or some blogger's word on this or that they touched the birth certificate and it's real. Any sworn statements from government officials to back it up?

I for one want have enough that I disagree with Obama on his politics to not need to raise this as an issue, but Obama keeps making it an issue because, like Kerry, he fights and fights, and his defenders fight and fight, to keep it all under wraps, when no reasonable public figure with nothing to hide would do so. Ergo, my suspicion is raised.

What bothers people is that it is cold hard fact that the last two Democrap presidential candidates have fought hard to prevent disclosure of records that could embarass them, or in Obama's case, completely disqualify him from the presidency. Kerry and Obama both obviously have a lot to hide because any reasonable and honest public figure would have not have spent the hundreds of thousands if not $ millions to keep these records under wraps. That is why normal people who are not trying to protect him question him and call for the records. I would feel the very same way about any personal records that the Bushes of Reagan would have tried to conceal.

But instead of honest inquiry, what we get from Kerry's and Obama's defenders and the leftist press are demonizing the people who just want the records disclosed as Swiftboaters, in Kerry's case, and birthers, in the case of honest folk who want to see the long-form certificate of live birth, if one exists, for Obama, showing the hospital, doctor, etc. where he was supposedly born.

Now Obama could make this issue go away tomorrow if he would get the long-form certified copy of the birth certificate and provide it to Fox News.

Kerry has produced some by not all of his military records. And please trolls, don't give us the Cool-Aid crap that Kerry has already released his military records. In fact, Kerry has disclosed only a selected portion of his records. Specifically, Senator Kerry has not disclosed the records leading to the award of the three purple hearts, the Silver Star and the Bronze Star. There are also missing performance evaluations (called “Fitness Reports”) for certain periods of his service as a Navy officer. Many have called upon Kerry to authorize the complete release of his military records by filing a simple two-page Form 180, http://www.swiftvets.com/staticpages/index.php?page=Form180, which to this day the old lech refuses to do. Why? Many suspect those records would reflect that he falsified his way into getting the medals, or worse, as many suspect, that Pres. James Earl Carter intervened in what should have been Kerry's dishonorable discharge for collaborating with the North Vietnamese while still active in the military at the end of the war. In any event, he's got the same transparency problem as Obama. If there is nothing to hide, why not just sign the the two page form and turn over the records so they can be scrutinized?

ZMarshall,

Well said. I might add that suspicions should be heightened about the 'BC' issue simply because liberals lie as frequently as they open their mouths.
And as the liar-in-chief, BO has left a slime trail of deception.

(BTW the silent interval from the trolls schilling for BO in response to your post, is the time they are taking to fabricate the usual cheap rhetorical parallels).

Seems to me that all the suits I have seen have been "dismissed" on terms like "insufficient standing" to place the charge. What bothers me is that any citizen under the Constitution should have sufficient standing to file such a charge, simply UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, being as there's a question as to whether something that's explicitly written into the Constitution is being obeyed and all.

One more thing...what's with this "Certification of Birth" instead of the original birth certificate?

That's fine ordinarily, but when did we start having such low standards for a president?
His 'BC' only goes back to 1961 and ostensibly issued and archived in a state.
There is simply no way that the original couldn't be produced.

I wouldn't bet a doughnut hole that a "Certification of Birth" would have sufficed for McCain when he was pressured by the House and media to produce a BC going back to 1936 issued on a military base in Panama.


I adhere to no conspiracy theories and am usually skeptical that the sun will rise tomorrow, but there's clearly something going on in this case.

Mr. Evilwrench,

that's the beauty of this Cook firing. Standing requires injury of some kind. Cook has been injured by being fired from his job. If he brings suit against the company he was working for (which would I think, be justified), Cook would therefore have standing. I think he could then supoena the original BC.

If this is correct (and I don't know...I'm not trained in law) then BO's Brownshirts may have stepped in it.

Cook's attorney has a good argument for standing. See my comments under the more recent "Reservist Fired for Pressing Obama Birth Certificate Issue" post.

Fiberal, Simtech is under contract from the DOD, and according to their rules,because of his actions he is no longer able to perform his job. If they were not contracted by the DOD his employment would have remained in tact. This was an issue that Ms. Taitz either overlooked or ignored. The DOD's policy is reasonable. If a reserve soldier is under contract aside from his duty and refuses deployment, he should not be allowed on DOD property in the name of national security.

What's your overall point Anonymouse? Taitz's argument on standing has nothing to do with DOD's retaliatory firing of Cook. The legal issue is squarely ,despite the rescension of Cook's particular deployment orders, whether an order to a reserve officer to be deployed in active duty by someone who may not be constitutionally qualified to be POTUS is an issue that is capable of repititon, yet evading review - which it certainly is. Thus, Cook has standing to pursue his legal case.

because of his actions he is no longer able to perform his job
Anon,
This is what he should contest in court. That is not a given simply bc a company has "rules".
A company's made-up "rules" are contested in court all the time...ask any number of wealthy, retired recipients of affirmative action.

The larger legal question may be one of federal immunity against lawsuits to begin with. I'm sure the DOD didn't move on this without massive legal consultation.

Over my head here, but I wonder also whether total immunity remains intact when challenging orders under an illegal usurper of the presidency.

(I think I'm starting to see why BO is spending so much money to hide documents)

If the DOD tells a contractor that their employee is no longer welcome on their grounds, he is therefore no longer to perform the job he was hired to do. This is DOD policy. If he wants to take issue with Simtech, I am sure he can. However, their explanation will likely be similar to mine.

Loosely put, he was essentially terminated by the DOD.

He may well take issue with Simtech, but that is besides the point that you apparently cannot address. Who gives a flip about a discharge suit against Simtech. Cook is taking issue, and is well-grounded legally, with Obama refusing to produce a long-form certificate of live birth, that should look exactly like the first one shown here:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103810
Anonymous, what precisely is your justification that Obama should not have to show an authentic, certified copy of this little one page record from the Hawaiian bureau of vital statistics? If you have to show a certified death certificate to transfer accounts from a decedent, and certified birth certificate to get a passport, name one reason why can't Dear Leader show this to his adoring public?

Zm, the fact that it has been verified. As I stated earlier, many of you could have witnessed his birth and still call it fraud. You guys ought to think about cleaning up your own party before fighting this losing battle. I also wonder how his fellow soldiers feel knowing that Cook is unwilling to deploy with them to war? He would rather avoid duty, which he volunteered for, and pursue a losing battle. Real stand up guy!

What libs deem losing battles usually means that someone has hit a nerve. I personally believe Cook has a right to know whether the commander-in-chief is constitutionally capable of assuming his position and is a "naturally born citizen" of the US. You claim the fact that it has been "verified" - and I'm calling you to state in what manner? Can you be the slightest bit intellectualy honest for one instant Anonymous? The only thing produced by Obama's underlings is the Certification of Birth, not a certified copy of a Certificate of Birth - long form, which is certification of the original record, reflecting the hospital, doctor, etc. of any birth that actually occurred on Hawaiian soil. Compounding matters, Hawaii happens to have an unusual statute 338, left over from its territorial days, that allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to obtain a certificate of birth, and they can be obtained based on a statement of one relative only without any corroborating evidence from the hospital; that “late birth certificates” (i.e. non-contemporaneously, post-facto, in two words “potentially fabricated”) certifications.
All this uproar is because Barack Hussein Obama’s original birth certificate, like the one we would be entitled to get for ourselves at our local bureau of vital statistics, has never provided by the state of Hawaii or Obama. Hawaii has only provided an unsworn statement that there is an original “long birth certificate” document on file. The statement repeatedly provided by Hawaiian officials is quite simply incomplete, evasive, and without explanation of critical details: namely, whether what they are referring to is a foreign birth certification or one obtained based on a statement of one relative only, or a late certification or amended one, obtained upon adoption by his stepfather Sotero. The Certification of Live Birth posted by Mr. Obama and Daily Kos on the Internet is not the long form, has been shown by many to have been photoshopped, and cannot be treated as genuine without examining a certified copy of the original long form, if one exists on file with the Health department of the State of Hawaii. It's the same level of competent proof you would require in a court of law. Why is that so hard for liberals to comprehend? Talk about intentionally putting blinders on? What's there to hide -- if he's really a natural born citizen why aren't you for clearing the air once and for all?

Cook should be sent to Afghanistan immediately as a PVT E-1 and upon arrival, handed to the Taliban in exchange for the real American soldier they are holding and threatening to murder. At the very least, Cook might be able to atone for his scurrilous conduct because he has willfully compromised his citizenship, personal integrity, and oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.
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And he oughta take his ding bat lawyer with him because she's a professional loser at this particular game. Maybe she'll find more favor with the Taliban than she has so far with any US court, particularly the Supreme Court. A dentist practicing law with a computer-generated degree. Ain't America great?
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Even CG SOUTHCOM has stated he doesn't want this piece of fecal matter serving in his command area because he cannot be trusted and he is unfit for service. And the govt pulled his security clearance for the same reason, no less than they did for Jonathan Pollard.
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Whatta loser. Just like Ollie North, a convicted criminal.

Yeah, that a better idea than expecting BO to release his longform b.c.

Oppose the state?

You'll be fed to the lions.

Hopey Changey, y'all!

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

If you can't believe the facts in hand, then just keep denying that we landed on the moon as well. Clearly that's where you're at.

Anonymous - "If you can't believe the facts in hand, then just keep denying that we landed on the moon as well. Clearly that's where you're at."

I don't think you read too well. We've already covered this but, I'll do it again. Your link to the The Certification of Live Birth posted by Mr. Obama and Daily Kos on the Internet is not the long form, has been shown by many to have been photoshopped, and cannot be treated as genuine without examining a certified copy of the original long form. Why do you want to continually change the subject and why do you object to production of a certified copy of the long form birth certificate for Obama? Why? What does he have to hide? What do you want to hide? Is he not man enough to show proof of his citizenship? Why must you people operate in the shadows? Why must you change the subject whenever this is raised? Why must this long form avoid the light of day and exposure to the public? Inquiring minds want to know? Do you have the answers.

And, yes, I don't deny we've been to the moon. Bats like you are proof positive we've been there and returned with specimens of unintelligent life we found there.

"and cannot be treated as genuine without examining a certified copy of the original long form."

So you'll need to hold it in your own expert hands before you believe? I doubt even then would it do anything for you.

"Why must you change the subject whenever this is raised?"

How is providing a link to a copy of the certificate "changing the subject" ?

"I don't deny we've been to the moon."

But you don't fully believe it either.

When Army Reserve major Stefan Frederick Cook refused a deployment to Afghanistan on the grounds that he would not be privy to Geneva Convention protections if he let someone who is not qualified to serve as president send him into combat in a foreign land, instead of the court martial you might expect, Cook recently had his "Deployment Orders Mysteriously Rescinded"! Why is it that we hear nothing of this through the normal media channels?

With an unprecedented maneuver, and the willing support of the media ("INCLUDING FOX NEWS") they just kicked the entire issue aside, expecting it to fade away into nothingness. Just as they did when the issue was first touched upon, and again when Obama's "Bogus" birth certificate was posted on the web. Since then, whenever challenged by the issue; Obama would (And does.) simply claim that the issue has already been addressed and will not be revisited.
That's It!
So here we are again folks, and again "Nothing" from the media.
Refusal to obey a direct order, would ordinarily result in a nice little stretch at Levenworth. Yet rather than face the substance of the refusal (A legal and moral imperative on this brave soldiers part.) and enforce the chain of command. They chose to simply drop the issue and rescind the orders. Smart, or foolish? Could it be that they simply "can't" prove legitimacy by natural born citizenship?


Is this Proof Positive that an illegitimate "Foreigner" resides in the White House"?

Should every military serviceman who is to be deployed overseas now make the same challenge? Could they consider their orders to deploy as invalid as their commander in chief, and flatly refuse to go?
It would be a "Glorious Challenge" wouldn't it? Wouldn't it be wonderful to see the "American People" rally behind them in unprecedented numbers thus forcing the resignation of our corrupt officials. This is what Washington truly fears, and this is why (With the willing help of the media.) they will try to just silently kick the entire issue to the curb.

Due to the fact that our military is "Largely Conservative", the Obama administration considers our servicemen as potential terrorists. It is quite likely that he sees them as a threat to his goals of securing, administering and maintaining his ultimate power through a civilian military force. (Who in his words:will be as well funded, well trained and well armed as our country's military armed forces.)

Our trained "Largely Conservative" military (If based here at home.) would never stand for the forced domination of their own wives, parents and children by Obama's minion military. Nay, I believe they would defend our citizenry against any and "ALL FOES"! Foreign and "DOMESTIC"!

Although it was often said "Never Again", and "Never on American Soil", Obama's plans appear to parallel those of other maniacal dictators of the past. Stalin, Mussolini, Hitlers Brown shirts, the SS, Saddam's special guard, etc..

I believe this is why Obama has backed away from ending the Iraq conflict too soon. Further it is why he will "Always" have our fighting forces deployed off our shores.
In fact, as he continues to implement his maniacal plans, he will deploy more and more of our troops "OFF" of "OUR" shores to reduce any threat to his domination.


WAKE UP AMERICA!!

EVIL HAS COME TO OUR LAND!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qMr-HC39ig&feature=related

"that the issue has already been addressed and will not be revisited." That's right. Just because you call it 'bogus' doesn't make it so. Experts have seen, held and verified the thing. A scanned copy is available all over the internet for all to see. I'm not sure what else you want. Can you tell us what would satisfy you?

"It would be a "Glorious Challenge" wouldn't it?"
YOU think it would be great, we're all hearing that. But some people know to keep their duty, their promise. I find you as disgusting as this Cook fellow for thinking it would be great to back out on a promise of duty. Your words disgust me. You think it would be "glorious" for people to shirk their duty. Yeah, you are a true patriot, wanting people to back out on their word and forsake their duty.

"bama's plans appear to parallel those of other maniacal dictators" sooo soo stupid. You don't even try to back this up. Your video is total crazy conspiratorial crap.

If there's evil to be found here, you are it.